The Clippers should move Blake Griffin..

[QUOTE=qrich]No, I'm saying Atlanta would need to add in incentive to get the Clippers to consider. There is a ton of reasons for more incentive being needed than value. Such as marketability, age, potential, etc.

[B]Yes, chances are Smith will reup, just like Elton Brand was. Or Carlos Boozer was. Or chances are Iverson will lead Denver to the promised land. Or Horford won't miss any games. Shall I continue?[/B]

Horford and Smith will get murdered in the paint in the playoffs if they were to face the Lakers, the Grizzlies hell even the Jazz. I wouldn't be confident with them against the Nuggets either.

But hey, Smith is tons better than Blake. He's superior on offense due to putting up worse stats in more time and more shot opportunities and is a million times better on D due to rep.

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

that's totally irrelevant?

Anyways, you're argument about BG playing less minutes is absurd, he plays 2 minutes less per game. BG: 33 Mpg. Jsmooth: 35 :facepalm

And Smith takes 2 more shots than Griffen per game, you think that might have something to do with Smith being more of a focal point for the Hawks offense and basically being their # 1 option?

I think Smith could score just as many points as he already does on 2 less shots per game if he was playing with CP3 who will get you 2-3 easy looks per game as a PF..

Smith also add a shot blocking presence that isn't there with BG

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]that's totally irrelevant?

Anyways, you're argument about BG playing less minutes is absurd, he plays 2 minutes less per game. BG: 33 Mpg. Jsmooth: 35 :facepalm

And Smith takes 2 more shots than Griffen per game, you think that might have something to do with Smith being more of a focal point for the Hawks offense and basically being their # 1 option?

I think Smith could score just as many points on 2 less shots per game if he was playing with CP3 who will get you 2-3 easy looks per game as a PF..

Smith also add a shot blocking presence that isn't there with BG[/QUOTE]

No, it is relevant because all of those had "high" chances of occurring and did not.

Two minutes is two minutes. That is 4-6 offensive possessions.

And who is the #1 option on the Clips a majority of the time? Granted, its by committee, but Blake has had it for the past handful of games.

I think Blake would score more points without a legitimate point guard on the same amount of shots...oh wait, he already did. As opposed to your hypothetical question.

Smith adds a weak side shot blocking presence, which the Clippers do have with DJ.

Bottom line is, despite how close the value might or might not be, the Clippers would not consider that without much added incentive.

posting in a prole tread

[QUOTE=qrich][B]No, it is relevant because all of those had "high" chances of occurring and did not.
[/B]
Two minutes is two minutes. That is 4-6 offensive possessions.

And who is the #1 option on the Clips a majority of the time? Granted, its by committee, but Blake has had it for the past handful of games.

I think Blake would score more points without a legitimate point guard on the same amount of shots...oh wait, he already did. As opposed to your hypothetical question.

Smith adds a weak side shot blocking presence, which the Clippers do have with DJ.

Bottom line is, despite how close the value might or might not be, the Clippers would not consider that without much added incentive.[/QUOTE]


No it's not relative, it can go both ways b/c the whole reason you think BG is so valuable is b/c of "HIGH" chances of him living up to whatever you think his potential is.

So if we're not factoring in anything that hasn't happened yet, like smith re signing or BG living up to whatever you think his potential is then Smith + Horford would bring in more value than just BG himself..

BG's trade value is basically whatever you think his potential is, so you can't discredit the fact that J smith is likely resign with the Clippers if you're still putting in so much weight into what YOU think BG's potential might be.

CF86, you still haven't explained how that torn meniscus BG suffered in the Olympics had anything to do with his poor performance against the Spurs :confusedshrug:

I think 5 year from now Griffin will be one of the best players in the NBA

he has such a huge athletic frame that is just so hard to stop close range, and he is finding a good mid range shot now

He is still young and raw...he is going to be an NBA stud once he gets all the fine tuning in

Mark the injury was sustained in the playoffs, I already told you that. Ralph Lawler and Coangelo came out and said they strongly suspected it. It made perfect sense for Blake to hide the injury with a max deal coming up and I probably would have done the same thing. He definitely tore the Meniscus and hyper-extended the knee in game 4 of the Grizzlies series.

Rockets should get Blake. Anything is better than Patrick Patterson.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Mark the injury was sustained in the playoffs, I already told you that. Ralph Lawler and Coangelo came out and said they strongly suspected it. It made perfect sense for Blake to hide the injury with a max deal coming up and I probably would have done the same thing. He definitely tore the Meniscus and hyper-extended the knee in game 4 of the Grizzlies series.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Mark the injury was sustained in the playoffs, I already told you that. Ralph Lawler and Coangelo came out and said they strongly suspected it. It made perfect sense for Blake to hide the injury with a max deal coming up and I probably would have done the same thing. He definitely tore the Meniscus and hyper-extended the knee in game 4 of the Grizzlies series.[/QUOTE]


That sounds like a bunch of speculation mixed in with a bit of personal opinion.

And when he was "injured" against Memphis, he was able to return to the game..

Blake still had all his bounce in that SAS series..

He was fine for both of those series. He may have been a little banged up after the Memphis series, but he never missed a game and returned to the game after he got hurt, so i don't think he was "injured" to the extent that you think he was in the playoffs.

check this play out, GAME 3 of the 4 game series against the spurs

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z-Rrktf6x8[/url]

he doesn't look to have any signs of a torn mensicus or hyper extended knee :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]That sounds like a bunch of speculation mixed in with a bit of personal opinion.

And when he was "injured" against Memphis, he was able to return to the game..

Blake still had all his bounce in that SAS series..

He was fine for both of those series. He may have been a little banged up after the Memphis series, but he never missed a game and returned to the game after he got hurt, so i don't think he was "injured" to the extent that you think he was in the playoffs.

check this play out, GAME 3 of the 4 game series against the spurs

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z-Rrktf6x8[/url]

he doesn't look to have any signs of a torn mensicus or hyper extended knee :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

You don't watch Blake Griffin to be qualified to talk about it. I haven't missed a single game of his career. One or two explosive plays doesn't offset the tons of plays where it was obvious he just couldn't get off the ground well at all for a rebound or shot. I'm not sure if you know this but you CAN play with a minor or mild Meniscus tear. It will affect you athletically but you can still play.

BTW he was diagnosed openly with the hyperextended knee and Jason Powell our trainer said he would be out about two weeks if it wasn't a playoff series. Not sure what grounds you have to discredit NBA doctors or fans who watch Blake Griffin every game.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]You don't watch Blake Griffin to be qualified to talk about it. I haven't missed a single game of his career. One or two explosive plays doesn't offset the tons of plays where it was obvious he just couldn't get off the ground well at all for a rebound or shot. I'm not sure if you know this but you CAN play with a minor or mild Meniscus tear. It will affect you athletically but you can still play.

BTW he was diagnosed openly with the hyperextended knee and Jason Powell our trainer said he would be out about two weeks if it wasn't a playoff series. Not sure what grounds you have to discredit NBA doctors or fans who watch Blake Griffin every game.[/QUOTE]

Dude you keep flip flopping, at first you said this.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Yes I'm sure having a torn Meniscus and hyperextended knee in the playoffs is something players regularly play through :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

so at first Blake had a torn meniscus and hyperextended knee in the playoffs which was the reason for his poor play.

Now, it's "specualted" that Blake had a torn meniscus in the playoffs, and it makes "pefect sense to CF86" that he would hide his torn meniscus..?

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86] Ralph Lawler and Coangelo came out and said they strongly suspected it. It made perfect sense for Blake to hide the injury [/QUOTE]

Now it's that he only had a hyper extended knee

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]
he was diagnosed openly with the hyperextended knee and Jason Powell our trainer.. QUOTE]

so he was diagnosed with a hyperextended knee and during that same medical examination they somehow missed a torn mensicus?

And then you go on to admit that with a Meniscus injury the player will be affected atheltically..

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86] I'm not sure if you know this but you CAN play with a minor or mild Meniscus tear. [B]It will affect you athletically[/B] but you can still play.
[/QUOTE]

And then, theres all these videos of BG against the spurs last year in the playoffs where he OBVIOUSLY still has A lot of athelticism still left..

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukZsGM3NzgU[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0VVt6z5-90[/url]

tell me that guy bouncing off the walls in those videos is palying with a torn mensicus?

The announcer in the video even refers to the hyper extended knee and says "no signs of injury today"

i don't think with a torn mensicus, he would still be getting that type of lift

You're not making any sense at all. YES it's perfectly normal to diagnose a strain or hyperextension and miss a tear. Why? Because one requires an MRI and the other doesn't. Even then an MRI can miss small tears like Blake had initially and it sometimes takes 2 or 3 to spot something.

Bottom line is you're doing nothing more than talking out of your ass. You didn't watch the Spurs/Clippers series or the Grizzlies/Clippers series. A few highlight plays as your evidence proves just that. Anybody who watched both series can vouch for the fact that even with a few explosive plays here and there Blake was clearly athletically limited and nowhere near 100 percent.

Nothing is flip flopping about what you quoted. Most players DON'T play with these injuries because most players don't happen to get them when they are up for a 95 million dollar extension in a month and in a very competitive playoff series. It's very logical when you piece together the set of circumstances.

Bottom line is Blake was playing great in the first 4 games of the playoffs outside of the rebounding issues he was having. If you look at his numbers after the injury (similar to CP3) they declined pretty rapidly. His best game of the playoffs was the game he actually got injured late in the game (after he had done his damage).

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_b6Hrz1Wuk[/url]


BTW I think it could be a bit more complicated. Remember a torn Meniscus of the grade Blake had will heal on it's own without surgery. Maybe I'm wrong that he knew... and he didn't know so he played through it. But if you watch the play in the Olympics that injured him you'd understand why it's unlikely that a hit that soft on the knee would actually cause a tear. Which is why Coangelo said he feels it actually happened in the playoffs. Blake probably knew something else was up but avoided MRI for fear of his contract situation.

[QUOTE]
so he was diagnosed with a hyperextended knee and during that same medical examination they somehow missed a torn mensicus?[/QUOTE]
:applause:

[quote=Clippersfan86]You're not making any sense at all. YES it's perfectly normal to diagnose a strain or hyperextension and miss a tear. Why? Because one requires an MRI and the other doesn't. Even then an MRI can miss small tears like Blake had initially and it sometimes takes 2 or 3 to spot something.

Bottom line is you're doing nothing more than talking out of your ass. You didn't watch the Spurs/Clippers series or the Grizzlies/Clippers series. A few highlight plays as your evidence proves just that. Anybody who watched both series can vouch for the fact that even with a few explosive plays here and there Blake was clearly athletically limited and nowhere near 100 percent.

Nothing is flip flopping about what you quoted. Most players DON'T play with these injuries because most players don't happen to get them when they are up for a 95 million dollar extension in a month and in a very competitive playoff series. It's very logical when you piece together the set of circumstances.

Bottom line is Blake was playing great in the first 4 games of the playoffs outside of the rebounding issues he was having. If you look at his numbers after the injury (similar to CP3) they declined pretty rapidly. His best game of the playoffs was the game he actually got injured late in the game (after he had done his damage).

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_b6Hrz1Wuk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_b6Hrz1Wuk[/URL]


BTW I think it could be a bit more complicated. Remember a torn Meniscus of the grade Blake had will heal on it's own without surgery. Maybe I'm wrong that he knew... and he didn't know so he played through it. But if you watch the play in the Olympics that injured him you'd understand why it's unlikely that a hit that soft on the knee would actually cause a tear. Which is why Coangelo said he feels it actually happened in the playoffs. Blake probably knew something else was up but avoided MRI for fear of his contract situation.[/quote]

Was he playing to win or playing for a contract? If he had a torn meniscus he would be a fvcking idiot to step on the floor as more extensive damage could have been done
:facepalm

Why are they exclusive? Even Blake with a bum knee>>>>>>>Kenyon Martin so him being out sure as hell wouldn't help the team and quite honestly most players would prioritize their first max deal over winning a couple extra playoff games.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]No it's not relative, it can go both ways b/c the whole reason you think BG is so valuable is b/c of "HIGH" chances of him living up to whatever you think his potential is.

So if we're not factoring in anything that hasn't happened yet, like smith re signing or BG living up to whatever you think his potential is then Smith + Horford would bring in more value than just BG himself..

BG's trade value is basically whatever you think his potential is, so you can't discredit the fact that J smith is likely resign with the Clippers if you're still putting in so much weight into what YOU think BG's potential might be.

CF86, you still haven't explained how that torn meniscus BG suffered in the Olympics had anything to do with his poor performance against the Spurs :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

No, he is valuable for other reasons besides his potential. Such as his current play and the money he brings in, just to start off. Contract situation as well. That is what his trade value is, along with his potential.

And yes, I can discredit the fact that you saying Smith reupping is likely because I just mentioned a handful of scenarios, in which many people, thought was likely and ended up failing.

[QUOTE=qrich]No, he is valuable for other reasons besides his potential. Such as his current play and the money he brings in, just to start off. Contract situation as well. That is what his trade value is, along with his potential.

And yes, I can discredit the fact that you saying Smith reupping is likely because I just mentioned a handful of scenarios, in which many people, thought was likely and ended up failing.[/QUOTE]

John Hollinger of all people, a huge Clippers hater called Blake Griffin one of maybe 3 untradable players in this league. He said while he's not a top 3 player due to upside, age, contract, attitude and ability to sell tickets with his playstyle that he's untradable. Which I agree 100 percent on.

Early in the season I mentioned him being LESS untradable when he looked like he didn't give a fu** but he proved that was just an unusual funk and has bounced back to win NBA western conference player of the week.

[QUOTE=qrich] Or chances are Iverson will lead Denver to the promised land. Or Horford won't miss any games. Shall I continue?


:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

what the hell does allen Iverson not leading the Nuggets to a championship have to do with Jsmith resigning with the Clippers? :roll:




[QUOTE=qrich]No, he is valuable for other reasons besides his potential. Such as his current play and the money he brings in, just to start off. Contract situation as well. That is what his trade value is, along with his potential.

[B]And yes, I can discredit the fact that you saying Smith reupping is likely because I just mentioned a handful of scenarios, in which many people, thought was likely and ended up failing[/B].[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

Shawn Kemp

Amare Stoudemire

2 players who Blake gets compared to a lot.

both these guys were super hyped their first few years and had people thinking they had unlimited potential.

Both suffered injuries and were never the same player, players with BG's type of play style tend to break down over time. Therefore we shouldn't factor in Griffins potential in this hypothetical trade either then.

Your logic fails.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]what the hell does allen Iverson not leading the Nuggets to a championship have to do with Jsmith resigning with the Clippers? :roll:






:facepalm

Shawn Kemp

Amare Stoudemire

2 players who Blake gets compared to a lot.

both these guys were super hyped their first few years and had people thinking they had unlimited potential.

Both suffered injuries and were never the same player, players with BG's type of play style tend to break down over time. Therefore we shouldn't factor in Griffins potential in this hypothetical trade either then.

Your logic fails.[/QUOTE]

Because that was likely to be happen, and it did not, just like its "likely", with nothing to back it up, that Smith will remain with the Clippers after becoming an unrestricted free agent.

And, like I said, potential is ALWAYS factored in trades. But, like I have already posted, it also has to do with the contract issue and marketability as well.

But I guess it is too difficult for you to comprehend

Edit: And what the hell would you bold something in my post which you do not respond to at all?

Steve Blake for Blake Griffin.. Clips will get a solid back up pg for Paul..

Madsen I think you're severely underrating not only the value but the game of Blake Griffin and how good he can be. He's nothing like Amare or Kemp. He's way hungrier than both and has a significantly better work ethic. He's been the first and last to leave the gym since he was drafted. Sure the other two PF's had elite skill sets/athleticism for PF's but they also had piss poor attitudes and work ethics so it's not remotely comparable.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]:biggums:

Chris Paul is a proven All star / All pro in the league, that's a rare thing and you don't choose an unproven big man [B]who's declined in each of his 3 years in the league over that.[/B]

I'm not sure there 1 GM who would take Griffin over CP3, i'm positive there is not. cp3 has proven time & time again that he can lead a team into the playoffs, Griffin has not.

And i don't think anybody ever really expected this to be one of the best pnr combo's of all time? Griffin had only 1 year of playing before cp3 came to town.. it's not like he was some proven top 10 player in the league by that time.

Besides, if you're a free agent who isn't a point guard are you really going to choose to go to the team led by Blake Griffin or the team led by Chris Paul?

I wonder if we poll'd Lebron, Durant, Kobe, and the other top players if they'd rather play with Paul or Griffin..

CP3 can attract other free agents, cp3 is a proven player in this league and the best pg playing right now, you act like bringing in a lesser player to play pg will make the clippers better?

Blake Grffin is the one who needs to adjust his game for cp3 b/c guess what? when BG was doing his own thing & getting stats the clippers were a joke, but with cp3 at the point they clips are a legit playoff team. Cp3 is a proven all NBA player, [B]he's the best pg in the league and if he thinks ignoring Griffin is what is best for the team, then he's probrably right.[/B][/QUOTE]

this proves you haven't watched any games this year. #'s lie. Griffin's shot has improved, and he has an elite handle and passing game for a big.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Madsen I think you're severely underrating not only the value but the game of Blake Griffin and how good he can be. He's nothing like Amare or Kemp. [B]He's way hungrier than both[/B] and has a significantly better work ethic. He's been the first and last to leave the gym since he was drafted. Sure the other two PF's had elite skill sets/athleticism for PF's but they also had piss poor attitudes and work ethics so it's not remotely comparable.[/QUOTE]


Is that a fact? You're entire post is nothing but opinion and a very biased one at that.

How do you know how hungry Kemp & Amare were in the begining of their careers? Do you know that for a fact.

Are you really going to sit there and tell me that a player who was drafted straight out of high school wasn't hungry

? He played pretty damn well for a kid straight out of high school his rookie year, im sure that was due to his piss poor work etthic huh :confusedshrug:

and are you really going to sit there and say that somebody who came back from microfracture surgery has a piss poor attitude and bad work ethic

:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=ralph_i_el]this proves you haven't watched any games this year. #'s lie. Griffin's shot has improved, and he has an elite handle and passing game for a big.[/QUOTE]

20 games doesn't change who i think the best pg in the league is :confusedshrug:

just last week ESPN had him in their top 10 mvp canidtates. I guess my opinion of him being the best all around pg in the league isn't too far off

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Is that a fact? You're entire post is nothing but opinion and a very biased one at that.[/quote]

Just like its a fact that Smith will "likely" reup with the Clips.

[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Is that a fact? You're entire post is nothing but opinion and a very biased one at that.

How do you know how hungry Kemp & Amare were in the begining of their careers? Do you know that for a fact.

Are you really going to sit there and tell me that a player who was drafted straight out of high school wasn't hungry

? He played pretty damn well for a kid straight out of high school his rookie year, im sure that was due to his piss poor work etthic huh :confusedshrug:

and are you really going to sit there and say that somebody who came back from microfracture surgery has a piss poor attitude and bad work ethic

:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


You are right about this post but you are comparing Blake to wrong players.

Blake has much higher IQ then both. Blake is not a One dimensional player like Kemp and Amare was their first 3 years.

Blakes potential is High VERY HIGH and is being over shadowed by his Dunks and CP3.

In the Other hand Amare was Benefited by Nash not held back like Blake.

marcus morris, patricia patterson, tony douglas and greg smith (maybe even throw in Terrence Jones or D-Mo) for air blake, some clipper scrub that never see playing time (Travis Leslie) and billups (free up playing time for bledsoe). f[B]u[/B]ck wat ya heard. :rockon:

Last season, I suggested the Clippers trade Blake Griffin to the Magic for Dwight Howard, to create one of the league's best duo's in Chris Paul + Dwight.

Then, either keep DeAndre short-term as a backup C, and enjoy the league's best 1-2 punch in the Center position, or trade him too.

I would have shooken that roster up, and ended up with Chris Paul and Dwight Howard in their primes + role players. That's a legit championship team.

I don't trust Griffin's knees. He's another season ending injury waiting to happen, and I don't like his game as much as I like Dwight's next to CP3.

[QUOTE=3LiftHeatCurse]Last season, I suggested the Clippers trade Blake Griffin to the Magic for Dwight Howard, to create one of the league's best duo's in Chris Paul + Dwight.

Then, either keep DeAndre short-term as a backup C, and enjoy the league's best 1-2 punch in the Center position, or trade him too.

I would have shooken that roster up, and ended up with Chris Paul and Dwight Howard in their primes + role players. That's a legit championship team.

I don't trust Griffin's knees. He's another season ending injury waiting to happen, and I don't like his game as much as I like Dwight's next to CP3.[/QUOTE]

CP3 + Dwight would be unfair to the league so it will never happen for basketball reasons.

I think clipps only players that should maybe be traded are buttler, green and jordan other then that they got a good thing going, filling seats and winning games if they stay healthy and odom keeps improving theyre legit contenders

You guys need to stick to watching more and offering less scenarios. Any of you saying Blake for Howard don't understand that trades have WAY more going on than talent. Dwight is a locker room cancer and would destroy the family environment this team has created. Not to mention he can walk in free agency and is not looking the same after back surgery. If Dwight was so great Lakers fans wouldn't already be fed up with his shit.

Madsen hunger is easy to guage. It's the guy in the gym before everybody else daily and the last to leave. Kemp and Amare were never that guy, Blake is. Not to mention Blake has a more unique and special skillset to begin with. Basketball IQ and court vision weren't strengths of either. Stop comparing just because they are elite dunkers.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]You guys need to stick to watching more and offering less scenarios. Any of you saying Blake for Howard don't understand that trades have WAY more going on than talent. Dwight is a locker room cancer and would destroy the family environment this team has created. Not to mention he can walk in free agency and is not looking the same after back surgery. If Dwight was so great Lakers fans wouldn't already be fed up with his shit.

Madsen hunger is easy to guage. It's the guy in the gym before everybody else daily and the last to leave. Kemp and Amare were never that guy, Blake is. Not to mention Blake has a more unique and special skillset to begin with. Basketball IQ and court vision weren't strengths of either. Stop comparing just because they are elite dunkers.[/QUOTE]

Amare and Griffins game are similar griffin is a better passer but amare hiys his fts, their offensive game and liability on defense is very similar.

Griffin is young and isn't even finished developing yet.

good ol amare and his lazy work ethic the other day[IMG]http://distilleryimage10.s3.amazonaws.com/bc98951c415611e28ad722000a9f1498_7.jpg[/IMG]

Amare's work ethic has been significantly better in NY. Blake as a rookie was already one of the hardest working players in the NBA.

[QUOTE=Clippersfan86]Amare's work ethic has been significantly better in NY. Blake as a rookie was already one of the hardest working players in the NBA.[/QUOTE]

I was always curious how the hell anyone not with the organization would know how hard someone works? Because of people inside the organization saying it? Of course they are going to say that about their own players. People read stuff on forums and assume its true or listen to "clippers" insider saying stuff even though it could be made up.

Just like Griffin's injury of course Clipper people are going to say he tore something when it simply was never true, he was benched in the playoffs because he was getting worked.

[QUOTE=brandonislegend]I was always curious how the hell anyone not with the organization would know how hard someone works? Because of people inside the organization saying it? Of course they are going to say that about their own players. People read stuff on forums and assume its true or listen to "clippers" insider saying stuff even though it could be made up.

Just like Griffin's injury of course Clipper people are going to say he tore something when it simply was never true, he was benched in the playoffs because he was getting worked.[/QUOTE]


This exactly. CF86 its disgusting how you devalue other players and their supposed "lack of work ethic" just to make BG look better.

CF86 you claimed that BG has been the first person in the gym and the last person to leave since his rookie year.. Do you know for a fact?

have you been to every clippers practice since BG's rookie year??

You sound like an idiot when you claim somebody like Amare, who has bounced back from numerous injuries has a "piss poor" work ethic :no:

From Chris Kaman last week (someone who has no reason to be nice to Blake or the Clippers):

“[B]Let me tell you something, that guy works harder than anybody I’ve ever met — I’m talking about anybody I’ve ever met. He works harder than any of them[/B],” Kaman said. “He comes back to the gym two and three times a day, he works the weights, he runs, the guy’s a freak. I don’t know how he can endure all that on his body, but he’s able to and he still comes out and he plays as hard as anybody I’ve ever seen for the 35 to 40 minutes he’s in the game.”

[url]http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/12/06/a-belief-blakes-game-is-on-the-rise/[/url]

I was wondering when the Clippers will make the move. Let's face it, you know you have a PF who keeps declining since his rookie season, and you definitely want to trade him while he still has value. The way Blake Griffin degrades season after season makes it a rather urgent business, if you still wish to get some decent players from him.

I am pretty sure I already post this but the Clippers are not trading nothing. if you see the numbers and the minutes before Paul came to the team you can see it is getting worse thanks to him making the pass to everybody on the team and all of them getting their numbers.

BG numbers are good anyways, the only bad thing about him is his defense (getting better every year) and his Ft's.

He is still in his third year, he only needs time to become better.