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[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]No...from my perspective, I will not be tipping at all. These workers are making a wage, there's no reason to tip. From now on, I will not be tipping anyone.
YOU don't complicate it.[/QUOTE]
:biggums: You are honestly f*cking retarded. Reading comprehension of a 10 year old.
Do you still plan to eat out at restaurants?
[QUOTE=red1]:biggums: You are honestly f*cking retarded. Reading comprehension of a 10 year old.
Do you still plan to eat out at restaurants?[/QUOTE]
I think you are just plain retarded and do not understand how majority of businesses operate. You do know over 60% of restaurants are mom and pop shops. So how is my hypothetical a convoluted scenario where it will never happen.
Go tip your 20% everywhere you go. I will, in the meantime, tip them nothing.
What you really don't understand is that many businesses function outside of America and Canada without having to tip. The service is great because its part of the job. Only in north america do you get this asshole stigma when you don't tip your server.
I truly believe you don't know what you are talking about. My main issue is that mandatory tips should not be assessed on people's bill. There should not be a social stigma to tip someone 15%. I should be free to tip whatever i want, which should be $0 if i feel like.
I have had waiters run out of the restaurant to ask for more tips because I only gave them a 5% tip. They said it was mandatory I give 15%.
Do you not understand this??? Maybe you are the one with the reading comprehension problem.
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]I think you are just plain retarded and do not understand how majority of businesses operate. You do know over 60% of restaurants are mom and pop shops. So how is my hypothetical a convoluted scenario where it will never happen.
Go tip your 20% everywhere you go. I will, in the meantime, tip them nothing.
What you really don't understand is that many businesses function outside of America and Canada without having to tip. The service is great because its part of the job. Only in north america do you get this asshole stigma when you don't tip your server.
I truly believe you don't know what you are talking about. My main issue is that mandatory tips should not be assessed on people's bill. There should not be a social stigma to tip someone 15%. I should be free to tip whatever i want, which should be $0 if i feel like.
I have had waiters run out of the restaurant to ask for more tips because I only gave them a 5% tip. They said it was mandatory I give 15%.
Do you not understand this??? Maybe you are the one with the reading comprehension problem.[/QUOTE]
:roll: you have a low IQ
If you don't want to tip just don't eat out at restaurants. Prepare your meals at home or grab fastfood when you are hungry and not at home. If this issue bothers you that much then move to one of those countries that you mentioned where tipping is not expected.
Problem solved.
Then you are saying, well here in toronto the minimum wage is not $8. How do they survive with less than minimum wage?
You know what? You don't even know how your damn city operates. Do you know how much waiters base pay is? YOU DON"T
Do you even know how much minimum wage is? YOU PROBABLY DON"T.
You automatically assume that your city is making $8 an hour so its impossible for servers to survive.
Why don't you do the research and find out whether 1. does your server get paid under minimum wage and require tips to make up the rest?
Do not comment until you find out this answer.
I know the answer in my city. In California, people at the minimum get a $8 an hour wage regardless of tips. Some other states do not. They make $2.50 an hour and need tips to make up the rest. In those scenario, the food price isn't marked up. But in california, its actually safe to assume business owners marked up the prices on their menu to pay for this extra wage.
[QUOTE=red1]:roll: you have a low IQ[/QUOTE]
Thats all you are saying.
Its like you make an argument.
My retort is You are dumb.
Why don't figure it out before making comments. You don't make any other arguments because you CAN"T.
The only reason you tip is because social stigma dictates that you tip and you should do it.
It's only a matter of time before you get a serious case of food poisoning
Tipping sucks but you do it because the person waiting
has a shittier job lol. Plus if they did a good job why not?
Bar tenders are a rip off and honestly I tip them the lowest lol.
Tipping is best for strippers!
I explained it to you so many times that I now realize you are just not capable of understanding what I am telling you. Seriously. You just can't grasp it. I will only repeat it one more time.
When you dont tip, the person you are screwing over is the waiter or the waitress. It is an unwritten expectation that a waiter or waitress will recieve some of their income from your tip. This is built into the way they are paid, this is the way the restaurant industry works. When you recieve good service but you do not tip, then the waiter or waitress is not getting paid for their work.
For the last f*cking time, if you don't like the way it works, THEN DON' EAT THERE. If I am an anti-gay marriage nutcase then I won't spend my days in a gay club. IF YOU ARE ANTI TIPPING THEN DON'T EAT OUT AT RESTAURANTS. If you go to a restaurant and refuse to tip despite recieving service, THEN YOU ARE BEING CHEAP AND INCONSIDERATE.
End of discussion
[QUOTE=red1]
When you dont tip, the person you are screwing over is the waiter or the waitress. It is an unwritten expectation that a waiter or waitress will recieve some of their income from your tip. This is built into the way they are paid, this is the way the restaurant industry works. When you recieve good service but you do not tip, then the waiter or waitress is not getting paid for their work.[/QUOTE]
What grade are you in? I explained this over and over that the waiter will receive their income $8 per hour as they are paid. I am not screwing anyone over. If they don't like their job, get another one. Get an education. Get some more experience instead of waiting.
Good service is inherent to their job. Service is PART OF THE JOB, if you do not know what inherent means.
I'm most positive that you do not know this, but in Japan, they provide excellent service without you needing to tip them. Because as I mentioned, its part of the JOB.
Then you will ramble on about needing to get paid more by the owners. And I explained this many many times.
[QUOTE]IF YOU ARE ANTI TIPPING THEN DON'T EAT OUT AT RESTAURANTS. If you go to a restaurant and refuse to tip despite recieving service, THEN YOU ARE BEING CHEAP AND INCONSIDERATE.[/QUOTE]
You just proved what L.Kizzle said about tipping..that you are ONLY doing it because you don't want ot be an asshole. HAHAAHAHAH...you are a big ass moron.
GG. I'm not entering this thread again. You are done. Go watch your crappy raptors now. Not even vince carter want to play there.
bmoge you are one of the dumbest posters I have had the displeasure of arguing with on this board
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I eat out at restaurants all the time and I tip well
but I don't feel it's right that servers at denny's
can make around 50 dollars an hour, at all.
I live in Cali and have witnessed this happen
with wack waitresses might I add. It happens more times than not.
All they do is wait for food, usually let it sit for days for no reason lol
bring out drinks and expect at least 15% all the while giving the
same horrible service to 5 tables at the same time racking up tips.
Too many variables go into it. I can see why people working
harder jobs with higher education getting payed less can be jealous
and frustrated. Places back east and down south making 2.50
an hour get your Tip on lol.
I always tip well but I honestly can understand the argument of why we tip waitress but not the subway guys. Usually if someone gives me a receipt to sign and there's a tip space there, I'll put at least a dollar on there. They make min wage too and make the food and serve it to you (kinda).
I always tip at the bar. Why? Because I don't have huge tits.
I hate tipping, therefore, i rarely dine out. This is coming from an ex-waiter btw.
PS most restaurants would not go out of business by paying waiters minimum wage, most mom and pop places hire illegals who work off the books in their kitchen and save a ton by not having to pay for insurance, payroll taxes and so forth. Not to mention the cash they don't disclose. They could pay more to their servers and the successful places would not go out of business but American society has been suckered into thinking that tipping is the norm.
In every tipping topic, the pro-tipping people who can't fathom why others think tipping is dumb always have the same arguments, few which are logical and lead to them threatening people who don't tip by saying their food will be ****ed up. And you wonder why people don't want to tip, lol.
"give me some extra money or i'll **** up your food", :facepalm
I agree with some points made on both sides. Tipping is necessary, but it shouldn't be expected or automatic. I hate the mentality servers have where they expect a tip and are only satisfied if it's better than a few bucks. Good service should always be provided with the exception of the few people who constantly dine at your place of work, make your life hell and never leave a gratuity.
I pretty much always tip at full service restaurants, but not large amounts like some feel is necessary unless the service was worth it. I don't go by % of the bill, because I don't think it should matter if the plate of food you carried to my table was worth more than what a server at Applebee's carries out. Most of the time I leave 2-3 bucks. I don't think a server should expect more and should be glad for that, and this coming from someone who has worked gratuity-based jobs. At the end of even a slow day the people working these jobs clear more than other restaurant employees (cooks, dishwashers, etc.) and usually make off pretty well considering the jobs are not that demanding.
You don't have to if you really hate it, I guess I just do it cause its expected. Plus, if someone provides a nice service, I like to reward them for it
[QUOTE=Loneshot]In every tipping topic, the pro-tipping people who can't fathom why others think tipping is dumb always have the same arguments, few which are logical and lead to them threatening people who don't tip by saying their food will be ****ed up. And you wonder why people don't want to tip, lol.
"give me some extra money or i'll **** up your food", :facepalm[/QUOTE]
I don't know why i was wasting so much time talking to that guy...thats just how dumb red1 is.
[QUOTE=ALBballer][B]I hate tipping, therefore, i rarely dine out.[/B] This is coming from an ex-waiter btw.[/QUOTE]
That is the correct attitude. If you don't want to tip, then don't eat out. Am I correct in assuming that the times you do eat out you do tip?
Because if you're eating at a restaurant you can afford it and if you're working at one you need all the money you can get.
You cheap-ass mother ****ers. $8 an hour and you think you shouldn't have to tip them?
Here's something to lull on. In Australia most waiters/waitresses would be on at least $20 an hour assuming they are over 18 (no tips). The service here is generally SHIT. No water refills, no one cares about you as long as they've got your order and gotten your food. Have to ask for dessert menus most of the time.
I went to the USA this year and the service was 100x that of what we get here. I'm more than happy to tip a measly 15% to get that great service, especially considering in most states they aren't even making 8 FREAKING DOLLARS an hour.. whether they are making minimum wage or not, tip them you cheapskates.
TL;DR: Get a job you ****ing bums.
if minimum is not enough, then tip the cashier at the grocery store, tip the janitor, tip everyone at Walmart
[QUOTE=flipogb]if minimum is not enough, then tip the cashier at the grocery store, tip the janitor, tip everyone at Walmart[/QUOTE]
Sounds like the kind of excuse a bum with no job would use :sleeping
[QUOTE=maybeshewill13]Sounds like the kind of excuse a bum with no job would use :sleeping[/QUOTE]
Sounds like the type of logic food service workers don't want people considering.
[QUOTE=Loneshot]Sounds like the type of logic food service workers don't want people considering.[/QUOTE]
Another bum :sleeping Get a job.
[QUOTE=maybeshewill13]Another bum :sleeping Get a job.[/QUOTE]
So let's get this straight...where is tipping accepted and at what rates?
Bar ~ $1 dollar on a $4-8 dollar drink
Restaurant ~ 15-20%
Delivery Drivers ~ Round up method, i.e 18.25 would be a $20
I can honestly say, having done all three jobs, that they don't deserve a tip anymore than the person working at the local CVS or Walgreens or Walmart.
Now, those are shitty jobs for little pay. You have to stand all day, you move boxes, you gotta check out person after ungrateful person, you gotta help people make decisions about products you know or don't care about, and you have to deal with RETURNS.
When I worked as a bartender/catering company I got paid $15 an hour (3 hour events) to pour wine and a choice of 5 easy as hell to make beverages. The actual bartending part lasted maybe 1.5 hours. Got tipped about $1 from everyone, made $50-150 in tips usually. Equated usually to $145 for 4 hours for doing such easy work.
To do this day, I don't think I deserved any sort of tip for doing that. It's a good gig and I should be doing it with a smile on my face. On the other hand, when I worked at Longs Drugs I walked old ladies bags to their car maybe 500 times, and at most got offered something (gum, or $1) a few times. And I lived in Silicon Valley so it's not like people didn't have money.
Edit: If you work at clothing store, offer opinions etc I understand you get rewarded with sales commission sometimes. In the same respect, unless you work at a fancy restaurant and are some guru of grub offering recommendations you shouldn't be getting a tip. The chick that works at Denny's that says whatchya want? Stack of pancakes, aight. That's not tip worthy to me. Doesn't mean she works any less hard, just that she is lower on the totem pole. If she wants to stack bread, she should get a different job at a real restaurant. If she can't move up..i sympathize but i don't want to pay 50% taxes, and i don't want to have to tip to subsidize other people's lives.
[QUOTE=RoseCity07]Because if you're eating at a restaurant you can afford it and if you're working at one you need all the money you can get.[/QUOTE]
Thats horshit. Many of these waiters get paid under the table and at any decent place they are making over triple the minimum wage. I made more as a waiter then i do in my current job at an hourly rate.
[QUOTE=red1]That is the correct attitude. If you don't want to tip, then don't eat out. Am I correct in assuming that the times you do eat out you do tip?[/QUOTE]
Yes i do, 15-20 percent.
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]Yes you do...people demand 15%[/QUOTE]
i usually give 20% minimum unless the service is terrible.
[QUOTE=sundizz]So let's get this straight...where is tipping accepted and at what rates?
Bar ~ $1 dollar on a $4-8 dollar drink
Restaurant ~ 15-20%
Delivery Drivers ~ Round up method, i.e 18.25 would be a $20
I can honestly say, having done all three jobs, that they don't deserve a tip anymore than the person working at the local CVS or Walgreens or Walmart.
Now, those are shitty jobs for little pay. You have to stand all day, you move boxes, you gotta check out person after ungrateful person, you gotta help people make decisions about products you know or don't care about, and you have to deal with RETURNS.
When I worked as a bartender/catering company I got paid $15 an hour (3 hour events) to pour wine and a choice of 5 easy as hell to make beverages. The actual bartending part lasted maybe 1.5 hours. Got tipped about $1 from everyone, made $50-150 in tips usually. Equated usually to $145 for 4 hours for doing such easy work.
To do this day, I don't think I deserved any sort of tip for doing that. It's a good gig and I should be doing it with a smile on my face. On the other hand, when I worked at Longs Drugs I walked old ladies bags to their car maybe 500 times, and at most got offered something (gum, or $1) a few times. And I lived in Silicon Valley so it's not like people didn't have money.
Edit: If you work at clothing store, offer opinions etc I understand you get rewarded with sales commission sometimes. In the same respect, unless you work at a fancy restaurant and are some guru of grub offering recommendations you shouldn't be getting a tip. The chick that works at Denny's that says whatchya want? Stack of pancakes, aight. That's not tip worthy to me. Doesn't mean she works any less hard, just that she is lower on the totem pole. If she wants to stack bread, she should get a different job at a real restaurant. If she can't move up..i sympathize but i don't want to pay 50% taxes, and i don't want to have to tip to subsidize other people's lives.[/QUOTE]
All valid points. People who've worked in retail know the hell it can be to work in retail, yet no one complaining about those people not getting tips. And please no one bring in the under minimum wage excuse, not for places like California.
I'm confident the time will come when tipping is less frequent. The white population is on the decline, and with their decline also goes their customs. This place is about to become the United Asians of Mexico:lol
[QUOTE=ALBballer]Thats horshit. [B]Many of these waiters[/B] get paid under the table and at any decent place they are making over triple the minimum wage. I made more as a waiter then i do in my current job at an hourly rate.[/QUOTE]
This is a logical fallacy. Many waiters? So not all. I'd say most don't get paid triple minimum wage. So your point is completely invalid.
I love when the jealous bitter angle is used.
"This job doesn't get tips, so why should this one?"
WHAHWHAHWHAHWHAHWHAHWHAH!!!!!!!! Lol.
You fools wouldn't want to tip those people either, so don't front like you care about them.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]It's just the way it is, waiters get tipped, retail people don't. Who cares.[/QUOTE]
Apparently you and a lot of people.
Like i said, every tipping topic leads to the pro-tipping people not having anything logical to say and resort silly statements about how waiters deserve tips above other service workers or threats of what happens if you don't tip. Its this sentiment that will ultimately hurt service workers in the long run that are used to getting tips.
If tipping was eliminated then prices will go up. FACT! The market would eventually even itself out to where you would be spending about the same amount of money as you were when tipping. Now your forced to pay regardless of the kind of service you get, with no option to not tip. It's pretty freaking simple.
Retailers do get screwed. At least at some of those places they make up for it in bonuses, but at the end of the day they are just another group who corporate America screws over daily. I feel for them, but that doesn't mean we should strip servers of what little cushiness they have with their job.
[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]If tipping was eliminated then prices will go up. FACT! The market would eventually even itself out to where you would be spending about the same amount of money as you were when tipping. Now your forced to pay regardless of the kind of service you get, with no option to not tip. It's pretty freaking simple.[/QUOTE]
Explain your "Fact" with the bartending industry where they are already having 1000% markup on a drink.
[QUOTE=ALBballer]Thats horshit. Many of these waiters get paid under the table and at any decent place they are making over triple the minimum wage. I made more as a waiter then i do in my current job at an hourly rate.[/QUOTE]
Same here, I made pretty good money delivering pizzas and serving. I was paid over minimum wage doing both and was able to get by on all tip money and put all my checks into savings. The jobs are not that bad, shifts are short and you can easily clear two to three times your wage. I could average $25-30 an hour on a typical night when I worked for pizza joints. That's a lot to drive around in your car and listen to music for 90% of your shift.
I have no problem tipping, and ever since I've started working full-time after college I've tried to tip 20% unless the service was bad. I like the idea of tipping for service, but I've never worked as a waiter so I'm not sure how tips are usually split between the chefs / waiters / person at the front. But I do know that I take into consideration all of these things when I think about how much to tip.
The 20% tip thing does get a little skewed when you start going to higher end restaurants and an entree comes out to be $50 compared to like $12 or something at applebees. I'm sure it's harder to be a waiter or cook at a steak house, but is it 3 times as hard?
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]Explain your "Fact" with the bartending industry where they are already having 1000% markup on a drink.[/QUOTE]
They would mark it up even more to pay the person serving it a livable wage.