Sons of Anarchy Season 4

The episode was really bad but was rescued by the ending part. I seriously hope Clay goes out of the picture, although he is a major character I just dont see how can he stay in power and alive after all the shit he has pulled. Another issue I have with how the things are going is that the AUSA guy is going to take down a major Cartel and High level IRA management along with Sons and prolly Mayans only by playing a race card on Juice? Otto's confessions are not even relevant to the main case, he just pulled it off as a last nail on the Sons' coffin.

[QUOTE=dunksby]Another issue I have with how the things are going is that the AUSA guy is going to take down a major Cartel and High level IRA management along with Sons and prolly Mayans only by playing a race card on Juice? Otto's confessions are not even relevant to the main case
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Damn! I had to get my carpet cleaned last night and was without the internet last night and today so far. I just got it back.

What does everyone think? I think Clay survives. There's just no way this show can go 3 more seasons without Ron Perlman unless Sutter brings in some other badass actors to replace the ones they're going to lose this season. I think Clay survives but obviously can't lead the club so this forces Jax to stay in Charming and lead SAMCRO while Clay recovers.

Edit: I love Potter. He's my favorite character on the show this season. I just love how weird he is and really hope it's revealed there's a bigger mystery to him. I know Sutter said it was just a coincidence that Potter looks sorta like JT but I think/hope that Potter really does have a connection with the club some how. He seemed almost concerned when he saw everyone ratting on each other. Oh and now it seems like he's interested in looking at Hale/Charming Heights and seems like he wants to stop it.

It looked like Clay was pretty dead on the previews for next week.

[QUOTE=dunksby]The episode was really bad but was rescued by the ending part.[/QUOTE]

:wtf:

That entire episode had me sitting on the edge of my seat. I loved it.

I thought it was great. It reminded me of the old Sopranoes pace where they'd do a major kill the second to last week. Chris Moltasante, Joe Pantaleone. They had a habit of it almost as a design to catch you off guard.

I would agree that it seems impossible for the show to continue with any sort of success without not just Pearlman as an actor, but without Clay as a character. He's been far too responsible for stirring the pot. But because of how it went down, a rift between Opie and Jax could replace the one between Clay and Jax. It would be a struggle for Jax to find the balance between whatever good was in his relationship with Clay, and resolving that with knowing what he did to Opie. All while still digging at the truth between Clay and his actual father JT. There's a lot to cover still in their main story. But they will need to figure out something to help along the episode to episode stories without Clay as a central figure.

I predict that once Otto learns from Bobby that Bobby killed Luann's murderer, that Otto will off himself. They need Otto's actual testimony in court. The signed documents are not enough. Piney, Half-Sack, Kozi and Miles dead. Juice and Bobby locked up. Clay at the very least seriously wounded. By the end of the last season I predict everyone involved in the club will be dead except for Gemma and Jax's 2 boys.

I think Clay survives but this takes him out of the club at least for a while. Jax, Opie, Tig, Juice and Chibbs will probably all survive. There are 3 more seasons.

It will be very interesting to see who Sutter brings in next season to replace the Sons that have been taken out this season. I hope he brings in some good actors especially if Clay didn't survive.

I think this season ends with a HUGE shoot out between the Cartel, the feds, SAMCRO and the IRA. Sutter may even have it end where we don't know if any of SAMCRO that are there did survive.

Plus, I really want to see Danny Trejo f*ck sh*t up.

Didn't like this episode. Not enough build up to Clay's demise and Opie's grief and anger seemed a bit forced. Perhaps it's because we haven't seen this since he lost Donna in Season 1.

Judging by the previews and Jax's yelling out to call the police, I think Clay survives. It would be stupid for Sutter to eliminate one of his lead characters in such a cheap anti-climactic way.

That's why I think Clay survives. I think he'll recover from this and come back stronger and then Jax and Opie together will have to come up with a plan to take him out. Clay will probably rebuild trust with other members of SAMCRO especially Tig or bring in new members that will watch his back.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]That's why I think Clay survives. I think he'll recover from this and come back stronger and then Jax and Opie together will have to come up with a plan to take him out. Clay will probably rebuild trust with other members of SAMCRO especially Tig or bring in new members that will watch his back.[/QUOTE]

I agree, Clay survives this attack. Gemma warned Clay that Opie was looking for him and knew about Piney and Opie shot Clay in the chest not the head which makes you think that Clay most likely had a bulletproof vest on and will be injured but survive this.

Whatever happens to Clay I don't see him resuming his role as SAMCRO Pres. I think they will at least drag his character into next season. It's possbile Clay goes to jail so the club has to wait to kill him or he goes on the run and Jax and opie chase him down, or it's possible he jumps chapters and maybe goes to Tacoma or Tucson or Indian Hills. Tucson just lost their Pres and if Clay went to that chapter he could even still keep up dealing with the cartel.

Does Jax shoot Opie?

[QUOTE=NBAller]Does Jax shoot Opie?[/QUOTE]

I didn't see Jax shoot Opie, he seemed to just freeze and stare at opie and then run to Clay.

I wonder if anything will happen involving Jax and his parole considering he pulled a hit and run and GTA in the middle of town with like a dozen witnesses lol.

Crazy ending. I think Clay probably survives but who knows. Opie is a great character tho I'm glad the conflict came to a head around him and not Jax.

[QUOTE=dkmwise]I didn't see Jax shoot Opie, he seemed to just freeze and stare at opie and then run to Clay.[/QUOTE]

Right. He didn't pull the trigger in that episode, so I was looking for peoples opinions on whether he does it or not. After all, he did ask Opie not to shoot Clay so he's not forced to shoot him, then Opie shot Clay.

[QUOTE=NBAller]Right. He didn't pull the trigger in that episode, so I was looking for peoples opinions on whether he does it or not. After all, he did ask Opie not to shoot Clay so he's not forced to shoot him, then Opie shot Clay.[/QUOTE]

I don't think he shoots him. I'm actually surprised he attempted to protect Clay in the first place.

[QUOTE=Jailblazers7]I wonder if anything will happen involving Jax and his parole considering he pulled a hit and run and GTA in the middle of town with like a dozen witnesses lol.

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Nah that kinda shit goes unnoticed in the eyes of the law. LOL if I lived in Charming or the surrounding area, I'd be moving the hell out. Sons, Mayans, Niners, Mexican Cartels...:oldlol:

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]I think Clay survives but this takes him out of the club at least for a while. Jax, Opie, Tig, Juice and Chibbs will probably all survive.[B][U] There are 3 more seasons.[/U][/B]

It will be very interesting to see who Sutter brings in next season to replace the Sons that have been taken out this season. I hope he brings in some good actors especially if Clay didn't survive.

I think this season ends with a HUGE shoot out between the Cartel, the feds, SAMCRO and the IRA. Sutter may even have it end where we don't know if any of SAMCRO that are there did survive.[/QUOTE]

this is a fact?

[QUOTE=Lakerlove420]this is a fact?[/QUOTE]

It's already been announced that it was picked up for a 5th season and Kurt Sutter said he has 7 seasons planned out.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]It's already been announced that it was picked up for a 5th season and Kurt Sutter said he has 7 seasons planned out.[/QUOTE]

:cheers: I did not know that..
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The preview for this week's episode looks awsome.

In the words of Bart Scott, 'Can't wait.'

Tara is one crazy b****.

Damn.. I don't want Clay gone. It'll be weird being without clay for two seasons..

Tig will cost a few lives no doubt. Hopefully tig stays also..

Don't know what to make of these last two episodes. I never thought Jax would find out the truth in a more anti-climactic way. Only thing I can think of is that Sutter is throwing us a curve ball, and the season finale has Clay telling Jax that it was Gemma all along that had John killed. Gemma seemed cold and heartless in this last episode, so maybe she's trying to manipulate the men in her life again.

Remember, she removed the letters that incriminated herself and Unser. So she's still keeping something from Jax.

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Don't know what to make of these last two episodes. I never thought Jax would find out the truth in a more anti-climactic way. Only thing I can think of is that Sutter is throwing us a curve ball, and the season finale has Clay telling Jax that it was Gemma all along that had John killed. Gemma seemed cold and heartless in this last episode, so maybe she's trying to manipulate the men in her life again.

Remember, she removed the letters that incriminated herself and Unser. So she's still keeping something from Jax.[/QUOTE]
I think it was during the first season when the same argument is raised up and Clay hints at Gemma being an accomplice in the assassination? Gemma says something along the lines of "John was a coward, he had to go" or something like that.

Patrick, I think it wasn't supposed to be that big of a scene because Jax is only learning some of the truth. Gemma took out a couple of pages and I think there's even more truth to be told than what's in those letters. I think Gemma had a lot more to do with what happened to J.T. than has been revealed so far. I don't think she just stood by and let Clay do everything. I think Sutter is setting up Gemma to be the ultimate villain in this show. I wouldn't be surprised if next week Gemma takes out or tries to take out Tara and make it look like it was the Cartel.

I still think Clay makes it out of this season. He survived the gun shots, I think something happens and Jax changes his mind or maybe Tig walks in and stops it from happening and they run off and join another charter of the Sons. Ron Perlman is just too good of an actor and he'll be missed a lot with 3 more seasons.

It's obvious now that one of the big wars that will take place after this season is going to be SAMCRO and the Niners. Tig just started a war with what he did.

There's only one more episode left and there's still so much they need to tie up. It's going to be really hard to do that in an hour. I know Sutter won't wrap up everything this season but I want to see some things get wrapped up. Sutter could have easily done an 18 episode season.

Oh and that the fat prospect is becoming one of my new favorites. I loved the scene with the cereal where Jax found him eating that huge bowl of cereal and goes "Need a bigger bowl?" "I like cereal". He seems so out of place that it's just hilarious now.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]
Oh and that the fat prospect is becoming one of my new favorites. I loved the scene with the cereal where Jax found him eating that huge bowl of cereal and goes "Need a bigger bowl?" "I like cereal". He seems so out of place that it's just hilarious now.[/QUOTE]

Goddamnit LOL you have no idea how badly I want that guy to get nailed in the line of fire in one of these episodes. He is beyond out of place, and I know Sutter is getting a good laugh out of this knowing how a majority of viewers dislike him. Bastard. LOL.

Has he even picked up a gun this season? Besides the one he picked up to blow his brains out?

I think he shot one of the Cartel guys who shot up Teller-Morrow earlier this season.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC] I wouldn't be surprised if next week Gemma takes out or tries to take out Tara and make it look like it was the Cartel. [/QUOTE]

I was really wondering last night if Tata gets killed before the end of the season just becuase I can't see where her character and story line with Jax goes. I don't see anything changing Tata or Jax's mind on getting out of town with their family. It's possible Jax decides to stay but Tara will not embrace staying and I can;t see her leaving and Jax staying and then getting into some bitter custody dispute story line, that would not interest anyone. So only thing I can see if Tara being killed and then next season Jax goes for revenge. Also they could then add Wendy back in if she and Jax get back together.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]I still think Clay makes it out of this season. He survived the gun shots, I think something happens and Jax changes his mind or maybe Tig walks in and stops it from happening and they run off and join another charter of the Sons. Ron Perlman is just too good of an actor and he'll be missed a lot with 3 more seasons.[/QUOTE]

I could definetly see Clay joining another charter and still being involved in the show. I was actually surprised to see Tig forgive Clay so quickly.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]Oh and that the fat prospect is becoming one of my new favorites. I loved the scene with the cereal where Jax found him eating that huge bowl of cereal and goes "Need a bigger bowl?" "I like cereal". He seems so out of place that it's just hilarious now.[/QUOTE]

I hate all the prospects they've had except for half-sac. None of them have even a little bit of bad-ass to them, they are all too meek to become bikers.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]I think he shot one of the Cartel guys who shot up Teller-Morrow earlier this season.[/QUOTE]

Thats true, when they drove in there he actually did shoot one of them

Gemma is not going to take out Tara. While she is tough and manipulative, she is also overly protective of her family and isn't gonna take out her Jax's wife just because she is manipulating Jax. Tara will live to see another season. It just wouldn't make sense to kill her off after all they have gone through in the past few seasons. Jax going back to ****ing random broads isn't a productive story line.

Clay on the other hand, has repeatedly committed reckless, stupid acts and as of recently, tried to kill his sons wife. There is no conceivable story-line where him and Jax can co-exist.

We all know that the beef with the Niners is going to be a big part of the plot next season. Next step is finding out how Clay dies, Lincoln Potters intentions and identity, and how the Cartel/IRA deal goes down. I guess you could also include the Otto/Bobby/Juice situation, and the land deal in things that we might see expanded upon but in reality, they dont have enough time to go too deep into all of these issues.

[QUOTE=statman32] Next step is finding out how Clay dies, Lincoln Potters intentions and identity, and how the Cartel/IRA deal goes down. I guess you could also include the Otto/Bobby/Juice situation, and the land deal in things that we might see expanded upon but in reality, they dont have enough time to go too deep into all of these issues.[/QUOTE]

All good questions.

One other thing I left that episode wondering is what is Romeo planning? He went through his contacts in Stockton and told Jax that Otto didn't make any deal. It was pretty obvious that Romeo was lying, but why? Did he just not want the meet to be stopped and he's not worried about law enforcement or is he trying to set up the club or set up the Irish?

[QUOTE=dkmwise]All good questions.

One other thing I left that episode wondering is what is Romeo planning? He went through his contacts in Stockton and told Jax that Otto didn't make any deal. It was pretty obvious that Romeo was lying, but why? Did he just not want the meet to be stopped and he's not worried about law enforcement or is he trying to set up the club or set up the Irish?[/QUOTE]



I think that's the main point. Romeo will come to eliminate the club now that he knows they've been the inline to a federal case being run against him. Jax will somehow fight his way out of the ambush next week. And then they'll use that us against the world mentality to try build conflict between keeping the Sons together and Jax and or Opie taking off. With Jax, Opie, Tig, Clay, and Bobbie all not really getting along one war or another, they'll all have to come together for the good of the club to keep them all out of prison from whatever Potter has on them now, and that will be the heart of the drama next year.

I just read that Sutter is using a cover song of "House of the Rising Sun" in the finale. So you know sh*t is going to get crazy.

[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]I just read that Sutter is using a cover song of "House of the Rising Sun" in the finale. So you know sh*t is going to get crazy.[/QUOTE]

Sutter is a genius when it comes to the soundtrack for this show

If Sutter is using it like Scorsese does it only means one thing: bloodbath.

bump .:rockon:

I finally realize where I recognized Potter from.

He's the reverend in Deadwood.

That had been driving me crazy.

Season finale just minutes away!! :rockon: