Was Scottie Pippen at least once robbed for Defensive Player of the Year?

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13994764][B][U]Jerry Sloan/New York Times:[/U] [/B]Scottie Pippen was buzzing John Stockton like an annoying gnat in the backcourt, filling the passing lanes the way Coach Jerry Sloan wishes his players would and taking a charge from Karl Malone under the basket. On the next Utah Jazz possession, Pippen caused more havoc.

[B]''He is probably the only guy in basketball who draws offensive fouls anymore,'' Sloan said [/B]today. ''He had a ton of them last night, I think eight or nine. That was about as good a display of being able to step up and take a charge as you'll see.''

Pippen, a roving linebacker in high-tops, is using the finals to [B][U]reaffirm his position as the game's most complete and chaos-inspiring defensive player[/U]. [/B]On Sunday night, [B]he was largely responsible for the lowest scoring total in National Basketball Association history since the advent of the shot clock, when the Chicago Bulls pulverized the Jazz, 96-54[/B], to take a two-games-to-one lead in the four-of-seven-game series.

Pippen roamed the floor, spreading his 6-foot-7-inch angular body from player to player on the Jazz roster.[B] Twenty-six Utah turnovers and an unprecedented finals rout later, everyone wanted to know how one player could cause such disruption.[/B]

He has obliterated the criticism he once received for not being physical enough. [B]This post-season alone, he shut down Charlotte's Glen Rice in the second round and discombobulated the Pacers' offense in the Eastern Conference finals.[/B]

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/09/sp...art.html?sec=&[/url]

[B][U]Sports Illustrated/and MJ: [/U][/B]CHICAGO (AP) -- Say this for Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen's supporting cast, they're not stupid.

Ask any one of the Chicago Bulls whether Jordan or Pippen deserves the MVP award for the NBA Finals, and they come back with the most decisive of non-decisive answers.

"Both," Steve Kerr said, smiling. "Co-MVPs."

Jordan has won the MVP in each of Chicago's five championship seasons. But [B]even His Airness admits the Bulls might not be up 3-1 over the Utah Jazz -- let alone even in the finals -- if not for Pippen's smothering defense.[/B]

Pippen is a mainstay with Jordan on the NBA's All-Defensive team. But he's cranked his defense up a notch in the playoffs, disrupting Indiana's offense and squeezing off Utah's famed pick-and-roll.

[B]"Scottie Pippen is the reason, a major reason, why we're here," Jordan said Thursday. "He's a unique and creative type of player offensively and defensively. And [U]the harmony between the two of us is incomparable. You can't compare it to anything.[/U] That's taken time to deliver and trust each other to where we compliment each other."[/B]

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas...jordan_pippen/[/url]

[B][U]Karl Malone:[/U][/B] ''He could be the best defensive player playing,'' Malone said.

[B][U]Michael Jordan: "There is one guy in the league who can guard me. Fortunately he is on my team.[/U][/B][/QUOTE]

All of those quotes are great........why didn't he get enough votes to win DPOY?

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WOW!!!
That defensive sequence is more impressive than most offensive highlights I've seen. Pippen literally just guarded 4 of the 5 players on the opposing team. That reminds me of what Magic said about Pippen during the '92 Olympics in Barcelona. He said that Pippen wanted to guard everybody on the team during practices and scrimmages.

[QUOTE=Whoah10115;13994780]But said GOAT says the same thing about Pippen.

See...this is why you suck. Now ignore refuting me, as you are keen to do.[/QUOTE]

There's no examples of Pippen shutting anyone down as the primary defender

Otoh, virtually EVERYONE had a field day on him... Mashburn dropped 50 on him... Dominique and Bird owned his soul and outplayed him (Nique and Willis outplayed him in 93' Playoffs)...

Worthy did whatever he wanted to Pippen, and even a [I]hobbled[/I] Worthy went off in the 91' Finals... Guys like Kemp, Schrempf, Penny, Juwan Howard, Larry Johnson and many other 2nd options outplayed Pippen in the playoffs... X-man owned him in the 92' ECSF

[QUOTE=3ball;13994797]There's no examples of Pippen shutting anyone down as the primary defender

Otoh, virtually EVERYONE had a field day on him... Mashburn dropped 50 on him... Dominique and Bird owned his soul and outplayed him (Nique and Willis outplayed him in 93' Playoffs)... Worthy did whatever he wanted to Pippen, and even a [I]hobbled[/I] Worthy went off in the 91' Finals... Guys like Kemp, Schrempf, Penny, Juwan Howard, Larry Johnson and many other 2nd options destroyed Pippen in the playoffs[/QUOTE]

So errbody lying about Pippen?

[QUOTE=Whoah10115;13994798]So errbody lying about Pippen?[/QUOTE]

Yes.. people have no big shots to recall for Pippen and nothing strong to identify in Pippen's offense, so they overrate his defense.. all those quotes are fluff... Sounds like politicians on prominent news channels.. nothing real or heartfelt

It's not that he wasn't a good defender, but not better than Paul George or Jimmy Butler, who would NOT be excused for Pippen's garbage offense.. only Pippen gets a pass for [U]routinely[/U] averaging 15-16 ppg on 33-40% - he has 15 different series with these averages (17 on 40% for entire 96-98' Playoffs)

So Pippen is overrated defensively because he's viewed as a BETTER defender than Paul George, yet the stats and facts say otherwise - again, he never shut anyone down, and actually has an endless list of guys that went off on him.. furthermore, the bulls only had the #7 team defense during the 1st three-peat - 4 of 6 opponents in ECF/Finals had a better defense.. so Pippen's team defense is overrated along with his individual defense.. otoh, Paul George has the goat team drtg in 2014 (I think)... It doesn't mean he's this goat defender or anything, but at least the stats exist for you to claim he was.

It really is hilarious how pathetic 3ball is. To be so obsessed with a player that when his teammates get any kind of praise and regard it enrages you...jesus. As I and kblaze has said before...he's mentally deranged.

[QUOTE=Smoke117;13994808]It really is hilarious how pathetic 3ball is. To be so obsessed with a player that when his teammates get any kind of regard it enrages you...jesus. As I and kblaze has said before...he's mentally deranged.[/QUOTE]
He also claims he's a 6'7 (or 6'8?) former D1 athlete who "scored at will" on Raja Bell, dunked "4 times in a row" on Zach Randolph, and has the "hottest girlfriend in Las Vegas". In fact, he recently told Kblaze that he was too busy to get into a gif battle with him because he has "multiple beautiful females that require his attention". Blaze pointed out he's not too busy to make 900 LeBron topics :oldlol:

[QUOTE=RRR3;13994813]He also claims he's a 6'7 (or 6'8?) former D1 athlete who "scored at will" on Raja Bell, dunked "4 times in a row" on Zach Randolph, and has the "hottest girlfriend in Las Vegas". In fact, he recently told Kblaze that he was too busy to get into a gif battle with him because he has "multiple beautiful females that require his attention". Blaze pointed out he's not too busy to make 900 LeBron topics :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


:lol

It is funny how he says Pippen never shut anyone down when the [I]New York Times[/I] article above literally says:

[QUOTE]He has obliterated the criticism he once received for not being physical enough. [B]This post-season alone, he [U]shut down[/U] Charlotte's Glen Rice in the second round[/B] and discombobulated the Pacers' offense in the Eastern Conference finals.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoke117;13994808]It really is hilarious how pathetic 3ball is. To be so obsessed with a player that when his teammates get any kind of regard it enrages you...jesus. As I and kblaze has said before...he's mentally deranged.[/QUOTE]

Did you read my last post?.. I said Pippen might be as good defensively as Paul George

But Pippen is overrated defensively because he's viewed as a BETTER defender than Paul George, while the stats and facts say otherwise - he never shut anyone down, and actually has an endless list of guys that went off on him.. furthermore, the bulls only had the #7 team defense during the 1st three-peat - 4 of 6 opponents in ECF and Finals had a better defense.. so Pippen's team defense is overrated along with his individual defense.. otoh, Paul George has the goat team drtg in 2014 (I think)... It doesn't mean he's this goat defender or anything, but at least the stats exist for you to claim he was.

Again - it's not that Pippen wasn't a good defender, but he wasn't better than Paul George or Jimmy Butler, who would NOT be excused for Pippen's garbage offense.. only Pippen gets a pass for routinely averaging 15-16 ppg on 33-40% - he has 15 different series with these averages (17 on 40% for entire 96-98' Playoffs)

[QUOTE=3ball;13994816]Did you read my last post?.. I said Pippen might be as good defensively as Paul George

But Pippen is overrated defensively because he's viewed as a BETTER defender than Paul George, while the stats and facts say otherwise - he never shut anyone down, and actually has an endless list of guys that went off on him.. furthermore, the bulls only had the #7 team defense during the 1st three-peat - 4 of 6 opponents in ECF and Finals had a better defense.. so Pippen's team defense is overrated along with his individual defense.. otoh, Paul George has the goat team drtg in 2014 (I think)... It doesn't mean he's this goat defender or anything, but at least the stats exist for you to claim he was.

Again - it's not that Pippen wasn't a good defender, but he wasn't better than Paul George or Jimmy Butler, who would NOT be excused for Pippen's garbage offense.. only Pippen gets a pass for routinely averaging 15-16 ppg on 33-40% - he has 15 different series with these averages (17 on 40% for entire 96-98' Playoffs)[/QUOTE]

Anyone who thinks Paul George or Jimmy Butler are better defenders than Scottie Pippen isn't worth responding to. It's not like you don't have an agenda or anything...right? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Whoah10115;13994798]So errbody lying about Pippen?[/QUOTE]

Yes, including Bird!

[QUOTE=Larry Bird]"He was one of the best. He and Michael Cooper gave me the most problems."--Larry Bird[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: at bringing Kemp up, who was guarded by Rodman. Anyway, here are some more quotes:

"[B]If I had a vote in that first championship for MVP it would have been Scottie[/B]. He brought his whole game and everyone could see. [B]The way he played Magic and made him turn and turn and turn and made him work like that was the difference, especially after we lost the first game[/B]."--Horace Grant

"I don't know what position Scottie was; he was just a basketball player. He could dribble, shoot, pass and rebound. [B]Defensively, he was excellent[/B]. He had quick hands and quick feet with a great understanding of the game. He could do it all."--B.J. Armstrong

"[B]There are certain things that Pippen does for that team that Michael doesn't do. Definitely defensively[/B]. I think offensively he's always conscious of getting the other guys involved. Not to take anything away from Michael, but I think Scottie is just more cognizant of the total package, and that makes them complement each other real well."--Julius Erving

"[B]He's the best defender I've ever seen[/B]. I put him in a class with Bobby Jones, Sidney Moncrief and certainly Jordan. But they're different. Jordan, at his position, may have been as good as there ever was. But Scottie could guard more positions than Michael. Scottie can handle more sizes."--Mike Dunleavy

"[B]Scottie was our team leader. He was the guy that directed our offense and he was the guy that took on a lot of big challenges defensively[/B]...the year that Michael retired, Scottie I think was the most valuable player in the league. He was probably the player most liked by others. He mingled. He brought out the best in players and communicated the best."--Phil Jackson

Last but not least...

[QUOTE=Michael Jordan (3ball's hero)]"[B]He sets the tempo defensively for us. He can disrupt anybody's offense[/B] because he can play anybody from the point guard to the five position."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoke117;13994820]Anyone who thinks Paul George or Jimmy Butler are better defenders than Scottie Pippen isn't worth responding to. It's not like you don't have an agenda or anything...right? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Again, there's no actual stats or evidence to say Pippen is a better defender than them - all the evidence points the other way

The only evidence you have is fluff quotes from people who couldn't recall big shots or anything strong in Pippen's offense, so they overrate his defense..

Again, only Pippen gets a pass for routinely averaging 15-16 ppg on 33-40% - he has 15 different series with these averages (17 on 40% for entire 96-98' Playoffs)... Butler doesn't get a pass because he's actually a good offensive player

[QUOTE=3ball;13994816]Did you read my last post?.. I said Pippen might be as good defensively as Paul George

But Pippen is overrated defensively because he's viewed as a BETTER defender than Paul George, while the stats and facts say otherwise - he never shut anyone down, and actually has an endless list of guys that went off on him.. furthermore, the bulls only had the #7 team defense during the 1st three-peat - 4 of 6 opponents in ECF and Finals had a better defense.. so Pippen's team defense is overrated along with his individual defense.. otoh, Paul George has the goat team drtg in 2014 (I think)... It doesn't mean he's this goat defender or anything, but at least the stats exist for you to claim he was.

Again - it's not that Pippen wasn't a good defender, but he wasn't better than Paul George or Jimmy Butler, who would NOT be excused for Pippen's garbage offense.. only Pippen gets a pass for routinely averaging 15-16 ppg on 33-40% - he has 15 different series with these averages (17 on 40% for entire 96-98' Playoffs)[/QUOTE]

Give us an example of a player shutting someone down in your opinion.

[QUOTE=3ball;13994830]Again, there's no actual stats or evidence to say Pippen is a better defender than them - all the evidence points the other way

The only evidence you have is fluff quotes from people who couldn't recall big shots or anything strong in Pippen's offense, so they overrate his defense..

Again, only Pippen gets a pass for routinely averaging 15-16 ppg on 33-40% - he has 15 different series with these averages (17 on 40% for entire 96-98' Playoffs)... Butler doesn't get a pass because he's actually a good offensive player[/QUOTE]

I've seen all three players play. (something I'm sure you can't say as you haven't watched ball in years) It's not even close. Anyone who has seen all three play knows Pippen was a much better defensive player than those two. Anyone who isn't nonstop lifting up their deity and tearing everyone of his teammates down that is.

[QUOTE]I've seen all three players play.[/QUOTE]

3ball has admitted he stopped watching in 2011 so he literally has never seen PG or Butler play. :lol

[QUOTE]furthermore, [B]the bulls only had the #7 team defense during the 1st three-peat[/B] - 4 of 6 opponents in ECF and Finals had a better defense.. so Pippen's team defense is overrated along with his individual defense[/QUOTE]

Damn, so 3ball is saying MJ is overrated as a defender? :lebronamazed:

[U]Bulls' defensive ranks with MJ as the primary defender (1989-1993)[/U]: 11th, 19th, 7th, 4th, 7th

[U]Bulls' defensive ranks with Pippen as the primary defender (1994-1998)[/U]: 6th, 2nd, 1st, 4th, 3rd

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13994842]3ball has admitted he stopped watching in 2011 so he literally has never seen PG or Butler play. :lol



Damn, so 3ball is saying MJ is overrated as a defender? :lebronamazed:

[U]Bulls' defensive ranks with MJ as the primary defender (1989-1993)[/U]: 11th, 19th, 7th, 4th, 7th

[U]Bulls' defensive ranks with Pippen as the primary defender (1994-1998)[/U]: 6th, 2nd, 1st, 4th, 3rd[/QUOTE]

This clown also keeps going on about who did he shut down, who did he shut down? Who gives a shit. I don't care about that. What made Pippen such a devastating defensive force out there was his help/team defense. As that gif that was posted shows where he's basically defending four different guys on one play. You want don't want Pippen glued to a player. That's a waste of what makes him the greatest perimeter defensive player ever. You want him to be able to disrupt the offense like he did vs the Jazz in their finals series. Sloan was constantly complaining to the refs during their two match ups that he was playing illegal defense because of how much he was ****ing with what they wanted to do.

[video=youtube;eOoWZNp0AlA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOoWZNp0AlA[/video]

[QUOTE=Smoke117;13994845]This clown also keeps going on about who did he shut down, who did he shut down? Who gives a shit. I don't care about that. What made Pippen such a devastating defensive force out there was his help/team defense. As that gif that was posted shows where he's basically defending four different guys on one play. You want don't want Pippen glued to a player. That's a waste of what makes him the greatest perimeter defensive player ever. You want him to be able to disrupt the offense like he did vs the Jazz in their finals series. Sloan was constantly complaining to the refs during their two match ups that he was playing illegal defense because of much he was ****ing with what they wanted to do.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Has any perimeter defender had series where they dominated defensively the way Pippen did the 98' finals or 98' ECF? He was wrecking the entire offense. Utah had the #1 offense and Indiana the #4 offense. Utah went from scoring 101 a game in the season to 80 in the finals; Indiana went from 96 in the season to 92 in the ECF.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13994851]Exactly. Has any perimeter defender had series where they dominated defensively the way Pippen did the 98' finals or 98' ECF? He was wrecking the entire offense. Utah had the #1 offense and Indiana the #4 offense. Utah went from scoring 101 a game in the season to 80 in the finals; Indiana went from 96 in the season to 92 in the ECF.[/QUOTE]
Pippen shot bad though, so obviously he's the worst player of all time and 3ball could beat him one on one.

[QUOTE=Smoke117;13994845]This clown also keeps going on about who did he shut down, who did he shut down? Who gives a shit. I don't care about that. What made Pippen such a devastating defensive force out there was his help/team defense. As that gif that was posted shows where he's basically defending four different guys on one play. You want don't want Pippen glued to a player. That's a waste of what makes him the greatest perimeter defensive player ever. You want him to be able to disrupt the offense like he did vs the Jazz in their finals series. Sloan was constantly complaining to the refs during their two match ups that he was playing illegal defense because of how much he was ****ing with what they wanted to do.[/QUOTE]

We've already given him examples, quotes. stats. Not sure what hed looking for.

3bsll want examples. How about game 2 of the 91 NBA Finals when Pippen held Magic Johnson to 31% shooting and 4 TOs.

Or the 96 ECF when in games 2-4, Pippen held Hardaway to 38% shooting.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13994851]Exactly. Has any perimeter defender had series where they dominated defensively the way Pippen did the 98' finals or 98' ECF? He was wrecking the entire offense. Utah had the #1 offense and Indiana the #4 offense. Utah went from scoring 101 a game in the season to 80 in the finals; Indiana went from 96 in the season to 92 in the ECF.[/QUOTE]

Pippen was glued to Mark Jackson and wasn't playing multiple guys more than mj or anyone else - so i've caught you guys making up narratives...

and those highlights show shading/help defense that everyone does - you don't think jordan has tons of help defense highlights and better than Pippen?.. you don't think Butler or George had highlights like that? You think we're stupid on here or something? ... Those highlights mean as much as the first brick I take when I go ball right now...

Ultimately, the Pacers had lesser offense in that series because MJ held their highest-volume player to 38% shooting and the Pacers were wearing down from guarding and doubling MJ, so they had less capacity for offense (MJ-ball wins the attrition battle)

[QUOTE=Smoke117;13994850][video=youtube;eOoWZNp0AlA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOoWZNp0AlA[/video][/QUOTE]

This has to be fake. Why is Kobe saying young players should emulate Pippen's defense? Doesn't Kobe know Paul George and Jimmy Butler are better defenders? He played against all three so why is he pretending Pippen is some kind of GOAT level defender?

I think the real answer here is the media is working to push Pippen. Think about it. When is the last time you turned on the TV and didn't see Pippen hawking some merchandise? Isn't he doing My Pillow ads these days, among others? The media is working overtime to hype Pippen because the money is with Pippen. The more hyped he is, the more ads he can sell and the more revenue he brings in to channels like ESPN. Hence the conspiracy to tell everyone how good he was--when we all know he [I]really[/I] was by the worst "star" of the 90's, as 3ball and co. have exposed. Was Pippen even better than Chris Gatling or Tyrone Hill? Would he even make an all-star team if he didn't play in Chicago?

[QUOTE]Pippen shot bad though, so obviously he's the worst player of all time and 3ball could beat him one on one.[/QUOTE]

True. Not only that, why was Pippen even on the floor? As 3ball says, Kukoc>Pippen. Why didn't they just make Kukoc the starting SF and have Pippen come off the bench during the same stints Randy Brown played? Phil Jackson is clueless. 3ball>Phil Jackson.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13994856]This has to be fake. Why is Kobe saying young players should emulate Pippen's defense? Doesn't Kobe know Paul George and Jimmy Butler are better defenders? He played against all three so why is he pretending Pippen is some kind of GOAT level defender?

I think the real answer here is the media is working to push Pippen. Think about it. When is the last time you turned on the TV and didn't see Pippen hawking some merchandise? Isn't he doing My Pillow ads these days, among others? The media is working overtime to hype Pippen because the money is with Pippen. The more hyped he is, the more ads he can sell and the more revenue he brings in to channels like ESPN. Hence the conspiracy to tell everyone how good he was--when we all know he [I]really[/I] was by the worst "star" of the 90's, as 3ball and co. have exposed. Was Pippen even better than Chris Gatling or Tyrone Hill? Would he even make an all-star team if he didn't play in Chicago?



True. Not only that, why was Pippen even on the floor? As 3ball says, Kukoc>Pippen. Why didn't they just make Kukoc the starting SF and have Pippen come off the bench during the same stints Randy Brown played? Phil Jackson is clueless. 3ball>Phil Jackson.[/QUOTE]

those highlights show shading/help defense that everyone does - you don't think jordan has tons of help defense highlights and better than Pippen?.. you don't think Butler or George had highlights like that? You think we're stupid on here or something? ... Those highlights mean as much as the first brick I take when I go ball right now...

Ultimately, the Pacers had lesser offense in that series because MJ held their highest-volume player to 38% shooting and the Pacers were wearing down from guarding and doubling MJ, so they had less capacity for offense (MJ-ball wins the attrition battle)

[QUOTE=3ball;13994859]those highlights show shading/help defense that everyone does - you don't think jordan has tons of help defense highlights and better than Pippen?.. you don't think Butler or George had highlights like that? You think we're stupid on here or something? ... Those highlights mean as much as the first brick I take when I go ball right now...

Ultimately, the Pacers had lesser offense in that series because MJ held their highest-volume player to 38% shooting and the Pacers were wearing down from guarding and doubling MJ, so they had less capacity for offense (MJ-ball wins the attrition battle)[/QUOTE]
Why should we believe anything you say when you've been caught lying numerous times on here? And make ridiculous claims like dunking 4 times on a row on Zach Randolph and scoring at will on Raja Bell?

[QUOTE=RRR3;13994861]Why should we believe anything you say when you've been caught lying numerous times on here? And make ridiculous claims like dunking 4 times on a row on Zach Randolph and scoring at will on Raja Bell?[/QUOTE]

I posted video of myself in flip-flops doing mid-range contested pull-ups that lebron avoids, and a behind-the-back crossover gather-step that he's since copied and increasingly uses as he ages (it's easier on the knees than a regular crossover in front of body)

And I promised to post a handles video this year.. I might film some of it right now.. we'll see

[QUOTE=3ball;13994865]I posted video of myself in flip-flops doing mid-range contested pull-ups that lebron avoids, and a behind-the-back crossover gather-step that he's since copied and increasingly uses as he ages (it's easier on the knees than a regular crossover in front of body)

And I promised to post a handles video this year.. I might film some of it right now.. we'll see[/QUOTE]

Don't forget the "many beautiful women" or the "hottest woman in Vegas". :lol

[QUOTE=3ball;13994865]I posted video of myself in flip-flops doing mid-range contested pull-ups that lebron avoids, and a behind-the-back crossover gather-step that he's since copied and increasingly uses as he ages (it's easier on the knees than a regular crossover in front of body)

And I promised to post a handles video this year.. I might film some of it right now.. we'll see[/QUOTE] Where's your videos? YouTube channel? I want to watch one of yr videos.

[QUOTE=3ball;13994865]I posted video of myself in flip-flops doing mid-range contested pull-ups that lebron avoids, and a behind-the-back crossover gather-step that he's since copied and increasingly uses as he ages (it's easier on the knees than a regular crossover in front of body)

And I promised to post a handles video this year.. I might film some of it right now.. we'll see[/QUOTE]
You posted a video in which we could barely see anything. Looked like you were filming some random guys at the park tbh. Where's the proof you played at FIU? Eh?

[QUOTE=RRR3;13994882]You posted a video in which we could barely see anything. Looked like you were filming some random guys at the park tbh. Where's the proof you played at FIU? Eh?[/QUOTE]

How do we even know it is him? Anyone can post a random video and claim it is them.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13994883]How do we even know it is him? Anyone can post a random video and claim it is them.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Dude filmed some guys at the park and claimed it was him.

[QUOTE=RRR3;13994884]Exactly. Dude filmed some guys at the park and claimed it was him.[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=RRR3;13994882]You posted a video in which we could barely see anything. Looked like you were filming some random guys at the park tbh. Where's the proof you played at FIU? Eh?[/QUOTE]
He averaged 1.9ppg at FIU off the bench

3ball was a decent baller but he's lying about all the interactions with NBA players.. for whatever reasons

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;13994960]He averaged 1.9ppg at FIU off the bench

3ball was a decent baller but he's lying about all the interactions with NBA players.. for whatever reasons[/QUOTE]
Where did you get his PPG?

[QUOTE=97 bulls;13994834]Give us an example of a player shutting someone down in your opinion.[/QUOTE]

Jordan held the opposing SG to 13-17 pts and 35-43% every series.. pretty much.. Drexler got 26 on 41%

Dumars, Isiah, Miller, Majerle, Starks, Nick Anderson, Gerald Wilkins, Ron Harper - locked them all down.. pretty much

[QUOTE=3ball;13995275]Jordan held the opposing SG to 13-17 pts and 35-43% every series.. pretty much.. Drexler got 26 on 41%

Dumars, Isiah, Miller, Majerle, Starks, Nick Anderson, Gerald Wilkins, Ron Harper - locked them all down.. pretty much[/QUOTE]

Decided to just pick Ron Harper randomly...1989 playoffs: Ron Harper - 19.6ppg on .565%fg. In 1988 the year before? 17.8ppg on 47%fg. So much for what you have to say. lmfao This is all beside the fact that most of those guys are 2nd rate stars (if they are even stars at all) anyway. Not exactly going up against Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Tracy Mcgrady, Dwyane Wade, Vince Carter is he?

[QUOTE=Smoke117;13995337]Decided to just pick Ron Harper randomly...1989 playoffs: Ron Harper - 19.6ppg on .565%fg. In 1988 the year before? 17.8ppg on 47%fg. So much for what you have to say. lmfao This is all beside the fact that most of those guys are 2nd rate stars (if they are even stars at all) anyway. Not exactly going up against Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Tracy Mcgrady, Dwyane Wade, Vince Carter is he?[/QUOTE]

Look up the others

MJ held the opposing SG to 13-17 on 35-43% shooting - it's facts - he locked his man up while everyone got theirs on Pippen and Pippen was frequently outplayed

Pippen was outplayed by 2nd options in over a dozen series that mj won... Guys like Kemp, Juwan Howard, Larry Johnson, X-man, Willis, Dumars, Ron Harper and many more outplayed this scrubs

[QUOTE=Smoke117;13995337]Decided to just pick Ron Harper randomly...1989 playoffs: Ron Harper - 19.6ppg on .565%fg. In 1988 the year before? 17.8ppg on 47%fg. So much for what you have to say. lmfao This is all beside the fact that most of those guys are 2nd rate stars (if they are even stars at all) anyway. Not exactly going up against Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Tracy Mcgrady, Dwyane Wade, Vince Carter is he?[/QUOTE]
Yea, but that was the generation of SG's directly inspired or imitating the lineage of Jordan's game himself.

So how would he be able to face prime little lesser clones of himself running around while he was dominating in his prime / peak of 1987 - 1998? Do you know how dumb that sounds?

Also, Jordan did quite well defensively or on both sides of the ball even at 39 and 40 years old on the Wizards against all those guys. In 1997, and 1998 he donkey dicked young Frobe, and Ray Allen

[QUOTE=WhiteKyrie;13995433]Yea, but that was the generation of SG's directly inspired or imitating the lineage of Jordan's game himself.

So how would he be able to face prime little lesser clones of himself running around while he was dominating in his prime / peak of 1987 - 1998? Do you know how dumb that sounds?

Also, Jordan did quite well defensively or on both sides of the ball even at 39 and 40 years old on the Wizards against all those guys. In 1997, and 1998 he donkey dicked young Frobe, and Ray Allen[/QUOTE]

Every 6-5, 6-6 athletic sg to immediately come after Jordan is not a clone, dumb ass. Kobe is the only clone of those guys as he patterned his game exactly after him. In fact, Pippen was actually Mcgrady's hero growing up. Also, Ray Allen had two back to back 27 point games against Jordan in 98.

The mimicking thing is overblown. They point to some players emulating Jordan but ignore Jordan himself did the same with David Thompson and Dr. J. Unless you were the first generation to play everyone had heroes.

[QUOTE=aceman;13994347]Awards don't mean much - Ron Harper was doing hard work for 2nd three peat & Jordan kept making all defense teams.[/QUOTE]

Jordan was a better defender.