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Did not read lol[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow][IMG]http://www.nickadamsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/white-kid-dance-club.gif[/IMG]
Did not read lol[/QUOTE]
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In 28 meetings, Wilt's Lakers won 14 games while Kareem's Bucks also won 14 games.
Here are their stats:
- Wilt Chamberlain: 16.1 ppg, 18.2 rpg, 3.4 apg, .526 FG%
- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 31.0 ppg, 16.4 rpg, 3.9 apg, .464 FG%
Wilt Chamberlain was aged 33 to 36 during all of those games and, at that stage of his career, was happy to defer to Jerry West offensively.
It's incredible that someone so old was able to do such an amazing job against the young Kareem. If he could do this well in his mid-30s, imagine how much better Wilt would have been than Kareem if they'd played when Wilt was in his prime?
[QUOTE=WillC]In 28 meetings, Wilt's Lakers won 14 games while Kareem's Bucks also won 14 games.
Here are their stats:
- Wilt Chamberlain: 16.1 ppg, 18.2 rpg, 3.4 apg, .526 FG%
- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 31.0 ppg, 16.4 rpg, 3.9 apg, .464 FG%
Wilt Chamberlain was aged 33 to 36 during all of those games and, at that stage of his career, was happy to defer to Jerry West offensively.
It's incredible that someone so old was able to do such an amazing job against the young Kareem. If he could do this well in his mid-30s, imagine how much better Wilt would have been than Kareem if they'd played when Wilt was in his prime?[/QUOTE]
Double the points :oldlol:
Owned Wilt the "stilt" and that was when Kareem wasn't even strong yet
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow][IMG]http://www.nickadamsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/white-kid-dance-club.gif[/IMG]
Did not read lol[/QUOTE]
I read it for you...and yes sounds like Wilt was giving Lew Alcindor, DA BIZ NAZ!!!
[QUOTE=bwink23]I read it for you...and yes sounds like Wilt was giving Lew Alcindor, DA BIZ NAZ!!![/QUOTE]
16 points per game is the BIZ NAZ?
ok :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Double the points :oldlol:
Owned Wilt the "stilt" and that was when Kareem wasn't even strong yet[/QUOTE]
I suppose you were impressed when Kobe put up some big numbers against a 38 year old Michael Jordan :facepalm
[QUOTE=WillC]I suppose you were impressed when Kobe put up some big numbers against a 38 year old Michael Jordan :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Jordan didn't guard him :facepalm
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Double the points :oldlol:
Owned Wilt the "stilt" and that was when Kareem wasn't even strong yet[/QUOTE]
Yet, by your own Kobetard standards for the Mamba...Wilt would be like 40 years old here with all the heavy minutes he played. You seem to ignore that Wilt was in a real system at this point, and not looking for his shot as he would in his younger years...
Kareem = not strong yet.....Wilt = on crutches and old at this point.
What's striking here is that Kareem is normally a 55-58% FG shooter, while Wilt held him to 46%, far below a big man's standards, especially his own..........:no:
[QUOTE=bwink23]Yet, by your own Kobetard standards for the Mamba...Wilt would be like 40 years old here with all the heavy minutes he played. You seem to ignore that Wilt was in a real system at this point, and not looking for his shot as he would in his younger years...
Kareem = not strong yet.....Wilt = on crutches and old at this point.
What's striking here is that Kareem is normally a 55-58% FG shooter, while Wilt held him to 46%, far below a big man's standards, especially his own..........:no:[/QUOTE]
Kareem was still a skinny kid, like Wilt was in the early 60's
A kid vs a man...and he still was better pretty easily
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Kareem was still a skinny kid, like Wilt was in the early 60's
A kid vs a man...and he still was better pretty easily[/QUOTE]
Better cuz he took more shots?? PLEASE, take that trash to the garbage.
Wilt must have swatted 4 times more shots than Jabbar did...that's just WRONG.
[QUOTE=bwink23]Better cuz he took more shots?? PLEASE, take that trash to the garbage.
Wilt must have swatted 4 times more shots than Jabbar did...that's just WRONG.[/QUOTE]
Kareem 6 rings
Wilt 2 rings
next
My grandpa once told me that Wilt would dunk from so far away, that they decided to create a 3 point line.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Kareem 6 rings
Wilt 2 rings
next[/QUOTE]
At the time they played each other.......Wilt 2 rings....Kareem 1 ring, NEXT.......:applause:
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Kareem 6 rings
Wilt 2 rings
next[/QUOTE]
Russell 11 rings.
Wilt outplayed Russell in nearly every game though.
So what's your point?
[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]My grandpa once told me that Wilt would dunk from so far away, that they decided to create a 3 point line.[/QUOTE]
this doesnt make sense
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Kareem 6 rings
Wilt 2 rings
next[/QUOTE]
Kareem's highest scoring seasons EVER came in Chamberlain's last 3 years...when Jabbar was just a "skinny kid", yet he was 23,24,25 years old at the time......:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Jon_Koncak]this doesnt make sense[/QUOTE]
Sure it does. My grandpa told me this and he doesn't lie.
[QUOTE=bwink23]At the time they played each other.......Wilt 2 rings....Kareem 1 ring, NEXT.......:applause:[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
****ing idiot :oldlol:
[QUOTE=FireDavidKahn]My grandpa once told me that Wilt would dunk from so far away, that they decided to create a 3 point line.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol:
[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]Around the same time Wilt was also putting up ridiculously impressive broad jump numbers that are understood to be as far as 22 feet. For comparison purposes almost all high school track athletes can not reach 22 feet in a running long jump and [B]Wilt is reported to have reached that length from a stationary standing broad jump position[/B].
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You realize this blows up everything you've said? The free throw line is 15 feet from the backboard. If he could broad jump 22 feet, he should be able to dunk without steps.
The farthest broad jump I could find in the NFL combine is Calvin Johnson with 11' 7". You expect me to believe someone almost doubled that?
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]:facepalm
****ing idiot :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:confusedshrug: ....that is the same argument you'd be using if it was 1973 on InsideHoops Forums.......:lol
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]:oldlol: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
That wasn't funny at all....:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=taucesays]You realize this blows up everything you've said? The free throw line is 15 feet from the backboard. If he could broad jump 22 feet, he should be able to dunk without steps.
The farthest broad jump I could find in the NFL combine is Calvin Johnson with 11' 7". You expect me to believe someone almost doubled that?[/QUOTE]
Wilt long-jumped 22'8" as a PR... no it wasn't standing it was running. Don't let misinformation kill everything.
He placed 1st place in the Philadelphia city-league high-jump his sophomore year in HS with a jump of 5'10"
He placed 1st place in the Philadelphia city-league high-jump his senior year in HS with a jump of 6'2
He also had a PR of 46' 2.5" as a freshman at KU Relays for the triple jump (ineligible to place however, due to age)
He competed in High Jump (ineligible) as a freshmen for 6'4.75"
He Triple Jumped 45' 9" as a sophomore for 3rd place at KU Relays
High Jumped 6'6 to tie for first place.
High Jumped 6'6.25 at Drake Relays for first place
High Jumped 6'5 at Kansas State Big-Seven tournament and won first place
And his Junior season:
High Jumped 6'6.75" at Kansas State Big-Eight indoor track tournament and tied for first place
When Wilt's athleticism claims get out of hand it causes people to think "none of it" was true. Don't belive the 22 foot standing long jump obviously. But don't dismiss the ACTUAL accountable events that happened either.
jlauber, CavaliersFTW, and WillC might have Alzheimers
They think it's 1971 or something the way that they keep talking about a dead guy
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Wilt long-jumped 22'8" as a PR... no it wasn't standing it was running. Don't let misinformation kill everything.
He also had a PR of 46' 2.5" as a freshman at KU Relays for the triple jump (ineligible to place however, due to age)
He Triple Jumped 45' 9" as a sophomore for 3rd place at KU Relays
High Jumped 6'6 to tie for first place.
High Jumped 6'6.25 at Drake Relays for first place
High Jumped 6'5 at Kansas State Big-Seven tournament and won first place
And his Junior season:
High Jumped 6'6.75" at Kansas State Big-Eight indoor track tournament and won first place
When Wilt's athleticism claims get out of hand is what causes people to think "none of it" was true. Don't belive the 22 foot standing long jump bullshit. But don't dismiss the ACTUAL accountable events that happened either.[/QUOTE]
22' feet isn't very far for the long jump. UCLA has a wide receiver who can break 24'
I can't find any reliable sources about his long jumps but many places claim he could triple jump over 50'. Mike Connelly Sr. owns the world record for triple jump at 58' 3.25". He was able to 2 handed slam from 5' 7" behind the free throw line with a full court running start. I'm not saying Wilt wasn't a beast, I'm sure he could do something similarly impressive. But lets not go and believe everything.
[QUOTE=taucesays]22' feet isn't very far for the long jump. UCLA has a wide receiver who can break 24'[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
22'8" is [I]very[/I] impressive for a teenager.
It isn't worthy for a big Track school like KU though, Hence Wilt didn't compete in the long jump in the NCAA - only in HS.
[QUOTE=taucesays]22' feet isn't very far for the long jump. UCLA has a wide receiver who can break 24'
I can't find any reliable sources about his long jumps but many places claim he could triple jump over 50'. Mike Connelly Sr. owns the world record for triple jump at 58' 3.25". He was able to 2 handed slam from 5' 7" behind the free throw line with a full court running start. I'm not saying Wilt wasn't a beast, I'm sure he could do something similarly impressive. But lets not go and believe everything.[/QUOTE]
I don't care what other sources claim. I have KU and Philadelphia city-league info that comes straight from that time period. Not sources from the 2000's that have been skewed by 50 years time. It's like the telephone game, the information passes enough times through peoples mouths and by the end of the line it's not the same as it used to be.
[QUOTE=taucesays]22' feet isn't very far for the long jump. UCLA has a wide receiver who can break 24'
I can't find any reliable sources about his long jumps but many places claim he could triple jump over 50'. Mike Connelly Sr. owns the world record for triple jump at 58' 3.25". [B] He was able to 2 handed slam from 5' 7" behind the free throw line with a full court running start.[/B] I'm not saying Wilt wasn't a beast, I'm sure he could do something similarly impressive. But lets not go and believe everything.[/QUOTE]
:roll: ....no he didn't.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqymSa79vqg[/url]
NOT....EVEN>>>>CLOSE!!!!! :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:facepalm
22'8" is [I]very[/I] impressive for a teenager.
It isn't worthy for a big Track school like KU though, Hence Wilt didn't compete in the long jump in the NCAA - only in HS.[/QUOTE]
The 2011 California state champion long jumper hit 23' 4" in prelims and won with a distance of 22' 3.25". Wilt was definitely a great athlete but still on the same level as great athletes of today.
holy shit, im surprised these 2 douchebags aren't banned or at least warned
[QUOTE=bwink23]:roll: ....no he didn't.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqymSa79vqg[/url]
NOT....EVEN>>>>CLOSE!!!!! :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Sorry I got the dunks confused since I just read a quick news sumarry. It was his son that did it with one hand. That only furthers my point that Wilt wasn't some athenian god that could throw a ping pong ball through a brick wall.
[QUOTE=taucesays]Sorry I got the dunks confused since I just read a quick news sumarry. It was his son that did it with one hand. That only furthers my point that Wilt wasn't some athenian god that could throw a ping pong ball through a brick wall.[/QUOTE]
Your saying his son could dunk it from almost 21 feet with one hand???
[QUOTE=taucesays]The 2011 California state champion long jumper hit 23' 4" in prelims and won with a distance of 22' 3.25". Wilt was definitely a great athlete but still on the same level as great athletes of today.[/QUOTE]
Yep. Except.... Wilt was 7'1.06" tall. You forgot about that little diddy. He did what 6'0-6'5" people do. That's what made Wilt the "force" people talk about. He's a big man doing what smell men do, effortlessly. And he does it all remarkably well.
How many athletes that compete in NCAA d1 Track and Field (and win) are 7'1 inches tall? He's an anomaly.
[QUOTE=bwink23]Your saying his son could dunk it from almost 21 feet with one hand???[/QUOTE]
The video has been removed from youtube. I found a thread about it on here but not too much confirmation. All I'm trying to do is establish some sort of upper bound by comparing him to other athletes/records.
[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Yep. Except.... Wilt was 7'1.06" tall. You forgot about that little diddy. He did what 6'0-6'5" people do. That's what made Wilt the "force" people talk about. He's a big man doing what smell men do, effortlessly. And he does it all remarkably well.
How many athletes that compete in NCAA d1 Track and Field (and win) are 7'1 inches tall? He's an anomaly.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Except that the stories also say he was a champion 100m runner. Long jump is about speed and explosion. You're claiming he has those. You can't have it both ways.
[QUOTE=taucesays]Yes. Except that the stories also say he was a champion 100m runner. Long jump is about speed and explosion. You're claiming he has those. You can't have it both ways.[/QUOTE]
No the stories don't say that at all :hammerhead:
They all say he was an accomplished, multi-event track athlete. And he was.
100 meter sprints - and explosiveness for long/triple/high jump = same thing.... explosive.
[url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=svUeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6osEAAAAIBAJ&dq=wilt%20chamberlain%20hank&pg=7442%2C2836511[/url]
4.6 40 - barefoot. - Clocked by Kansas City Chief's coach Hank Strom.
And again, realize that this is what small men pull for sprint times. Yet - Wilt is 290lbs and over 7'1" tall... seeeeeeeeeeeee? U seeing it now? No his accomplishments aren't inhuman. But his size + accomplishments ARE "inhuman" if that's the way you wanna look at it. It's just never been like that before, nobody his size has really been that athletic.
My point is that all of the verifiable information we have about Wilts feats places him squarely within the human realm. The premise of this thread is that Wilt could do a 3 stutter step dunk from inside the top half of the free throw circle. Someone also mentioned that he had a standing long jump of 22'. My claim is that and a lot of other stories about him are utter bullish*t. He was definitely a top athlete abnormality. I would place him on the level of Usain Bolt, LeBron, and Michael Phelps. That doesn't mean everything you hear about him is true.
[QUOTE=taucesays]My point is that all of the verifiable information we have about Wilts feats places him squarely within the human realm. The premise of this thread is that Wilt could do a 3 stutter step dunk from inside the top half of the free throw circle. Someone also mentioned that he had a standing long jump of 22'. My claim is that and a lot of other stories about him are utter bullish*t. He was definitely a top athlete abnormality. I would place him on the level of Usain Bolt, LeBron, and Michael Phelps. That doesn't mean everything you hear about him is true.[/QUOTE]
Just think about it for a second... What do you get when you combine Track and Field agility of a small person, with a with a wingspan and standing reach greater/equal to a Yao Ming sized person.....
(A guy who could FT dunk in 3 strides)
[url]http://www.desmoinesregister.com/VideoNetwork/50386121001/Relays-history-Wilt-Chamberlain-high-jump[/url]
Look at the size of his strides and his acceleration from a dead standstill. Yah, 3 step free throw dunks are definitely not possible with other known people who are his size. Nor other smaller people with his agility. But it's possible with him because he has [I]both[/I].
I believe that he could do it with 3 real strides. I think it's fair to say his strides were around his own height, so lets say 7 feet. That places him a bit outside the circle at center court. I also believe there are currently players in the NBA could do the same get very close. Wilt also had retardedly long arms so that give him a huge advantage when jumping from far distances.
[QUOTE=taucesays]I believe that he could do it with 3 real strides. I think it's fair to say his strides were around his own height, so lets say 7 feet. That places him a bit outside the circle at center court. I also believe there are currently players in the NBA could do the same get very close. Wilt also had retardedly long arms so that give him a huge advantage when jumping from far distances.[/QUOTE]
I think that's what Tex said. So we're in agreement here.