[QUOTE=Baller234;15045163]Curry has won without KD though.[/QUOTE]
Not in the 2010's, which is what I was talking about. KD in the 10's decade is arguably more impressive than Curry in the 10's.
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[QUOTE=Baller234;15045163]Curry has won without KD though.[/QUOTE]
Not in the 2010's, which is what I was talking about. KD in the 10's decade is arguably more impressive than Curry in the 10's.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15045195]Not in the 2010's, which is what I was talking about. KD in the 10's decade is arguably more impressive than Curry in the 10's.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter what year Curry won because in doing so he proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was the MVP of the equation and not Durant.
Durant didn't win until he played with Curry. Curry won before Durant and he won after Durant.
Case closed.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15045207]It doesn't matter what year Curry won because in doing so he proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was the MVP of the equation and not Durant.
Durant didn't win until he played with Curry. Curry won before Durant and he won after Durant.
Case closed.[/QUOTE]
What your posting about is irrelevant to the discussion that was going on...
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15045227]What your posting about is irrelevant to the discussion that was going on...[/QUOTE]
Well you're trying to make the case that Durant was more "impressive" than Curry over the span of a decade.
But how can that be if the only time he ever won was when he played with Curry? Before that he was getting BEAT by Curry. And before THAT he was getting beat by Lebron.
Curry won a championship before Durant even got there. Winning again AFTER Durant leaves only further emphasizes that he was the key ingredient on that Warriors team and not Durant. So how can you say Durant's decade was more impressive when he wasn't even the best player on his own championship teams?
And before you even throw finals mvp in my face... Cedric Maxwell, Joe Dumars, Tony Parker, Jaylen Brown... have finals mvps. Doesn't mean they were the best or most valuable player on the team. History has shown that Curry was the key ingredient and not KD.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15045230]Well you're trying to make the case that Durant was more "impressive" than Curry over the span of a decade.
But how can that be if the only time he ever won was when he played with Curry? Before that he was getting BEAT by Curry. And before THAT he was getting beat by Lebron.
Curry won a championship before Durant even got there. Winning again AFTER Durant leaves only further emphasizes that he was the key ingredient on that Warriors team and not Durant. So how can you say Durant's decade was more impressive when he wasn't even the best player on his own championship teams?
And before you even throw finals mvp in my face... Cedric Maxwell, Joe Dumars, Tony Parker, Jaylen Brown... have finals mvps. Doesn't mean they were the best or most valuable player on the team. [B]History has shown that Curry was the key ingredient and not KD.[/B][/QUOTE]
Is it not possible for both of them to have been the key ingredients?
Maybe Curry was like..5% more valuable for the team at the time but KD was a completely dominant force and a top 3 player in the league. And without him I'm not sure they win either of those titles. I'd actually bet pretty heavily against it.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15045230]Well you're trying to make the case that Durant was more "impressive" than Curry over the span of a decade.
But how can that be if the only time he ever won was when he played with Curry? Before that he was getting BEAT by Curry. And before THAT he was getting beat by Lebron.
Curry won a championship before Durant even got there. Winning again AFTER Durant leaves only further emphasizes that he was the key ingredient on that Warriors team and not Durant. So how can you say Durant's decade was more impressive when he wasn't even the best player on his own championship teams?
And before you even throw finals mvp in my face... Cedric Maxwell, Joe Dumars, Tony Parker, Jaylen Brown... have finals mvps. Doesn't mean they were the best or most valuable player on the team. History has shown that Curry was the key ingredient and not KD.[/QUOTE]
This is so dumb. Those players you listed as FMVP weren't even CLOSE to what Durant was doing in the 17/18 finals. Durant clearly was better in the finals and could go toe-to-toe with Lebron, unlike Curry.
Also, Curry only won in 2015 because Love and Kyrie got hurt. I'm CERTAIN that if Durant had a similar setup in 2012 (where Wade and Bosh were injured), then Durant would've won a ring then, well before Curry's rise.
Curry vs KD is interesting. In 2017 and 2018, I believe the Warriors record with Steph/without KD was much better than with KD/without Steph. That makes sense because the team was structured around Currys strengths and how everyone benefited from his off-ball gravity. Remove Steph and its more of an iso-centric 'give it to KD and let him get buckets' style which doesnt open up the floor as much for the other players. Its clear that as great as the Warriors were in the regular season in 2016, come playoffs they were more susceptible and KD is what ultimately made them unbeatable. Any breakdown in the offense and he was the ultimate' get me a bucket' player at that point. Its entirely possible that the Cavs win in 2017 without KD there to neutralize Lebron.
To me they're in the same tier of greatness as far as rankings, whichever you prefer. For me the 2022 title tips Curry in combination with what Durant hasn't done post- Warriors.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15044340]I was just meeting him halfway.[/QUOTE]
:whatever:
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15045258]:whatever:[/QUOTE]
Wow we’re at the point where you just follow me around and do this? :lol
Dweeb.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15045244]Is it not possible for both of them to have been the key ingredients?
Maybe Curry was like..5% more valuable for the team at the time but KD was a completely dominant force and a top 3 player in the league. And without him I'm not sure they win either of those titles. I'd actually bet pretty heavily against it.[/QUOTE]
They went 73-9 the year before and forced the finals to 7 games, but you wouldn't give them a chance to win again? Huh? Obviously we don't have a crystal ball but common sense dictates they would have still been in the hunt. Not sure how you could bet "heavily" against it. Vegas probably still has them as the favorites headed into the following year.
And yes I agree that KD was dominant but it's hard to say he was the key ingredient when the team won before him and won without him. KD was just a cheat code that transformed an already great team to an even better one. But I can't picture that same team winning without Curry.
I agree with Phoenix. It's close but I think you have to go with Curry.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15045261]They went 73-9 the year before and forced the finals to 7 games, but you wouldn't give them a chance to win again? Huh? [/QUOTE]
Reread what I said.
I did not say they wouldn't have a chance. I said I'm not sure they win either title, and likely wouldn't be favored. Particularly in 2017 because I think the Cavs were better that year than in '16, and they'd already come off of a win and had a clear mental advantage. KD changed all of that.
When you make a Pizza there are several key ingredients. You could argue Curry was the dough and you wouldn't be wrong but that doesn't really matter without the sauce and cheese, which was KD.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15045262]Reread what I said.
I did not say they wouldn't have a chance. I said I'm not sure they win either title, and likely wouldn't be favored. Particularly in 2017 because I think the Cavs were better that year than in '16, and they'd already come off of a win and had a clear mental advantage. KD changed all of that.
When you make a Pizza there are several key ingredients. You could argue Curry was the dough and you wouldn't be wrong but that doesn't really matter without the sauce and cheese, which was KD.[/QUOTE]
But you could make a pizza with all sorts of sauces and cheeses. If you plug almost any star player into that same situation, the Warriors probably still win. Curry can co-exist with any type of player.
I'm not sure KD could have won with just any other star player in Curry's place.
You can make any type of pizza you want but you need the dough.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15045260]Wow we’re at the point where you just follow me around and do this? :lol
Dweeb.[/QUOTE]
Follow you around?? Talk out of your ass much?
Link em' up, pu$$y so we can see all these alleged posts that you're claiming I've made "following you around."
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15045458]Follow you around?? Talk out of your ass much?
Link em' up, pu$$y so we can see all these alleged posts that you're claiming I've made "following you around."[/QUOTE]
Shawk???
It’s just started :lol