Wilt's Tall Tales

[QUOTE=DKLaker][B]I know right.....I was at every Lakers home game in the 60's[/B], saw all these guys play and it is a complete and utter joke to try to compare them to the players of today......the great players were truly great....but there were a ton of scrubs and he skills and especially the athleticism.....with few big exceptions was very pahetic. Jeez, I almost sh!t myself when Westbrook threw down that dunk, the first thing I thought was a PG in the 60's and 70's couldn't even dream of throwing down a dunk like that, wow has the game really changed!!!

Wilt was an absolute freak of nature way ahead of his time.
It amazes me tho that Elgin Baylor gets no mention on here.....career 27.5 points, 13.5 boards, 4 assists. Averaged 38ppg and 19rpg in one season, scored 71 points in a game......Kobe had to WORK to beat that one.......and had 61 in a playoff game....still the most in a regulation playoff game, Jordan's 63 was in double OT. Oh and Baylor had 22 boards in the 61 point game.
He also kept the Lakers franchise from going under......can you even imagine that?
Baylor is #4 with 87 40+ point games........there was NO 3 POINT LINE WHEN HE PLAYED!!!!!!! OR maybe he would've scored 100!!!

We need some love for Elgin Baylor :bowdown:[/QUOTE]


:roll:

[QUOTE=DKLaker]I know right.....I was at every Lakers home game in the 60's, saw all these guys play and it is a complete and utter joke to try to compare them to the players of today......the great players were truly great....but there were a ton of scrubs and he skills and especially the athleticism.....with few big exceptions was very pahetic. Jeez, I almost sh!t myself when Westbrook threw down that dunk, the first thing I thought was a PG in the 60's and 70's couldn't even dream of throwing down a dunk like that, wow has the game really changed!!!

Wilt was an absolute freak of nature way ahead of his time.
It amazes me tho that Elgin Baylor gets no mention on here.....career 27.5 points, 13.5 boards, 4 assists. Averaged 38ppg and 19rpg in one season, scored 71 points in a game......Kobe had to WORK to beat that one.......and had 61 in a playoff game....still the most in a regulation playoff game, Jordan's 63 was in double OT. Oh and Baylor had 22 boards in the 61 point game.
He also kept the Lakers franchise from going under......can you even imagine that?
Baylor is #4 with 87 40+ point games........there was NO 3 POINT LINE WHEN HE PLAYED!!!!!!! OR maybe he would've scored 100!!!

We need some love for Elgin Baylor :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
wait 60s' LA home game?

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]wait 60s' LA home game?[/QUOTE]

Yeah......I'm old.
The Lakers moved to LA in 1960 and played at the Sports Arena next to the Coliseum a block from USC. My dad got season tickets.
My childhood sucked because of the Fking Boston Celtics......I STILL hate them and never wear anything green.......true. But I do respect the franchise.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]wait 60s' LA home game?[/QUOTE]


:lol :lol :lol

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by DKLaker
I know right.....I was at every Lakers home game in the 60's, saw all these guys play and it is a complete and utter joke to try to compare them to the players of today......the great players were truly great....but there were a ton of scrubs and he skills and especially the athleticism.....with few big exceptions was very pahetic. [B]Jeez, I almost sh!t myself when Westbrook threw down that dunk, the first thing I thought was a PG in the 60's and 70's couldn't even dream of throwing down a dunk like that[/B], wow has the game really changed!!!

Wilt was an absolute freak of nature way ahead of his time.
It amazes me tho that Elgin Baylor gets no mention on here.....career 27.5 points, 13.5 boards, 4 assists. Averaged 38ppg and 19rpg in one season, scored 71 points in a game......Kobe had to WORK to beat that one.......and had 61 in a playoff game....still the most in a regulation playoff game, Jordan's 63 was in double OT. Oh and Baylor had 22 boards in the 61 point game.
He also kept the Lakers franchise from going under......can you even imagine that?
Baylor is #4 with 87 40+ point games........there was NO 3 POINT LINE WHEN HE PLAYED!!!!!!! OR maybe he would've scored 100!!!

We need some love for Elgin Baylor [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]wait 60s' LA home game?[/QUOTE]

:lol

Rule changes you stupid ass, rule changes.

If you breath on a guard today, you've just "fouled" them.

If you charge the paint in the 60's, athleticism doesn't mean jack shit. That guy needs to re-assess what really has changed. I have video footage of a 6'1 white dude that played for LA as a [I]backup[/I] point guard throwin down dunks. "Athleticism" is not why Westbrook dunks. No, weak centers today and NBA rules changes IE tic-tac fouls is why guards do what guards do today.

Oscar is bigger, stronger PG than anyone in the game today.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5GrV1GAnA[/url]
Slammed the f_ck down by Wilt.

This shit is ****ing WEAK. This is the modern NBA.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FYteAwXt4I[/url]
:facepalm :roll:

A different game indeed.... due to rule changes.

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Yeah......I'm old.
The Lakers moved to LA in 1960 and played at the Sports Arena next to the Coliseum a block from USC. My dad got season tickets.
My childhood sucked because of the Fking Boston Celtics......I STILL hate them and never wear anything green.......true. But I do respect the franchise.[/QUOTE]
So are you 70? 65? how old?

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:lol

Rule changes you stupid ass, rule changes.

If you breath on a guard today, you've just "fouled" them.

If you charge the paint in the 60's, athleticism doesn't mean jack shit. That guy needs to re-assess what really has changed. I have video footage of a 6'1 white dude that played for LA as a [I]backup[/I] point guard throwin down dunks. "Athleticism" is not why Westbrook dunks. No, weak centers today and NBA rules changes IE tic-tac fouls is why guards do what guards do today.

Oscar is bigger, stronger PG than anyone in the game today.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5GrV1GAnA[/url]
Slammed the f_ck down by Wilt.

This shit is ****ing WEAK. This is the modern NBA.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FYteAwXt4I[/url]
:facepalm :roll:[/QUOTE]
It's a weaker ****ing era
look at the video :oldlol:

Use your ****ing brain :facepalm

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:lol

Rule changes you stupid ass, rule changes.

If you breath on a guard today, you've just "fouled" them.

If you charge the paint in the 60's, athleticism doesn't mean jack shit. That guy needs to re-assess what really has changed. I have video footage of a 6'1 white dude that played for LA as a [I]backup[/I] point guard throwin down dunks. "Athleticism" is not why Westbrook dunks. No, weak centers today and NBA rules changes IE tic-tac fouls is why guards do what guards do today.

Oscar is bigger, stronger PG than anyone in the game today.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv5GrV1GAnA[/url]
Slammed the f_ck down by Wilt.

This shit is ****ing WEAK. This is the modern NBA.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FYteAwXt4I[/url]
:facepalm :roll:[/QUOTE]

Oscar was a BEAST......no doubt about that.......but the reality is that there was a HUGE athletic disparity which is why a small forward could put up enormous rebounding numbers like Elgin.
And come on.......look at the god awful pathetic dribbling of the 60 and early 70's compared to today.

HOW OLD ARE YOU?????

someone just post any random 60's highlight video. anybody

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]So are you 70? 65? how old?[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to say exactly.......but yeah.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdiptkyYsY&t=5m43s[/url]

The NBA announcers and fans have heart attacks over this shit.

Yet it's a cheesy "sensational basket" in 1965.

Westbrook is doing nothing that wasn't already done in the 60's. I can't believe a guy who says he watched the NBA all through the 60's has forgotten that identical plays today were happening in the 60's.

The only thing that's changed are the rules, that opened up the game for smaller guards and killed the center spot, and the media's massive HYPE and fans REACTIONS to awesome plays. Those people in the crowd, the guy recapping the play, they're all practicing restraint and stifling the spectacle.

Today, Joakim Noah can jump 10" off the ground and dunk on someone half his size and get a "OOOOOOOOOOHHHH MYYYYYYY JOAKIM FOR THE STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!#!!111111111"

Do not underestimate the influence of improved marketing.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdiptkyYsY&t=5m43s[/url]

The NBA announcers and fans have heart attacks over this shit.

Yet it's a cheesy "sensational basket" in 1965.

Westbrook is doing nothing that wasn't already done in the 60's. I can't believe a guy who says he watched the NBA all through the 60's has forgotten that identical plays today were happening in the 60's.

The only thing that's changed are the rules, that opened up the game for smaller guards and killed the center spot, and the media's massive HYPE and fans REACTIONS to awesome plays. Those people in the crowd, the guy recapping the play, they're all practicing restraint and stifling the spectacle.

Today, Joakim Noah can jump 10" off the ground and dunk on someone half his size and get a "OOOOOOOOOOHHHH MYYYYYYY JOAKIM FOR THE STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!#!!111111111"

Do not underestimate the influence of improved marketing.[/QUOTE]
You are getting close to 32Dayz status

[QUOTE=DKLaker]Oscar was a BEAST......no doubt about that.......but the reality is that there was a HUGE athletic disparity which is why a small forward could put up enormous rebounding numbers like Elgin.
And come on.......look at the god awful pathetic dribbling of the 60 and early 70's compared to today.

HOW OLD ARE YOU?????[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvMq-eX_pNw&t=12m[/url]

Old enough to know that gradual NBA rule changes combined with the improved marketing of the NBA immensely influences peoples perception of modern players vs their vintage counterparts. Doesn't matter how old you are or how old I am. The 1960's was simply not the era that showcased guards, it showcased centers. Guards today are more capable because the rules have changed (out of necessity).

Crossover (aka handles) = a carry in the 1960's

Tic-tac fouls = non-existent in the 1960's

Range? = Just about useless w/o a 3 point line...

Big men and back to the basket skills ruled the 60's. Almost everyone had a hook shot. The league has expanded, it hasn't been able to sustain or draft enough talented big men to fill the rosters since at least the 1970's and the league has just kept growing. So it has done everything possible to showcase and market the guards/forwards and that includes altering what they are allowed to do.

You don't think 60's players were [I]capable[/I] of carrying the ball for crossovers if they were allowed to do them!? You don't think they'd charge Wilt and Bill if they were gonna draw an easy foul instead get called for charging - or slammed into the floorboards? You don't think Wilt or Bill wouldn't be forced to move away in order to not foul out - thereby allowing guards to have the confidence to sky for easy dunks!? Come on.

I agree the NBA changed. I just don't agree with you on "why" - and how good or bad it means players have been over time. The skill sets followed the rules. The athleticism argument is massively overrated. Bogut was the leagues leading shot blocking, Joel Anthony is the starting center for the heat, Zydrunas, Pau, Varejao, the Lopez Twins... come on. The league obviously shifted from dominating centers to dominating guards - and not because of athleticism.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]You are getting close to 32Dayz status[/QUOTE]

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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUNSl7zZlhQ&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq_nr4VF_b8[/url]

same...:oldlol:

I don't have much say in this, not old enough to watch any of them.

but surely it is interesting to see posters who are old enough to witness the 60s go at it...

we need more of this:cheers:

i can't help loling at those pathetic 60s "highlights"

a high school team stomps on those scrubs

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUNSl7zZlhQ&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq_nr4VF_b8[/url]

same...:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Perfect example of the benefit of the NBA's marketing that changed the game to cope with expansion and make the game extraordinarily exciting to the eyes and ears of fans - the sounds, the OMG heart-attack announcers, the hype and the noise of the fans, the thrilling camera angles and instant replays, the invention of the break-away rim, the way superior shoes, the rules that finally favor "look at me" plays.

:facepalm

Yet... isn't Bill Russell the #7 ranked high jumper in the world in 1956? Is Pau Gasol as athletic as he is? Is Pau an "evolved/improved" Bill Russell :confusedshrug: yeah.... no.....

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[QUOTE=asdf1990]I heard from eye witness sources that one time wilt got angry and threw the ball so hard at the floor that it created [B]a hole[/B].[/QUOTE]

What did people sh!t out of before Wilt created these?

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Perfect example of the benefit of the NBA's marketing that changed the game to cope with expansion and make the game extraordinarily exciting in the eyes of fans - the sounds, the OMG heart-attack announcers, the hype and the noise of the fans, the thrilling camera angles and instant replays, the rules that finally favor "look at me" plays.

:facepalm

Yet... isn't Bill Russell the #7 ranked high jumper in the world in 1956? Is Pau Gasol as athletic as he is? :confusedshrug:

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LMAO at the "curling a 100 pound dumbbell"

I know guys [B]twice[/B] the size of Wilt who've been lifting for years who can't do that. GTFO with that crap :roll:

[QUOTE=32jazz]And if you have one what do you tell her about wasting your time obssessing over Wilt?

I am sure you could be doing better things than worrying about Wilt, right?[/QUOTE]

Maybe dude's "wife" was Wilt, and he is defending "her" memory.

[QUOTE=Mach_3]LMAO at the "curling a 100 pound dumbbell"

I know guys [B]twice[/B] the size of Wilt who've been lifting for years who can't do that. GTFO with that crap :roll:[/QUOTE]

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You know guyz double the size of a 327lb dude?

Dayum u kno sum fat f_cks... of course they can't curl 100lbs :oldlol:

There is no doubt that the overall athleticism of the league today is better than the 60's...even Bob Cousy has mentioned this on several occasions in interviews. However, the great players in the 60's were great enough athletes to be great in any era....Wilt, Oscar, West, Baylor, Russell, Bellamy....those guys could play today on just what they had. Of course they would be even better once they hopped of the time machine and were put on a NBA-level training and nutrition regimen.

[QUOTE=bwink23]There is no doubt that the overall athleticism of the league today is better than the 60's...even Bob Cousy has mentioned this on several occasions in interviews. However, the great players in the 60's were great enough athletes to be great in any era....Wilt, Oscar, West, Baylor, Russell, Bellamy....those guys could play today on just what they had. Of course they would be even better once they hopped of the time machine and were put on a NBA-level training and nutrition regimen.[/QUOTE]

because they didn't have weights and training in the 60s, right? Nor did they know what to eat?

these pathetic excuses :roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=bwink23]There is no doubt that the overall athleticism of the league today is better than the 60's...even Bob Cousy has mentioned this on several occasions in interviews. However, the great players in the 60's were great enough athletes to be great in any era....Wilt, Oscar, West, Baylor, Russell, Bellamy....those guys could play today on just what they had. Of course they would be even better once they hopped of the time machine and were put on a NBA-level training and nutrition regimen.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="4"]ALL HAIL THE PRODUCTS OF MODERN MODERN NUTRITION/SUPPLEMENTS/TRAINING[/SIZE]:bowdown:

Good God. Modern athletes = So Beast.
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[SIZE="4"]STIFFS FROM THE 60'S :lol [/SIZE]
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Over used argument - doesn't mean as much as people think. People look through tinted shades today and only focus on the superstars. The NBA today is LOADED with stiffs. Take off the superstar glasses and it's obvious. Blatantly obvious. Superstars of the 60's are no less densely packed throughout the league than the superstars of the modern era - stiffs of the 60's are no more numerous than stiffs of today. Remember the league was smaller back then. It only needs 1/3rd as many superstars to still have the same talent density as the game has today.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvMq-eX_pNw&t=12m[/url]

Old enough to know that gradual NBA rule changes combined with the improved marketing of the NBA immensely influences peoples perception of modern players vs their vintage counterparts. Doesn't matter how old you are or how old I am. The 1960's was simply not the era that showcased guards, it showcased centers. Guards today are more capable because the rules have changed (out of necessity).

Crossover (aka handles) = a carry in the 1960's

Tic-tac fouls = non-existent in the 1960's

Range? = Just about useless w/o a 3 point line...

Big men and back to the basket skills ruled the 60's. Almost everyone had a hook shot. The league has expanded, it hasn't been able to sustain or draft enough talented big men to fill the rosters since at least the 1970's and the league has just kept growing. So it has done everything possible to showcase and market the guards/forwards and that includes altering what they are allowed to do.

You don't think 60's players were [I]capable[/I] of carrying the ball for crossovers if they were allowed to do them!? You don't think they'd charge Wilt and Bill if they were gonna draw an easy foul instead get called for charging - or slammed into the floorboards? You don't think Wilt or Bill wouldn't be forced to move away in order to not foul out - thereby allowing guards to have the confidence to sky for easy dunks!? Come on.

I agree the NBA changed. I just don't agree with you on "why" - and how good or bad it means players have been over time. The skill sets followed the rules. The athleticism argument is massively overrated. Bogut was the leagues leading shot blocking, Joel Anthony is the starting center for the heat, Zydrunas, Pau, Varejao, the Lopez Twins... come on. The league obviously shifted from dominating centers to dominating guards - and not because of athleticism.[/QUOTE]

There are a few very valid points you made......finally:oldlol:

The 3 point line IMO has been the biggest factor.....possibly worst factor to change the game. It single handedly changed every position on the floor, that and the expansion of the league destroyed the classic Center position.

Bob Cousy was a HUGE STAR.....Jerry West.....plenty of guards were huge and were marketed to the extent of the times.

Marketing......YES, but without it the NBA may have folded by now.
In the 70's even the 1980 finals came on TV on tape delay AFTER the 11pm news. Most times if you wanted to watch a game you were up to 2am.
Hell, Magic's first game....I fell asleep briefly like 3 times during the game.....thank god I saw Kareem's winning shot at the buzzer and Magic hugging him like it was the champinship....I was screaming at almost 2am :oldlol: Highlights were limited to a clip or 2....if you were lucky and there was no ESPN or anything of that type.

In the 60's you would've been allowed a crossover if you had one....not the slop they allow today....but something reasonable. Cousy got away with some
stuff. Most guys only had 1 hand they could really dribble with.

Range, yeah meaningless without a 3 point line....you wanted to get the highest percentage shot....closest to the basket if possible.

Fouls....oh yeah, you could hack someone real good for sure.....there were no flagrant fouls.

Athleticism.....you are completely missing the boat here and you need to use common sense here.......if you look at athletic records.....track records and how athletes are faster, stronger and jump higher.......then you can easily understand that today's athletes are far superior. Trust me.....the guys in the 60's couldn't do a Westbrook or Griffin if you paid them double.

[QUOTE=HighFlyer23]because they didn't have weights and training in the 60s, right? Nor did they know what to eat?

these pathetic excuses :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]


They aren't excuses at all...the myth that weight training would ruin your flexibility and agility extended all the way into the 1980's. Chicago Cub great Ryne Sandberg gave an interview talking about how they were encouraged NOT to lift weights to maintain flexibility. Just look at the athletes in the 80's in baseball and basketball....then look at them in the 1990's when weight lifting started to become the norm....Just look guys like Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman before weights...they didn't start lifting until their mid-20's...Jordan didn't start until he was 26,27 years old. Then look at them after..

If your implying that somehow humans have evolved genetically over the last 50-60 years, your sadly mistaken..kids today grow up eating hormone-laced meat. Give Jerry West undetectable HGH for 6 months on weight training i guarantee he will put on 10-15 pounds of lean muscle.....GET A CLUE

Yep...the pathetic 60's,...

where 6-9 white guys were winning rebound titles, and 6-11 white guys were winning blocked shot titles, and 37 year old white guys were winning assist titles.

You would NEVER see that in 2011.

[QUOTE=bwink23]They aren't excuses at all...the myth that weight training would ruin your flexibility and agility extended all the way into the 1980's. Chicago Cub great Ryne Sandberg gave an interview talking about how they were encouraged NOT to lift weights to maintain flexibility. Just look at the athletes in the 80's in baseball and basketball....then look at them in the 1990's when weight lifting started to become the norm....Just look guys like Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman before weights...t[B]hey didn't start lifting until their mid-20's...Jordan didn't start until he was 26,27 years old. Then look at them after..[/B]

If your implying that somehow humans have evolved genetically over the last 50-60 years, your sadly mistaken..kids today grow up eating hormone-laced meat. Give Jerry West undetectable HGH for 6 months on weight training i guarantee he will put on 10-15 pounds of lean muscle.....GET A CLUE[/QUOTE]
That's because they became men
a teenage-20s could do nothing and at age 28-30 would be still be bigger

:facepalm

[QUOTE=bwink23]They aren't excuses at all...the myth that weight training would ruin your flexibility and agility extended all the way into the 1980's. Chicago Cub great Ryne Sandberg gave an interview talking about how they were encouraged NOT to lift weights to maintain flexibility. Just look at the athletes in the 80's in baseball and basketball....then look at them in the 1990's when weight lifting started to become the norm....Just look guys like Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman before weights...they didn't start lifting until their mid-20's...Jordan didn't start until he was 26,27 years old. Then look at them after..

If your implying that somehow humans have evolved genetically over the last 50-60 years, your sadly mistaken..kids today grow up eating hormone-laced meat. Give Jerry West undetectable HGH for 6 months on weight training i guarantee he will put on 10-15 pounds of lean muscle.....GET A CLUE[/QUOTE]


How sturdy are the legs of Yao, Bynum, and Oden again?

Look at all that benefit from weight gain. :facepalm

[QUOTE=HighFlyer23]i can't help loling at those pathetic 60s "highlights"

a high school team stomps on those scrubs[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :cheers:

[QUOTE=bwink23]There is no doubt that the overall athleticism of the league today is better than the 60's...even Bob Cousy has mentioned this on several occasions in interviews. However, the great players in the 60's were great enough athletes to be great in any era....Wilt, Oscar, West, Baylor, Russell, Bellamy....those guys could play today on just what they had. Of course they would be even better once they hopped of the time machine and were put on a NBA-level training and nutrition regimen.[/QUOTE]

No question that ALL of the guys you mentioned could play today....but not put up the freakish numbers they got because of going against inferior athletes.

[QUOTE=HighFlyer23]i can't help loling at those pathetic 60s "highlights"

a high school team stomps on those scrubs[/QUOTE]

Yeah.....this is true, a top high school team would whip a lot of 60's teams.....not all.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]That's because they became men
a teenage-20s could do nothing and at age 28-30 would be still be bigger

:facepalm[/QUOTE]


NOT AT ALL....i'm guessing your not even 20 yet...your early 20's are the best time to gain lean muscle...you heal so much faster and recover much quicker. The weight you put on in your late 20's isn't the same type of weight in your early 20's. As you age, your muscles get heavy and flat. Jordan's musculature if had started lifting weights in college would have been much better than starting in his late 20's...i know cuz i've done it....I'm the same size i was in my late 20's as i was in high school, same weight, same fat index. But i wasn't nearly as strong or explosive. The muscles you develop in when your 21 don't compare to that of waiting until your 28....it's far from the same.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]How sturdy are the legs of Yao, Bynum, and Oden again?

Look at all that benefit from weight gain. :facepalm[/QUOTE]


I do believe that too much weight is a detriment in basketball...Kevin Love dropped 20 pounds and it wasn't affected him one bit...in fact, he's more dangerous now with his increased speed and agility.

[QUOTE=bwink23]NOT AT ALL....i'm guessing your not even 20 yet...your early 20's are the best time to gain lean muscle...you heal so much faster and recover much quicker. The weight you put on in your late 20's isn't the same type of weight in your early 20's. As you age, your muscles get heavy and flat. Jordan's musculature if had started lifting weights in college would have been much better than starting in his late 20's...i know cuz i've done it....I'm the same size i was in my late 20's as i was in high school, same weight, same fat index. But i wasn't nearly as strong or explosive. The muscles you develop in when your 21 don't compare to that of waiting until your 28....it's far from the same.[/QUOTE]
A 22 year old man compared to a 30-35 year old man is a big difference most of the time (ofcourse there some people that are different)
and it's not because they've been working out, they're just bigger and wider

Yeah...you take someone like Kareem, who was playing in the NBA in 1969, and transport him to 2011, and he wouldn't make a high school team. Of course, since he was routinely crushing Hakeem, even while he was 39 years old, that also means that Hakeem wouldn't make an eighth grade girl's chruch league, either. And, I guess, since Hakeem could play a young Shaq to a draw in the 90's, that Shaq would be joining him as a backup in the leagues that have 8 ft. baskets, and no one keep score.

prime joel anthony would be a 10x mvp in the 60s. only player to win the award in every single year of the decade. prime russell and wilt = lucky to make high school jv team in todays era

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]A 22 year old man compared to a 30-35 year old man is a big difference most of the time (ofcourse there some people that are different)
and it's not because they've been working out, they're just bigger and wider[/QUOTE]


Your gonna be bigger when your older cuz your body puts on fat at a certain % as you age, that's common knowledge. i've been lifting weights on and off all my life and i'm 35 years old. I know what aging is about when trying to stay physically fit...i can lift hard all day and i will never be what i was when i was 21. The explosiveness in my muscles is not there anymore...the only way i could come close is with "help". There is absolutely no substitute for natural testosterone when your young....except through illegal means.