Top 3 Power Forwards of All-Time

[QUOTE=Brunch@Five]that's simply wrong. I doubt that there has ever been a PF you could run your entire offense through better than Dirk. You don't even need a good PG for your offense to work. His pure presence on the court opens up opportunities for his teammates, not to mention that he's probably the best pick and roll big man to ever play the game.[/QUOTE]

[B]Barkley domianted the Mid Range Game and the Post like no other other than Shaq and is in the world of guys like Kareem, Wilt, McHale and Dantley inside

Barkley shooting 58.13% for 21.6 PPG onfor his Career is insane and only shooting 12.9 Two-Point FGAs

Play-Offs: the most doubled since Shaq he scored at 22.5 PPG on 55.13% FG shooting only 14.5 Two-Point FGAs PG

-Barkley Owned the Mid Range Game (like Bird he rarely jumped to shoot)
-Barkley Owned the Paint and Post Player
-Barkley`s game Needed Rule Change
-Barkley was Called the Zone Buster
-Barkley is the GOAT Post Spin Move Player (Presuscor of Shaq`s Black Tornados)
-Barkley Created More Ilegal Defenses than Any Player of his Era
-Barkley was Better at Attacking The Rim for Slam
-Barkley would Go Goast To Coast for Dunks or Easy Assists


Dirk is probably the 2nd Best PF as a Pure Offensive Player but with big separation compared to Barkley (those stats i say are true not just mi view)

Dirk shoots at 47.6 FG% Season
Dirk shoots at 46.6 FG% Season

Barkley never shot below 50% FG in the 2-Point Region but once in his crippled days

1-Barkley`s 2-Point FG% on 22 PPG is

58% (Season) and 55% (Play-Offs Season)

He did that 5-6 Times over 60% (and around 64% twice)

2-Only Player to Score 20 + PPG on 60% + 2-Point FG% in the last 19 Years Not Named Shaq

[url]http://www.rootzoo.com/articles/view...cs-Primer_3549[/url]

Putting it together: Offensive Rating. By now, you're probably impatient for a number that tells us how efficient a player is overall with the possessions that he uses, and the answer comes in the form of Dean Oliver's Offensive Rating (OR). The formula is a bit complicated to reproduce here (I refer you to Oliver's excellent Basketball on Paper for its full derivation), but it suffices to say that Offensive Rating provides a rating of how many points a player scores per 100 possessions that he uses while on the floor. The league's typical rating has varied throughout history, but today stands at around 107.

[COLOR="DarkRed"][U]The best OR belong to jump-shooting guards and, to a lesser extent, high-percentage post players. The career leaders are Steve Kerr (122.06), Reggie Miller (121.48), Magic Johnson (120.79), John Stockton (120.55), and Kiki Vandeweghe (119.49).[/U][/COLOR]

In general, the more possessions that a player uses, the lower we expect his OR to be, because player who use more possessions have to use more possessions in precarious situations.

[U]If a player has a high career Usage Rate and a high OR, that indicates that he is a monster on offense. Magic Johnson falls into this category, as does [COLOR="Blue"]Charles Barkley (119.31)[/COLOR], Adran Dantley (118.40), the incomparable Michael Jordan (who, with the highest career Usage Rate, had a career OR of 117.97, the 13th best in history), and [U]Dirk Nowitzki (117.80)[/U] [/U].

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/...tg_career.html[/url]

[U]Career Leaders and Records for Offensive Rating[/U]

NBA/ABA

Rank Player ORtg

1. Steve Kerr 122.06 (CG)
2. Reggie Miller 121.48 (SG)
3. Magic Johnson* 120.79 (PG-Point F)
4. John Stockton* 120.55 (PG)
5. Chris Paul 120.54 (PG)
6. Kiki Vandeweghe 119.49 (SF-SG)
7. Sidney Moncrief 119.40 (CG-PG)
[U][COLOR="blue"]8. Charles Barkley* 119.31 (PF)[/COLOR][/U]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ct_career.html[/url]

[U]Career Leaders and Records for True Shooting Pct[/U]

NBA/ABA

Rank Player TS%

1. Cedric Maxwell .6294
2. Artis Gilmore .6227
3. James Donaldson .6177
4. Adrian Dantley* .6166
5. Jeff Ruland .6152
6. Reggie Miller .6139
[COLOR="blue"][U]7. Charles Barkley* .6120 [/U][/COLOR]
8. Magic Johnson* .6095
9. John Stockton* .6081

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ct_career.html[/url]

[U]Career Leaders and Records for Effective Field Goal Pct[/U]

NBA/ABA

Rank Player eFG%

1. Artis Gilmore .5820
2. Shaquille O'Neal .5818
3. Mark West .5804
4. Steve Johnson .5722
5. Darryl Dawkins .5721
6. James Donaldson .5706
7. Brent Barry .5703
8. Dwight Howard .5679
9. Bo Outlaw .5678
10. Steve Kerr .5642
11. Jeff Ruland .5641
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .5595
13. Bobby Jones .5583
[COLOR="blue"][U]14. Charles Barkley* .5578[/U][/COLOR]
15. Kevin McHale* .5554

Dirk is a Better Three Point Shooter and that it
[/B]

[B][SIZE="3"]1.Charles Barkley

2.Karl Malone

3.Tim Duncan[/SIZE][/B]

then everybody else.

[B]Webber vs Dirk

As Good Rebounder
Better Creator or Passer
Better Defender
Better Shot Blocker or Stealer
Better All Around Player[/B]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Webber vs Dirk

As Good Rebounder
Better Creator or Passer
[B][COLOR="DarkOrange"]Better Defender[/COLOR][/B]
Better Shot Blocker or Stealer
Better All Around Player[/B][/QUOTE]


:no: You ever see Webber defend the post?

[QUOTE=gengiskhan][B][SIZE="3"]1.Charles Barkley

2.Karl Malone

3.Tim Duncan[/SIZE][/B]

then everybody else.[/QUOTE]


[B]Indeed :applause: [/B]

[B][SIZE="4"]1. Tim Duncan
2. Charles Barkley
3. Karl Malone
4. Kevin Garnett

Everyone else[/SIZE][/B]

[QUOTE=ImmortalD24][IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/otja4p.jpg[/IMG]

IMO.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki

And to think.. all three played in the same era, and at one point, the same conference (with Shaq and Kobe) ! 00's era! :bowdown:[/QUOTE]


two of those three swept the lakers :bowdown:

the other beat them in the finals :bowdown:

[QUOTE=D.J.]:no: You ever see Webber defend the post?[/QUOTE]

[B]Webber was above average Defending the Post infact he was GOOD

[U]Defensive Rating[/U]

2000-01 NBA 96.6 (10)
2001-02 NBA 97.8 (8)
2002-03 NBA 95.8 (6)
Career NBA 101.0 (66)

He was a Good Help Defender, Post Defender, Team Defender, Stealer and Shot Blocker (over 1.5 SPG and close or 2 BPG at times)

He was a Complete All Around Player: who also had great handles for a PF

Webber is probably the most underrated PF of All Time

I saw the NBA since 1991 and i do remember Webber from the time before he was passed his prime[/B]

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will][B][SIZE="4"]1. Tim Duncan
2. Charles Barkley
3. Karl Malone
4. Kevin Garnett

Everyone else[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]

[B]Agree there but Duncan only slightly above Barkley.

Peek vs Peek I`d go with Barkley[/B]

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will][B][SIZE="4"]1. Tim Duncan
2. Charles Barkley
3. Karl Malone
4. Kevin Garnett

Everyone else[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]
Precisely

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will][B][SIZE="4"]1. Tim Duncan
2. Charles Barkley
3. Karl Malone
4. Kevin Garnett

Everyone else[/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]
[SIZE="6"]KG
DUNCAN
MALONE
BARKLEY[/SIZE]
My letters are bigger so I'm right.

Bump.

[QUOTE=magnax1][SIZE="6"]KG
DUNCAN
MALONE
BARKLEY[/SIZE]
My letters are bigger so I'm right.[/QUOTE]
:cheers:

Still I'm glad Dirk and Kidd got the rings, about time :applause: It probably was their last chance.

Duncan clear cut best.

After that?

Pettit
Dirk
Malone
KG
Barkley

All debatable. No clear cut guy at all in that group.

[QUOTE=NBASTATMAN]two of those three swept the lakers :bowdown:

the other beat them in the finals :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
And Shaq/Kobe swept TD's ass and owned KG back in the 3peat:rolleyes:

What's ur point?

Anyway:
1.Tim Duncan
2.Dirk
3.KG

These are non-arguably the top 3.

[COLOR="Magenta"][SIZE="6"]#1 - KARL MALONE[/SIZE][/COLOR]

Garnet can't be in top 3.

He couldn't carry his team and teamed up with other greats to won a championship.He wasn't even finals MVP. How do you get your ring is matters.

Dirk has been carring his team for 13 years...He made his team one of the best teams in last decade. He reached finals and lost.He reached finals again and won.He won with 39 years old Kidd,Terry and Chandler.He won against Kobe's 2 time back to back champion Lakers..he won against Wade,Lebron,Bosh...

Thats even better than Hakeem's rings.

[B]1-Barkley
2-Duncan CF
3-Malone
4-Petit
5-Garnett
6-McHale
7-Dirk
8-Dolph
9-Hayes CF
10-Webber
[/B]

Dirk was borderline top 5, but he's gotta be top 5 now. He definitely surpasses McHale. My top 5 is:


1)Duncan
2)Barkley
3)Malone
4)Garnett
5)Dirk

1) Duncan
2) T-2 - Dirk (will surpass Malone with 2 more good years)
3) T-2- Malone
4) Barkley
5) Garnett
6) Petit
7) McHale