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Look guys, I love more son more than life...when I am not at work I am with him,...he is my life, I live for him, I work for him, and I will do everything in my power to ensure his happiness
I KNOW I am a good father...this is an indisputable fact in my mind
I'll tell you what is immature...questioning someone as a father because you disagree with their views on drunk driving punishment (which are much more complex than "shoot him on site")
[QUOTE=OhNoTimNoSho]I think you missed the whole point of my post.
You're not married right? Your wife left you because she got tired of your bs, right?[/QUOTE]
we are happily married
what BS do you speak of?...not thinking this guy should have been shot?
do you have a wife drunk AI?
prime gets blackout drunk before he gets behind the wheel, he's obviously a fun dad.
[QUOTE=shaq2000]prime gets blackout drunk before he gets behind the wheel, he's obviously a fun dad.[/QUOTE]
I don't drink, or do any drugs...or smoke anything
my DUI took place when I was 18 years old ( like 17 years ago)...I was underage, and like all teens I was foolish and made a mistake that I learned from.
in fact I might be the most "anti-alcohol" poster on this site
check out post #18:
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289715&page=2[/url]
There is a mob mentality when it comes to this subject...once someone comes in here and tries to bring some actual logic into the conversation they become a Salem Witch.
[I]"wait, what!!!???..You don't agree that the driver should have been shot!!!???...you actually agree with the law???"
"LOOK EVERYONE, HE CELEBRATES DRUNK DRIVING AND IS OBVIOUSLY A HORRIBLE FATHER, EVERYONE KILL HIM RAAARRRR!!!!"[/I]
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You wrote the driver off and said it was just a "careless mistake". Then you find it impossible to understand how someone could commit such an act of revenge after something so traumatic.
Makes you sound like a douche.
Let's admit it, if some dude runs into your kids and kills them, not many of us would be like "oh, I'll let the cops take care of him, that'll show him!"
Imagine the utter heartbreak and anger seeing your son's lifeless mangled bodies, I can't even fathom what I would feel in that situation. Murdering the SOB that killed them, whatever the reason, is just a primal response from a human being...
Those of you who think you're above that, you just really don't know how you will respond until you're put in that situation.
P.Tiddy, STFU you pompous, pious, holier than thou POS:banghead:
[QUOTE=mrpuente]You wrote the driver off and said it was just a "careless mistake". Then[COLOR="Red"] you find it impossible to understand how someone could commit such an act of revenge after something so traumatic.[/COLOR]
Makes you sound like a douche.[/QUOTE]
how did you get that from my posts?
and it was a careless mistake, obviously
[QUOTE=TheMan]Let's admit it, if some dude runs into your kids and kills them, not many of us would be like "oh, I'll let the cops take care of him, that'll show him!"
Imagine the utter heartbreak and anger seeing your son's lifeless mangled bodies, I can't even fathom what I would feel in that situation. Murdering the SOB that killed them, whatever the reason, is just a primal response from a human being...
[COLOR="Red"]Those of you who think you're above that, you just really don't know how you will respond until you're put in that situation.[/COLOR]
P.Tiddy, STFU you pompous, pious, holier than thou POS:banghead:[/QUOTE]
yeah, I said that exact same thing when asked what I would do...it's impossible to know
I do know that the majority of those who go through this don't pull out guns after though
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]how did you get that from my posts?
and it was a careless mistake, obviously[/QUOTE]
It's not a [I]"careless mistake"[/I]; it's reckless manslaughter.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]how did you get that from my posts?
and it was a careless mistake, obviously[/QUOTE]
the part where you say "he didnt deserve to die like that" makes it pretty clear.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]yeah, I said that exact same thing when asked what I would do...it's impossible to know
[B]I do know that the majority of those who go through this don't pull out guns after though[/B][/QUOTE]
Because different situations might produce different results?
Say you were in this guy Barajas exact same situation, close to home, no cops around and time to get your vengeance. I bet a majority of fathers put lead on the asshole who just killed [B]two[/B] of your kids.
When you are a parent, the love of your child is the greatest love you can ever have, seeing your child die in front of your eyes would make a lot of people lose it, literally.
I somehow doubt Barajas was thinking the day of the accident, "gee, I'd like to blow off some muthafakkah's head today, hopefully I'll get the chance":facepalm
[QUOTE=mrpuente]the part where you say "he didnt deserve to die like that" makes it pretty clear.[/QUOTE]
no, I can understand why the father shot...and I don't think he deserved to be shot (most likely, unless somehow it was premeditated)
[QUOTE=TheMan][COLOR="Red"]Because different situations might produce different results?[/COLOR]
Say you were in this guy Barajas exact same situation, close to home, no cops around and time to get venegeance. I bet a majority of fathers put lead on the asshole who just killed [B]two[/B] of your kids.
When you are a parent, the love of your child is the greatest love you can ever have, seeing your child die in front of your eyes would make a lot of people lose it, literally.
I somehow doubt Barajas was thinking the day of the accident, "gee, I'd like to blow off some muthafakkah's head today, hopefully I'll get the chance":facepalm[/QUOTE]
right but he is one of many that go through this...of the 9,000+ that die every year from drunk drivers there are a decent chunk of those that are children (I think I remember seeing 400 something)...this is rare occasion...which is why the thread was made
I mean I think it is safe to assume most don't think like this man...I don't think I would, I think I would be to devastated to think about a revenge kill
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]right but he is one of many that go through this...of the 9,000+ that die every year from drunk drivers there are a decent chunk of those that are children (I think I remember seeing 400 something)...this is rare occasion...which is why the thread was made
I mean I think it is safe to assume most don't think like this man...I don't think I would, [B]I think I would be to devastated to think about a revenge kill[/B][/QUOTE]
You never know, dude. Unless you're in that situation, we are all talking out of our ass.
When I watch WWII movies or war movies in general and during a fierce fire fight, my wife would ask me how I think I would react, would I be the soldier out there leading his men into hostile fire or would I be the one hiding from the fight and I tell her I have no idea. I would like to think I'd be the brave dude but what if my self perserverence instinct kicks in overdrive?
I honestly have no clue and unless you've been there, you have no idea wtf you're talking about.
[QUOTE=TheMan]Because different situations might produce different results?
Say you were in this guy Barajas exact same situation, close to home, no cops around and time to get venegeance. I bet a majority of fathers put lead on the asshole who just killed [B]two[/B] of your kids.
When you are a parent, the love of your child is the greatest love you can ever have, seeing your child die in front of your eyes would make a lot of people lose it, literally.
I somehow doubt Barajas was thinking the day of the accident, "gee, I'd like to blow off some muthafakkah's head today, hopefully I'll get the chance":facepalm[/QUOTE]
Except, one of his children wasn't pronounced dead until sometime later at the hospital. Time could've been spent, you know, trying to help the victims. Instead, the guy goes back into his house retrieving a weapon, so he can put one in the head of the other driver.
Barajas is a murderer.
[QUOTE=intrinsic]Except, one of his children wasn't pronounced dead until sometime later at the hospital. Time could've been spent, you know, trying to help the victims. Instead, the guy goes back into his house retrieving a weapon, so he can put one in the head of the other driver.
Barajas is a murderer.[/QUOTE]
careful dude, logic is frowned upon in this thread
[QUOTE=TheMan]You never know, dude. Unless you're in that situation, we are all talking out of our ass.
When I watch WWII movies or war movies in general and during a fierce fire fight, my wife would ask me how I think I would react, would I be the soldier out there leading his men into hostile fire or would I be the one hiding from the fight and I tell her I have no idea. I would like to think I'd be the brave dude but what if my self perserverence instinct kicks in overdrive?
I honestly have no clue and unless you've been there, you have no idea wtf you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
I agree, and like I said, that is the same thing I said earlier in this thread when asked what I would do...I said "it is impossible to know"
but I was just pointing out that it does look as though the majority do not think like this man...it's a rare story and dd deaths, even to children, are not rare
[QUOTE=intrinsic]Except, one of his children wasn't pronounced dead until sometime later at the hospital. Time could've been spent, you know, trying to help the victims. Instead, the guy goes back into his house retrieving a weapon, so he can put one in the head of the other driver.
Barajas is a [B]murderer[/B].[/QUOTE]
If the driver is proven drunk, the jury will be sympathetic to him...manslaughter and out after a few years.
[QUOTE=TheMan]If the driver is proven drunk, the jury will be sympathetic to him...manslaughter and out after a few years.[/QUOTE]
I don't care what he ends up being convicted of.
Barajas shot someone in the head before first responders arrived on scene. I don't have to be an apologist for drunk driving to say he was wrong and murdered that man.
[QUOTE=TheMan]If the driver is proven drunk, the jury will be sympathetic to him...manslaughter and out after a few years.[/QUOTE]
assuming the other driver was at fault, I'm not sure why his sobriety matters that much
it's manslaughter by the other driver no matter what he was doing to cause the wreck...maybe he fell asleep at the wheel, maybe he was texting, maybe he ran a light, maybe he decided to commit suicide by driving into the other lane...etc etc...weather would be the best excuse but I didn't read anything about icy roads or rain.
It was a fatal mistake behind the wheel regardless of drunk or sober...and like I said earlier, I don't think the father knew or cared about his sobriety when he went for revenge...all he knew was that some asshole crashed into him and killed his kids.
[QUOTE=intrinsic]Except, one of his children wasn't pronounced dead until sometime later at the hospital. Time could've been spent, you know, trying to help the victims. Instead, the guy goes back into his house retrieving a weapon, so he can put one in the head of the other driver.
Barajas is a murderer.[/QUOTE]
We dont know what happened to his children, or exactly what he saw. One could have been cut in half by the vehicle, and the other pinned underneath in a coma state. The father most likely easily thought both his children where dead.
Lets not assume though.....
[QUOTE=DMV2]Even if the father was convicted for the shooting, they could only get him for manslaughter, right?
It would be under heat of the moment/crime of passion/not premeditated, something of that nature.[/QUOTE]
LOL, please tell me you're joking?
#thankGodUrNotALawyer
[QUOTE=mrpuente]We dont know what happened to his children, or exactly what he saw. One could have been cut in half by the vehicle, and the other pinned underneath in a coma state. The father most likely easily thought both his children where dead.
Lets not assume though.....[/QUOTE]
What are you trying to argue?
Barajas checked both his children for signs of life and investigated the crash scene under suspicion of drunk driving before executing this man?
[QUOTE=intrinsic]What are you trying to argue?
Barajas checked both his children for signs of life and investigated the crash scene under suspicion of drunk driving before executing this man?[/QUOTE]
:confusedshrug: the fact that maybe he thought they were both dead?
and yes, why are we assuming otherwise?
[QUOTE=mrpuente]:confusedshrug: the fact that maybe he thought they were both dead?
and yes, why are we assuming otherwise?[/QUOTE]
one of his sons was flown to the hospital by helicopter because he was alive
and intrinsic pointed out this:
[QUOTE]Brazoria County sheriff's investigator Dominick Sanders said Monday that witnesses told authorities they saw Barajas, right after the crash, walk to his home and then return a few minutes later and approach Banda's vehicle.[/QUOTE]
the way I pictured it is that they were in the middle of the road pushing a car in the dark because no gas...the 20 year old came up from behind them and smashed into them...one son died right away, the other still showing signs of life...911 is called by Barajas, who decided to walk to his home and get his gun while his oldest son is still alive on the street, and then shoot the 20 year old in the head.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]yeah, that is what drunk driving is...a careless mistake
just like texting while driving...which is getting death numbers on similar levels[/QUOTE]
It's beyond careless. That's completely trivializing the serious nature of drunk driving. You're putting everyone else on the road in danger when you make that decision. There is absolutely no excusing it, you can't rationalize this bullshit behavior. The guy was a piece of trash for drunk driving and it bit him in the ass.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]texting on the other hand, is inexcusable...[/QUOTE]
As is drunk driving, completely unacceptable under any circumstances.
exactly, they are both careless and should be treated in similar fashion...and both have been done at least once by many over the age of 25...just about all of them not undeserving of the death penalty for being careless
however a driver decides to text while sober, a drunk driver decides it's a good idea to drive while drunk...the same night he thought it would be a good idea dance shirtless at the club and then fist fight his best friend...yes measures can be taken to prevent drunk driving, but at the age of 20 (the age of the driver here) most don't think that far ahead, or care...all they care about is the party.
I'm not trying to belittle the seriousness of it...it's as serious as a heart attack, multiple heart attacks...I am just being real about it...this was some kid that just got done drinking with his buddies and made a stupid mistake that cost 2 kids their lives, he is one of many and none of these kids deserve to be shot in the head.
let me say his last thing before hitting the sack...as someone who has been heavily affected by alcohol in a wrong way and knows a great deal about events like this...(although this one in particular is rare)
just about everyone who has killed someone being the drunk driver has their life ruined over it...even if they are 17, it was their first offense, whatever...it ruins their life...they still have to spend years in prison, have a federal offense on their record that keeps them from having a decent job when they get out, and the extreme guilt of death on thier hands to live with which causes deep depression for most. Had this 20 year old not been shot in the head, his life would have still been a mess over this with likely no happy ending...it would have dominated his life's story.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]one of his sons was flown to the hospital by helicopter because he was alive
and intrinsic pointed out this:
the way I pictured it is that they were in the middle of the road pushing a car in the dark because no gas...the 20 year old came up from behind them and smashed into them...one son died right away, the other still showing signs of life...911 is called by Barajas, who decided to walk to his home and get his gun while his oldest son is still alive on the street, and then shoot the 20 year old in the head.[/QUOTE]
911 would have been called either way.
Anyways 1 dying would have been enough to kill either way.
I cant believe we are still arguing this.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]:cletus: [/QUOTE]
fukkkk u
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]
[B]just about everyone who has killed someone being the drunk driver has their life ruined over it...[/B][B]even if they are 17, it was their first offense, whatever...it ruins their life...they still have to spend years in prison, have a federal offense on their record that keeps them from having a decent job when they get out, and the extreme guilt of death on thier hands to live with which causes deep depression for most. Had this 20 year old not been shot in the head, his life would have still been a mess over this with likely no happy ending...it would have dominated his life's story[/B].[/QUOTE]
If someone is a complete moron and puts themselves in a dangerous situation where they are more than likely to fail they deserve the worst possible outcome. In an ideal world only the idiot drunk driver would die from any accident and the innocent party survives. Think of all the lifes the drunk idiot ruins yet after prison can get out and life a fairly normal life (im pretty sure in Australia they can get social security) with some guilt. Big deal I rather be that than the guy who dies. The problem is there is a surplus of complete idiots and wankers that do these things because most are cowards with low self esteem who have to go out get drugged up /drunk to feel good about themselves than get into a car where in most cases in a crash the innocent person dies and they somehow live.
Good job by that dad for what he did, its as close to justice as hes going to get, there is seriously to much cowardly crap that goes on in this world and a lot of it is done by drunken/drugged up losers who have nothing better to do than destory themselves and others rather than trying to build something decent.
It's amazing the passion that some people defend a drunk driver killing two kids. It was a "careless" mistake.
Now apparently the fact that one kid was on his way to the hospital it's incredibly relevant and important, the other one laying dead it's of no importance and it's irrelevant. And apparently these "people" are not only a fathers but a "good" fathers! lol
"Hey look you killed my son while driving drunk, but that's ok, the other one is going to the hospital, wanna go for drink? Now if you killed them both, man you would be in trouble!"
Seriously how retarded can you be?
I wonder if the biggest retard on this thread, when he is pulled over, he shows a powerpoint presentation to the cops, about how texting kills more, and how that makes it ok to drive drunk and kill people.
Know what, there was two careless mistakes, not just one, the guy saw a rabbit on the side of the road, that was attracted by the noise and he went grab a gun to kill him so that he could present it to his grieving wife as a gift, but he shot the driver instead, it was dark and shit... what a "careless mistake"
I love how this ******* have all figure it out since the first minute, amazes me how he didn't even said that somewhow he was forced to drink and forced to drive!
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]just about everyone who has killed someone being the drunk driver has their life ruined over it...even if they are 17, it was their first offense, whatever...it ruins their life...they still have to spend years in prison, have a federal offense on their record that keeps them from having a decent job when they get out, and the extreme guilt of death on thier hands to live with which causes deep depression for most. Had this 20 year old not been shot in the head, his life would have still been a mess over this with likely no happy ending...it would have dominated his life's story.[/QUOTE]
Ohhh... poor fellow!! You know what, thank god he is dead, imagine what he would have gone through if he was still alive!
I'm speechless, it was not enough to try to pass this driver as a saint, you had to try pass all drunk drivers as victims, how big of a douchebag someone has to be? Seriously?
I'm still confused as to how anyone sees me as actually defending drunk driving...wtf
It's as serious as a heart attack...read past posts
Texting was brought up in comparison because for some reason most wouldn't murder a texter but they are the same
/Broken record...drunk driving is bad...broken record...drunk driving is bad
Next thread, the importance of reading comprehension
I guess to some of you one saying "he didn't deserve to be shot" equates to me saying drunk drivers shouldn't be punished
I agree with what the law is RIGHT NOW...like I said earlier...I am a fan of the 3 strike method
My views on this are the same as the judges...some of your views are that drunks should be shot, which is ridiculous
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]I guess to some of you one saying "he didn't deserve to be shot" equates to me saying drunk drivers shouldn't be punished
I agree with what the law is RIGHT NOW...like I said earlier...I am a fan of the 3 strike method
My views on this are the same as the judges...some of your views are that drunks should be shot, which is ridiculous[/QUOTE]
Drunks that kill innocent people should be shot, normal drunks who cause problems should be badly punished/beaten so they don't do it again. Drunks who don't cause problems and don't drive cars are fine since they are only hurting there own health.
Drunk driving and even texting while driving are not careless mistakes. A careless mistake is locking your keys in the car or forgetting to turn of the water. The difference?
It is a CHOICE TO DRIVE DRUNK, it is not a careless mistake it is an EGREGIOUS ERROR in judgement. And you sure as hell deserve to be shot in the face if you drive drunk and kill someone.
p.tiddy you are the one who needs to learn reading comprehension as well as the english language. Casually talking about drunk driving in passing like you are is whats causing everyones reaction to you. Stop acting like a jackass attention troll and pretending you are not.
okay andre, I strongly disagree that drunks who kill people should be shot