[QUOTE=The Macho Man]If Newton believed in god then their must be a god. Thread over.[/QUOTE]
Science is a liar, sometimes.
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[QUOTE=The Macho Man]If Newton believed in god then their must be a god. Thread over.[/QUOTE]
Science is a liar, sometimes.
[QUOTE=AboveTheRim.]I grew up a Christian, going to Presbyterian church until I was 18. In the last few years I have gotten fed up with people who call themselves Christians solely because they go to church. It doesn't matter what they do the rest of the time, but as long as they get their 60 minutes in on Sunday, they are almighty. I don't consider myself Christian anymore. I do believe in God, but don't need a label to prove that to myself.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, the Western Christian. USA has been blighted by many.
It is behavior far from the teachings of the one they claim to follow.
His teachings are quite interesting if you study them.
[QUOTE=AboveTheRim.]Science is a liar, sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Only when it is counter to religious claims though.
If they said they could identify Jesus' blood through DNA analysis and carbon dating, creationists would be running through the streets praising science.
[QUOTE=miller-time]Only when it is counter to religious claims though.
If they said they could identify Jesus' blood through DNA analysis and carbon dating, creationists would be running through the streets praising science.[/QUOTE]
Was just quoting Sunny :D
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[QUOTE=miller-time]Well I can't really prove that one way or another. But I actually thought it was a young earth creationist quote than a Newton quote.[/QUOTE]
What do you think of the 1937 lecture "Religion und Naturwissenschaft" by Max Planck?
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]I disagree. It's a personal belief. Only your own thoughts on it should matter. Plenty people smarter than me believe in god, plenty don't. It doesn't effect my beliefs.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with your disagreeing.
Your mind isn't open to the in depth study of others and their point of view?
I think it's ironic that many atheists I talk to claim to be free thinking, but simply just believe what they read in a Senior level text book and refuse to consider any other line of thinking.
[QUOTE=miller-time]Only when it is counter to religious claims though.
If they said they could identify Jesus' blood through DNA analysis and carbon dating, creationists would be running through the streets praising science.[/QUOTE]
Creationists are scientists. They praise science daily.
[QUOTE=G-train]What do you think of the 1937 lecture "Religion und Naturwissenschaft" by Max Planck?[/QUOTE]
I don't know it.
[QUOTE=miller-time]I don't know it.[/QUOTE]
I recommend reading it to get a well rounded view on a few topics.
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But for this book (Bible) we could not know right from wrong.
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I have been driven many times upon my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had no where else to go.
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"Surely God would not have created such a being as man to exist only for a day! Man was made for immortality"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=G-train]What do atheist American's think of these quotes?[/QUOTE]
I would really like to hear Yankee thoughts on these quotes by perhaps their greatest leader ever?
He lived post 1859 btw for those who are into that date.
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What text book says there is no god?[/QUOTE]
I'm referring to young people that read a Biology text book in high school or college, take it as 'gospel' then refer to themselves as free thinking former theists.
[QUOTE=G-train]I'm referring to young people that read a Biology text book in high school or college, take it as 'gospel' then refer to themselves as free thinking former theists.[/QUOTE]
But if they read the bible and took it as gospel then that is ok?
Oh this thread again. Same posters, same arguments, same bullshit. Rinse and repeat.
Classic ISH. :cheers:
[QUOTE=steve franchise]Oh this thread again. Same posters, same arguments, same bullshit. Rinse and repeat.
Classic ISH. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
And this thread wouldn't be complete without this post! Thanks for being as derivative as the rest of us. :cheers:
[QUOTE=miller-time]And this thread wouldn't be complete without this post! Thanks for being as derivative as the rest of us. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
Repped.
[QUOTE=miller-time]But if they read the bible and took it as gospel then that is ok?[/QUOTE]
If they read it and find it to be false then no, it's not ok.
If they read it and find it to be true then it's ok.
What I am referring to are people that are in their teens and early 20's that think they know the truth of the universe and aren't open to spirituality, let alone God.
[QUOTE=G-train]If they read it and find it to be false then no, it's not ok.
If they read it and find it to be true then it's ok.
What I am referring to are people that are in their teens and early 20's that think they know the truth of the universe and aren't open to spirituality, let alone God.[/QUOTE]
So if they read the bible and conclude that it is nonsense then that is unacceptable?
[QUOTE=KingBeasley08]What's the point in arguing? You aren't convincing anyone. That whole 'winner' shit is part of the problem. They take the whole argument like its a contest and come off as big losers. It is impossible to 'win' against a religious person[/QUOTE]
There are various reasons people argue even if they know they won't convince the other side. One of the reasons I do it is because I want to see various points of view and different sides to things. If we all just sit back, say "agree to disagree" at the beginning and don't really discuss anything, then what's the point?
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I do think it's interesting that most message boards will have threads of Atheists VS Theists as opposed to Islam VS Christianity VS Buddhism VS Judaism.
I suppose part of this has to do with the US demographic having access to computers, but these threads would be vastly different if you had actual other religions chiming in.
Atheism vs. Theism is actually just Atheism vs. Christianity on here. Would the Christians on this site have a problem with Atheists rejecting Judaism for the same exact reason they reject Christianity, or would they tell them that their reasoning for theism rejection is inappropriate for all religions?
[QUOTE=miller-time]All Atheists generalize the behaviour and beliefs of religious people.[/QUOTE]
Most theists obfuscate and equivocate to hide the contradictory nature of their moronic beliefs.
edit: oh yes, and why are theists counted as a united group when they spend more time reviling and killing each other than they do atheists?
[QUOTE=G-train]Regardless of when it was written, it was written by Isaac Newton.
You should read up on him. He has a Wikipedia page.[/QUOTE]
Isaac Newton was a superstitious person living in an age of superstition. He also believed in the power of alchemy, do you believe that too?
Next...
[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]I do think it's interesting that most message boards will have threads of Atheists VS Theists as opposed to Islam VS Christianity VS Buddhism VS Judaism.
I suppose part of this has to do with the US demographic having access to computers, but these threads would be vastly different if you had actual other religions chiming in.
Atheism vs. Theism is actually just Atheism vs. Christianity on here. Would the Christians on this site have a problem with Atheists rejecting Judaism for the same exact reason they reject Christianity, or would they tell them that their reasoning for theism rejection is inappropriate for all religions?[/QUOTE]
I think it's Atheism versus Theism because it's far, far easier to come up with legitimate arguments for simply "a god could exist" than it is to argue for all the inane, nonsensical, contradicting ramblings in any of the particular holy books or particular religious doctrines.
Once you get down to the nitty gritty origins of any religion, whether you take Christianity or Islam or Judaism or Buddhism of whatever, it becomes pretty hard to defend the true merit and legitimacy of it.
[QUOTE=LJJ]I think it's Atheism versus Theism because it's far, [B]far easier to come up with legitimate arguments for simply "a god could exist" than it is to argue for all the inane, nonsensical, contradicting ramblings in any of the particular holy books or particular religious doctrines. [/B]
Once you get down to the nitty gritty origins of any religion, whether you take Christianity or Islam or Judaism or Buddhism of whatever, it becomes pretty hard to defend the true merit and legitimacy of it.[/QUOTE]
But in many cases that would be deism not theism, and deists would have more cause to ally with ateists than theists. It's that many people don't even know what their own position is in regard to God - which is why they're often vague and ambiguous. Still, there's a huge jump from believing in the need for a Creator, to thinking that this Creator has you in mind/talks to you/watches you etc.
[QUOTE=Dresta]But in many cases that would be deism not theism, and deists would have more cause to ally with ateists than theists. It's that many people don't even know what their own position is in regard to God - which is why they're often vague and ambiguous. Still, there's a huge jump from believing in the need for a Creator, to thinking that this Creator has you in mind/talks to you/watches you etc.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't theists just be a broad subset of deists?
I think debates on religion between atheists and believers should be at the deistic level. That part of the picture needs to be confirmed before we can debate things at a theistic level.