Ben Wallace and Joakim Noah separated in locker room...at half time

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]I'm not taking a side yet, because I don't know what exactly Noah said. I am inclined to agree with Noah's sentiments, but he's going to have a hard time establishing himself as a leader on a team with so many players that are more experienced than him (at the NBA level). Which is why I think he should be traded, because I don't think Chi is going to blow up the roster to get a group of guys that would follow his lead; he's not a valuable enough type of player for them to do that, even if it may just be the right thing to do. I just hope that this experience doesn't damage Noah's attitude, because there are a lot of teams out there that want guys that are focused on winning. I bet the Cs would love him.[/QUOTE]

That would be interesting. He seems like a tornado ripping through a lockerroom. He inspires some to play better, but he rubs the vets the wrong way. His arrogance and disrespect makes me concerned he'd polarize any locker room with such a distinct mix of veterans and youth. Remember, it was the Bulls players that extended his suspension. But hey, if you want him on the C's I'd entirely support that. I'm hoping my team can get past Boston in the playoffs...

On the other hand, winning usually takes away much of the locker room drama...

[QUOTE=Trancey]
How much can Bulls save if they cut "Wallets" contract?
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nothing. this isnt the nba. well, they took a risk picking him up knowing he was limited and long in the tooth, but they thought it would help dismantle the pistons as well. too bad he tarnished his excellent workingmans career with this stint

[QUOTE=Da KO King]Anyone that doesn't back Jo Noah on this one is clueless.

When your team is down you don't laugh on the bench, period.[/QUOTE]
I dont think the issue was really the laughing on the bench. more likely, noah's track record of tardiness and coach fighting leaves him little room to criticize other players, esp as a rookie. cmon now, its not like hes been the answer in the middle for them, hell aaron grey has played better than him at times.

[QUOTE=Patrick27]That would be interesting. He seems like a tornado ripping through a lockerroom. He inspires some to play better, but he rubs the vets the wrong way. His arrogance and disrespect makes me concerned he'd polarize any locker room with such a distinct mix of veterans and youth. Remember, it was the Bulls players that extended his suspension. But hey, if you want him on the C's I'd entirely support that. I'm hoping my team can get past Boston in the playoffs...

On the other hand, winning usually takes away much of the locker room drama...[/QUOTE]
The thing is, if he had any sense he'd see that players on Garnett and Pierce don't need to be told to care about winning. I'd bank on him being smart enough to see that much. If he did, he'd be another passionate rebounder and defender, lesser version of Garnett to bolster the bench, and maybe even start if the opposition featured no bruisers.

Noah is a stud for pulling cards on his own team.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]The thing is, if he had any sense he'd see that players on Garnett and Pierce don't need to be told to care about winning. I'd bank on him being smart enough to see that much. If he did, he'd be another passionate rebounder and defender, lesser version of Garnett to bolster the bench, and maybe even start if the opposition featured no bruisers.[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely right - the energy he brings could make the Celtics downright terrifying (if they aren't already). You're a Boston fan, and it sounds like you'd take the risk. If I were in your shoes, I'm not sure I'd want to tinker considering the success so far this season. To each his own, I suppose.

Whose minutes would he take? Send away Perkins or Baby? or just spot minutes that Pollard now plays? Personally, I see Noah as a spark player, and if he can bring the energy for 5-6 minutes, once per half, that's enough for me. That is, as long as he's not becoming a locker room problem while doing so...

I'd see him as a part-time starting center, taking almost all of Pollard's minutes, a little of Perk's pt and making Scalibrine disappear. Davis may just be the player traded to get him, but if he isn't I could see them both playing in spurts. Maybe stop playing the small line-up that has Posey at pf entirely.

Spurs should make a move at it to get Noah

So there was a thread the other day on ISH where Noah was suspended and one of the posters put a bet down to say that Ben Wallace was the ring leader behind the suspension of Noah, I'd say he'd be pretty close to the mark.

Ben Wallace has been the worst thing that has happened to the Chicago franchise. He's getting to the point of being a moody *****. It wouldn't surprise me if the guy also undermined skiles and had a word in the ear of Gordon and Deng regarding their contracts.

[QUOTE=kumquat]So there was a thread the other day on ISH where Noah was suspended and one of the posters put a bet down to say that Ben Wallace was the ring leader behind the suspension of Noah, I'd say he'd be pretty close to the mark.

Ben Wallace has been the worst thing that has happened to the Chicago franchise. He's getting to the point of being a moody *****. It wouldn't surprise me if the guy also undermined skiles and had a word in the ear of Gordon and Deng regarding their contracts.[/QUOTE]
the media reports I saw had quotes from adrian griffen. Sounds like he is the vocal veteran in the lockerroom. Wallace is reserved (mostly) and mopey

[QUOTE=hwliuLAP]Spurs should make a move at it to get Noah[/QUOTE]

Heh, yeah. I'd love to see Noah try to tell Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili how to behave on the bench...

Better yet, send him to Utah. I want to see him and Sloan throw down. I'd take Sloan in 4 rounds.

No, wait! Send him to Sacramento and introduce him to Artest!

[QUOTE=Patrick27]Heh, yeah. I'd love to see Noah try to tell Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili how to behave on the bench...

Better yet, send him to Utah. I want to see him and Sloan throw down. I'd take Sloan in 4 rounds.

No, wait! Send him to Sacramento and introduce him to Artest![/QUOTE]

Those guys wouldn't force Noah to speak up in the lockerroom, dip****.

Use your head before you post.

[QUOTE=i seen hippos]Those guys wouldn't force Noah to speak up in the lockerroom, dip****.

Use your head before you post.[/QUOTE]

Nobody *forces* Noah to speak up - it's just his personality. At least that's what I've observed. His whole persona and game is based around his energy and abrasiveness. From day one he hasn't acted like a prototypical rookie, and he's turned his whole team against him in Chicago.

Was the dip**** comment really necessary? :confusedshrug:

ok for the record I'd just like to say BEN WALLACE SUCKS!! look at his guy's friggin numbers 4pts 7reb 1ast per game??? are you kidding me!!!! why is he a frachise player????? how could you possibly like Ben Wallace after the 04 season? yeah he used to be alright for like 1 season and even then he was a 1 demensional player that could'nt score. good for Noah for actually showing some heart homie needs to bounce from that **** team

[QUOTE=SHEED_ gangsta]ok for the record I'd just like to say BEN WALLACE SUCKS!! look at his guy's friggin numbers 4pts 7reb 1ast per game??? are you kidding me!!!! why is he a frachise player????? how could you possibly like Ben Wallace after the 04 season? yeah he used to be alright for like 1 season and even then he was a 1 demensional player that could'nt score. good for Noah for actually showing some heart homie needs to bounce from that **** team[/QUOTE]

I have a hard time believing Ben Wallace is the only one disturbed by Noah's outbursts. He's yelled at the coach, complained about teammates, and called his team out in the media after playing his first NBA game. He hasn't played half a season yet! If I were a GM, that's more than a red flag to me, that's a red bombardment of flags...

EDIT: Oh, thanks for reminding me about the constant tardiness too. I'd forgotten.