[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]I googled "dirk will never win a ring insidehoops"
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[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]I googled "dirk will never win a ring insidehoops"
to find mustard's thread[/QUOTE]
Won't help.
There can be only one mustard
Dirk had a better Playoff run and he's proven to be a consistent winner both in the regular season and in the Playoffs. Pau has won 0 playoff games without Kobe and has been swept 4 times in the first round. I'm taking Dirk.
[QUOTE=elementally morale]Dirk is a top 5 player this year, Gasol is top10. There is the answer: Dirk is better. Speaking of their careers, NBA-wise it's Dirk. [B]In the FIBA compteitions it's Gasol, due to having had a better team.[/B] (Both of them play very well at international events.)
This comparison will get worse in the future, because Dirk operates as the #1 and Pau as te #2 option. Not the same roles. Defensively, Pau is better and he is a bit more efficient with the ball. Basketball IQ is high in both instances, slight edge to Gasol.
Still, overall I take Dirk. He is a top50 player of all time for sure. Let's see how he ends his career to get into more details.[/QUOTE]
Gasol just flat out played better than Dirk almost always in FIBA. He was almost always better, no matter what team he had. From young competitions to senior competitions.
He was always better than Dirk in FIBA individually. So that's just simply NOT A TRUE statement.
[QUOTE=elementally morale]Pretty good. At Eurobasket:
Gold: 2009
Silver: 1935, 1973, 1983, 1999, 2003, 2007
Bronze: 1991, 2001
Watch the table at the bottom of the page:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_national_basketball_team[/url][/QUOTE]
Spain never won anything before Gasol. What are you talking about? [B]They never won a single gold medal ever before he played for them.[/B]
[QUOTE=ImKobe]Dirk had a better Playoff run and he's proven to be a consistent winner both in the regular season and in the Playoffs. Pau has won 0 playoff games without Kobe and has been swept 4 times in the first round. I'm taking Dirk.[/QUOTE]
Nobody answers it anymore, dude. No answer is needed, kid.
Of course you needed to downplay Kobe's help though :oldlol:
Contradictating motha****a. Makes threads about Gasol saving Kobe's ass in the Finals and then shows his true colours
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Nobody answers it anymore, dude. No answer is needed, kid.
Of course you needed to downplay Kobe's help though :oldlol:
Contradictating motha****a. Makes threads about Gasol saving Kobe's ass in the Finals and then shows his true colours[/QUOTE]
Didn't know I couldn't express my opinion on a forum :confusedshrug:
There will certainly be a few Pau Gasol fans downplaying Kobe and trying to make a case for him, I mean, the man does have 2 championships, in which he played a big part in. What's with the hostility, bro?
[QUOTE=kentatm]Wow. You sure as hell don't know much about Euro ball to make an asinine comparison like that. Do you know just how weak basketball is in Germany? Frigging handball is more popular. It was a major accomplishment for Dirk to just lead them to an Olympics berth.[/QUOTE]
Again this is USA NBA only fan and sports media myths.
Basketball is #2 most popular team sport in Germany currently. The German basketball league is extremely popular. It has big arenas and basically every single game is a sellout.
[B]All the big football clubs are trying to build big basketball sections, and Bayern Munich already has one and they are building a big new arena.[/B]
Alba in Berlin is a hugely popular club there in Berlin and has a damn nice arena. The club has a huge following there. [B]In the region where Dirk came from, there are about 3-4 clubs that sellout every single game..........
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It's complete BULLSHIT from the USA that basketball does not do well in Germany. Because it's doing FANTASTIC in Germany.
[B]By all accounts, it's the #1 country in Europe economically for basketball.[/B]
It's just this whole myth of NBA marketing built around Dirk that is all part of these bullshit legends and story telling that NBA creates and that NBA only fans like to listen to.
[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]Dirk has easily played better in most FIBA competitions. Pau isn't even demanding half the defensive attention Dirk is, be it FIBA or NBA games.[/QUOTE]
You have not watched any of those FIBA games. That is a guaranteed fact.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]Gasol just flat played better than Dirk almost always in FIBA. He was almost always better, no matter what team he had. From young competitions to senior competitions.
He was always better than Dirk in FIBA individually. So that's just simply NOT A TRUE statement.[/QUOTE]
What about in the NBA though? Dirk clearly has more playoff success and much better numbers.
[QUOTE=tpols]What about in the NBA though? Dirk clearly has more playoff success and much better numbers.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say I think Gasol is better than Dirk. I do think Dirk is better than Gasol. But some people were just making up nonsense on the argument side for Dirk.
Dirk was never as good as Pau in FIBA, and it was not because of his team. I was just disputing what were basically troll claims.
Putting everything together Pau was probably the FIBA player of the decade.But what Dirk achieved there was incredibly impressive considering his squad (a common theme in his career)... logically he should have never even sniffed a medal with that talent level around him.
[QUOTE=tpols]What about in the NBA though? Dirk clearly has more playoff success and much better numbers.[/QUOTE]
If Germany has more NBA players like Spain has, Dirk would achieve same result and then some in FIBA like Pau . Too bad He was playing with the Caveman, naturalized scrub and 9 custodians,
[QUOTE=tpols]What about in the NBA though? Dirk clearly has more playoff success and much better numbers.[/QUOTE]
Dude is talking out of his ass, anyway. I bolded Nowitzki's numbers.
2001: [B]28.7/9.1/1.9[/B] vs 17.3/9.7/0.9
2002: [B]24/8.2/2.7[/B] vs 19.1/7.8/2.4
2003: [B]22,5/6,2/1[/B] vs 25.8/7.5/0.8
2006: [B]23.2/9.2/2.8[/B] vs 21.2/9.4/1.4
2007: [B]24/8.7/1.6[/B] vs 18.8/7/2.2
2008: [B]17/8.4/0.6[/B] vs. 19.6/7/1.7
2011: [B]19.5/6.6/1.4[/B] vs 20.1/8.3/1.7
And Dirk's teams have always been way, way worse than Gasol's. He managed to carry the team to victories over Spain in 2002 and 2005, and both times Spain was the clear favorite - in 2005, everybody expected them to win even [b]without[/b] Gasol. :roll:
[QUOTE=BoutPractice]Putting everything together Pau was probably the FIBA player of the decade.But what Dirk achieved there was incredibly impressive considering his squad (a common theme in his career)... logically he should have never even sniffed a medal with that talent level around him.[/QUOTE]
This . :applause:
even if Dirk won a Eurbasket, is just a blip on radar screen when you compare his NBA ring. Pau can't do what Dirk did on the highest level.
did this thread rlly happen? somebody wake me up
[QUOTE=Euroleague]Dirk was never as good as Pau in FIBA, and it was not because of his team. I was just disputing what were basically troll claims.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
So we can assume that Pau could've carried those German scrub teams to medals, too? Can you imagine young Dirk playing with those Spanish squads? Come on, you've never actually watched a single FIBA game.
[QUOTE=Meticode]Dirk Nowitzki's offensive game is slightly better than Pau Gasol's, but Dirk limits himself from the outside a lot. While Pau has a more consistent and efficient offensive game.
Pau Gasol is the better defender compared to Nowitzki.
Nowitzki is the better overall player, Gasol is the player I want on my team as a complimentary player to another player because he doesn't need the ball to be effective.
Give me Pau Gasol please.[/QUOTE]
LOL @ this dumb piece of sht:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Pau was NEVER close to Dirk
Just watch the 2006 playoff to see the difference b/w them:applause:
[QUOTE=Euroleague]Again this is USA NBA only fan and sports media myths.
Basketball is #2 most popular team sport in Germany currently. The German basketball league is extremely popular. It has big arenas and basically every single game is a sellout.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me? Extremely popular? Big arenas? Every game a sellout? Now the last time I've checked my ID it looked like I'm actually German, so let's talk about reality instead of your made up bullshit for a moment.
Here are some BBL numbers for the 2012/2013 season.
[URL="http://statistik.basketball-bundesliga.de/beko-bbl/statistik/zuschauer.php"]http://statistik.basketball-bundesliga.de/beko-bbl/statistik/zuschauer.php[/URL]
average arena capacity: 5.148
average attendance: 4.435
percentage of seats sold: 86.1%
Yeah, about 4500 people are watching the BBL live on average. To put this into perspective, that's about the same as the Handball bundesliga (around 4500 per game).
And here are TV ratings for basketball in Germany. The games are indicated below the diagram. The black lines are viewers starting at three years old, red are 14-49 years old. The numbers on the Y-axis are millions. Yeah, a few hundred thousand people are watching the BBL at best. Some more with Alba-Bayern, but still completely irrelevant. And for other teams, nobody gives a f*ck at all.
[IMG]http://www.quotenmeter.de/ratings/special/2013/bekobbl_2013_reichweiten.gif[/IMG]
Also...
DHB (German Handball Association): 4.500 registered clubs, 800.000 members
DBB (German Basketball Association): 2000 registered clubs, 200.000 members
Basically, handball is much better organized than basketball. More teams, more leagues, better youth system. Just all around better to play competitively. You can play handball pretty much everywhere on multiple levels of competition. Basketball? Not easy at all. Bball extremely popular? Not in the country called Germany where I grew up. Maybe Euroleague is talking about another Germany?
So...you're completely clueless as usual. If you've never heard of handball, feel free to ask :cheers:
Here are the huge BBL arenas Euroleague is talking about...
[IMG]http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien/fotos/galerien/1374061044.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien/fotos/galerien/1374061043.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien/fotos/galerien/1374061040.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien/fotos/galerien/1374061046.jpg[/IMG]
Lol@basketball being extremely popular over here. Half of the current teams wouldn't even be allowed to play in the Spanish ACB because their arenas are too small.
[QUOTE=dr.hee]:roll:
So we can assume that Pau could've carried those German scrub teams to medals, too? Can you imagine young Dirk playing with those Spanish squads? Come on, you've never actually watched a single FIBA game.[/QUOTE]
You don't even know what FIBA is.
[QUOTE=BoutPractice]Putting everything together Pau was probably the FIBA player of the decade.But what Dirk achieved there was incredibly impressive considering his squad (a common theme in his career)... logically he should have never even sniffed a medal with that talent level around him.[/QUOTE]
Funny, because according to this forum Spanoulis is the worst player in history and he won more medals with Greece..........
[QUOTE=Euroleague]You don't even know what FIBA is.[/QUOTE]
Oh you can do better than that. I mean at least you've tried with your nonsense about German basketball. Exactly what I'd expect from a redneck who doesn't even get to watch BBL games, but you've tried :cheers:
[QUOTE=creepingdeath]Dude is talking out of his ass, anyway. I bolded Nowitzki's numbers.
2001: [B]28.7/9.1/1.9[/B] vs 17.3/9.7/0.9
2002: [B]24/8.2/2.7[/B] vs 19.1/7.8/2.4
2003: [B]22,5/6,2/1[/B] vs 25.8/7.5/0.8
2006: [B]23.2/9.2/2.8[/B] vs 21.2/9.4/1.4
2007: [B]24/8.7/1.6[/B] vs 18.8/7/2.2
2008: [B]17/8.4/0.6[/B] vs. 19.6/7/1.7
2011: [B]19.5/6.6/1.4[/B] vs 20.1/8.3/1.7
And Dirk's teams have always been way, way worse than Gasol's. He managed to carry the team to victories over Spain in 2002 and 2005, and both times Spain was the clear favorite - in 2005, everybody expected them to win even [b]without[/b] Gasol. :roll:[/QUOTE]
Dirk played absolutely awful in every single tournament from 2007 onwards. [B]In fact, in recent years, Germany even had gotten a hell of a lot better once he was off the national team.[/B]
You are definitely trolling.
[QUOTE=dr.hee]Are you kidding me? Extremely popular? Big arenas? Every game a sellout? Now the last time I've checked my ID it looked like I'm actually German, so let's talk about reality instead of your made up bullshit for a moment.
Here are some BBL numbers for the 2012/2013 season.
[URL="http://statistik.basketball-bundesliga.de/beko-bbl/statistik/zuschauer.php"]http://statistik.basketball-bundesliga.de/beko-bbl/statistik/zuschauer.php[/URL]
average arena capacity: 5.148
average attendance: 4.435
percentage of seats sold: 86.1%
Yeah, about 4500 people are watching the BBL live on average. To put this into perspective, that's about the same as the Handball bundesliga (around 4500 per game).
And here are TV ratings for basketball in Germany. The games are indicated below the diagram. The black lines are viewers starting at three years old, red are 14-49 years old. The numbers on the Y-axis are millions. Yeah, a few hundred thousand people are watching the BBL at best. Some more with Alba-Bayern, but still completely irrelevant. And for other teams, nobody gives a f*ck at all.
[IMG]http://www.quotenmeter.de/ratings/special/2013/bekobbl_2013_reichweiten.gif[/IMG]
Also...
DHB (German Handball Association): 4.500 registered clubs, 800.000 members
DBB (German Basketball Association): 2000 registered clubs, 200.000 members
Basically, handball is much better organized than basketball. More teams, more leagues, better youth system. Just all around better to play competitively. You can play handball pretty much everywhere on multiple levels of competition. Basketball? Not easy at all. Bball extremely popular? Not in the country called Germany where I grew up. Maybe Euroleague is talking about another Germany?
So...you're completely clueless as usual. If you've never heard of handball, feel free to ask :cheers:[/QUOTE]
You are not German. You are an American. Probably some army brat. You could not be any more OBVIOUS if you tried.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]You are not German. You are an American. Probably some army brat.[/QUOTE]
I take that as you being unable to say anything against official attendance numbers, TV ratings and member statistics of two major German sports associations? In other words...you're admitting that you're full of shit, completely clueless about foreign basketball and pulling random made up crap about German basketball out of your ass? Good to know.
We can do this in my first language instead if you want btw...if you wanna see whether I'm speaking German like an army brat, lol...
:cheers:
[QUOTE=dr.hee]I take that as you being unable to say anything against official attendance numbers, TV ratings and member statistics of two major German sports associations? In other words...you're admitting that you're full of shit, completely clueless about foreign basketball and pulling random made up crap about German basketball out of your ass? Good to know.
We can do this in my first language instead if you want btw...if you wanna see whether I'm speaking German like an army brat, lol...
:cheers:[/QUOTE]
German basketball league is officially the #1 domestic basketball league in Europe economically. That's a fact.
You are outright LYING.
And you are CLEARLY an American. If you are in Germany, you are a transplant, just like millions of other Americans that live in Germany.
You have absolutely ZERO tact.
[QUOTE=Euroleague]German basketball league is officially the #1 domestic basketball league in Europe economically. That's a fact.
You are outright LYING.
And you are CLEARLY an American. If you are in Germany, you are a transplant, just like millions of other Americans that live in Germany.
You have absolutely ZERO tact.[/QUOTE]
Hold on...
You've claimed it's the second most popular team sport in Germany. Which it isn't. Handball is. Then you've claimed basketball is extremely popular, almost every game sold out and the arenas huge. Wrong, as I've shown the average attendance is at about 4.500 people per game with TV games attracting not more than a few hundred thousand watchers.
So it looks like you were either flat out lying or clueless as f*ck. Either way...you're unable to say anything against the facts I've provided? Good. :cheers:
And why do you think I'm not German? I'd write in my mother language, but I figure since you're struggling with English as it is, it would probably make your head explode.
[B]You have no tact you sick human. Reported to abuse for racism.[/B]