Four-team trade sending Hedo Turkoglu to Raptors and Shawn Marion to Mavericks done

Nice job by Dallas here. :applause:

[QUOTE=kentatm]Know who else was in a lot of pain in that series? Josh Howard. Dude was playing on two gimped ankles.

Dirk plays hurt all the time and NEVER uses it as an excuse for losing.

I am sorry but the Mavs were just as banged up and its weak sauce to say "Oh well the Spurs were hurt".

They were "hurt" for most of the year and STILL won the SW, still got the 3rd seed, had homecourt, was predicted by most to beat Dallas and still got rocked.[/QUOTE]
it's nto an excuse, you kicked the crap out of them. We are talking about this year and i think spurs from last year + healthy duncan + healthy ginobili + changes > (by a small mount) mavs + new players (all healthy). You disagree. :confusedshrug: not sure what you want...

[QUOTE=visirale]No you get Turkoglu and get to keep your MLE and LLE. This was a great move by your GM.[/QUOTE]

Well at least now we can sign Delfino hopefully... and dump Devean Georege :violin:

[QUOTE=catzhernandez]Nice job by Dallas here. :applause:[/QUOTE]

I would say good deal all the way round. Can't see anyone who got ripped off and it looks positive for all four teams!

Devean George, the gift that noone wants.

[QUOTE=IamSofaKing]Wtf is this? Raptors get scrubs for Marion? :banghead:[/QUOTE]

Uhhhh are you kidding. The huge benefit to this deal isn't who they got its what they got. they get Hedo PLUS the MLE which allows them to choose who else. George and Walker may hang around but they are simply occupying spots that would otherwise have been filled by guys making the minimum.

Very good move by BC.

[QUOTE=Gregsguys]Uhhhh are you kidding. The huge benefit to this deal isn't who they got its what they got. they get Hedo PLUS the MLE which allows them to choose who else. George and Walker may hang around but they are simply occupying spots that would otherwise have been filled by guys making the minimum.

Very good move by BC.[/QUOTE]

Read my post above.... :rolleyes:

At least Raptors have soom room to get some depth into their bench:cheers:

So what is their depth chart looking like right now?

All i know is....

G- Calderon
G- DeRozan
F- Turkoglu
F- Bosh
F/C- Bargnani

[QUOTE=1~Gibson~1]So what is their depth chart looking like right now?

All i know is....

G- Calderon
G- DeRozan
F- Turkoglu
F- Bosh
F/C- Bargnani[/QUOTE]

Thats the start, for now the backups look like this:

PG - Ukic, Banks, Delfino?
SG - Walker, Delfino, _____
SF - MLE?
PF - Evans, Pops
C - OBryant, Evans

Not top bench in the league but much better than it looked like it would be!

[QUOTE=Gregsguys]Thats the start, for now the backups look like this:

PG - Ukic, Banks, Delfino?
SG - Walker, Delfino, _____
SF - MLE?
PF - Evans, Pops
C - OBryant, Evans

Not top bench in the league but much better than it looked like it would be![/QUOTE]
SG & SF-Delfino, Wright, and George considering that they can play both positions...

[QUOTE=IamSofaKing]SG & SF-Delfino, Wright, and George considering that they can play both positions...[/QUOTE]

Maybe but I am not sure we will see George actually stay in TO.

[QUOTE=Gregsguys]Maybe but I am not sure we will see George actually stay in TO.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, BC should dump his contract and use the money to sign Delfino and Rashoooooo :banana:

[QUOTE=IamSofaKing]Yeah, BC should dump his contract and use the money to sign Delfino and Rashoooooo :banana:[/QUOTE]
Definitely

Must get Bass back.

Hoping Jawai can get some game time in dallas, kid has potential, he is sort of like brandon bass....bit bigger with a little bit of a worse jumper, not a bad one for his size though.

[QUOTE=phoenix18]How does this help the Mavericks? I dont see a defender on that starting line-up?[/QUOTE]
Josh Howard are Shawn Marion are both good defenders.

[QUOTE=Quata]Hoping Jawai can get some game time in dallas, kid has potential, he is sort of like brandon bass....bit bigger with a little bit of a worse jumper, not a bad one for his size though.[/QUOTE]

He has a decent post game, give him a few years and he will develop

so why does Toronto do this again?

[QUOTE=wally_world]so why does Toronto do this again?[/QUOTE]

To get rid of Marion, get some cap space and strengthen up thier bench...

I hope Gortat doesn't flop this year, he showed some promise in ORL but I think the Mavs overpaid him... Their only weakness is at the center position..1 trough 4, they're set...
Imagine them going small with a line up of:

1. J-Kidd
2. Terry
3. Howard
4. Marion
5. Dirk

That's killer. All guys can run the floor and Kidd is still one of the best at finding the open man. Marion did good when playing with Stephon, Kidd and Nash in PHX. I thought he'd be good with Calderon as his PG, but he wasn't.. hope this gets him back on track a bit.

[QUOTE=Toizumi]Marion did good when playing with Stephon, Kidd and Nash in PHX. I thought he'd be good with Calderon as his PG, but he wasn't.. hope this gets him back on track a bit.[/QUOTE]
To be fair to Marion, Jose isn't anywhere near the same level as Kidd, Nash or a prime Starbury, and was injured a bunch last season to boot.

[QUOTE=wally_world]so why does Toronto do this again?[/QUOTE]

They benefit by being over the cap and making the trade b/c it allows them to have a MLE. If they had renounced Marion & others, they would have had room for just Hedo.

[QUOTE=wally_world]so why does Toronto do this again?[/QUOTE]

Toronto does it to free up the two exemptions which would allow them to add possibly Rasho, Delfino and/or others.

While getting rid of Jawai and Hump shrinks the bench the gain of Rasho and others would strengthen the whole team.

I haven't been keeping close tabs on Bosh, but has he publically implicated he wants to leave Toronto after this season? Will Toronto even have the cap space free to offer Bosh the contract he'll be worth?

:confusedshrug:

If Bosh stays with the Raptors and plays along side Hedo, that's certainly noticeable. I'm not a big fan of Jose Calderon, but he's a serviceable PG.

You don't need cap space to re-sign a player who's already on the team.

mavericks r just getting olderby completing this trade..:roll:

o well theyll still make the play-offs now with shaq out of pheonix

[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]mavericks r just getting olderby completing this trade..:roll:

o well theyll still make the play-offs now with shaq out of pheonix[/QUOTE]

you math sucks. They got younger.

They traded a 34 year old Stack for a 31 year old Marion.

Also, I think that by adding Orlando into the deal they probably have a wink wink deal where the Mavs left Bass alone and the Magic won't match Gortat. (who will make the Mavs even younger)

[IMG]http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq200/stereolith/Gortat.png[/IMG]

This is a great move but it could turn out to bite them in the ass if Dirk, Kidd, etc start showing their etc. This is an old team.

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]This is a great move but it could turn out to bite them in the ass if Dirk, Kidd, etc start showing their etc. This is an old team.[/QUOTE]

The trade does not affect the age/health of Dirk or Kidd at all.

[QUOTE=Human Error]Josh Howard are Shawn Marion are both good defenders.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that none of them can shut down players like Melo,Durant,James and Pierce.

[QUOTE=Mr Clutch Melo]The problem is that none of them can shut down players like Melo,Durant,James and Pierce.[/QUOTE]

There's a very short list of players who can even keep up with those guys anyway. Marion is athletic and long, he's guarded smaller players before and if Gortat improves the Mavs interior D like he should their defence will improve.

[QUOTE=Mr Clutch Melo]The problem is that none of them can shut down players like Melo,Durant,James and Pierce.[/QUOTE]

NOBODY can shut those guys down when they are on.

Nice Trade For All The Teams Here. Good Job Guys.

[QUOTE=knickballer]Jason Kidd gets exposed by the quicker PG's...[/QUOTE]
Some of the best defenders in the league can't always stay with a quicker point-guards, so that's no reason to bash him. Kidd keeps the offense effiecient and organized, he rebounds, gets steals, and always makes sure his team gets a high-percentage shot. Would you trade all that for someone who can keep his man in front of him sometimes?

[QUOTE=Red-Head]Some of the best defenders in the league can't always stay with a quicker point-guards, so that's no reason to bash him. Kidd keeps the offense effiecient and organized, he rebounds, gets steals, and always makes sure his team gets a high-percentage shot. Would you trade all that for someone who can keep his man in front of him sometimes?[/QUOTE]




this, and kidd is still a solid deffender on most players, too many people round here think that the second you hit 30 you cease to be able to play deffense.

Yeah i think Marion fits in real well on paper with the Mav's. Its not like he needs the ball to be effective and now they are long and way more athletic. If any team got jipped it was Toronto, Hedo is overrated for the amount of attention he's getting. Anyways Mav's looking really good right now...

Regardless of what people say, Marion wasn't a good fit in TO and was hardly utilized to his potential.

Raptors have a strong starting lineup, but to be brutally honest their D will probably still be pretty weak.

Surprised no one is really talking about Jarret Jack going their, they have plenty of cap room to go after a couple good guys to make the bench stronger.

Either way, the Raptors will make the playoffs this year...at least they should.

But if they don't....at least will still have that 3 pointer streak record still going :rockon:

[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]This is a great move but it could turn out to bite them in the ass if Dirk, Kidd, etc start showing their etc. This is an old team.[/QUOTE]
I think Dirk showed in the playoffs that he has more than enough left in the tank. And as long as Kidd continues to play within his element as he did last season (obviously he can't physically do everything he used to, but he's still a smart player, great passer, and a leader), I don't think he's that big of a question mark.

I'm most worried about Howard's health. If we have the athletic, slashing, and finishing Josh from 2005-2007, I think we're a contender. If not, then we're just another team in the West.

[QUOTE=Arti]
I'm most worried about Howard's health. If we have the athletic, slashing, and finishing Josh from 2005-2007, I think we're a contender. If not, then we're just another team in the West.[/QUOTE]


A healthy Josh is essential for the Mavs to be a serious threat.

[QUOTE=miles berg]Jason Kidd, Josh Howard, Shawn Marion, & Marcin Gortat are all excellent defenders.[/QUOTE]

Jason Kidd is too slow to defend the younger, quicker point guards.

Gortat is a solid defender, but he will be exposed by more polished big men with smoother moves around the basket.

Howard and Marion are both good defenders, but the team lacks an elite defensive presence. Kidd is on the way out, and trading for him was not a good idea.

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