wade with a revealing quote about the changing mentality of NBA players

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]81 points. ni99a developed PTSD[/QUOTE]
here is the same genius who tries to knock someone for being efficient :oldlol:

to be fair kobe takes a lot of shots at the end of shot clocks and broken plays in addition to his questionable shot selection it's easy to see why he shoots at around 45%

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]I don't know Kareem personally, so I can't speak for him. Just curious- who do you rank higher on the all time list, Kobe Bryant or John Havlicek?[/QUOTE]
Kobe

I can confidently say that the kobe fanboys are the most delusional on this site

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Kobe[/QUOTE]

But Hondo has 8 rings :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=red1]here is the same genius who tries to knock someone for being efficient :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

why did you post 20+ times in this thread when the topic went right over your head?

[QUOTE=red1]I can confidently say that the kobe fanboys are the most delusional on this site[/QUOTE]
Ok, give me a list of what Kobe fanboys have said and I'll give you the list of what Kobe haters have said.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]But Hondo has 8 rings :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Hondo's not in Kobe's league.

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]why did you post 20+ times in this thread when the topic went right over your head?[/QUOTE]
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Kobe is a shot jacker that could not even shoot 47% ever in his career, even when he was young with prime Shaq taking up double teams. He is just inefficient, which is why in his prime he failed for all 3 seasons after Shaq left and before Gasol arrived to even win a playoff series

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]did you taken into consideration. No Defensive era. zone defense which is all a joke compared to physical D MJ played against in the '90s.
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Kobe wont cross 42%FG shooting had he played in late '80s early to mid '90s.[/B][/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :roll: Right, an era where every team had a perimeter players shooting 50% is an era where Kobe Bryant won't shoot 42% FG.

Guys like Chris Mullin were dropping 25+ on 53%+. Kobe would probably shoot 60% in this awful era.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Hondo's not in Kobe's league.[/QUOTE]

Dude had 26,395 points in his career. Averages of 21/6/5 (peak of 29/9/8). Was perennial all NBA team member (5 first team defense, 3 first team, bunch of 2nd team). 13 time all star. And 8 championships.

And like Kobe, he wasn't a Lebron/Wade-esque shooting stats whore :lol

You think maybe you're showing your bias here? You see the double standard?

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]But Hondo has 8 rings :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Yeah and more than half of them came when there were 8 teams in the league. :roll:

[QUOTE=secund2nun]Kobe is a shot jacker that could not even shoot 47% ever in his career, even when he was young with prime Shaq taking up double teams. He is just inefficient, which is why in his prime he failed for 3 seasons in a row to even with a playoff series after Shaq left and before Gasol arrived.[/QUOTE]
Difference between MJ & Kobe
TS%: MJ +1.2
eFG%: MJ +2.2
PPS: MJ + 0.015

Kareem missed the Playoffs twice in his prime and lost in the first round multiple times. Guess he's a failure.

[QUOTE=secund2nun]Kobe is a shot jacker that could not even shoot 47% ever in his career, even when he was young with prime Shaq taking up double teams. He is just inefficient, which is why in his prime he failed for all 3 seasons after Shaq left and before Gasol arrived to even win a playoff series[/QUOTE]

How many playoff series did Jordan win before Pippen came along?

[QUOTE=Doranku]Yeah and more than half of them came when there were 8 teams in the league. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Making it even more impressive. Think about how competitive the NBA would be if you got rid of the Bobcats and Hornets of the world and the league was only made up of the top 8 teams right now.

[QUOTE=red1]So you are complaining that they hold the ball for full-court heaves, is that really the entire point of your thread? So instead of focusing on the million other things you could have noticed you decide to make a thread complaining about this?[/QUOTE]

no the thread is about how players internalize what the public emphasize as important about the game and tailor their play to fit those expectations and criterias. It accounts for why the "volume shooter" has fallen to the wayside as NBA viewers and analysts have become more efficiency focused. Kobe is really the last remaining star of that era and his mindset is now almost anachronistic.

[QUOTE=red1]Very insightful post, a picture is worth a thousand words. If one looks closely he will notice that shaq is carrying kobe the same way he carried him to three rings during the three-peat[/QUOTE]
The slaves always carry the royalty

Not a big deal but it's just funny to me when players purposefully refrain from taking long shots at the end of quarters. Low percentage shot but it doesn't hurt to attempt

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Dude had 26,395 points in his career. Averages of 21/6/5 (peak of 29/9/8). Was perennial all NBA team member (5 first team defense, 3 first team, bunch of 2nd team). 13 time all star. And 8 championships.

And like Kobe, he wasn't a Lebron/Wade-esque shooting stats whore :lol

You think maybe you're showing your bias here? You see the double standard?[/QUOTE]
Was he ever considered the best player in the world? Even for one season?
How many times was he top 5 in MVP voting?
Did he ever lead the league in scoring in the regular season or playoffs?

Kobe was either the best player or arguably the best player in 2006-2010 and Top 5 in MVP voting 10 times. Hondo on Kobe's level? Is that what you're saying? Just another horrible opinion by a Kobe hater.

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]The slaves always carry the royalty[/QUOTE]
:biggums: shaq is a slave and kobe is royalty? the fcuk is wrong with your f*gg*t ass

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]The slaves always carry the royalty[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :applause:

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kazaam ni99a

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Dude had 26,395 points in his career. Averages of 21/6/5 (peak of 29/9/8). Was perennial all NBA team member (5 first team defense, 3 first team, bunch of 2nd team). 13 time all star. And 8 championships.

And like Kobe, he wasn't a Lebron/Wade-esque shooting stats whore :lol

You think maybe you're showing your bias here? You see the double standard?[/QUOTE]
So if Hondo did this in the same era bill Russell won 11 rings in, then Russell >>>>> Jordan, right?

None of Hondo's rings came when the league had 8 teams.

In order of how many teams in the following years:

63-66 - 9 (4 rings)
68 - 12
69 - 14
74 - 17
76 -18

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Making it even more impressive. Think about how competitive the NBA would be if you got rid of the Bobcats and Hornets of the world and the league was only made up of the top 8 teams right now.[/QUOTE]
How about you go watch a video of 60's basketball. You should be ashamed if yourself.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Making it even more impressive. Think about how competitive the NBA would be if you got rid of the Bobcats and Hornets of the world and the league was only made up of the top 8 teams right now.[/QUOTE]

I understand that reasoning but what if the players back then just weren't as athletic and good as the players today? Like yeah you'd have all the best players but maybe those best players aren't as good as the best players from say 2003 or 1993?

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]no the thread is about how players internalize what the public emphasize as important about the game and tailor their play to fit those expectations and criterias. It accounts for why the "volume shooter" has fallen to the wayside as NBA viewers and analysts have become more efficiency focused. Kobe is really the last remaining star of that era and his mindset is now almost anachronistic.[/QUOTE]
Ok when I take this thread in context with your other posts it looks like you are saying that kobe is better than lbj and wade because he would shoot a full-court heave and they wouldnt, am I correct?

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]:roll: :roll: :applause:

[IMG]http://media.weirdworm.com/img/people/5-horrendous-movie-performances-by-non-actors/kazaam.jpg[/IMG]

kazaam ni99a[/QUOTE]
A genie is just a royals toy.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Dude had 26,395 points in his career. Averages of 21/6/5 (peak of 29/9/8). Was perennial all NBA team member (5 first team defense, 3 first team, bunch of 2nd team). 13 time all star. And 8 championships.

And like Kobe, he wasn't a Lebron/Wade-esque shooting stats whore :lol

You think maybe you're showing your bias here? You see the double standard?[/QUOTE]


hmmm might have something to do with Kobe's 12 all defensive selections, 14 all NBA selections, 10x first team.

and many other numerous things which Kobe was better at, not to mention Kobe is a consencus top 10 player of all time...

[url]http://www.basesandbaskets.com/2012/12/greatest-nba-players-of-all-time.html[/url]


[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-players-in-NBA-history#tab=photo-title=Oscar+Robertson+%25281960-74%2529&photo=30219328[/url]


[url]http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/top-10-nba-players-of-all-time.html[/url]


[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/358840-top-ten-nba-players-of-all-time[/url]


how many of those have Hondo listed? How many have Kobe listed?


Keep showing your ignorance

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]How about you go watch a video of 60's basketball. You should be ashamed if yourself.[/QUOTE]
He was talking about level of competition being high because of contraction, not how clumsy some players looked back then. Please keep up deuce jigahoe

[QUOTE=red1]:biggums: shaq is a slave and kobe is royalty? the fcuk is wrong with your f*gg*t ass[/QUOTE]
Kobe 5
Shaq 4


Kobe without Shaq 2
Shaq without Kobe 1


2000-2002, the best series was the wcf. The finals was just a formality. Shaq can have his mvps against Ric Skits and Todd Mac.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Making it even more impressive. Think about how competitive the NBA would be if you got rid of the Bobcats and Hornets of the world and the league was only made up of the top 8 teams right now.[/QUOTE]

Having to win 11 playoff games opposed to 16 to win a championship is more impressive? Not to mention those Celtics were head and shoulders above the rest of the league for most of those years. I'd love to see a HoF player count comparison between the teams they played in the playoffs when they won their championships.

[QUOTE=Mr. I'm So Rad]I understand that reasoning but what if the players back then just weren't as athletic and good as the players today? Like yeah you'd have all the best players but maybe those best players aren't as good as the best players from say 2003 or 1993?[/QUOTE]

Read my post from above:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8170843&postcount=144[/url]

And no, during the 70's (which was Hondo's best years until he dropped off) the league started to gain much more parity.

I get what your saying about athletic ability, but for the case, Hondo would probably be as athletically comparable to any player in any era (got drafted by the NFL too).

[QUOTE=red1]Ok when I take this thread in context with your other posts it looks like you are saying that kobe is better than lbj and wade because he would shoot a full-court heave and they wouldnt, am I correct?[/QUOTE]
no and I don't really care about that. I just thought it was interesting that the way media and fans analyze the game can have impact on how players approach the game.

not shooting the full court heave is an instance of this new mentality I suppose but that's really minor and second order importance.

Got all these Kobe stans mad, using their own 'logic' against them. :oldlol:

I was just pointing out the fallacy in the '5 rangz' bullshit. Kobe was the best player on his team for 40% of his championships, he has 2 finals MVPs (and 2010 was questionable IMO). But fans of Bean never take into account that rings are weighted, they're not all worth the same when it comes to player rankings. If Lebron leads his team to another championship, he'd match Kobe in that department.

I brought up Hondo because he has top 10-20 credentials and 8 championships, 3 more than Kobe. But that's not considering Bill Russell's role. It's the same fallacious arguments you dunces use.

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]None of Hondo's rings came when the league had 8 teams.

In order of how many teams in the following years:

63-66 - 9 (4 rings)
68 - 12
69 - 14
74 - 17
76 -18[/QUOTE]

F*** you and yo factz.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]F*** you and yo factz.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, man.

:(

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]no and I don't really care about that. I just thought it was interesting that the way media and fans analyze the game can have impact on how players approach the game.

not shooting the full court heave is an instance of this new mentality I suppose but that's really minor and second order importance.[/QUOTE]
Name shaqs rings before Kobe since Kobe was basically insignificant in your eyes. Better yet, post all the finals wins before Kobe.

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Difference between MJ & Kobe
TS%: MJ +1.2
eFG%: MJ +2.2
PPS: MJ + 0.015

Kareem missed the Playoffs twice in his prime and lost in the first round multiple times. Guess he's a failure.[/QUOTE]
Kareem has dominated countless NBA finals unlike Kobe who is a poor performer in NBA finals. Kareem has dominated regular season, playoffs and won playoff series by himself. He is a 5 time MVP and one of the best of all time.

Kobe has never won a playoff series by himself he had 3 chances....and he was in his prime.

[QUOTE=Doranku]How many playoff series did Jordan win before Pippen came along?[/QUOTE]

MJ was before his prime before Pippen and MJ has dominated like crazy and has had amazing playoff, finals performances unlike Kobe (see post above). He has led 6 teams to a ring with no dominant front court players. Kobe is nowhere close to guys like Kareem and MJ it's a shame what the media's BS hype has done.