He basically did the same thing to LeBron, except he caught LeBron in the face.
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He basically did the same thing to LeBron, except he caught LeBron in the face.
[QUOTE=Kobe24]You guys are seriously stupid as hell. Initially, Bynum wanted to block the shot or strip the ball. Wallace ELEVATED which Bynum didn't know that he was going to do that and it struck Wallace in the rib area. Bynum wasn't even looking at G-wall's rib area. Bynum just stuck his arm out. Suspension worthy? Not at all.[/QUOTE]
The only thing I agree with is that Bynum does not deserve to be suspended. The only reason I think the league should let this one go is because Bynum did not go anywhere near Gerald's head, which is what players are taught to do. Foul below the head. This was just a hard foul that turned into a very bad situation.
Leading with elbow on top of not playing the ball one bit should be on grounds for a suspension to be, at the least, considered. Should be upgraded to a flagrant two as well, if he isn't suspended.
[QUOTE=Kobe24]Internet friends? How pathetic and sad are you?[/QUOTE]
Coming from someone that has almost 9,000 posts.
Hurts me a little bit.
Lets hope next time Raja Bell clotheslines Bryant again.
Damn, that sucks.
Hope he is OK.
[QUOTE=aznboy2k2]Coming from someone that has almost 9,000 posts.
Hurts me a little bit.
Lets hope next time Raja Bell clotheslines Bryant again.[/QUOTE]
Look you idiot, there's a difference those two fouls.
If player A is frustrated and takes his anger out on player B that's a dirty foul.
If player A gives a hard foul and player B lands awkwardly that's a flagrant foul but not a dirty foul.
dangggg. wallace is one of my all time favorite players. how long will it take him to recover from this, anyone know? =/
edit: to someone who said he was brittle: i don't think it's that, i think it's cuz gforce is so daring when it comes to driving in the paint for some nasty dunks or doing anything he can to block a man's shot.
Hahaha, the Bobcats beat the Lakers AGAIN? Yeah, Championship contenders my ass.
Anyways, Bynum didn't intend to injure, but he did use his elbow to stop a drive. The stupidity of doing that to a guy in mid-air means that he should and will be suspended, just like Al Horford was suspended for hitting TJ Ford in midair. The NBA needs to do it, to protect star players more than anything.
If your stupidity causes players to be injured, you need to be suspended so that next time you'll remember "Oh yeah, I can't use my elbow to stop a drive to the basket."
And Gerald needs to start being a little more careful. A collapsed lung isn't as bad as it sounds, but his career could be in jeopardy if he isn't a little more careful. People said it was a football play, but G-Wallace plays the game like it's football, and that's a big part of why he gets injured.
Lakers fans, you really come across as losers. Bynum needs to be suspended and you know it.
[QUOTE=Kobe24]Cheap shot? That was great defense. He put out a hard foul. It wasn't flagrant worthy either. Ball doesn't lie.[/QUOTE]
Wow, I hope the next time you play in a pick up game someone does that cheap shot to you. Doing a cheap shot like that when a guy is in the air can be career threatening. I hope someone breaks Bynum's neck the next game.
[QUOTE=A.M.G.]Hahaha, the Bobcats beat the Lakers AGAIN? Yeah, Championship contenders my ass.
Anyways, Bynum didn't intend to injure, but he did use his elbow to stop a drive. The stupidity of doing that to a guy in mid-air means that he should and will be suspended, just like Al Horford was suspended for hitting TJ Ford in midair. The NBA needs to do it, to protect star players more than anything.
If your stupidity causes players to be injured, you need to be suspended so that next time you'll remember "Oh yeah, I can't use my elbow to stop a drive to the basket."
And Gerald needs to start being a little more careful. A collapsed lung isn't as bad as it sounds, but his career could be in jeopardy if he isn't a little more careful. People said it was a football play, but G-Wallace plays the game like it's football, and that's a big part of why he gets injured.
Lakers fans, you really come across as losers. Bynum needs to be suspended and you know it.[/QUOTE]
also, don't forget the part where he steps on Wallace's foot
[QUOTE=qrich]Leading with elbow on top of not playing the ball one bit should be on grounds for a suspension to be, at the least, considered. Should be upgraded to a flagrant two as well, if he isn't suspended.[/QUOTE]
if this happened to someone on Dallas, the dude would be suspended like 20 games.
[QUOTE=StephenDedalus]if this happened to someone on Dallas, the dude would be suspended like 20 games.[/QUOTE]
If Kobe or LeBron had been the player injured this would be an automatic suspension regardless if the player was worthy of getting suspended. Sad really, lol.
[QUOTE=andrewbynum 31]Look you idiot, there's a difference those two fouls.
If player A is frustrated and takes his anger out on player B that's a dirty foul.
If player A gives a hard foul and player B lands awkwardly that's a flagrant foul but not a dirty foul.[/QUOTE]
Youre the ****ing moron.
I wasn't even comparing the two fouls.
I just WANT Bell to own Kobe again. And have no one back him up.
Watching you Laker fans cry wolf last time was priceless.
Wallace has a collapse lung and a broken ribs, yet you ****heads show no sympathy. Some even blamed Wallace for being in the position he was in.
[QUOTE=StephenDedalus]also, don't forget the part where he steps on Wallace's foot[/QUOTE]
I watched again and holy ****, he did step on Wallace's foot. AND drove his elbow into Wallace as he did it. That could really change things, he did that to stop G-Wallace going up, that HAS to be a suspension if the league catches it. Now I'm starting to think it wasn't just stupidity or a freak accident, that was [U][B]dirty[/B][/U]. And Bynum was watching him the whole play, it's not like he was surprised, he knew what he was doing.
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Freeze it at 0.28. He drove his elbow right in there.
Well now I hope Bynum gets injured again.
[QUOTE=EricGordon23]Just another reason for me to hate Bynum. Besides the fans that overrate him.[/QUOTE]
i used to like him last year when he played with effort on both ends of the court now hes just a little *****
[QUOTE=andrewbynum 31]If Kobe or LeBron had been the player injured this would be an automatic suspension regardless if the player was worthy of getting suspended. Sad really, lol.[/QUOTE]
Just a dirty play.
One, he steps on the guys foot while he's about to elevate and could have broken Wallace's ankle right there
Two, he elbows the guy in the ribs
Three, he basically throws him on the ground midair.
Perhaps if he wrapped Wallace up it would've been acceptable, but the entire act was dirty and pretty disgusting and an insult to the game.
I wonder if all the guys here supporting Bynum (and saying this was normal in the 80s, even though back then barely anyone could jump like Wallace) have ever played competitive basketball and know the incredible risk to the injured player of a dirty act like this.
[QUOTE=A.M.G.]I watched again and holy ****, [B]he did step on Wallace's foot.[/B] AND drove his elbow into Wallace as he did it. That could really change things, he did that to stop G-Wallace going up, that HAS to be a suspension if the league catches it. Now I'm starting to think it wasn't just stupidity or a freak accident, that was [U][B]dirty[/B][/U]. And Bynum was watching him the whole play, it's not like he was surprised, he knew what he was doing.
Well now I hope Bynum gets injured again.[/QUOTE]
yeah he's taking a page from the Isaiah Thomas book of 'how to get even when you aren't good enough to play like a real man' basketball.
Hopefully some one pulls a karl malone to isaiah elbow to the head on Bynum
lol !!!!
kids today don't know the difference between a "hard foul" and being "dirty".
[QUOTE=StephenDedalus]yeah he's taking a page from the Isaiah Thomas book of 'how to get even when you aren't good enough to play like a real man' basketball.
Hopefully some one pulls a karl malone to isaiah elbow to the head on Bynum[/QUOTE]
hopefully someone pulls bynum's d!ck out of ur mouth.
[QUOTE=bleedinpurpleTwo]lol !!!!
kids today don't know the difference between a "hard foul" and being "dirty".[/QUOTE]
Man come on, don't be a loser. A hard foul is when you hack a guy on the wrist, or just go for the ball strong enough that the other guy can't score. You still have to go for the ball.
What Bynum did was clearly a flagrant foul because there was no attempt on the ball. It's that simple. The fact that it was a hard body check where he put his elbow into the guys ribs makes it a flagrant 2.
Was it dirty? What was going through Bynum's dull mind? Did he have the intention to step on Wallace's foot, making this 10X worse than it would have been? I doubt it. Was he thinking "I'm going to injure this guy right here"? Most likely not. So I'll give him that, he shouldn't be suspended more than 1 or 2 games.
If someone body checks Kobe next time he drives to the basket, you better not say it was dirty. That's all I'm saying.
if Dirk got suspended for trying to push Harpring off his back after several hacks and accidentally hitting his face then AB should lose at least one game too.
of course my fantasy team cries out NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
The line starts hear for the whining when Bynym gets suspended. The first two spots in line are reserved for Kobe24 and Lakers_Kobe_Fan.
[QUOTE=A.M.G.]Man come on, don't be a loser. A hard foul is when you hack a guy on the wrist, or just go for the ball strong enough that the other guy can't score. You still have to go for the ball.
What Bynum did was clearly a flagrant foul because there was no attempt on the ball. It's that simple. The fact that it was a hard body check where he put his elbow into the guys ribs makes it a flagrant 2.
Was it dirty? What was going through Bynum's dull mind? Did he have the intention to step on Wallace's foot, making this 10X worse than it would have been? I doubt it. Was he thinking "I'm going to injure this guy right here"? Most likely not. So I'll give him that, he shouldn't be suspended more than 1 or 2 games.
If someone body checks Kobe next time he drives to the basket, you better not say it was dirty. That's all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]
Don't be a puss. A foul is when you hack a guy, as you say, or go for the ball strong enuf that he can't score (as you say). That's just a foul, imo.
A HARD foul sends a guy to the floor and probably warrants a flagrant.
A dirty foul is something like sliding your foot underneath the jump shooter (Bowen), a deliberate clothesline (Bell), etc etc
Bynum laid him out and got what he deserved...a flagrant.
Sorry to disappoint everyone but the league is not going to suspend Bynum for that flagrant foul, they can't be that soft :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Allstar24]Sorry to disappoint everyone but the league is not going to suspend Bynum for that flagrant foul, they can't be that soft :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Man I really hope someone does this to you in your next pick up game and then you can come back and tell us if it's a nice, clean, hard foul.
Throwing you elbow into someones chest area with force is not a hard foul. It is straight up malicious...
[QUOTE=aznboy2k2]Youre the ****ing moron.
I wasn't even comparing the two fouls.
I just WANT Bell to own Kobe again. And have no one back him up.
Watching you Laker fans cry wolf last time was priceless.
Wallace has a collapse lung and a broken ribs, yet you ****heads show no sympathy. Some even blamed Wallace for being in the position he was in.[/QUOTE]
Stop putting every Laker fan in the same ****ing category. You people never learn.
I showed sympathy for Gerald. I feel just as bad as the next guy. But people act like Bynum intentionally hurt him and that's not true. Bynum has no history of playing dirty, so you should give him the benefit of the doubt.
Grow up.
Lol at all these laker's fans defending Andy " I've had a nice week let the dick riding begin" Bynum. How was that not a bad foul? Dude wasn't even going for the ball, Wasn't even LOOKING towards the ball. But it's not like Bynum was trying to hurt the guy...
Has there been one poster who WASN'T a Lakers fan that didn't think that was a flagrant?
[QUOTE=andrewbynum 31]Stop putting every Laker fan in the same ****ing category. You people never learn.
I showed sympathy for Gerald. I feel just as bad as the next guy. But people act like Bynum intentionally hurt him and that's not true. [B][U]Bynum has no history of playing dirty[/U][/B], so you should give him the benefit of the doubt.
Grow up.[/QUOTE]
Pulled Greg Odens ankle.
Clothslined LeBron.
Decked Gerald.
If Bynum wasn't a Laker fan people wouldn't be *****ing about how dirty of a player he is. He fouled Gerald Wallace hard, and unforunately Gerald was injured. It's not like he pushed him in mid-air and then laughed as Gerald lay on the floor injured. As a Laker fan I agree that it was a flagrant foul, but saying he intentionally fouled him, hoping to injure him, and then stepping on him is total BS.
[QUOTE=Godfather]Pulled Greg Odens ankle.
Clothslined LeBron.
Decked Gerald.[/QUOTE]
Actually if you blame anyone on the Lakers for Greg Oden's injury it would be Derek Fisher. But you're right, I'm sure Bynum intentionally pulled Greg's ankle hoping to injure him.:oldlol:
He didn't clothesline LeBron. If you want to ***** about LeBron getting fouled, why don't you watch last year's playoffs and you can see Haywood throw him on his ass.
He did foul Gerald, hard. Bad foul, flagrant foul, we all move on. It's amazing how people come up with this kind of stuff because they're determined to hate either a certain player or a team. Would you be commenting if Bynum was a Houston Rocket or Cavalier?
As I posted earlier, Bynum did not play the ball, not the slightest bit, lead with his elbow, and from the replays, seems like he also did step on Wallace's shoe. If it doesn't result in a suspension, I will be somewhat surprised as I believe it does warrant one. Now, was it intentional? We will never know, regardless, it was an extremely careless and stupid play on the part of Bynum.
[QUOTE=Kobe24]Bynum wanted his team to win and he sent a message that the paint is his on both sides of the court. Not his fault G-Wall tried some stupidity.[/QUOTE]
Go jack off to a picture of Kobe you POS
[QUOTE=Bobcat4Ever]Go jack off to a picture of Kobe you POS[/QUOTE]
This really has nothing to do with anything, but did you support the Hornets before they moved from Charlotte or did you start watching the Bobcats when they became a franchise?
[QUOTE=andrewbynum 31]Actually if you blame anyone on the Lakers for Greg Oden's injury it would be Derek Fisher. But you're right, I'm sure Bynum intentionally pulled Greg's ankle hoping to injure him.:oldlol:
He didn't clothesline LeBron. If you want to ***** about LeBron getting fouled, why don't you watch last year's playoffs and you can see Haywood throw him on his ass.
He did foul Gerald, hard. Bad foul, flagrant foul, we all move on. It's amazing how people come up with this kind of stuff because they're determined to hate either a certain player or a team. Would you be commenting if Bynum was a Houston Rocket or Cavalier?[/QUOTE]
I am not talking about that play I am talking about the play he pulled at Oden's leg sending him to the ground.
Guess what happened to Haywood after he did that? And besides just because another player does it doesn't mean it is clean.
You obviously have not moved on if you are trolling this thread trying to defend him.
Andrew Bynum threw his elbow into a player with the ball no where near the area he launched at. The player was knocked hard onto the ground and could possibly have a collapsed lung. Grow up and stop demeaning Gerald Wallace by pulling up these Bull **** stories.
/end argument.
[QUOTE=bleedinpurpleTwo]Don't be a puss. A foul is when you hack a guy, as you say, or go for the ball strong enuf that he can't score (as you say). That's just a foul, imo.
A HARD foul sends a guy to the floor and probably warrants a flagrant.
A dirty foul is something like sliding your foot underneath the jump shooter (Bowen), a deliberate clothesline (Bell), etc etc
Bynum laid him out and got what he deserved...a flagrant.[/QUOTE]
There are personal fouls (like standard blocking fouls, reach ins, charges).
Then there are hard personal fouls, such as hard hacks across the wrist, wrapping a guy up, or yes knocking a guy to the ground.
But you have to be going for the ball when you knock him down, you can't just body check him or crack him in the head. It's not hockey or football, they don't have padding or helmets so if that **** happens to players on a nightly basis, there is going to be a lot more injuries and shorter careers. That's not good for business.
Which brings us to flagrant fouls, which is usually a hard foul where there is no attempt on the ball, such as knocking a guy on his ass without going for the ball, or where the attempt on the ball was clearly just a pretense to go for the head, etc, etc. It becomes a flagrant two (and an automatic suspension) when it was clearly just an assault (punching, kicking, kneeing, or elbowing deliberately) such as Bowen kicking Chris Paul while he was down last season. Or when there are two flagrant ones, obviously.
And then dirty stuff is where you intend to injure a guy. For example, undercutting maliciously (Bowen), drop kicking a guy in the face as you close out on him (Bowen again), pushing a guy hard while he's in the air, grabbing a guys leg while he's in the air, anything where it's obvious that you're just trying to put the guy out of the game.
With Bynum, I strongly doubt he deliberately stepped on GW's foot (which is what turned that from a bruised ribcage to a collapsed lung), so it wasn't dirty. But it was clearly a flagrant 2 because he elbowed him deliberately with no attempt on the ball.
So, in summary, dirty = no, flagrant 2 = yes. Tell me seriously that if Okafor had done the same thing to Kobe, (foot stepped on, body check with elbow to the ribs, collapsed lung for Kobe) that wouldn't have been ruled a flagrant 2, and you wouldn't be saying it was dirty. Don't be a hypocrite.
[QUOTE=andrewbynum 31]This really has nothing to do with anything, but did you support the Hornets before they moved from Charlotte or did you start watching the Bobcats when they became a franchise?[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the forum.....if you intelligent conversations go to the lakers forum....
here all these mo fo'ers will keep arguing no matter what you say.....
[QUOTE=Godfather]I am not talking about that play I am talking about the play he pulled at Oden's leg sending him to the ground.
Guess what happened to Haywood after he did that? And besides just because another player does it doesn't mean it is clean.
You obviously have not moved on if you are trolling this thread trying to defend him.
Andrew Bynum threw his elbow into a player with the ball no where near the area he launched at. The player was knocked hard onto the ground and could possibly have a collapsed lung. Grow up and stop demeaning Gerald Wallace by pulling up these Bull **** stories.
/end argument.[/QUOTE]
I figured you might be a decent poster but I guess I was wrong. I could care less if Bynum gets suspended, because if he actually stepped on Gerald's foot afterwards that was a really stupid thing to do. What I have a problem with is people acting like Bynum was out to get Gerald and that his goal was to intentionally hurt him. Whatever, there's no point talking to a brickwall.
Even though it was a freak accident, I don't like the way he used his elbow. Just an unnessecary play. Either raise your hands or wrap him up. There's no need for this in basketball.
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[QUOTE=A.M.G.]There are personal fouls (like standard blocking fouls, reach ins, charges).
Then there are hard personal fouls, such as hard hacks across the wrist, wrapping a guy up, or yes knocking a guy to the ground.
But you have to be going for the ball when you knock him down, you can't just body check him or crack him in the head. It's not hockey or football, they don't have padding or helmets so if that **** happens to players on a nightly basis, there is going to be a lot more injuries and shorter careers. That's not good for business.
Which brings us to flagrant fouls, which is usually a hard foul where there is no attempt on the ball, such as knocking a guy on his ass without going for the ball, or where the attempt on the ball was clearly just a pretense to go for the head, etc, etc. It becomes a flagrant two (and an automatic suspension) when it was clearly just an assault (punching, kicking, kneeing, or elbowing deliberately) such as Bowen kicking Chris Paul while he was down last season. Or when there are two flagrant ones, obviously.
And then dirty stuff is where you intend to injure a guy. For example, undercutting maliciously (Bowen), drop kicking a guy in the face as you close out on him (Bowen again), pushing a guy hard while he's in the air, grabbing a guys leg while he's in the air, anything where it's obvious that you're just trying to put the guy out of the game.
With Bynum, I strongly doubt he deliberately stepped on GW's foot (which is what turned that from a bruised ribcage to a collapsed lung), so it wasn't dirty. But it was clearly a flagrant 2 because he elbowed him deliberately with no attempt on the ball.
So, in summary, dirty = no, flagrant 2 = yes. Tell me seriously that if Okafor had done the same thing to Kobe, (foot stepped on, body check with elbow to the ribs, collapsed lung for Kobe) that wouldn't have been ruled a flagrant 2, and you wouldn't be saying it was dirty. Don't be a hypocrite.[/QUOTE]
Good assessment. :cheers: