Ranking the best NBA small forwards, summer of 2011

[QUOTE=Clutch]What's actually the worst is the fact that Durant doesn't even have better stats

[B]Carmelo Anthony per 36 minutes:
25.8 PPG , 7.4 RPG , 2.9 APG .455 / .378 / .838

Kevin Durant per 36 minutes:
25.6 PPG , 6.3 RPG , 2.5 APG .462 / .350 / .880[/B]

If joyner wants to have stats battle then if we just look at stats Melo is a better rebounder,passer and 3-pt shooter while Durant is only better at shooting free-throws.
Unless you see his 0.7 % better field goal percentage as advantage :oldlol:

If you want to base your opinion on games you watched then Melo is better.
Much more versatile scorer,better rebounder,best game-winning shot maker since he entered the league...
Only advantage that Durant has is defense and I think that's arguable.

Tell me one reason why Durant is better than Melo and spare me TS % crap or similar things.[/QUOTE]
Lol.

Knicks WISH Carmelo Anthony could play more than 38 mpg. but... What if Kevin Durant shoot as much as Carmelo? He would score more. Kevin Durant is not even a good exemple of shot selection, and he is WAY MORE EFFICIENT than Melo. TS% and eFG% back up that, and also, FG% is not a very good metric since the three-point line was invented. If we compare Carmelo and Durant in scoring, Durant is much better, because he scores the same amount, being a much more efficient player. Comparing Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant as scorers, is like comparing Iverson and Kobe as scorers, like comparing DeMarcus Cousins and Nene as scorers.

Carmelo Anthony is a ball stopper. Every possession he has, he takes, dribble and isolate. He has a polished isolation game, but he does not come off screes and does not play good basketball off the ball. Kevin Durant is a much more balanced scorer also. His isolation game is not as good as Carmelo, but he is efficient playing that possession, and he uses the isolation much more often than Carmelo plays off the ball. So Kevin Durant is not more efficient as score, but he is more versatile when scoring. You know Carmelo will isolate to score his next bucket. But you don't know if Kevin Durant will isolate, will come off a screen, will cut, will pick and pop, will alley oop...

Also, Kevin Durant puts much more effort at defensive end, and has much more lenght that allow him to guard multiple positions, also, he has potential o be a much better defender than he is now, he just need to keep working that aspect of his game. He already is a decent defender,

Kevin Durant this year's playoffs was better than any playoffs version of Carmelo Anthony.

1. LeBron
2. 'Melo
3. Durant
4. Pierce
5. Gay
6. Granger
7. Igoudala
8. Deng
9. Wallace
10. Marion

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmello Anthony
4. Paul Pierce
5. ?? Gay? Granger? Iggy? Deng? Marion? Wallace?

[QUOTE=28renyoy]The top 3 in order are clearly

James
Durant
Anthony


anyone with any other order than that is a homer/hater, including those ranking Durant ahead of LeBron[/QUOTE]
Agreed

[QUOTE=JSmooth]josh smith[/QUOTE]
Power forward.

It becomes a complete crap-shoot after Durant, LeBron, Melo, Pierce. These guys are pretty much the consensus top four.

[QUOTE=pete's montreux]It becomes a complete crap-shoot after Durant, LeBron, Melo, Pierce. These guys are pretty much the consensus top four.[/QUOTE]
:wtf: I hope that wasn't in order...

[QUOTE=28renyoy]Gallo is a PF. Iguodala is a SG

Beasley, Turkoglu, Stephen Jackson, and Ariza are not better than Chandler.[/QUOTE]

Iguodala is a SF genius. You dont watch much bball I see. :facepalm

the only stat that matter is winning. thats why melo is not as efficient as durant because he is the one who scores when tough situation arises or the thing you called clutch. while durant is like lebron who scores more in the 1st quarter where defenses are not yet tight then leave it to westbrook when the going gets tough. durant and lebron are what you called statpadders while melo and kobe who are inefficient are the winners. melo-durant(11-1) melo-lebron(11-4). melo might be a first round exit but it was at the time when the elite teams(spurs, dallas, lakers, suns) are on its peak while durant made it to the conference finals because the elite ones are past their primes. its the same with lebron, he was on a weak conference. but still, even when he got underrated because of his first round exits, he still chooses to be in the east where teams are becoming better than the west. that shows the mental toughness of melo. this guy is a badass like kobe,jordan, bird. most badass have that killer instinct.while lebron, on the other hand, chose to team up with another top player.

[QUOTE=knicksman]the only stat that matter is winning. thats why melo is not as efficient as durant because he is the one who scores when tough situation arises or the thing you called clutch. while durant is like lebron who scores more in the 1st quarter where defenses are not yet tight then leave it to westbrook when the going gets tough. durant and lebron are what you called statpadders while melo and kobe who are inefficient are the winners. melo-durant(11-1) melo-lebron(11-4). melo might be a first round exit but it was at the time when the elite teams(spurs, dallas, lakers, suns) are on its peak while durant made it to the conference finals because the elite ones are past their primes. its the same with lebron, he was on a weak conference. but still, even when he got underrated because of his first round exits, he still chooses to be in the east where teams are becoming better than the west. that shows the mental toughness of melo. this guy is a badass like kobe,jordan, bird. most badass have that killer instinct.while lebron, on the other hand, chose to team up with another top player.[/QUOTE]

When someone thinks Melo is better than Durant, I begin to worry about them. When they think Melo is better than LeBron, I realize that they either a troll or just plain retarded.

[QUOTE=knicksman]the only stat that matter is winning. thats why melo is not as efficient as durant because he is the one who scores when tough situation arises or the thing you called clutch. while durant is like lebron who scores more in the 1st quarter where defenses are not yet tight then leave it to westbrook when the going gets tough. durant and lebron are what you called statpadders while melo and kobe who are inefficient are the winners. melo-durant(11-1) melo-lebron(11-4). melo might be a first round exit but it was at the time when the elite teams(spurs, dallas, lakers, suns) are on its peak while durant made it to the conference finals because the elite ones are past their primes. its the same with lebron, he was on a weak conference. but still, even when he got underrated because of his first round exits, he still chooses to be in the east where teams are becoming better than the west. that shows the mental toughness of melo. this guy is a badass like kobe,jordan, bird. most badass have that killer instinct.[B]while lebron, on the other hand, chose to team up with another top player[/B].[/QUOTE]
Didn't melo team up with amare? amare is not exactly scrub

[QUOTE=RRR3]When someone thinks Melo is better than Durant, I begin to worry about them. When they think Melo is better than LeBron, I realize that they either a troll or just plain retarded.[/QUOTE]

better for me is based on impact and not stats. stats are for kids or idiots like you. melo has better impact than lebron. and thats the reason why melo is 11-4 against lebron because of impact.

[QUOTE=ballerz]Didn't melo team up with amare? amare is not exactly scrub[/QUOTE]

he was forced to team up coz he wants to compete. i doubt melo is joining new york if lebron never did it first.

[QUOTE=knicksman]better for me is based on impact and not stats. stats are for kids or idiots like you. melo has better impact than lebron. and thats the reason why melo is 11-4 against lebron because of impact.[/QUOTE]

It's a team game you moron. You have to admit that LeBron>>>>>Kobe then, because LeBron is 10-5 against Kobe.

[QUOTE=knicksman]he was forced to team up coz he wants to compete. i doubt melo is joining new york if lebron never did it first.[/QUOTE]
He wasn't forced to join up with STAT. Before the trade deadline amare had made new york relevant again and melo demanded a trade there.

[QUOTE=ballerz]He wasn't forced to join up with STAT. Before the trade deadline amare had made new york relevant again and melo demanded a trade there.[/QUOTE]

it was also a factor but knicks was already his no. 1 destination even during before the start of the season. he wants to play in new york coz hes from there and he won in college at that place.

[QUOTE=RRR3]It's a team game you moron. You have to admit that LeBron>>>>>Kobe then, because LeBron is 10-5 against Kobe.[/QUOTE]




kobe has rings idiot. this is a comparison between players who have no rings. its a team game but its hard for players to be happy playing around a statpadder thats why lebron hasnt produced an all star in cleveland except for mo williams. who was chosen btw as a replacement and not because of stats but because they have the best record. he stayed in cleveland for 7 yrs and cant produce any.

shaq, dirk, duncan produced multiple all stars thats why their teams became contenders in just their 2nd yr or 3rd yrs. while lebron made all stars like sczerbiak, hughes, jamison, ilgauskas, wallace scrubs. players also wants to have good stats so they can get good contracts but if theyre playing with lebron, they cant get those stats so they are unhappy. if theyre unhappy, they are unwilling to work with lebron.

its the same with Oscar Robertson(aka the greatest statpadder of all time) he has good stats but players are unhappy playing with them. thats why hes the only top 10 with no rings as the man. compared to russell who played according to his role. he prefers team play and camaraderie thats why he won 11 rings. players are happy playing with him because he doesnt compete for stats. so dont give me that sht that its a team game coz its lebron who doesnt want to play team game idiot.

melos team was always considered talented. is it really talented or its because melo is a team player who doesnt compete with his teammates roles?

as jordan and shaq said, "the day i stopped worrying about stats is the day I started winning"

its the day when pippen and kobe became great players. jordan stats before that season, 30 8rpg 8apg. lebron like but no rings and thats the path of lebron too if he doesnt change.

can't believe someone is trying to argue melo being better than lebron, melo isn't even a consensus top ten player in the league.

[QUOTE=Thescore53]can't believe someone is trying to argue melo being better than lebron, melo isn't even a consensus top ten player in the league.[/QUOTE]

LeBron gets worse every day in some people's minds, apparently. Next they'll be saying Hedo Turkoglu>LeBron.

[QUOTE=Thescore53]can't believe someone is trying to argue melo being better than lebron, melo isn't even a consensus top ten player in the league.[/QUOTE]

its because idiots like you overrate statpadders. but of course idiots dont have enough IQ to analyze things more deeply so they only look at stats. its the reason why pierce get underrated but who got the ring in just his first year?lebron and wade top 2 players yet cant win while pierce and allen can. LOL damn theres so many idiots in this board.

[QUOTE=knicksman]its because idiots like you overrate statpadders. but of course idiots dont have enough IQ to analyze things more deeply so they only look at stats. its the reason why pierce get underrated but who got the ring in just his first year?lebron and wade top 2 players yet cant win while pierce and allen can. LOL damn theres s[B]o many idiots in this[/B] board.[/QUOTE]
Like...you?

[QUOTE=knicksman]its because idiots like you overrate statpadders. but of course idiots dont have enough IQ to analyze things more deeply so they only look at stats. its the reason why pierce get underrated but who got the ring in just his first year?lebron and wade top 2 players yet cant win while pierce and allen can. LOL damn theres so many idiots in this board.[/QUOTE]

i honestly don't care what you think of lebron im not a heat fan its just funny how some people are saying melo is better dude isn't even the second best sf in the nba, i agree pierce is definitely underrated i feel like he's better than melo sometimes.

you can't even use the winning card for melo because he's a perennial first round flop except for one season.

[QUOTE=Thescore53]i honestly don't care what you think of lebron im not a heat fan its just funny how some people are saying melo is better dude isn't even the second best sf in the nba, i agree pierce is definitely underrated i feel like he's better than melo sometimes.

you can't even use the winning card for melo because he's a perennial first round flop except for one season.[/QUOTE]

if lebron is really that much better then how come melo is 11-4 against lebron. and of course idiots like you would say he was a perennial first round exit because you dont have the analytic skills to determine how lebron would fare if he was on the west. im a genius so i know he would also be a first round exit and would even missed the playoffs in some of those seasons. Tmac is even worse than melo yet hes considered a top 3 player.LOL if you really have all around stats, you really are overrated by idiots here. just like garnett who was a perennial first round exit too but a top 3 player coz of stats. and worse is that hes a big man while melo is a perimeter player yet they have almost the same impact when he was with minnesota.

its not that lebron is soooo good its just melo isn't that good he's definitely overrated funny some people consider the guy a superstar, he's lazy, defense is non existent durant is already better than him. and lol @ you using meaningless regular season games. i never said anything about stats dont know why you keep bringing that up.

[QUOTE=knicksman]kobe has rings idiot. this is a comparison between players who have no rings. its a team game but its hard for players to be happy playing around a statpadder thats why lebron hasnt produced an all star in cleveland except for mo williams. who was chosen btw as a replacement and not because of stats but because they have the best record. he stayed in cleveland for 7 yrs and cant produce any.

shaq, dirk, duncan produced multiple all stars thats why their teams became contenders in just their 2nd yr or 3rd yrs. while lebron made all stars like sczerbiak, hughes, jamison, ilgauskas, wallace scrubs. players also wants to have good stats so they can get good contracts but if theyre playing with lebron, they cant get those stats so they are unhappy. if theyre unhappy, they are unwilling to work with lebron.

its the same with Oscar Robertson(aka the greatest statpadder of all time) he has good stats but players are unhappy playing with them. thats why hes the only top 10 with no rings as the man. compared to russell who played according to his role. he prefers team play and camaraderie thats why he won 11 rings. players are happy playing with him because he doesnt compete for stats. so dont give me that sht that its a team game coz its lebron who doesnt want to play team game idiot.

melos team was always considered talented. is it really talented or its because melo is a team player who doesnt compete with his teammates roles?

as jordan and shaq said, "the day i stopped worrying about stats is the day I started winning"

its the day when pippen and kobe became great players. jordan stats before that season, 30 8rpg 8apg. lebron like but no rings and thats the path of lebron too if he doesnt change.[/QUOTE]

lebron is a player that is considered to make those around him better melo not so much some even call him a black hole.

[QUOTE=Thescore53]lebron is a player that is considered to make those around him better melo not so much some even call him a black hole.[/QUOTE]

LOL at lebron making his teammates better. how many all stars he produced? 1 and was only selected as a replacement and only because cleveland having the best record but only 1 all star. how many all stars that became scrubs playing along lebron. maybe 4 while melo made iverson and billups preserved their star status and when iverson got traded to detroit, he became a scrub.

and whats really the definition of making your teammates better. teaching your teammates how to play the game or let them stand in the corner or wait for the pass from lebron. LOL no one wants to play like that. like standing in the corner and waits for a pass. every player wants to have a role. it maybe rebounder, defender, passer, etc. but if you have a selfish player like lebron who wants to take all the roles then its hard for other players to be happy playing with him.

its the same with oscar robertson, he passes but if hes really unselfish then players should be wanting to play with him but the opposite is true. thats why he was unsuccessful with those stats of his. but of course idiots think he makes his teammates better and is unselfish because of the assists. LOL

selfish players wants to score more than 30 but because they will be called selfish if they score more, then they convert those points over 30 into assists so they still have stats although not in points anymore. and the idiots are fooled that these guys arent selfish because they are assisting.LOL

lebron passes so people thinks hes unselfish but hes personality shows the opposite. so dont give me that sht that hes unselfish coz he wont be the most hated right now due to his SELFISH acts.

[QUOTE=Thescore53]its not that lebron is soooo good its just melo isn't that good he's definitely overrated funny some people consider the guy a superstar, he's lazy, defense is non existent durant is already better than him. and lol @ you using meaningless regular season games. i never said anything about stats dont know why you keep bringing that up.[/QUOTE]

its because if you are a genius and have analytical skills, you would realize that scoring is the most difficult aspect of this game. so it means that it requires the highest amount of IQ. and if you are a genius, you would rank players not based on stats but based on IQ. if melo, dirk, pierce, kobe are the best scorers in this league then that means that these guys have the highest IQ and its the reason why they won the last 4 chips. players like lebron, who have lower IQ than these guys because he is not among the best scorers, need to statpad to fool the fans that hes one of the high IQs/best players in the league. while pierce just didnt care about defense and rankings by idiots until he had the help on his team. and now if lebron is really that good, then how come he cant win with superior players than pierce?

its really just like math. math requires the highest amount of IQ. if youre dumb in math then in order to fool other people that you have a high IQ, you focus on getting good grades on easier subjects or the statpadding in basketball. Defense, passing, rebounding requires lesser IQ than scoring so if melo wants to pass, rebound, defend, he can easily do it coz hes IQ is more than enough to do those things.

only idiots thinks durant is better than melo. LOL dirk pierce, and kobe are the best iso scorers and so is melo and they won the chip so until durant becomes a good iso scorer then theres still no comparison. iso scoring>>>>>>>off the ball.

wait you think durant can't score of iso situations? he's wasn't back to back scoring champ for nothing he scores better and more efficently than the chuck artist know as carmelo.

scoring=high iq? i guess monta ellis has one of the highest basketball iq's

lebron isn't among the best scorers? thats why he scores more points than your boy melo and does it much much more efficiently? mello is the one doing the stat padding loook at his scoring efficiency dude is a stright chucker. matter of fact he's just a taller monta ellis.

Lebron
Durant
Melo
Granger
Rudy Gay
Paul pierce
Gwallace
Deng
Wchandler
Iggy

[QUOTE=Thescore53]wait you think durant can't score of iso situations? he's wasn't back to back scoring champ for nothing he scores better and more efficently than the chuck artist know as carmelo.

scoring=high iq? i guess monta ellis has one of the highest basketball iq's

lebron isn't among the best scorers? thats why he scores more points than your boy melo and does it much much more efficiently? mello is the one doing the stat padding loook at his scoring efficiency dude is a stright chucker. matter of fact he's just a taller monta ellis.[/QUOTE]

a statpadder genius is the one who wants to have good stats rather than a player who attempts difficult shots just to have his team having a chance to win. difficult shots means lower efficiency but at least your team has a chance to win. dirk did it in the finals while lebron didnt to protect his stats. he rather statpad by getting a triple double and doesnt attempt to shoot so hes efficiency wont go down. while dirk never cared about stats or efficiency and continued to shoot so his team can win. LOL youre an idiot to the highest level man. the finals have shown who is the statpadder and still you think lebron is not a statpadder. hahaha what an idiot you are. go back to school and ask your teacher how to increase your IQ. its the reason why kobe won multiple chips while being inefficient while your boy lebron didnt. and second melo had more wins than your boy lebron, its just that melo have played in the west so it looks like lebron had more but only for idiots who dont have analytic skills like you.

and monta is like lebron who is a statpadder where players doesnt want to play with him. he wants to playmake and at the same time score. thats why he had never been successful.

and of course youre an idiot if you think making those tough shots isnt important. when time comes that you are facing great defenses, you will be rendered useless like lebron if youre not capable of making those tough shots while kobe and dirk can still score because they are capable of making those tough shots. thats why melo right now is better than durant because melo is up there with kobe and dirk of being capable of making those tough shots idiot.

when the knicks got melo i said to myself watch knick fans try to overate him like bulls fans do derrick rose, atleast rose is a superstar while melo isn't even top ten. this guy only plays one side of the floor. i don't care what you say about lebron and no he isn't my boy and i know he's overrated choke artist, keep homering it up, one thing i will never allow myself to become as a sports fan is a homer.

lets just watch knicks this year and if your boy is as good as you say he is he should have no problem having his team be a top 3 team and reach the conf. finals.

and never said bron isn't a statpadder he obviously is one there is a reason he's always in during the 4th in blowouts.

[QUOTE=Thescore53]
and never said bron isn't a statpadder he obviously is one there is a reason he's always in during the 4th in blowouts.[/QUOTE]

You probably didn't watch a lot of 2010 Cavs did you?

[QUOTE=Thescore53]when the knicks got melo i said to myself watch knick fans try to overate him like bulls fans do derrick rose, atleast rose is a superstar while melo isn't even top ten. this guy only plays one side of the floor. i don't care what you say about lebron and no he isn't my boy and i know he's overrated choke artist, keep homering it up, one thing i will never allow myself to become as a sports fan is a homer.

lets just watch knicks this year and if your boy is as good as you say he is he should have no problem having his team be a top 3 team and reach the conf. finals.

and never said bron isn't a statpadder he obviously is one there is a reason he's always in during the 4th in blowouts.[/QUOTE]

LOL amare and melo are both better than rose. rose is another iverson. pure stats but less impact. hes in the same mold as lebron, iverson, francis, marbury. statpadders who reduces the effectiveness of teammates. but of course you think iverson is better than melo and amare coz you like flash/highlights and stats same with carter.

loooolll! you're such a homer, you actually think amare is better than both iverson and rose, melo and amare are probably top 5 players to you whats next billups is the best pg in the nba.

[QUOTE=Thescore53]loooolll! you're such a homer, you actually think amare is better than both iverson and rose, melo and amare are probably top 5 players to you whats next billups is the best pg in the nba.[/QUOTE]

if iverson really is better then how come his only success is when he made it to the finals and other than that, what has he done. This game is still about 1 on 1 even if there are 10 players on the court. And Amare can beat rose and iverson in a 1 on 1 game. Thats the reason why score first pgs cant win in this league because they are the easiest to stop while big men are the hardest to stop.

I believe that unstoppability is the most important factor in judging who is the best and not stats or the players who will win in a 1 on 1 game. Thats why dirk beats 2 statpadders even if he doesnt rebound, pass, defend because he is the most unstoppable in the league. And thats the reason why i rank melo the best sf because of unstoppability factor and amare is really the same as dirk when it comes to unstoppability.

Youre pretending amare is like chris bosh who only made it to the playoffs twice before joining miami. This is a guy that made phoenix contenders in his stay there whereas iverson only has made his team contender once. And as for rose, can he maintain it? Until his team regularly wins 50+ then thats the time you compare him to Amare. All I know is that this bulls team is almost the same as those sixers team that regressed after they went to the finals.

[QUOTE=knicksman]if iverson really is better then how come his only success is when he made it to the finals and other than that, what has he done. This game is still about 1 on 1 even if there are 10 players on the court. And Amare can beat rose and iverson in a 1 on 1 game. Thats the reason why score first pgs cant win in this league because they are the easiest to stop while big men are the hardest to stop.

I believe that unstoppability is the most important factor in judging who is the best and not stats or the players who will win in a 1 on 1 game. Thats why dirk beats 2 statpadders even if he doesnt rebound, pass, defend because he is the most unstoppable in the league. And thats the reason why i rank melo the best sf because of unstoppability factor and amare is really the same as dirk when it comes to unstoppability.

Youre pretending amare is like chris bosh who only made it to the playoffs twice before joining miami. This is a guy that made phoenix contenders in his stay there whereas iverson only has made his team contender once. And as for rose, can he maintain it? Until his team regularly wins 50+ then thats the time you compare him to Amare. All I know is that this bulls team is almost the same as those sixers team that regressed after they went to the finals.[/QUOTE]

Your posts basically all follow this pattern:
WAHHHH!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: WeBwon is bedda den Mewo! WAHHHH!!:cry: I'm so butthurt I'm going to say Mewo is bedda even doe it not twoo! duh-uh!

[QUOTE=RRR3]Your posts basically all follow this pattern:
WAHHHH!!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: WeBwon is bedda den Mewo! WAHHHH!!:cry: I'm so butthurt I'm going to say Mewo is bedda even doe it not twoo! duh-uh![/QUOTE]

until lebron can beat melo 1 on 1, im not butthurt. Im not a kid anymore who thinks stats is all that matters. When I was a kid, I thought oscar robertson was great until I found out that he has no rings as the man:oldlol: . So until lebron wins a ring, hes another oscar for me. Not a threat.

[QUOTE=knicksman]until lebron can beat melo 1 on 1, im not butthurt. Im not a kid anymore who thinks stats is all that matters. When I was a kid, I thought oscar robertson was great until I found out that he has no rings as the man:oldlol: . So until lebron wins a ring, hes another oscar for me. Not a threat.[/QUOTE]
At least lbj has gotten close. What has melo done? Lol

[QUOTE=RRR3]At least lbj has gotten close. What has melo done? Lol[/QUOTE]

close because hes playing in a weak eastern conference?:oldlol: or he teamed up with 2 top players? lebron homers are cheap. they have low pride. But of course its expected. Low IQ= Low pride. Im sure theyre willing to work as housemaids coz thats all their IQ can do.

[QUOTE=knicksman]close because hes playing in a weak eastern conference?:oldlol: or he teamed up with 2 top players? lebron homers are cheap. they have low pride. But of course its expected. Low IQ= Low pride. Im sure theyre willing to work as housemaids coz thats all their IQ can do.[/QUOTE]
Wow. You're a terrible troll. Why couldn't Melo win a single game in the "weak" eastern conference against a team LeBron embarassed?:roll: :roll: