His image takes a slight hit in the short-run. Irrelevant in the long run. Kobe has nothing to prove.
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His image takes a slight hit in the short-run. Irrelevant in the long run. Kobe has nothing to prove.
[QUOTE=Indian guy]His image takes a slight hit in the short-run. Irrelevant in the long run. Kobe has nothing to prove.[/QUOTE]
In long run, He is guaranteeing himself a spot behind LBJ in all-time GOATs list.
LBJ took bottom feeders to back-2-back 60+ wins seasons as CAV.
Kobe is just looking like one trick pony. take 24 FGA & get to 30 PPG ave.
Any decent scorer can do that. incl. Melo.
A historically stacked Lakers team don't make the playoffs while Kobe averages 30-5-5 in his 17th season?. It would be mind-blowing.
He should retire (just kidding).I mean, I could not think of a better way to finish off a illustrious yet controversial career.
-50% of people would say 30-5-5
-50% of people would say Kobe is a bad leader and a horrible team player who is useless unless his frontcourt demolishes the opposition.
:lol
However,I think they will make the playoffs :(
Not really.
Kobe is playing well and the problems in the team go beyond just Kobe problems. From coaching, to injuries, to players other than Kobe not playing good enough defense, to the front office of the Lakers itself.
However, it doesn't stop it from being a disappointment season so far. It almost reminds me of how the forums and everybody else were saying you need to stop with the comparison of MJ to Kobe after the 2011 swept.
If they do miss the playoffs, you may see little halt possibly for comparisons to other great players, even though it could be a little unfair to do so because he already proven his style could win and he did with less talent than this team. But this season will be one of the most disappointing seasons in sports history if that happens.
Is Kobe supposed to heal his teammates injuries and use the force to make their shots go in the basket? Is he supposed to rotate over and guard a center when Dwight leaves his man to contest a shot. Is he supposed to coach the team after the front office hired two coaches that were a bad fit for their aging roster. Nash is almost 40, Dwight is coming off a MAJOR back surgery and they have Pau shooting 3's.
If there is a gripe about Kobe this year it's that his help defense isn't great. Other than that he's playing some of the best basketball of his career. Basketball is a team sport. Superstars get too much credit and too much blame from fans. What exactly is Kobe supposed to do about this?
It will take a hit, but sadly the guy is outrageously overrated.
I thought Kobe was 4th best on this team after leader Dwight, offensive general Nash and best offensive big man in the game Pau?
At least that's what hater said in October.
Based on their logic, Kobe doesn't take a hit here as they just described him as a mere role player.
[QUOTE=gengiskhan]In long run, He is guaranteeing himself a spot behind LBJ in all-time GOATs list.
LBJ took bottom feeders to back-2-back 60+ wins seasons as CAV.
Kobe is just looking like one trick pony. take 24 FGA & get to 30 PPG ave.
Any decent scorer can do that. incl. Melo.[/QUOTE]
Lebron also had to join a super team just to win his championship when he did say he would stay with the CAVS to help them win a championship....what happened to that? He will never be ranked higher than KOBE because he had to join a super team just to win a ****ing championship....stupid asses
[QUOTE=secund2nun]It will take a hit, but sadly the guy is [B]outrageously overrated[/B][/QUOTE]
:biggums:
I love how it's all about Kobe, all the time.
I will bump him up to number 6 all-time if he doesnt make the playoffs this year.
Why should he get a legacy hit if he's playing better than expected? The "legacy hit" is based on the Lakers failing to meet their expectations, so why doesn't that standard apply to the individual's level of play?
[QUOTE=chazzy]Why should he get a legacy hit if he's playing better than expected?[/QUOTE]
Because OP's a retard, that's why.
[QUOTE=Nash]With him, Howard, Nash and Gasol in same team? Man, not making the playoffs with those 4 stars in the same team is probably a bigger accomplishment than winning the championship with Shaq.[/QUOTE]
wouldn't be the first time. summon your mind back around 5+ years and i'm sure you'll make the kobe connection. =)
hint hint: karl and gary!
if this were to happen to mj, magic, and other all time greats im sure it wouldn't look good for their legacy.
Won't look good at all....but it won't take away from the two rings he won as the leader of the lakers...still one of the best to do it....
But still this is kinda special - lotterysuperteam or big4lotteryteam....either way it is unprecedented....
i think he will be the most one given the benefit of the doubt.him and gasol.
both will probably be excused due to aging etc etc.
But the ones with no ring will get more of the press stick ..that is howard, d'antoni and nash
Kind of. He's still a top 10 player to me, and before this season I had him at #10 but thinking that maybe he should be ranked ahead of Hakeem and Duncan due to his longevity, and I thought eventually he would be ranked ahead of Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, and/or Wilt withat least his longevity, but I don't know anymore. Its always been a little questionable about how much credit he deserves for his titles, especially his first 3, and how much should be attributed to his coach and the talent around him. He obviously hasn't played bad, but his leadership has definitely been questionable this year with the way things are so the credit he deserves for his titles is probably more questionable now to me.
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Kobe's legacy
[QUOTE=guy]Its always been a little questionable about how much credit he deserves for his titles, especially his first 3[/QUOTE]
He deserves as much credit as anyone for his '01, '02, '09 and '10 titles. I don't value his first title in '00 title as much as the others, but he was still a top 10 player in the league that year and the best shooting guard in the league. Shaq was easily the MVP for each series but Kobe stepped up in huge moments which is part of the reason I think he isn't as replaceable as people think, even though statistically he wasn't truly elite yet. Also not to mention 2000 was one of Kobe's prime defensive years. He was an AWESOME team defender at that point. He was always flying around for steals and his rotations were excellent and also was great at providing weak-side help and playing the passing lanes/angles. He had the game-saving block against the Blazers in Game 3 of the '00 WCF. His help defense was phenomenal back then, as was his man defense. His only weakness was inability to prevent bigger guards/forwards from posting him up which is why he bulked up in 2001. Guys like Bonzi Wells were the only ones who gave him problems. He was basically like the Lakers free safety.
kobe Lakers studded roster = MJ 2nd stringer Wizards
Kobe legacy 1a