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[QUOTE=G-train]Terrible post. Educate yourself.
I despise Bill Simmons but he knows more about Elgin than you at least.
[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081008"]http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081008[/URL][/QUOTE]
Great article.
****ing Boston fans :facepalm Broke into Russell's home trashed it and took a shit in his bed :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Great article.
****ing Boston fans :facepalm Broke into Russell's home trashed it and took a shit in his bed :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm[/QUOTE]
It's true that what was done to Russell was disgusting, but your misusing and misrepresenting the information by implying that it was done by "Boston fans". All it says in relation to the culprits is that they were his neighbors, dosnt say it was fans of the celtics. Do you really think celtics fans would break into their best players house and proceed to defecate upon his bed. No, i dont think celtics fans would do that.
[QUOTE=Kews1]It's true that what was done to Russell was disgusting, but your misusing and misrepresenting the information by implying that it was done by "Boston fans". All it says in relation to the culprits is that they were his neighbors, dosnt say it was fans of the celtics. Do you really think celtics fans would break into their best players house and proceed to defecate upon his bed. No, i dont think celtics fans would do that.[/QUOTE]
You vastly underestimate the strength of racism in the 50s.
[QUOTE=BlackVVaves]You vastly underestimate the strength of racism in the 50s.[/QUOTE]
Untill something can be presented as fact, dont use your personal assumptions to come to conclusions. It says nothing about Celtics fans and it is more likely that it wasnt Celtics fans. Yes racism did run that deep but in this particular article it dosnt make mention of that what-so-ever so assuming it is celtics fans is wrong
KGGGGG da gawd :bowdown:
[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]Wow KG getting overrated hard, this is a guy who proved in his career he was incapable of being built around as the first option. When I'm talking top 20 players all-time I want guys that can lead me to a title. At least Malone had his teams consistently elite. KG couldn't even make the playoffs IN HIS PRIME.[/QUOTE]
Is that a troll post? Malone never led his team to the title, Garnett did as a first option. Malone lost many times when he was favorite, Garnett always won when he was expected to, and sometimes he managed to pull some upsets.
To have consistently elite team, Malone had Stockton (GOAT pass-first PG) and a HOF coach, KG had neither till Celtics. Once Garnett got a solid Celtics team, he instantly won it all.
About your last point, with a trash teams prime Kareem also missed Playoffs, so did Kobe in his prime. Put Malone on those trash Wolves, and he would have done even worse, since he cant play [I]all [/I]positions on both sides of the floor, as Garnett had to.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]More MVPs, Baylor has none
More All-NBA Team Selections
More All-Star Selections
More career points
More career rebounds
More career assists
Baylor played with Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain and still won 0 rings.
Malone's best teammate was John Stockton, not counting 04 since he was in his 40s.
Yes I know Baylor had a 38/19 season, but that was in a different era. Walt Bellamy in his Rookie season averaged 32/19. Everybody's stats were inflated, and the fact that Baylor took 33 shots per game to get 38 points.[/QUOTE]
There were only 3 MVPs during Baylors playing days. And sure he'll get more pointss, boards, assist, all star games (Malon has 14 all stars and Baylor played 13 seasons.) When you look at it, Baylors peak he avg more points, rebouds and assist.
I will go with Zeke
[QUOTE=fpliii]solid vote
much more of a case than Mikan (who people voted for in the last thread), who did nothing of note after the advent of the shot clock[/QUOTE]
He retired before the shot clocked and made a half-hearted attempt at a comeback over a year later. His body was already broken down when he retired in 1954. Who cares what he did after the shot clock, during his eight professional seasons before it he won seven Championships (was injured the only year his team didn't win) and was MVP or the top All-League vote-getter six times.
He changed the offensive and defensive philosophy of the game, changed the rules, the dimensions of the court and as much as any player (actually more than any player) he is the reason Syracuse owner Danny Biasone conceived the shot clock. It was the famous 19-18 game between Mikan's Lakers and the Ft. Wayne Zollner Pistons where heavy stalling was used to keep the ball away from Mikan that put in motion the revolutionary rule change that so many players hold against Mikan claiming it is proof that his career was a symptom of his era.
Mikan's dominance was a result of his era in part, but the new era that followed was a result of Mikan's dominance to an even larger degree.
[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]There were only 3 MVPs during Baylors playing days. And sure he'll get more pointss, boards, assist, all star games (Malon has 14 all stars and Baylor played 13 seasons.) When you look at it, Baylors peak he avg more points, rebouds and assist.[/QUOTE]
are we comparing peaks?
I know he isn't going to win here, but I'll vote for Scottie Pippen to get him some recognition for the next few rankings hopefully.
IMO he's top 15-20 all-time. 6 rings, the GOAT perimeter defender and was a MVP caliber player. He was at least a top 5 player (and the best all-around player) and the best SF during his prime.
Dirk!
Dirk Nowitzki for leading a team with no all-stars to a championship. But like with what many have said, it's a toss-up amongst ~5 players, rank them based on which achievement you value most.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]More MVPs, Baylor has none
More All-NBA Team Selections
More All-Star Selections
More career points
More career rebounds
More career assists
Baylor played with Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain and still won 0 rings.
Malone's best teammate was John Stockton, not counting 04 since he was in his 40s.
Yes I know Baylor had a 38/19 season, but that was in a different era. Walt Bellamy in his Rookie season averaged 32/19. Everybody's stats were inflated, and the fact that Baylor took 33 shots per game to get 38 points.[/QUOTE]
You know nothing about Elgin Baylor. Anybody could just look his Wikipedia page and say what you did. Baylor took the Minneapolis Lakers to the Finals in his rookie season, with no Jerry West. Baylor was the original high fly act in the NBA. He still holds the record for most points scored in an NBA finals game with 61. By the time Wilt came to the team in '69 Baylor's body had been been slowing down for years due to his knee problems starting in 1965. What I find to be most impressive is his whole year of 1962. He was only able to play in half the games of the season because of his commitments to the US military. He only played in games when he could get weekend passes. But he still dominated with 38 points a game when he played, led the Lakers to the best record in the western division, and one shot away from winning the championship against Boston.
[QUOTE=goldcrow]Dirk Nowitzki for leading a team with no all-stars to a championship. But like with what many have said, it's a toss-up amongst ~5 players, rank them based on which achievement you value most.[/QUOTE]
Amazing how some people still underrate Dirk's place on the all time list.The guy won a ring with a team of role players. Every they played had more talent than them.
Dirk>>>>KG
Dirk should send LeBron flowers for the rest of his life :oldlol:
LeBron's choke in the finals has done wonders for Dirk's legacy:roll:
I vote KG
[QUOTE=RRR3]Dirk should send LeBron flowers for the rest of his life :oldlol:
LeBron's choke in the finals has done wonders for Dirk's legacy:roll:
I vote KG[/QUOTE]
I'll assume you only watched the finals and not the rest of the playoffs. Dirk's playoff run that year was legendary, beating teams in convincing fashion while being the underdogs the whole time. Don't hate the big german for being the backbone of a franchise. KG's cool and all but putting him in Dirk's place won't win them any rings.
I don't think it matters what players you put around KG. No team was going to win with him as the lead dog.
[QUOTE=RRR3]Dirk should send LeBron flowers for the rest of his life :oldlol:
LeBron's choke in the finals has done wonders for Dirk's legacy:roll:
I vote KG[/QUOTE]
They swept the hell out of the Lakers. Lebron choking shouldn't change the fact Dirk carried that average team to the Finals.
My vote would go for George Mikkan as #16. Or Scottie Pippen for #16
Wow. No Karl Malone? I vote for Karl Malone as #16
Wow...My man Elgin getting seriously disrespected...It's gonna be a shame if he doesn't even make top 20.
[QUOTE] I don't think it matters what players you put around KG. No team was going to win with him as the lead dog.
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Except the one he was 3rd in MVP voting on, all NBA first team, the leading scorer and rebounder in the playoffs, the leading 4th quarter scorer, and DPOY on a team that won with defense before he had like 27/16 to finish off the lakers. As his teammate from the time said:
Great post as always, Kblaze.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Except the one he was 3rd in MVP voting on, all NBA first team, the leading scorer and rebounder in the playoffs, the leading 4th quarter scorer, and DPOY on a team that won with defense before he had like 27/16 to finish off the lakers. As his teammate from the time said:
“This is my seventh year in the N.B.A. [B]I’ve been to the finals twice, and those teams were great. But they were not like this team,” Scalabrine says. “And the reason why is Kevin Garnett.[/B] The media perception about Garnett is real. When Kevin walks into the facility and the weight room, he jokes around and makes fun of guys. But then about 15 minutes before practice,[B] it’s all focus. It’s all work. If he is not clear about something, we don’t move on until we are all clear. He solves a lot of problems. I mean, I’ve played with good players. I played with Jason Kidd, and Kidd is an incredible gamer. But he was never as demanding of his teammates the way Kevin is. Not half as much. Not a quarter as much.”[/B]
Quote:
"You want a book? I can give you a book. I could sum it up in three words _ we have accountability," he said. "Kevin demands a high level of perfection out there. When we're tied, he's upset. That's how it is. The bar is set so high and that's where it needs to be set."
But that isnt leading the team because Paul Pierce had a 38 point loss in the finals that gave him the MVP while playing some of the worst postseason ball he ever had for much of the playoffs.
You can hate all you like. KG led that team. He was the driving force from the day he arrived and ive heard half the players and Doc Rivers say so.[/QUOTE]
3rd in MVP Voting because of his team won like 65+ games. Just shows that he wasn't a real superstar by not winning the award despite the massive team accolade which the media always takes into consideration. If KG plays the exact same way, but his team wins 40 games due to teammates getting hurt and other things he can't effect then he isn't even top ten. His "3rd in NBA MVP accomplishment"(lol what a joke) is a team driven award rewarded for the stacked team he was on.
Sorry, but I'm not going to care when a guy averages 18 PPG 10 RPG as being "the dominant leader".
KG was the [B]third[/B] leading scorer in the NBA Finals. 18 PPG on 43% from the field as a bigman. Pierce and Allen both averaed 20+ PPG. KG was not the first option when Boston won that title. That Boston team won because they had an overall stacked team, and incredible depth. Giving KG sole credit is laughable as best and just exposes the mancrush you have on him.
The 2008 Celtics were not built around KG, they simply added KG to their core which is when he is most successful. KG is a complimentary star for a winner, not THE star. When I talk all-time greats I want guys I can build around and win. Malone may not have won a title, but his teams were consistantly elite and if the ball bounced differently a few times he easily has a ring. KG isn't even in that conversation when he had a team catored to him. All he cared about was being the most payed player in the league prohibiting Minny from surrounding him with quality talent via Free agency.
[QUOTE] KG isn't even in that conversation when he had a team catored to him. All he cared about was being the most payed player in the league prohibiting Minny from surrounding him with quality talent via Free agency.[/QUOTE]
Just like Kobe's contract has prohibited LA from surrounding him with talent this year, right?
Let's really think about why Charles Barkley or Karl Malone or Kevin Garnett have a better NBA legacy than Bob Pettit.
Kg at 16. WTF??
Dirks better and he's 6 spots lower. But still KG at 16???? :oldlol:
Cant believe Zeke fell down to #25
thought he was gonna win this one after two pages