Steroids in the NBA

[QUOTE=adamcz;2943472]I'm not accusing any [i]specific[/i] players of using drugs - just want to make that clear.

But steroids have been a problem in pretty much every other sport. Why would basketball be the [i]only[/i] sport that doesn't suffer from steroids? Rumors swirled around baseball players such as Bonds for many years before everyone finally admitted that yes, he obviously was using steroids. Why did it take so long for everyone to admit that he never could have gotten that big without juicing?

The NBA's drug testing policy is known to be pretty lax. It just seems like the opportunity is there, and with certain players, the superman muscles are there as well. In baseball and boxing we found out later that in virtually every case these superman looking players were juicing. Will we one day find out the same about basketball players? Players in the 80's weight trained pretty seriously but none of them looked like the freakishly cut players of today.

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Players in the 80s did not weight train seriously at all. Only very few of them did (like D.Robinson, who was known for his stellar physique). A great many players in the 80s used to smoke cigarettes and drink beers at half time.

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I am fairly certain that most of them do use PED's to recover from injuries....at least. This would make sense to do given the amount of money involved. Outside of injuries, It is also likely that they keep themselves "topped up", meaning, that whatever the agreed upon max levels are, they and their trainers, make sure that they are always right up to the max allowable hormone levels.

In any case, I don't see evidence of anyone going nuts with this stuff. Maybe Dwight Howard back in his prime. But everyone else looks how you would expect very well trained professional athletes to look like.

Everyone knows David Robinson got the guns from praying to the Lord Jesus.

When Hakeem slapped him in The WCF he turned the other cheek.

Then he told Rodman too do the same and his soul would be saved.

Rodman said " Fu#k that, I'm a killer"

The rest is history.....

[QUOTE=light;14142398]Players in the 80s did not weight train seriously at all. Only very few of them did (like D.Robinson, who was known for his stellar physique). A great many players in the 80s used to smoke cigarettes and drink beers at half time.

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False except DROB.

Difficult to know but I doubt athletes smoked and drank at halftime.

Divac was a known smoker but your post distorts the reality- unless you provide proof

Will Lebron be banned from the hall :eek:

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This entire discussion is never gonna be easy to talk about. You can look at elite ballers pics of Lebron and yeah of course he got bigger the same way you can look at giannis pics and he exploded as well. But we’re looking at pictures years apart with the best athletic trainers, sports scientists, doctors etc. of course the players are gonna be more fit. Look at someone like jj reddick for example nobody’s gonna say he’s on roids right? Now compare his duke pictures to his pelicans pictures. Obviously he’s in much better shape and bigger now than he was back in college. These players have the best trainers, the best doctors, they have everything. If you don’t expect them to be in peak shape and look amazing idk what to tell you guys.

[QUOTE] It was before Atlanta went on their 20-game win streak, so it wasn't really deemed a big game yet. And they thought LeBron was going to play, and LeBron just decided, 'I'm not gonna play.' Like, at the last minute, he told them, 'I'm not playing.' Didn't even come out to the bench, just sat in the back, didn't come out."

Windhorst says the Cavaliers' brass was stunned.

"[James] had sort of just like waved a bit of a white flag there. He just didn't feel like playing. He had never done that ever before. He had always just played through it. And so it was after that game, [the Cavaliers] said, 'Alright, take your two weeks off,' because he had reached a very low point." [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]"[James] had sort of just like waved a bit of a white flag there. He just didn't feel like playing. He had never done that ever before. He had always just played through it. And so it was after that game, [the Cavaliers] said, 'Alright, take your two weeks off,' because he had reached a very low point."

Nobody is quite sure why James' two-week break turned around his season. He does seem healthier and more explosive. If it was just fatigue and simple aches that he was dealing with, then two weeks may have been enough to revitalize him.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-2-week-break-turned-his-season-around-2015-4#:~:text=After%20suddenly%20deciding%20not%20to,had%20been%20moping%20for%20weeks[/url].

Anyone figure this out?

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[QUOTE]LeBron James has benign growth removed from jaw[/QUOTE]

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Wouldnt mind if Morant got on a lil bit of that dope....

I dont get what eliteballer thinks is the point of these pics. Yes LeBron is a big, dude, but it doesnt look like unnatural bulk to me. It fits his frame. So what if he's a big dude. They exist without PED enhancement.

Not even saying he's not. Who knows. They're been enough athletes of all sports caught at some point, so its not hard to belive NBA guys including James could be on something, but this pictures are not remotely close to convincing.

Like is eliteballer some scrawny 105 pound dude who can't put on muscle and just assumes anyone who can is on something?

Anyone figure out what LeRoids on?

[QUOTE][B]Did Bill Simmons Hint That LeBron James Took A Steroid Vacation?[/B]

Simmons met fan backlash when he floated the idea that LeBron wasn’t the “same player” early in the 2015 season. He responded as such:

“Like it was our fault that LeBron was playing below the rim for the first two months and the Cavs were a complete mess. I’m sorry for pointing that out everybody!”

After NBA beat writer Zach Lowe struggled to politely categorize LeBron’s two-week refresher vacation to Miami in January, Simmons pushed his stance once again:

Bill Simmons: Uh…I have a couple titles for that but I’m not gonna say.

Zach Lowe: I’m not going anywhere near where you’re going.

Bill Simmons: I’m not going anywhere either!

He later elaborated, saying:

[B]“LeBron James…looked like he was entering another phase of his career. He’s got a lot of miles on him. Looked different in how he was playing. Went away for two weeks, came back. He’s been lights out. [He] basically has been at 29 [points] a game, 6 [assists] and 6 [rebounds]. Fifty percent shooting. He looks like LeBron again.”[/B]
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[url]http://bluegrasspreps.com/national-b...ns-298941.html[/url]
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comment...bill_alluding/[/url]
[url]https://247sports.com/nba/mavericks/...tion-71485040/[/url]

[QUOTE][B]LeBatard: My Guess is LeBron James is ‘Doing Something[/B][/QUOTE]

[url]http://slicemiami.com/2016/06/08/le-...ron-james-hgh/[/url][/

[QUOTE][B]Here's the story behind the 2-week break that turned LeBron James' season around[/B]

Windhorst says that late in 2014, James had been moody and his body wasn't 100%. After suddenly deciding not to play in a game against the Hawks, the Cavs gave him take two weeks off to rest, from which he returned healthy and in a better mood, seemingly revitalized by some midseason trades.

[B]"[James] had sort of just like waved a bit of a white flag there. He just didn't feel like playing. He had never done that ever before. He had always just played through it. And so it was after that game, [the Cavaliers] said, 'Alright, take your two weeks off,' because he had reached a very low point."

Nobody is quite sure why James' two-week break turned around his season. He does seem healthier and more explosive.[/B] If it was just fatigue and simple aches that he was dealing with, then two weeks may have been enough to revitalize him.[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-2-week-break-turned-his-season-around-2015-4[/url]

[QUOTE][B]LeBron James Briefly Went To Miami Before Start Of Finals[/B][/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-lebron-james-udonis-haslem-s20180614-story.html[/url]


[QUOTE][B]The Only Thing Stephen A Smith and Max Kellerman Can Agree On[/B][/QUOTE]


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[quote]Simmons: Naive To Think NBA Has No Players On PEDs

During a podcast on Monday, ESPN NBA analyst Bill Simmons suggested that the lessons from baseball's performance enhancing drug problems of the past two decades need to be studied by those involved in basketball.

"The retroactive thing is really funny to me," said Simmons. "It does seem like there is this weird residual guilt, especially with the writers: 'We didn't know. I should have known. How did we not know?'

"Why aren't we asking that now with the other sports? What about basketball? Go on YouTube and watch a basketball game from 1977 and see what the guys look like. You really think there are no PED guys in the NBA right now? You've got to be kidding me.

"It's just funny to me. If we end up repeating this whole cycle with the NBA. Everybody is going to be like, 'How did we not know?' It's the same thing we were going through with baseball in the late nineties."
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[url]https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231496/simmons-naive-to-think-nba-has-no-players-on-peds[/url]

[quote]Daring to Ask the PED Question[/quote]

[url]http://grantland.com/features/daring-ask-ped-question[/url]


[quote]Adam Silver: NBA is more concerned about HGH use than marijuana[/quote]

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[quote]NBA, NBPA to add HGH testing into anti-drug program[/quote]

[url]http://www.nba.com/2015/news/04/16/nba-and-nbpa-to-introduce-hgh-blood-testing[/url]

[quote]Why there’s never been a PED scandal in the NBA[/quote]

[url]https://www.complex.com/sports/2018/01/why-theres-never-been-a-ped-scandal-in-the-nba[/url]

[quote]Tell me the NBA has no Doping[/quote]

[url]http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/50443/tell-me-the-nba-has-no-doping[/url]

[quote]Three NBA Doping Myths[/quote]

[url]http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/54045/three-nba-doping-myths[/url]

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So it was effective enough to prolong his longevity?

LeRoid natty doe?

It's hard to say exactly what's going on with the NBA in this regard. All we have to go on are the announced test results and punishments.

But there was a time when NBA players were not tested at all - basically every decade before the 00's. You could essentially do whatever you wanted. Cocaine was also a major problem in the league for about 15 years in the 70's and 80's.

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I have heard that roids actually make you slower as well as taking your quickness away.
If they use it in the off season to help recover .. that is one thing , but during regular season it would be a disaster.

First comment :roll:

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[QUOTE=Jasper;14192032]I have heard that roids actually make you slower as well as taking your quickness away.
If they use it in the off season to help recover .. that is one thing , but during regular season it would be a disaster.[/QUOTE]

You heard wrong buddy. I train with guys on gear and the results are insane. I get why some athletes take it. It gives you a crazy advantage over anyone not taking it.

[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14193944]You heard wrong buddy. I train with guys on gear and the results are insane. I get why some athletes take it. It gives you a crazy advantage over anyone not taking it.[/QUOTE]

are you referring to making them faster ?? or quickness ??

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Natty doe..

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