OT: The size of earth..........

[QUOTE=B-Low]When you see just how small earth is in this universe it really makes people who think Earth has the only life look stupid[/QUOTE]

On the flip side, apperently there is a 0.0000something % chance of there ever being another ideal living condition for life to sustain. Factoring in breathable air, ideal climate, perfect distance from a sun, perfect size for gravitational pull, cluster of planets which may be able to protect it from an onslaught of meteors..... So it may be probable, it's almost immpossible.


The stupid thing is, we as a species are destroying that perfect condition slowly.

What makes you think that other life forms need those exact conditions to live?

Just cause humans need it doesn't mean every other lifeform in the universe does too.


GOBB is so right though. Humans are patheticly arrogent and narrow minded in thinking that we're the ONLY life forms in the ENTIRE universe.

[QUOTE=Jerm]I feel that time and matter are not connected, but that our measurement of time is connected to matter.

The fact that a second spent on the north pole is different from a second spent in a car traveling west at the equator at sea level and is also different from a super-sonic jet traveling high above the earth bothers me at a fundamental level and is unbeleivable.

This isn't a matter of seconds being lost. It is hte fact that 24 hours in one place can mean 50 years in another. The universe will have a hard time functioning if nothing obeys a time line. There is a time line which is why our universe can be able to even operate. Yesterday is yesterday. You can't go in a flight travelling at the speed of light and see your dead grandpa or see yourself when your balls haven't dropped. These are things that make me beleive that at a fundamental level, these things are wrong.[/QUOTE]

It may bother you but it truly is that way.
One thing you're confusing is that you can't manipulate time to go in to the past. But you can slow it for yourself so that you end up in the future relative to where you started. Time has one direction and that's foward. So even if you do manipulate it, you're manipulating it in the direction of the future, not the past.

Yesterday will always be yesterday because you'd need to be able to travel faster than the speed of light to be able to beat light from earth to the observation point, and that's not possible.

Whether it seems unnatural to you or not, time slowing down at high speeds has been proven through experimentation. You don't need to worry about it because we'd need to acheive incredibly high speed (fractions of light speed) for the effect to be noticable and we're not capable of doing that for now.

Did I say it was entirely impossible? Read again.

The point of my post was to state that humans ARE ignorant to the fact that we have close to THE perfect living conditions and we take it for granted.

[QUOTE=hateraid]Did I say it was entirely impossible? Read again.

The point of my post was to state that humans ARE ignorant to the fact that we have close to THE perfect living conditions and we take it for granted.[/QUOTE]

Yeah because a .000000something % doesn't imply that you're saying its impossible. What I'm saying is, we have a perfect conditions for HUMANS to survive.

Other planets may have other conditions for other lifeforms to survive.

[QUOTE=PureElement]if earth was the size of a quarter, the biggest sun would be the size of the earth.[/QUOTE]

haha.. there goes that idea!

I find reality too much of a spin out to be something randomly that just popped up.

dang uranus is huge:banana:

[QUOTE=ShannonElements]I believe that somewhere in deep space, there is a giant teapot - the size of 1 googolplex of our sun - floating around, but I have no proof of its existence. BUT, you also cannot prove that it does NOT exist...

God can be viewed in a similar light.[/QUOTE]

The thing is that people have presented miracles to show that this is God at work. Miracles that beat logical explainations. From both the biblical days and present days, miraculous events attributed to the power of God has been reported. This is one reason why billions of people believe that there is a God. You don't need to see him to believe it, all you have to do is experience him in your life. It's funny how countless atheists after coming close to death or contracting a terminal illness suddenly believe that there is a God and go out to experience him instead of asking people to show them God himself.

[QUOTE]Whether it seems unnatural to you or not, time slowing down at high speeds has been proven through experimentation. You don't need to worry about it because we'd need to acheive incredibly high speed (fractions of light speed) for the effect to be noticable and we're not capable of doing that for now.[/QUOTE]

You do know that due to the distance of certain galaxies from the earth, we see them how they were millions of years ago. Now if man can somehow move at the speed of light or even faster and travel to another galaxy. Chances are that we will expect him to see the earth how it was a million years before his arrival there which is completely ridiculous when you begin to list the implications of a universe with that sort of possibility. A universe where you can experience 2 lives per se.

Now forget about travelling backwards. Let's say you travel forwards in time and see the world a million years later. How can 1 human being age and another won't?...These things do not make sense. It applies to electrons and protons doesn't mean it will apply to a human being ( who is made up of these electrons/protons/neutrons by the way). This is why I insist that time in itself, the period from one moment to another is ****ing independent of matter but the way we measure it isn't. Sometimes science that goes beyong possibilities even when proven right mathematically just can't be true. The earth obeys Newtonian laws for a reason. We don't operate at high speeds because humans aren't subject to time dilation. This is what I think about this subject, it just can't apply to human being because time for us has to be absolute even though how me measure it doesn't have to be. A man can't be ageing while the other one isn't.

Solid Snake is a moron. I dont believe in any religion, just that a supreme being exists...GOD. You obviously read another mans reasoning/opinion on why things exists, how they were created etc etc and bought it. Good for u.

God D*** Jerm is an idiot. I tried to be nice cuz i thought i was getting to him so i made that gay post about "come to the darkside" so that he could feel better, and now i check on the topic and he is acting like a ****ing idiot. Why cant you get it through your thick skull that what we are saying is true. Jesus, just stop....you are too stupid to grasp the idea. Just keep saying "i call shenanagins" and "i dont believe it" and you will feel much better.

[QUOTE=SHADYMILKMAN]God D*** Jerm is an idiot. I tried to be nice cuz i thought i was getting to him so i made that gay post about "come to the darkside" so that he could feel better, and now i check on the topic and he is acting like a ****ing idiot. Why cant you get it through your thick skull that what we are saying is true. Jesus, just stop....you are too stupid to grasp the idea. Just keep saying "i call shenanagins" and "i dont believe it" and you will feel much better.[/QUOTE]


:roll: :applause: Check your reputation, he probably gave you 100 negatives.

lol yea pretty much....every post he didnt agree with he gave me negative. Well, thats my relative theory on it.

"You currently have -2 reputation points."

lol i had 8 last time i looked.

[QUOTE]lol yea pretty much....every post he didnt agree with he gave me negative. Well, thats my relative theory on it.
[/QUOTE]

You're dumb. I can't give you a rep. more than once because I gotta spread it around or something. Goes to show how your rep. has gone from 8 to -2 based on your idiocy in this thread while mine has gone from -15 to -8. Who's the idiot that can't make a coherent argument again?:confusedshrug:

Well, seeing as you had -15 rep before, and even give a **** about rep for that matter, the idiot would be you.

:roll:...You can't make an argument because you're not smart. Don't hate on me, just do what you do. Be a ****king retard on your PC.

[IMG]http://gummibearheads.com/ign/retard_keyboard.gif[/IMG]-[I]Jerm can't touch me. I got a nurse cleaning after me when I sh!t and pee, she even cleans me up every morning. Dang, she got a hot thing for me. [/I]

****ing retard.

Man, what are you talking about....3 people in this thread have told you that you were wrong, me being the meanest to you. After that you go, "dont believe Einstein, hes wrong", "i call shenanagins", "im gay", ''I just dont believe it", "its only theory"..

its ridiculous. Any argument in the world you could say its only theory. YOu are too proud to admit you had no idea what the hell you were talking about. You had no damn idea what you were saying, we proved you wrong, then you went to websites and looked for help, and finally you said "as a matter of fact its called time dilation" Then you looked at yourself in the mirror and said "damn im smart"

[QUOTE=SHADYMILKMAN]Man, what are you talking about....3 people in this thread have told you that you were wrong, me being the meanest to you. After that you go, "dont believe Einstein, hes wrong", "i call shenanagins", "im gay", ''I just dont believe it", "its only theory"..

its ridiculous. Any argument in the world you could say its only theory. YOu are too proud to admit you had no idea what the hell you were talking about. You had no damn idea what you were saying, we proved you wrong, then you went to websites and looked for help, and finally you said "as a matter of fact its called time dilation" Then you looked at yourself in the mirror and said "damn im smart"[/QUOTE]


Thats complete ownership! :roll:

Sidenote: i call shenanagins? Who says that?!?!!? :wtf: :roll:

[QUOTE] Any argument in the world you could say its only theory.[/QUOTE]

Nope. Many arguments are scientific laws. Relativity?...It's still a theory. You haven't shown me why I should believe you. Animals or even ants or w.e. haven't been shown to age slower when they're in higher speed more or less thinking I should believe that a human being will. You have no clue what you're talking about, you're just regurgitating what you read in your physics textbook without capability to think independent of that. You're like a cow,they feed it grass and it just regurgitates it and swallows it back it again.Why you'll choose to think that way?...Jerm doesn't know. The only explanation I can think of is that your brain isn't matured enough. :confusedshrug:

Shadow and PureElement admitted they weren't facts of life. You?...You're telling me they're facts of life. They're smart, you aren't. They think for themselves, you're just a tool.

[QUOTE=KobeLamarAgain]stupid asss loser on this board dont you have anything else to do with your time? i thought you were big bad gangster, shouldnt u be out hustling and hittin bittcches?[/QUOTE]

I just broke wind and it smells like kobelamarAgain

[QUOTE]stupid asss loser on this board dont you have anything else to do with your time? i thought you were big bad gangster, shouldnt u be out hustling and hittin bittcches?[/QUOTE]

That is for the night time my friend

[QUOTE=Jerm]Nope. Many arguments are scientific laws. Relativity?...It's still a theory. You haven't shown me why I should believe you. Animals or even ants or w.e. haven't been shown to age slower when they're in higher speed more or less thinking I should believe that a human being will. [/QUOTE]

That's not true at all. Relativity has been proven scientifically. Check your facts before posting such trash.

It hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt. That is the only fact in all of this. Every other thing we are saying are all opinions. Relativity isn't a law in physics.

Laws like aberration, Ampere's law, Archimedes' principle, Gauss' law, you won't see me arguing them on any day.

I like how everyone thinks a rocket is going to be our means of travelling in space. Space-time can be bent (albeit at near infinite energy requirements) that is our best bet of making it out of this galaxy. However, we as a species do not deserve space travel. Think about it. Humanity will spread out like locusts consuming every last resource in this universe likely killing off any chance of other higher species developing. Just watch Star Trek this is the sort of mindset human beings have towards the universe. I just hope if we do develop a means to travel to other inhabitable planets that "higher" species are already present there that could prevent such a disaster.

[QUOTE=Laker Logic]How do you think followers (or leaders) of the world's major religions would react if we discovered extraterrestrial life? Imagine the theological scramble to explain [I]THAT[/I] one. :roll:

For that matter, how do you think your average person would react?[/QUOTE]
Actually, extraterrestrial life might be alluded to in the bible, though many would argue with that interpretation.

Genesis 6:2 - ... the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Same chapter, verse 4 - when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Keeping an open mind about the two passages, it seems clear to me that at one point there was another group of beings on the planet called "the sons of God" who were not men. However, they were anatomically similar enough so that they could mate with women. The fact that the children they had with women were giants indicates that the "sons of God" were probably huge. Their DNA, when combined with normal women, made children who were larger and stronger than normal men.

No one has really explained those passages to my satisfaction. I don't believe that the "sons of God" were angels, because there is no other passage in the bible even hinting at angels physically screwing women. Besides, if they were angels, they would have been called that in the aforementioned passages.

So, if they weren't angels, then who were these super-human "sons of God?" Where are they now? Could it be possible that they were extraterrestrials who came down to Earth, then left?

Inquiring minds want to know....

This is all very interesting. However just one quick point that you might not like. None of this matters. What does matter is that similar dreamers such as yourselves in the federal government are putting billions of dollars into NASA every year, spending all their money and energy trying to figure this shiit out, when there are people starving in the streets of this country, nevermind others.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Actually, extraterrestrial life might be alluded to in the bible, though many would argue with that interpretation.

Genesis 6:2 - ... the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Same chapter, verse 4 - when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Keeping an open mind about the two passages, it seems clear to me that at one point there was another group of beings on the planet called "the sons of God" who were not men. However, they were anatomically similar enough so that they could mate with women. The fact that the children they had with women were giants indicates that the "sons of God" were probably huge. Their DNA, when combined with normal women, made children who were larger and stronger than normal men.

No one has really explained those passages to my satisfaction. I don't believe that the "sons of God" were angels, because there is no other passage in the bible even hinting at angels physically screwing women. Besides, if they were angels, they would have been called that in the aforementioned passages.

So, if they weren't angels, then who were these super-human "sons of God?" Where are they now? Could it be possible that they were extraterrestrials who came down to Earth, then left?

Inquiring minds want to know....[/QUOTE]

If their gametes fused then the Sons of God had to be men, two differnt species from different worlds can't reproduce. isolated populations like populations on different planets would undergo genotype divergence which would cause genetic drift.

[QUOTE=ShannonElements]People starving in the street need to get their acts together. Someday(5 billion years or so from now), the sun is going to super nova and the Earth is going to be destroyed. If humanity is to survive we're gonna have to get off this planet.[/QUOTE]

Chances are if we don't leave this planet we are probably extinct by then.

[QUOTE=SecondFiddle]If their gametes fused then the Sons of God had to be men, two differnt species from different worlds can't reproduce. isolated populations like populations on different planets would undergo genotype divergence which would cause genetic drift.[/QUOTE]
That's not necessarily so. How do you know that every species outside of Earth is so dissimilar to man that reproduction would be impossible?

Playing the devil's advocate here, its conceivable that another world with similar environmental conditions could give rise to a life form very similar to mankind. Maybe life in the universe isn't as vastly different as we might tend to believe.

Without direct hands-on experience with beings from other planets, that will remain an open question.

Going even deeper, there is more than a hint in a number of ancient documents that the species of man itself is a transplant from other planet - a transplant that was genetically engineered to be more like their "creators." Z. Sitchin promotes that theory in his books.

Still... who were the "sons of God?"

[quote]People starving in the street need to get their acts together. Someday(5 billion years or so from now), the sun is going to super nova and the Earth is going to be destroyed. If humanity is to survive we're gonna have to get off this planet.[/quote]
It's not that simple, and humanity will be LONG extinct in 5 billion years, get a clue. We're here NOW, we have to worry about the here and now, and in the here and now, AIDS is wiping out an entire continent and we're only putting in 1 billion over the next 4 years to help that but we put that much practically into 20 minutes of NASA operation. It's a waste of time and completely unimportant not just now, but in the future also. Consider that strides we've made as a people in just a couple hundred years; in that time we've practically already wiped out the cot damn ozone layer and we seem to be on the brink of a nuclear holocaust every decade. We're not gonna last 5,000 more years much less 5 billion. Let's take care of our own.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]That's not necessarily so. How do you know that every species outside of Earth is so dissimilar to man that reproduction would be impossible?

Playing the devil's advocate here, its conceivable that another world with similar environmental conditions could give rise to a life form very similar to mankind. Maybe life in the universe isn't as vastly different as we might tend to believe.

Without direct hands-on experience with beings from other planets, that will remain an open question.

Going even deeper, there is more than a hint in a number of ancient documents that the species of man itself is a transplant from other planet - a transplant that was genetically engineered to be more like their "creators." Z. Sitchin promotes that theory in his books.

Still... who were the "sons of God?"[/QUOTE]

for a human to reproduce the gametes have to fuse if they are different species the womens reproductive cells would reject the alien sperm cells. As would her white blood cells and if the alien cells somehoe did fuse the body would expell the fetus(miscarriage). Therefore, the two groups Gods and Man had to be the same species.

[QUOTE=SecondFiddle]for a human to reproduce the gametes have to fuse if they are different species the womens reproductive cells would reject the alien sperm cells. As would her white blood cells and if the alien cells somehoe did fuse the body would expell the fetus(miscarriage). Therefore, the two groups Gods and Man had to be the same species.[/QUOTE]
Again, not necessarily the case. Different species can reproduce. Horses and donkeys make mules. There are other examples of this as well.

That's a pretty simple case, but if one contemplates that the "sons of God" might be extraterrestrials with advanced technology, DNA manipulation have bridged the gap and prevented biological roadblocks to producing children.

This is all highly hypothetical, of course, but I've learned that very few things are "impossible" when viewed outside of their normal paradigms.

[QUOTE=SupermanOnSteroids]which planets and stars does jesus rule?[/QUOTE]
I think his contract with the Earth expires next season, so the Earth becomes free agent

[QUOTE=ShannonElements]I said something similar in a previous post. What do you think the odds are that there's extra-terrestrial life out there somewhere nearly identical to us? one-in-a-googolplex? Well, in terms of the universe, those are actually some pretty decent odds.[/QUOTE]
If mankind along with all life on the Earth were placed here by a Creator, who's to say that entity didn't do the exact same thing in another corner of the universe? Mankind might not be unique. One day, contact might be made by men who bascially look just like us....

Who knows if that will ever happen, but its interesting to think about.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]If mankind along with all life on the Earth were placed here by a Creator, who's to say that entity didn't do the exact same thing in another corner of the universe? Mankind might not be unique. One day, contact might be made by men who bascially look just like us....

Who knows if that will ever happen, but its interesting to think about.[/QUOTE]
If there were any other human beings out there, I think they would not look like us at all, look at the apes, they have about 99% of the DNA information in common with us and they are pretty different from us. It would also mean they have had the same weather conditions and their evolution have followed the same way, Anyway, it is a thought that makes me think long about...wouldn' it be nice?:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Jerm]The thing is that people have presented miracles to show that this is God at work. Miracles that beat logical explainations. From both the biblical days and present days, miraculous events attributed to the power of God has been reported. This is one reason why billions of people believe that there is a God. You don't need to see him to believe it, all you have to do is experience him in your life. It's funny how countless atheists after coming close to death or contracting a terminal illness suddenly believe that there is a God and go out to experience him instead of asking people to show them God himself.



You do know that due to the distance of certain galaxies from the earth, we see them how they were millions of years ago. Now if man can somehow move at the speed of light or even faster and travel to another galaxy. Chances are that we will expect him to see the earth how it was a million years before his arrival there which is completely ridiculous when you begin to list the implications of a universe with that sort of possibility. A universe where you can experience 2 lives per se.

Now forget about travelling backwards. Let's say you travel forwards in time and see the world a million years later. How can 1 human being age and another won't?...These things do not make sense. It applies to electrons and protons doesn't mean it will apply to a human being ( who is made up of these electrons/protons/neutrons by the way). This is why I insist that time in itself, the period from one moment to another is ****ing independent of matter but the way we measure it isn't. Sometimes science that goes beyong possibilities even when proven right mathematically just can't be true. The earth obeys Newtonian laws for a reason. We don't operate at high speeds because humans aren't subject to time dilation. This is what I think about this subject, it just can't apply to human being because time for us has to be absolute even though how me measure it doesn't have to be. A man can't be ageing while the other one isn't.[/QUOTE]

On one hand you're arguing the existence of god based on no evidence and then you're trying to disprove something of which we do have evidence? Anyway I won't go into the whole god thing but found that bit amusing. (Not your belief in God, just your argument for it. I believe in God so no issues there).

To respond to your other points.
you're saying that if you move at the speed of light or faster we'll be able to see the earth from the past.
Newsflash!
You can't travel faster than light. Which is what you'd need to do if you want to see earth from the past. The light from the past has already left us. Its like a race. Light's leadind the race and you're running behind trying to catch up but you can't catch up, ever. You can't even match speeds, hence you'll likely never be able to see earth's past unless you ended up in a blackhole where that light is trapped, but in that case time dilation would be the least of your problems. Further even if by some miracle you could see earth's past, whats the big deal. You can't affect the events. Its like watching a movie, which is light trapped on film in a sense.

Regarding your second point, atleast you're admitting that time does indeed slow down as speed increases at the quantum level. It does happen at the macroscopic level, as I've said before, it has been proven via experimentation.
The only thing is that for the effect to be noticable we need to be traveling at a much faster speed then we are capable off.

There are also other issues. As speed increase, so does an object's mass requiring more and more energy to make it go faster. There's no telling what would happen to a person once their mass approaches infinity, and since more mass=more energy needed to push it faster, you can't really ever reach that speed anyway.

[QUOTE=ShannonElements]Very interesting indeed. I love thinking about this stuff. Think about this: the universe stretches infinitely in all directions. Once you get past the perimiter of the ever-outwardly-expanding matter which was created in our Big-Bang, maybe 10 trillion googolplex of light years away, there was a similar 'bang', and somewhere within one of its many galaxies is a solar system eerily similar to ours, with a planet that's identical to ours in every way, only the Germans had won World War Two 60+ years ago. Impossible? Not at all. Actually, if the universe is infinite in size, far-fetched ideas like this are actually a mathematical probability. Think of alternate dimmension ideas, but instead of different dimmesions, VAST distances.[/QUOTE]
Interesting indeed. I happen to think that even if two far-flung planets were as identical as could be, and essentially the same life-forms sprang up on both - their histories would be totally different. In other words, there would probably not be a group on the "other" planet that were known as "Germans," etc.

But, all of this is pure speculation. If you haven't already read it, you would really enjoy a SF book titled, "Spin" by Robert Charles Wilson. It should be at your local library. To my mind, its the most fascinating, paradigm-shifting look at extraterrestrial interaction with Earth since "Stranger in a Strange Land."

here's for some interesting reading.

[url]http://www.sitchin.com/[/url]

The problem I have with that theory is that I don't think infinite space necessarily means infinity possiblities. It could just means infinite space..

[QUOTE=shadow]On one hand you're arguing the existence of god based on no evidence and then you're trying to disprove something of which we do have evidence? Anyway I won't go into the whole god thing but found that bit amusing. (Not your belief in God, just your argument for it. I believe in God so no issues there).

To respond to your other points.
you're saying that if you move at the speed of light or faster we'll be able to see the earth from the past.
Newsflash!
You can't travel faster than light. Which is what you'd need to do if you want to see earth from the past. The light from the past has already left us. Its like a race. Light's leadind the race and you're running behind trying to catch up but you can't catch up, ever. You can't even match speeds, hence you'll likely never be able to see earth's past unless you ended up in a blackhole where that light is trapped, but in that case time dilation would be the least of your problems. Further even if by some miracle you could see earth's past, whats the big deal. You can't affect the events. Its like watching a movie, which is light trapped on film in a sense.

Regarding your second point, atleast you're admitting that time does indeed slow down as speed increases at the quantum level. It does happen at the macroscopic level, as I've said before, it has been proven via experimentation.
The only thing is that for the effect to be noticable we need to be traveling at a much faster speed then we are capable off.

There are also other issues. As speed increase, so does an object's mass requiring more and more energy to make it go faster. There's no telling what would happen to a person once their mass approaches infinity, and since more mass=more energy needed to push it faster, you can't really ever reach that speed anyway.[/QUOTE]

Shadow, if you travel at the speed of light to some random planet and catch an image of earth, that image of earth is most definitely in the past relative to the time you're at your new destination/planet. I didn't mean past as to the time you were on earth. When you think about the implication that nothing follows a timeline, then this theory becomes straight up ridiculous. There has to be an absolute timeframe somehow somewhere for things to function.