A bit OFF TOPIC:
Wow....looking through the wiki links I posted and didn't even realized the Blazers won the NBA title a year after missing the playoffs the previous season.
1975-76 did not qualify.
1976-77 NBA champions.
:eek:
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A bit OFF TOPIC:
Wow....looking through the wiki links I posted and didn't even realized the Blazers won the NBA title a year after missing the playoffs the previous season.
1975-76 did not qualify.
1976-77 NBA champions.
:eek:
[QUOTE=lpublic_enemyl]point is the nba is a business and if contracting will cost money and reduced profits then why shud they do it, but the idea of a better league is enticing[/QUOTE]
Well, the NBA is losing money as it is right now.
More than half the teams aren't making money.
P.S. Good thread. I'm tired, I lost track of the time....2:31, DAMN!!!!!
I 100% agree with this. I have been saying the league is more watered down then ever many times.
Take the Grizzlies for example, OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay are so f****** talented, Marc Gasol is also very good, but the organization they play for is a joke, and they will continue to have sub 500 record year after year. Get rid of them and other crap teams. Combine crap teams from conferences like the Hornets and Grizzlies. Twolves and Kings
PG: Chris Paul
SG: OJ Mayo
SF: Rudy Gay
PF: David West
C: Marc Gasol
PG: Johnny Flynn
SG: Tyreke Evans
SF: Michael Beasley
PF: Kevin Love
C: DeMarcus Cousins
and let's start playing basketball
[QUOTE=O.J A 6'4Mamba]I 100% agree with this. I have been saying the league is more watered down then ever many times.
Take the Grizzlies for example, OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay are so f****** talented, Marc Gasol is also very good, but the organization they play for is a joke, and they will continue to have sub 500 record year after year. Get rid of them and other crap teams. Combine crap teams from conferences like the Hornets and Grizzlies. Twolves and Kings
PG: Chris Paul
SG: OJ Mayo
SF: Rudy Gay
PF: David West
C: Marc Gasol
PG: Johnny Flynn
SG: Tyreke Evans
SF: Michael Beasley
PF: Kevin Love
C: DeMarcus Cousins
and let's start playing basketball[/QUOTE]
Yes!!!! OJ Mamba gets it. :applause:
[QUOTE=lpublic_enemyl]point is the nba is a business and if contracting will cost money and reduced profits then why shud they do it, but the idea of a better league is enticing[/QUOTE]
The league actually loses more money and profits now with more teams. You have a bunch of teams at the bottom that are being supported by just a few at the top.
I rarely like/respect what Lebron has to say, but I'm with him on this one... speak your mind Lebron, speak your mind!
...maybe there is a real person in there after all.....
[quote=FindingTim]I rarely like/respect what Lebron has to say, but I'm with him on this one... speak your mind Lebron, speak your mind!
...maybe there is a real person in there after all.....[/quote]
what should I do, what should I do, to shrink the nba or leave it as it is, what should I do, what should I do, to keep my mouth shut or F it up more
fan up fan up fan up MIAMI
[QUOTE=bdreason]You're going to have disparity regardless. Say you contract 6 teams and are left with 12 All-Stars to disperse (more like 8-10). So 12 of the 24 remaining teams gets an extra All-Star caliber player, and the other 12 teams stay the same (get worse).
Plus, whose to say the best players remain in the NBA? With the talent scouts on some of these teams, the NBA would probably just lose a bunch of quality players, and keep a bunch of athletic scrubs with "potential".[/QUOTE]
Exactly grwat post and repped
[QUOTE=O.J A 6'4Mamba]I 100% agree with this. I have been saying the league is more watered down then ever many times.
Take the Grizzlies for example, OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay are so f****** talented, Marc Gasol is also very good, but the organization they play for is a joke, and they will continue to have sub 500 record year after year. Get rid of them and other crap teams. Combine crap teams from conferences like the Hornets and Grizzlies. Twolves and Kings
PG: Chris Paul
SG: OJ Mayo
SF: Rudy Gay
PF: David West
C: Marc Gasol
PG: Johnny Flynn
SG: Tyreke Evans
SF: Michael Beasley
PF: Kevin Love
C: DeMarcus Cousins
and let's start playing basketball[/QUOTE]
This is exactly my point. Who is the 12th man on this team? Love? The guy that got 30-30. The first one to do so since barkley? Or cousins? Who was a top 5 lottery pick. Come on.
List of teams with [B]19 or less wins[/B]...
[url]http://www.nbauniverse.com/statistics/worst_seasons.htm[/url]
1960s: 3
1970s: 3
1980s: 9
1990s: 18
2000s: 14
^including 2009-10
You see a pattern there...just sayin'
[QUOTE=97 bulls]This is exactly my point. Who is the 12th man on this team? Love? The guy that got 30-30. The first one to do so since barkley? Or cousins? Who was a top 5 lottery pick. Come on.[/QUOTE]
rookies had to earn playing time back in the day, not be put on a team and given the green light to chuck away.
also, im thinking about if you combined the teams, drew gooden a bonafide loser will be out of the league, there wouldn't be such thing as being a lazy player because if you are someone could take your spot. carlos boozer wouldn't be able to jump from team to team like he wants to, and u wouldn't see the same teams in the finals and playoffs every damn year.
And also realize that having bad teams is neccessary. How is anyone ever going to get a chance to prove themselves if every team is stacked? In Europe? In the D-League?
How many players have we seen make a name for themselves on a lousy team? What if these players had been relegated to the end of the bench to start their careers instead?
As long as you can put fans in the seats, then who cares if you're a really good team? Not every team can win. And this is from a guy who has been a Warriors fan for 20 years, only to see them make the playoffs twice.
I don't think dropping six teams would do as much as some here seem to think it will. Only six teams isn't going to make the league competitive all of the sudden, unless you disperse that talent only to the lower teams, which I don't think is really fair. You'd be gifting a franchise for poor performance by just throwing talent at their rosters. But if you do a league-wide draft, you just end up making the good teams better.
Not to mention how much money this would initially cost the NBA to do, just to hope that it pays off in the long run. If you're thinking about doing something that drastic, why not consider taking all of the players in the league, ranking them and doing a draft? It would disperse talent across the league. Sure, you're giving a big **** you to teams like the Lakers and Boston that have put in the work to build good teams, but you'd also be saying **** you to entire franchises / cities if you were to go with the former idea.
LeBron and I think the same ... I just mentioned contraction earlier today and people jumped my nuts. It would make the NBA so much better.
[QUOTE=bdreason]And also realize that having bad teams is neccessary. How is anyone ever going to get a chance to prove themselves if every team is stacked? In Europe? In the D-League?
How many players have we seen make a name for themselves on a lousy team? What if these players had been relegated to the end of the bench to start their careers instead?
As long as you can put fans in the seats, then who cares if you're a really good team? Not every team can win. And this is from a guy who has been a Warriors fan for 20 years, only to see them make the playoffs twice.[/QUOTE]
A lot of them belong in the D-league and European leagues.
Most teams are losing hundred million of dollars. They're not putting fans in the seats.
[QUOTE=bdreason]And also realize that having bad teams is neccessary. How is anyone ever going to get a chance to prove themselves if every team is stacked? In Europe? In the D-League?
How many players have we seen make a name for themselves on a lousy team? What if these players had been relegated to the end of the bench to start their careers instead?
As long as you can put fans in the seats, then who cares if you're a really good team? Not every team can win. And this is from a guy who has been a Warriors fan for 20 years, only to see them make the playoffs twice.[/QUOTE]
+1.
A lot of teams are losing money, but that can be attributed to the economy and the fact that there's TV and what not. Some teams need to do more promoting and marketing to get more fans in the seats.
I wouldn't be opposed to having 2 teams be contracted, but I like the fact that cities like Sacramento, Portland, and Salt Lake City get their one big four sports franchise because of the NBA.
I just think the league would be much better if say Memphis, Minnesota and New Orleans were contracted in the West and Charlotte, Toronto and Washington were cut in the East.
It would make the league so much more competitive if players like Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, Chris Paul, David West, John Wall etc. were to filter down to the remaining teams.
Look at how it is right now. Teams like Memphis and Charlotte aren't going to be winning anything... ever. Maybe they get to the playoffs once and awhile, but what are the odds they'll be anything more than mediocre?
The NBA was at it's peak in the 80's because you had genuine playoff wars and match ups that weren't already a given. We need that now. The only one we really have now is Boston-Lakers. It'd be nice if we had another three or four superteams. Sure, the lower teams would still suffer, but they're suffering now. The only difference is that the teams at the top aren't as good either.
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]I just think the league would be much better if say Memphis, Minnesota and New Orleans were contracted in the West and Charlotte, Toronto and Washington were cut in the East.
It would make the league so much more competitive if players like Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, Chris Paul, David West, John Wall etc. were to filter down to the remaining teams.
Look at how it is right now. Teams like Memphis and Charlotte aren't going to be winning anything... ever. Maybe they get to the playoffs once and awhile, but what are the odds they'll be anything more than mediocre?
The NBA was at it's peak in the 80's because you had genuine playoff wars and match ups that weren't already a given. We need that now. The only one we really have now is Boston-Lakers. It'd be nice if we had another three or four superteams. Sure, the lower teams would still suffer, but they're suffering now. The only difference is that the teams at the top aren't as good either.[/QUOTE]
This guy gets it ...
It's about quality product, not expansion into foreign / secondary markets (IE Canada, Europe, etc)
They should be trying to put the best product on the court.
And I wouldn't stop at subtracting just one team from each division.
Toronto, Milwaukee, Charlotte, Minnesota, Clippers, New Orleans
Would be the mandated each team from each division ... Wouldn't stop there, either
Washington, Atlanta, Memphis, Sacramento ... take them too.
Lol Lebron needs to learn how to stfu.
If the teams were shrunk guess who gets the axe? Teams without fan attendence, i.e. the heat.
[QUOTE=Mr. Grieves]If the teams were shrunk guess who gets the axe? Teams without fan attendence, i.e. the heat.[/QUOTE]
The Heat sold out their games. Meaning people paid for their tickets in advance. A season ticket holder has the right to whether he wants to show up or not. Miami isn't some poor town, there is a lot of wealthy powerful people who live down there. Just cause the stands aren't packed doesn't mean they aren't doing well financially. And you can bet your ass when the games start to mean something, they will be there in full force.
I think it's a good idea, but I'm guessing this was LeBron's way of getting in a shot against Jay Z and the Nets. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Mr. Grieves]Lol [B]Lebron needs to learn how to stfu[/B].
If the teams were shrunk guess who gets the axe? Teams without fan attendence, i.e. the heat.[/QUOTE]
no he won't
He is queen james.
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Contraction is not the answer at all. Think about how many late draft picks have panned out. Just off the top of my head, Manu came late in the 2nd round. Monta Ellis was taken 40th overall. There's an endless list of stories like this, several of whom have even been mentioned in this thread. My point is a lot of these guys would not have even been given a chance in a smaller league. Smaller league means fewer opportunities for players to develop.
The actual solution is to get rid of guaranteed contracts. Think about how many players end up being absolute cancers to their teams after they land a massive contract. These teams end up keeping these expensive dudes around for no other reason than being committed to paying them a lot of money, even when there is better talent available. As it stands, if a GM makes a single mistake, it could take years to fix it. Years because you're not only stuck with a massive contract limiting your flexibility but said player is under performing while the guys you've surrounded him with waste away their primes.
There is absolutely no risk for the players today. You land your contract, you're getting it in full as long as you don't break any rules. There's no reason it should be that way. Now, I do think there should be protection for the players in case of injury. At the same time, the teams need some sort of protection from this as well. Otherwise you're going to continue to see situations like Houston and Yao. I use Houston as an example because they have an excellent GM who has drafted well and made smart trades (mostly) but is stuck in a situation he can do nothing about. Tens of millions being paid to Yao, while also consuming limited cap space.
Make the players responsible for performing and watch what happens. You won't have a Baron Davis showing up fat every fall if he knows he could be cut. Or a Rashard Lewis scoring 10 points a game shooting 30% from 3pt continuing to eat a max contract. I don't care how many teams you retract; if this system stays nothing gets better.
I wouldn't mind if the NBA contracted, but they would definitely have to upgrade the minor leagues. If the NBA's minor league was more established, then guys could actually develop and grow into decent players.
[QUOTE=DDensity]Make the players responsible for performing and watch what happens. You won't have a Baron Davis showing up fat every fall if he knows he could be cut. Or a Rashard Lewis scoring 10 points a game shooting 30% from 3pt continuing to eat a max contract. I don't care how many teams you retract; if this system stays nothing gets better.[/QUOTE]
Uhhh ...
Simple mathmatics.
Less teams, less players, less jobs ...
Forces players to improve and maintain their games.
:facepalm
[QUOTE=G-Funk]Lakers and Knicks will benefit the most from this[/QUOTE]
Actually, quite the opposite. The reason the Lakers have such a huge advantage is because of a watered down league. Because of their history, their location, and their success, they are more attractive of a destination for players, and have more ability to draw in top talent, so they are able to get better teams when lesser teams cannot.
I guess in the eighties there was no teams like the Nets and wolves, everybody was at least a .500 team and everyone made to the playoffs, so yes Lebron does have a point.
I agree with what he says. The whole socialist thinking in the NBA where they always want to spread the talent is crazy. Lets have a smaller league which obviously going to give us a better basketball product instead of seeing good players play with shit players. Like Garnett for example, dude was rotting in Timberwolves for years.
His logic is solid in this one, but in no way, shape, or form should he have used players' names or teams. He's too much of a lightning rod right now and just needs to shut his mouth. He just needs to ball and shut up.
I noticed last night he got booed - once again - on every possession. I thought to myself "if he's getting booed in Phoenix of all places, this guy's in trouble." Then I wake up and read this.
Dude just can't stop tripping himself - even on a point where he is 100% correct.
[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]The Heat sold out their games. Meaning people paid for their tickets in advance. A season ticket holder has the right to whether he wants to show up or not. Miami isn't some poor town, there is a lot of wealthy powerful people who live down there. Just cause the stands aren't packed doesn't mean they aren't doing well financially. And you can bet your ass when the games start to mean something, they will be there in full force.[/QUOTE]
It just means their fan base sucks.
I agree with LBJ but it will never happen.
Problem is, when does it end? People say "well Player X deserves to play on a good team" and then the teams end up get contracted, and then the teams get better, so some teams will still be worse, and player Y now deserves to be on a better team, so contract some other teams, etc... I don't disagree with perhaps a couple of small market teams, but there has to be a line.
Easily my favourite thing about the NBA is the fact that on any night a team can beat another one, and it still rings true. Yeah, so some teams win more often than others, but occasionally teams like OKC (and Portland, if it hadn't been screwed by injuries) pop up and become great teams through the draft - exactly the reason why the draft is how it is.
Way to throw your fellow employees under the bus, LBJ. Less jobs for everyone.
He wants an easier road to championship.:oldlol:
If this were a couple years ago I'd agree. But right now there's actually more superteams than usual, more than any year in the '80s, so it's all good. But I'm definitely worried what happens in maybe 5 years or so. Hopefully it won't be like it was in the early 2000s.
it'll never happen, but why can't we all agree he is 100% correct and we should respect the fact that he spoke the truth, as unpopular as that may be.
[QUOTE=PurpleChuck]He wants an easier road to championship.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Contraction would obviously make this harder not easier ... think.
Once again LeBron says something fairly non-controversial and completely obvious ... and everyone freaks the f*** out :oldlol:
Relax guys, he's no actually "The Chosen One"; he's just a good basketball player with some opinions. He can't actually contract teams on a whim :facepalm
[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]it'll never happen, but why can't we all agree he is 100% correct and we should respect the fact that he spoke the truth, as unpopular as that may be.[/QUOTE]
he said it would be better for the league. You mean the organization? Yes, it will likely turn a higher profit. As far as employees, including players it is much worst for them. there is less money in the pot for the same number of players, meaning less max contracts which trickles down.
Also, how far do you contract. If you really want it to be better for the league then it would prob need to be at least 4 teams. How do you pick those for teams.
[QUOTE=O.J A 6'4Mamba]I 100% agree with this. I have been saying the league is more watered down then ever many times.
Take the Grizzlies for example, OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay are so f****** talented, Marc Gasol is also very good, but the organization they play for is a joke, and they will continue to have sub 500 record year after year. Get rid of them and other crap teams. Combine crap teams from conferences like the Hornets and Grizzlies. Twolves and Kings
PG: Chris Paul
SG: OJ Mayo
SF: Rudy Gay
PF: David West
C: Marc Gasol
PG: Johnny Flynn
SG: Tyreke Evans
SF: Michael Beasley
PF: Kevin Love
C: DeMarcus Cousins
and let's start playing basketball[/QUOTE]
This is not good, it's only gonna kill the talent. 1 ball not enough touches for some of these players to flourish
[QUOTE=O.J A 6'4Mamba]I 100% agree with this. I have been saying the league is more watered down then ever many times.
Take the Grizzlies for example, OJ Mayo and Rudy Gay are so f****** talented, Marc Gasol is also very good, but the organization they play for is a joke, and they will continue to have sub 500 record year after year. Get rid of them and other crap teams. Combine crap teams from conferences like the Hornets and Grizzlies. Twolves and Kings
PG: Chris Paul
SG: OJ Mayo
SF: Rudy Gay
PF: David West
C: Marc Gasol
PG: Johnny Flynn
SG: Tyreke Evans
SF: Michael Beasley
PF: Kevin Love
C: DeMarcus Cousins
and let's start playing basketball[/QUOTE]
This is not good, it's only gonna kill the talent. 1 ball not enough touches for some of these players to flourish