A Rookie 1984 Michael Jordan or a Current Kobe Bryant?

[QUOTE=VCMVP1551]Kobe didn't play team basketball until the second half of 2000-2001(it's no coincidence the Lakers didn't play championship level basketball until the second half). For a big chunk of the 2000-2001 season Kobe was jacking up shots trying to be the first option which is probably why they went 11-3 when Kobe was out of the lineup.

So don't act like Kobe wasn't playing freely and he was playing perfect team basketball that entire season. That's why Shaq made that quote about how if the big dog wasn't him the house wouldn't get guarded.

Anyway as for the OP current Kobe is clearly better than rookie Jordan but I think Jordan from his 3rd season until 1998 was much better than Kobe ever was.[/QUOTE]

Ya...his numbers were EVEN BETTER for the first half or so of the season before he started deferring. ISHiot.

[QUOTE=eliteballer]Ya...his numbers were EVEN BETTER for the first half or so of the season before he started deferring. ISHiot.[/QUOTE]

But the W-L record wasn't you f*cking moron. What good is better numbers if the W-L record is worse? He should have been a deferring the whole time considering Shaq was the teams clear best player. It's no coincidence that the teams winning % was better without Kobe(.786) than with Kobe(.662)

current bryant is easily better than '85 jordan, as was '07 bryant, '06 bryant, '04 bryant, '03 bryant, '02 bryant, '01 bryant, and '00 bryant.

peak bryant ('03) wasn't better than '88 jordan, '89 jordan, '90 jordan, '91 jordan, '92 jordan, '93 jordan, '96 jordan, or '97 jordan.

[QUOTE=gencbiba]Kobe over that young Jordan simply because he was too selfish in his earlier age. Not to say he wasn't selfish in his old age, but he did sort of get better. Kobe really has evolved the past 3 years.[/QUOTE]

This is great comedy.

[QUOTE=eliteballer]Ya...his numbers were EVEN BETTER for the first half or so of the season before he started deferring. ISHiot.[/QUOTE]
good job skipping my post.Ohh well i still proved MJ rookie season was just has good has this kobe season.

[QUOTE=gencbiba]Kobe over that young Jordan simply because he was too selfish in his earlier age. Not to say he wasn't selfish in his old age, but he did sort of get better. Kobe really has evolved the past 3 years.[/QUOTE]



Wow..

It amazes just how [B]UNINFORMED[/B] U kobe homers [B]REALLY[/B] are when it comes to making these ABSURD comparisons to MJ. Half of U guys didn't even see MJ before the 1st titles & the other half of U guys, [B]BARELY[/B] saw him from 1996-98..and those [B]WEREN'T[/B] even his [B]PRIME[/B] years!

It's the [B]SAME[/B] 'ol story with U guys..Y'all try & rank & compare them based on your [B]UNINFORMED[/B] opinions, rather than what they've actually [B]DONE[/B] on the floor..

MJ's [B]"ROOKIE"[/B] season he had an [B]NBA Efficiency Rating (PER)[/B] of [B]29.24[/B], & [B]13.2[/B] [I][U]player wins[/U][/I]. He also [B]IMPROVED[/B] them by 10 wins & took 'em to the Playoffs, a place they hadn't [B]SEEN[/B] since 1981..

Kobe's 2006-07 season, he had an [B]NBA Efficiency Rating (PER)[/B] of [B]27.65[/B] and [B]11.2[/B] [I][U]player wins[/U][/I].

Well homers, how do U explain that? And U claim kobe's better?

[B]THAT'S A JOKE!![/B]

In the seasons [B]BEFORE[/B] Pippen & Co., he had a [I][U]combined[/U][/I] average of [B]33ppg 5apg 6rpg 2.74spg 1.26bpg 49 FG%.[/B]

Show me [U][B]ANY[/B][/U] season from kobe with better [B][U]OVERALL[/U][/B] Production than that?

MJ is the [B]ONLY[/B] player in [B]HISTORY[/B] to lead his team in [I][B]scoring, rebounding, assists & steals[/B][/I]..(4 out of 5 categories) & he did this as a [B]ROOKIE!![/B] Dr. J did it in the ABA, but never in the NBA. MJ was 4 blocks away from repeating this feat in 1989.

Ever see kobe do anything [B]REMOTELY[/B] close to that? Hell no & if U claim he has, you're a liar & the truth aint in ya..

And U got the [B]NERVE[/B] to call MJ [I]"selfish"[/I]? Are U serious?

Kobe has [B][I][U]53 games[/U][/I][/B] to date, with [B]NO ASSISTS![/B] MJ has only [B][I]"6" in 14 years of play[/I][/B], with the [B]1st[/B] game like occuring in 1997..that's [B]13 STRAIGHT years with at least "1" assist![/B]

What's kobe's excuse?

U kobe homers need to stop deluding yourselves & get real. Get off your false paradise of eden that's perched on the banks of [B][I]'Denial'[/I][/B] & snap back into reality..

[QUOTE=StoneCold]Wow..

It amazes just how [B]UNINFORMED[/B] U kobe homers [B]REALLY[/B] are when it comes to making these ABSURD comparisons to MJ. Half of U guys didn't even see MJ before the 1st titles & the other half of U guys, [B]BARELY[/B] saw him from 1996-98..and those [B]WEREN'T[/B] even his [B]PRIME[/B] years!

It's the [B]SAME[/B] 'ol story with U guys..Y'all try & rank & compare them based on your [B]UNINFORMED[/B] opinions, rather than what they've actually [B]DONE[/B] on the floor..

MJ's [B]"ROOKIE"[/B] season he had an [B]NBA Efficiency Rating (PER)[/B] of [B]29.24[/B], & [B]13.2[/B] [I][U]player wins[/U][/I]. He also [B]IMPROVED[/B] them by 10 wins & took 'em to the Playoffs, a place they hadn't [B]SEEN[/B] since 1981..

Kobe's 2006-07 season, he had an [B]NBA Efficiency Rating (PER)[/B] of [B]27.65[/B] and [B]11.2[/B] [I][U]player wins[/U][/I].

Well homers, how do U explain that? And U claim kobe's better?

[B]THAT'S A JOKE!![/B]

In the seasons [B]BEFORE[/B] Pippen & Co., he had a combined average of [B]33ppg 5apg 6rpg 2.74spg 1.26bpg 49 FG%.[/B]

Show me [U][B]ANY[/B][/U] season from kobe with better [B][U]OVERALL[/U][/B] Production than that?

MJ is the [B]ONLY[/B] player in [B]HISTORY[/B] to lead his team in [I][B]scoring, rebounding, assists & steals[/B][/I]..(4 out of 5 categories) & he did this as a [B]ROOKIE!![/B] Dr. J did it in the ABA, but never in the NBA. MJ was 4 blocks away from repeating this feat in 1989.

Ever see kobe do anything [B]REMOTELY[/B] close to that? Hell no & if U claim he has, you're a liar & the truth aint in ya..

And U got the [B]NERVE[/B] to call MJ [I]"selfish"[/I]? Are U serious?

Kobe has [B][I][U]53 games[/U][/I][/B] to date, with [B]NO ASSISTS![/B] MJ has only [B][I]"6" in 14 years of play[/I][/B], with the [B]1st[/B] game like occuring in 1997..that's [B]13 STRAIGHT years with at least "1" assist![/B]

What's kobe's excuse?

U kobe homers need to stop deluding yourselves & get real. Get off your false paradise of eden that's perched on the banks of [B][I]'Denial'[/I][/B] & snap back into reality..[/QUOTE]

Hahaha, you're popping veins out there! :oldlol:
Grow up, we're not discussing the value of the human life. We're talking f*cking basketball.

Oh, and btw, not having assists doesn't mean one wasn't passing, it just means the player did not have a pass from which the receiver scored. Just that, nothing more and nothing less. That's why in my opinion, the assist, as a standalone stat, is very very overrated.

[QUOTE=StoneCold]Wow..

It amazes just how [B]UNINFORMED[/B] U kobe homers [B]REALLY[/B] are when it comes to making these ABSURD comparisons to MJ. Half of U guys didn't even see MJ before the 1st titles & the other half of U guys, [B]BARELY[/B] saw him from 1996-98..and those [B]WEREN'T[/B] even his [B]PRIME[/B] years!

It's the [B]SAME[/B] 'ol story with U guys..Y'all try & rank & compare them based on your [B]UNINFORMED[/B] opinions, rather than what they've actually [B]DONE[/B] on the floor..

MJ's [B]"ROOKIE"[/B] season he had an [B]NBA Efficiency Rating (PER)[/B] of [B]29.24[/B], & [B]13.2[/B] [I][U]player wins[/U][/I]. He also [B]IMPROVED[/B] them by 10 wins & took 'em to the Playoffs, a place they hadn't [B]SEEN[/B] since 1981..

Kobe's 2006-07 season, he had an [B]NBA Efficiency Rating (PER)[/B] of [B]27.65[/B] and [B]11.2[/B] [I][U]player wins[/U][/I].

Well homers, how do U explain that? And U claim kobe's better?

[B]THAT'S A JOKE!![/B]

In the seasons [B]BEFORE[/B] Pippen & Co., he had a combined average of [B]33ppg 5apg 6rpg 2.74spg 1.26bpg 49 FG%.[/B]

Show me [U][B]ANY[/B][/U] season from kobe with better [B][U]OVERALL[/U][/B] Production than that?

MJ is the [B]ONLY[/B] player in [B]HISTORY[/B] to lead his team in [I][B]scoring, rebounding, assists & steals[/B][/I]..(4 out of 5 categories) & he did this as a [B]ROOKIE!![/B] Dr. J did it in the ABA, but never in the NBA. MJ was 4 blocks away from repeating this feat in 1989.

Ever see kobe do anything [B]REMOTELY[/B] close to that? Hell no & if U claim he has, you're a liar & the truth aint in ya..

And U got the [B]NERVE[/B] to call MJ [I]"selfish"[/I]? Are U serious?

Kobe has [B][I][U]53 games[/U][/I][/B] to date, with [B]NO ASSISTS![/B] MJ has only [B][I]"6" in 14 years of play[/I][/B], with the [B]1st[/B] game like occuring in 1997..that's [B]13 STRAIGHT years with at least "1" assist![/B]

What's kobe's excuse?

U kobe homers need to stop deluding yourselves & get real. Get off your false paradise of eden that's perched on the banks of [B][I]'Denial'[/I][/B] & snap back into reality..[/QUOTE]

Aren't you the clown who was exposed for plagiarizing from another site? :lol

Kobe's best & true shooting % for a season, from a [B][I]EFG% standpoint[/I][/B], was last year at [I][B].580%.[/B][/I]

MJ had [B]6[/B] seasons [B][I]BETTER[/I][/B] than that, one of which included..U guessed it, his [B][I][U]ROOKIE YEAR[/U][/I][/B], that topped out at a jaw dropping [B][I].614%!![/I][/B]

It's pointless kobe homers, he's not comparable or better than MJ.

That [B][I][U]FACTS[/U][/I][/B] will [B]ALWAYS[/B] prove U guys wrong in this comparison...

its really funny to see how petty the kobe fans get when someone posts a whole bunch of facts that show mj's superiority. rather than adress the facts they try to take the piss and discredit the guy who has done nothing more than post simple facts.

[QUOTE=Poseidon]Aren't you the clown who was exposed for plagiarizing from another site? :lol[/QUOTE]

No, Those [B][I][U]ARE[/U][/I][/B] my Posts...

[I]How can I plagiarize myself?[/I]

As I stated the last time U tried to say that, take a look at my bio on YouTube.. ([url]www.youtube.com/user/blackadam06[/url])

I [B][I][U]AM[/U][/I][/B] [I][B]StoneCold[/B][/I]..[I][B]Blackadam06 & RealFan357..[/B][/I]

If you'd bothered to pay attention, You'd notice I [B][I]CLEARLY[/I][/B] state my other Aliases on my page...

I don't believe anyone was truly degrading Jordan's superiority. I think it's just that many MJ (and Kobe) groupies and ******gers debate Jordan and Kobe like it's life and death! That is what pisses me off, really. It's definitely not worth a fight, and not worth raising your blood pressure.

[QUOTE=ukplayer4]its really funny to see how petty the kobe fans get when someone posts a whole bunch of facts that show mj's superiority. rather than adress the facts they try to take the piss and discredit the guy who has done nothing more than post simple facts.[/QUOTE]

Exactly..

This is what U tend to get from them regarding this topic:

[B]A) when confronted with the [U]FACTS[/U], they just [U]KEEP[/U] denying them, as if that "CHANGES" 'em.
B) They try & justify their opinions [U]"WITH"[/U] opinions.
C) Lash out in petulant temper tantrums when they can't refute the opposing argument.
D) Insist the [U]FACTS[/U] don't really mean what they say
E) Rank kobe & MJ based on their opinions, rather than what they've ACTUALLY Done & CONSISTENTLY DO/DID
F) Insist the other guy is "Hating" for stating [U]FACTS[/U][/B]

I see it [B][I][U]ALL THE TIME[/U][/I][/B] from them.

I love to discuss a wide range of sports topic on spots such as this one, but talkin' hoops with them is next to impossible.

There's simply [B]TOO MANY[/B] young & uninformed kobe fans who no next to nothing about NBA history & players prior to the 2000 season & the Lakers. If U leave it to them to tell it, he's the Greatest at [B]EVERYTHING[/B] & when U ask them to explain, they offer up a bunch of [B]opinions, if's & coulda-shoulda-wouldas..[/B]

Confront them with [B]FACTS[/B] & watch the fireworks commence. LOL!! Then whatever U guys were discussing regarding him, becomes [B]"overrated"[/B] & not important, but he was the [I]"best"[/I] at it prior to them getting blindsided by the [B]FACTS[/B] of the matter..

It's the reason they're without a doubt, the most [I][B]DESPISED[/B][/I] group of fans on any sports board, blog, etc..U can visit on the internet..

Michael Jordan will always be better than Kobe Bryant.

/end Thread

As much as I love Michael Jordan and absolutely like a religion believe MJ in his prime and his career is always better than Kobe Bryants prime or career, in this specific case how can you choose a rookie Michael Jordan.

There are simply too many intangibles in this league that you can only learn with experience. As an offensive and athletic freak Michael Jordan as a rookie is better because he will always be better in this category in retrospect of his entire career. But when you just look at his rookie season, the experience of Kobe Bryant, knowing how to best use his teammates to the best outcome, and the fact that he is in the prime of his career, is simply the better choice if I was to choose between the two to lead my team for "said" year.

However, since I am fairly new, let me make it perfectly clear that Michael Jordan is, will, and forever will be the best player to ever play the game on all levels both on and off the court. I would trade all my monetary money (well maybe thats a stretch) just to see his prime play again in this current crybaby, flopping, weak call league and prove all nay-sayers wrong who say that he wouldn dominate just as he did in the late 80's and 90's.

... sorry got a lil carried away there. I usually do when talking about MJ.