Wade vs Kobe so far this year

[QUOTE=gts]you can't use per 36 stats because wade is basically play 36 minutes per game where kobe is playing less minutes so he gets a boost from the per 36 that wade doesn't...

i guess it's ok if you want to further an agenda or muddy the waters but it's not a fair comparison[/QUOTE]

No statistical measurements are fair inherently, because there are so many outside factors that influence a players stats. That includes playing time, role on team, teammates, coach, health, opportunities, how often you have the ball in your hand, how much teammates pass to you, intangibles, how the opposing team gameplans for your team, how effectively the coach uses you in the offense, how teammates play around you etc.. etc...

I'd say if there is only like a 10% difference in stats for ppg rpg and apg,(like one player has 30/6/6 and another has 27/5.4/5.4) then the players are comparable. The difference really comes from the outside factors I mentioned above.

And the only way to tell who is more effective on a game to game basis, is by actually watching the players rather than reading the box score.

lol


Somebody update the stats. Wade continues to play like garbage.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lol


Somebody update the stats. Wade continues to play like garbage.[/QUOTE]
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bump. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lol


Somebody update the stats. Wade continues to play like garbage.[/QUOTE]


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


[QUOTE=Hulk Hogan]bump. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


Please update the stats. :D :D :D

[QUOTE=Lebron23]:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


Please update the stats. :D :D :D[/QUOTE]

even tho Wade has better stats .. the stats dont do it justice.

Wade is killing it defensively ..him and Bron are the best perimeter duo since Jordan and Pippen .. while Kobe hasnt shown any type of effort defensively.

[QUOTE=B-Easy]even tho Wade has better stats .. the stats dont do it justice.

Wade is killing it defensively ..him and Bron are the best perimeter duo since Jordan and Pippen .. while Kobe hasnt shown any type of effort defensively.[/QUOTE]


LeBron and Wade = Double trouble


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

And two months from now when Wade has a slip in his play, this thread will be bumped again. Just for the "I told you so's." and " :oldlol: " 's Just another reason why this place is one of the worst places to intelligently discuss basketball.

[QUOTE=Killer_Instinct]And two months from now when Wade has a slip in his play, this thread will be bumped again. Just for the "I told you so's." and " :oldlol: " 's Just another reason why this place is one of the worst places to intelligently discuss basketball.[/QUOTE]

I honestly dont see it changing much ..


Wade has always been one of the most efficient scores in the NBA.. even when the Heat would walk the ball up the court and he had to work extra hard for every bucket.

Now that Miami gets in the open court and Wade gets some 1 on 1 opportunities ..its only getting easier for Wade to score compared to years past.

[QUOTE=TDPrime2030]Give me the one that didn't shoot 1-13 against the Pacers. :oldlol: Oh and give me the one that doesn't have an 8-6 record, but instead has a 12-2 record.

Kobe Bryant, all day, everyday, even on Sundays.[/QUOTE]
give me the reigning Player of the Month with

Team record of 28 - 9,

than a volume chucker who's team was blown out by at least 15 points in the last 4 defeats

Lebron and Wade right now are the clear best two players in the league. Both are just playing great mainly Wade.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lol


Somebody update the stats. Wade continues to play like garbage.[/QUOTE]
:lol Biggest clown on ISH

Wade

[QUOTE=Jacks3]lol


Somebody update the stats. Wade continues to play like garbage.[/QUOTE]
Have you seen kome play? even tpain was tearing him into shreds last night.

Wade >>> Kome for the past 4 years or so...
Kome is not even a TOP 10 player in the league anymore - his stans are just in denial as always

so far: wade

:banana:

Kome takes 15 shots in the first half and the lakers are only up 3. H takes only 3 shots in the second half and the outscore the pistons by 22. coincidence? i think not.

[QUOTE=tripledouble32]so far: wade

:banana:[/QUOTE]


Is it a surprise to anybody? He is younger, and Kobe has been playing in the league since he was 17...

He has a lot more miles on that body than Wade does. And he is starting to become more injury prone. hopefully he doesn't hurt another finger and has to be pushed around in a wheelchair.

[IMG]http://www.nbaloud.com/userimages/user1195_1172145842.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=For_Three]Is it a surprise to anybody? He is younger, and Kobe has been playing in the league since he was 17...

He has a lot more miles on that body than Wade does. [B]And he is starting to become more injury prone[/B]. hopefully he doesn't hurt another finger and has to be pushed around in a wheelchair.

[/QUOTE]
07-08 is calling you with them jokes:hammerhead: :sleeping

easily wade so far.

first year non injury since 05 its hasn't been close.

wade's defense has really separated him from kobe so far.

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]easily wade so far.

first year non injury since 05 [B]its hasn't been close.[/B]

wade's defense has really separated him from kobe so far.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]easily wade so far.

first year non injury since 05 its hasn't been close.

wade's defense has really separated him from kobe so far.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Kobes biggest department of disappointment is his defense:oldlol:While I've seen him lock down at times, mostly he's getting taken fairly easy off the dribble and seemingly taking plays off. He's playing a long ass time so that has to be a huge part of it. Either way, Wade has him beat in nearly everything except for jumpshooting. It's all an opinion but I don't think it's close either.

bump

Wade Regular season- 25.6 PPG 6.4 RPG 4.6 APG 1.6 SPG 1.1 BPG 50% FG 31% 3 PT 58-24 record

Kobe Regular season- 25.3 PPG 5.1 RPG 4.6 APG 1.2 SPG .2 BPG 45% FG 32% 3 PT 57-25 record

playoffs

Wade- 24.5 PPG 4.5 APG 7.2 RPG 48.5 % FG, Lost in Finals in 6
Kobe- 22.8 PPG 3.4 APG 3.3 RPG 44.6 % FG , 2nd round swept

[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]bump

Wade Regular season- 25.6 PPG 6.4 RPG 4.6 APG 1.6 SPG 1.1 BPG 50% FG 31% 3 PT 58-24 record

Kobe Regular season- 25.3 PPG 5.1 RPG 4.6 APG 1.2 SPG .2 BPG 45% FG 32% 3 PT 57-25 record

playoffs

Wade- 24.5 PPG 4.5 APG 7.2 RPG 48.5 % FG, Lost in Finals in 6([B]second option[/B])
Kobe- 22.8 PPG 3.4 APG 3.3 RPG 44.6 % FG , 2nd round swept([B]first option[/B])[/QUOTE]

fixed

Can you imagine if PRIME Kobe lost in the finals against a 1-star team with a PRIME LeBron and a PRIME Bosh as his 2nd and 3rd options?

His legacy would never recover in the eyes of many people.

Yet, when Wade looses under the same circumstances he gets a free pass...?

:confusedshrug:

And Wade-stans want to say that Wade gets disrespected by the media/fans.

I bet you LeBron, Kobe and Bosh would give ANYTHING to be "disrespected" the way Wade is.

:lol

[QUOTE=IllegalD]Can you imagine if PRIME Kobe lost in the finals against a 1-star team with a PRIME LeBron and a PRIME Bosh as his 2nd and 3rd options?

His legacy would never recover in the eyes of many people.

Yet, when Wade looses under the same circumstances he gets a free pass...?

:confusedshrug:

And Wade-stans want to say that Wade gets disrespected by the media/fans.

I bet you LeBron, Kobe and Bosh would give ANYTHING to be "disrespected" the way Wade is.

:lol[/QUOTE]

Could you imagine prime Wade losing to the 04 Pistons the way Kobe did?

[QUOTE=IllegalD]Can you imagine if PRIME Kobe lost in the finals against a 1-star team with a PRIME LeBron and a PRIME Bosh as his 2nd and 3rd options?

His legacy would never recover in the eyes of many people.

Yet, when Wade looses under the same circumstances he gets a free pass...?

:confusedshrug:

And Wade-stans want to say that Wade gets disrespected by the media/fans.

I bet you LeBron, Kobe and Bosh would give ANYTHING to be "disrespected" the way Wade is.

:lol[/QUOTE]
If Wade had any leadership qualities whatsoever he would have whipped Lebron's ass into shape halfway through that series. And of course if he had even an ounce of clutchness in him he wouldn't have floundered in crunchtime in every fourth quarter allowing Dirk the opportunity to win games

[QUOTE=tpols]If Wade had any leadership qualities whatsoever he would have whipped Lebron's ass into shape halfway through that series. And of course if he had even an ounce of clutchness in him he wouldn't have floundered in crunchtime in every fourth quarter allowing Dirk the opportunity to win games[/QUOTE]
It's hard for either to be a leader when they are both too busy being best friend out there. No true pecking order creates problems.

Wade cant even win with Lebrick as his sidekick

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Could you imagine prime Wade losing to the 04 Pistons the way Kobe did?[/QUOTE]

Can't imagine Kobe in his prime losing with a prime LeBron/Bosh. That's just me though.

[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]It's hard for either to be a leader when they are both too busy being best friend out there. No true pecking order creates problems.[/QUOTE]
Thats exactly what I'm talking about. Those two couldn't have a single honest word with each other. They tip toe around everything and think they'll just cruise through it all on talent alone. Sometimes you just have to be a d[I]i[/I]ck and tell it like it is.. it would have probably resulted in the Heat winning if Wade had just told Lebron to fvcking man up and start playing for real after one of his bullshit press conferences where he acted like he wasn't playing passive.

[QUOTE=ginobli2311]easily wade so far.

first year non injury since 05 its hasn't been close.

wade's defense has really separated him from kobe so far.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: Ahh good times, good times

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]:oldlol: Ahh good times, good times[/QUOTE]

lol

[QUOTE=catch24]Can't imagine Kobe in his prime losing with a prime LeBron/Bosh. That's just me though.[/QUOTE]

I feel the same way, but at the same time.... Can you imagine Kobe playing as well as Wade did for the majority of the finals this year?

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I feel the same way, but at the same time.... Can you imagine Kobe playing as well as Wade did for the majority of the finals this year?[/QUOTE]

I believe Kobe played just as well during the 2002 and 2009 Finals. I don't think Kobe could ever play as well as Wade did in 2006, though.

Of course this all depends on the defenses they're playing.

[QUOTE=catch24]I believe Kobe played just as well during the 2002 and 2009 Finals. I don't think Kobe could ever play as well as Wade did in 2006, though.

Of course this all depends on the defenses they're playing.[/QUOTE]

Thats true. My point is that its easy to just assume they would never lose. Its not like Wade didn't really bring it in the finals. Yea, he struggled in game 6 no doubt.

But up to that point he had been pretty damn good on both ends.

I'd be more inclined to knock Wade for his leadership than his play this year. Then again, I have no idea what Wade did behind closed doors. He might have done and said all the right things and that bitch Bosh and weird Lebron just might not have been able to step up.

I have no idea. I think we get into a dangerous area on the intangible stuff because we have no idea the exact specifics and its almost always total speculation on our part.

[QUOTE=kaiiu]Wade cant even win with Lebrick as his sidekick[/QUOTE]

A sidekick that chokes. Kobe would take 35 shots a game if his second option aka. Gasol, was struggling this bad.

[QUOTE=catch24]Can't imagine Kobe in his prime losing with a prime LeBron/Bosh. That's just me though.[/QUOTE]

Point taken, but I also can't imagine Kobe carrying an old Shaq (who averaged 13ppg in the Finals) and old roleplayers to a title either.

There's too many factors in play, we also don't know how Kobe would play with Lebron and Bosh either.

[QUOTE=tpols]Thats exactly what I'm talking about. Those two couldn't have a single honest word with each other. They tip toe around everything and think they'll just cruise through it all on talent alone. Sometimes you just have to be a d[I]i[/I]ck and tell it like it is.. it would have probably resulted in the Heat winning if Wade had just told Lebron to fvcking man up and start playing for real after one of his bullshit press conferences where he acted like he wasn't playing passive.[/QUOTE]
I know. But it's funny because that must be "new school" friendship. If I was messing up, or my buddy was messing up. I could pull them aside and lay into him with words, us bothing knowing we're friends besides the point and will be after the exchange is done, but like ... LISTEN, you're messing up.

Wade tried it in game 3. And LeBron played like he was pouting after that, though ... so maybe Wade tried, but knowing LeBron's been enabled his whole life, he probably wasn't used to be called out.

[QUOTE=catch24]I don't think Kobe could ever play as well as Wade did in 2006, though.[/QUOTE]
Kobe is as entertaining as they come. Enormous EXPLOSIONS in the regular season against ass quality defenses and sh1t box teams. He even plays fairly well in the playoffs when going against average to below average teams and defenses, IE Suns, Jazz, Nuggets, etc. With the few exceptions, like say his series against the Spurs in 2008 (which while very good, wasn't totally dominating either) ... his game is so jump shot happy, there is no way he can produce and impact the game all around long enough to be as good of a playoff and Finals perforer that Wade has become. Kobe always shoots his wad in like meaningless regular season games. He's had some good playoff runs, but he is by no means someone who takes his game to another level in the playoffs. Wade is that guy. Because Wade doesn't settle for jumpers 24/7. It's funny, his best playoff run, and some argue even his best season was 2008. Where he let the game come to him, attacked, and didn't TRY and put up huge scoring numbers all the time.