Jordan Says Only 4 Current Player Could Play in His Era

[QUOTE=tontoz]That is because it is a horrible list. Did you really compare Mullin to Mike Miller? Rice to Webster?

:facepalm

Ever hear of a guy named Mashburn? Gill?

No mention of Drexler and Mitch Richmond among the SGs?

Wow[/QUOTE]
I had Richmond on my other list in my post I cut this from (Lebron in the 1990's). Cut and paste missed him. Jordan often said he was the best wing player of that generation.

Monster Mash I just totally missed - he did make the top ten list once in the 90's, got hurt early in his career. Over the decade he scored over 20ppg only three times when he played full time. Averaged 47 games played per season over his 13 years. A slight overlook... Don't try to pretend he was some huge miss.

A healthy Miller wasn't bad, he shot the three ball better than Mullin in general and could have the ocassional explosive game like Mullin. Mullin was really prolific for three years in the 90's in that run TMC format where he took a lot of shots. When they were taking the same amount of shots they were very similar - maybe you can tell me the difference?

But please discuss content. Those guys would get totally demolished by Durant on both sides of the ball. Lebron would have a much easier time back then. Mello would be much better on these guys. Wade would be dunking a heck of a lot more. KG would be one of the quicker SF's. Derrick Rose and Chris Paul. You believe in that nonsense MJ said? Really - I grew up 80's and 90's. He's lost his mind.

The top 30 players today could play in the 1980's-1990's.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]LeBron = greatest defender of all time in the 90's.[/QUOTE]


Jason Terry laughs at you

[QUOTE=GOBB_Junior]The top 30 players today could play in the 1980's-1990's.[/QUOTE]

Just post on your Lebron23 account retard.

...yet he says Durant is coming up right behind Kobe and LeBron:oldlol:

[QUOTE=kenny817]Jason Terry laughs at you[/QUOTE]
Because LeBron fails while defending Jason Terry in the 90's, right?

[QUOTE=Heavincent]Just post on your Lebron23 account retard.[/QUOTE]

Just Shut the F*ck up!!. You are a terrible poster. You have Kobe's nuts inside your mouth.

[QUOTE=GOBB_Junior]Thank God David Stern named the Finals MVP Award after Bill " I have 5 more rings than Jordan" Russell.

[img]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/steve_aschburner/02/26/nba.mortality/bill-russell.p1.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Yes, If he's doing a ring count then he's given up on being number one. Russell would have to be almost twice as good as himself.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Because LeBron fails while defending Jason Terry in the 90's, right?[/QUOTE]

Lol he couldn't guard him in any era. Scrub now without Dirk tho

[QUOTE=GOBB_Junior]Just Shut the F*ck up!!. You are a terrible poster. You have Kobe's nuts inside your mouth.[/QUOTE]
No, but you don't understand. He a Nets fan. He barely ever talks about Kobe. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Yes, If he's doing a ring count then he's given up on being number one. Russell would have to be almost twice as good as himself.[/QUOTE]


I like Michael Jordan, But I don't see him sincerely congratulating the NBA Finals MVP Recipients.

David Stern picked Russell because he's the ultimate team player, and his ego is not as big as MJ.

11 championships in 13 years. Someone already posted his Finals stats. Russell was a great Finals performer.

[QUOTE=GOBB_Junior]I like Michael Jordan, But I don't see him sincerely congratulating the NBA Finals MVP Recipients.

David Stern picked Russell because he's the ultimate team player, and his ego is not as big as MJ.

11 championships in 13 years. Someone already posted his Finals stats. Russell was a great Finals performer.[/QUOTE]

Bill Russell's ego is thousands of miles beyond the stratosphere.

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker][URL="http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page/Michael-Jordan/michael-jordan-not-left-building"]http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page/Michael-Jordan/michael-jordan-not-left-building[/URL]

No KG, Wade, Durant, etc?[/QUOTE]


:applause: renowned talent judge Michael Jordan

[QUOTE=Pointguard]I had Richmond on my other list in my post I cut this from (Lebron in the 1990's). Cut and paste missed him. Jordan often said he was the best wing player of that generation.

Monster Mash I just totally missed - he did make the top ten list once in the 90's, got hurt early in his career. Over the decade he scored over 20ppg only three times when he played full time. Averaged 47 games played per season over his 13 years. A slight overlook... Don't try to pretend he was some huge miss.

A healthy Miller wasn't bad, he shot the three ball better than Mullin in general and could have the ocassional explosive game like Mullin. Mullin was really prolific for three years in the 90's in that run TMC format where he took a lot of shots. When they were taking the same amount of shots they were very similar - maybe you can tell me the difference?

But please discuss content. Those guys would get totally demolished by Durant on both sides of the ball. Lebron would have a much easier time back then. Mello would be much better on these guys. Wade would be dunking a heck of a lot more. KG would be one of the quicker SF's. Derrick Rose and Chris Paul. You believe in that nonsense MJ said? Really - I grew up 80's and 90's. He's lost his mind.[/QUOTE]


Demolished by Durant, so weak he probably couldnt do 10 pushups? Put the hand check back in play and Durant would be even more turnover prone and wouldn't be getting free passes to the line all game. It would be much tougher for him to get clean looks. I think he would be the guy most aversely affected by the old rules.

Jordan used to get hammered routinely because nobody could stop him which is why he got into weightlifting. No way could Durant take that pounding and maintain his current production.

Lebron would be Lebron in any era, but he would have a tougher time against Pippen/Rodman than he has against anyone he faces now. And don't forget Xman who could also probably defend him better than anyone today.

Wade would be ready to retire by now if he played back then. He has already had a bunch of injury problems from all the times he has hit the floor, which would happen alot more back then. A flagrant 2 now was just a hard foul back then.

I am not talking about what MJ said. He is clearly bitter that Lebron is challenging his legacy. I am talking about the nonsensical posts i am seeing. there are a bunch of undersized 2s starting now that would have no chance against MJ. MJ would win the scoring title every year playing now without the hand check.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]No, but you don't understand. He a Nets fan. He barely ever talks about Kobe. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Says the Heat/Lakers fan :roll:

Kobe, Timmy, Dirk, Lebron

Sounds about right. The master has spoken. :pimp:

And comparing Miller to Mullin is flat out nuts. Mullin wasn't fast running the floor but his release on his shot was much faster than Miller. Miller had to be open with his feet set to make a j. Mullin could get his shot off even when someone was on him because he had a quick release and didn't need to be squared up.

I seriously doubt Mike Miller could drop 38 on the '91 Bulls.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHg736-JiWQ[/url]


Miller has never even averaged 19 for a season. Mullin had 5 straight seasons averaging 25+.

Guys like James Harden would be putting up 30+ if they played in the 90's. :oldlol:

MJ is one of the few that have played in the 80s, 90s, and 00k era. He's also intimately involved in today's era, and has played vs some of the best every era has to offer.

I think it was a throwaway comment and not something he gave much thought. Either way, im sure he has some insight that very few do.

Didn't Jordan say something about Durant "is coming" when Ahmad asked him about KD? I don't know, that makes it sound like Durant would be good enough to play in his era. Granted, there's obviously more than those 4 from this era that could've played and been very good players in the 80's and 90's.

But I don't think he meant for it to be taken that way anyway.

[QUOTE=andgar923]MJ is one of the few that have played in the 80s, 90s, and 00k era.[/QUOTE]
Interesting trivia question...sorta. Just because this made me start trying to remember players that were around during Magic and Bird's prime, the prime of Jordan and other greats in the 90's, and the earl to mid 00's when Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and Garnett were in their prime. The first three that came to mind were Jordan, Malone, and Stockton. And A.C. Green, too, just because I knew he was on the Showtime Lakers and on the first Shaq/Kobe Laker championship team.

[QUOTE=The-Legend-24]Guys like James Harden would be putting up 30+ if they played in the 90's. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


Right, because todays defenders at the 2 are so tough.

Curry
Monta
Beal
Waiters
Gordon (Eric and Ben)
Harden
Redick
Terry
Crawford

They didn't have shutdown defenders like that in the 90s.

[QUOTE=tontoz]Right, because todays defenders at the 2 are so tough.

Curry
Monta
Beal
Waiters
Gordon (Eric and Ben)
Harden
Redick
Terry
Crawford

They didn't have shutdown defenders like that in the 90s.[/QUOTE]
Yes, because as EVERYBODY knows, we're now living in the era of man-to-man defense.

[QUOTE=NumberSix]Yes, because as EVERYBODY knows, we're now living in the era of man-to-man defense.[/QUOTE]


Man to man has been the dominant defense in every era, including this one. Very few teams play much zone. I think Dallas was the only team i saw using it with any regularity.

Guard scoring went up as soon as the new rules went into effect.

[QUOTE=jlip]:applause: @ bolded

This is the point that so many people miss when addressing how people would perform in different eras. A person (especially great players) plays the way the game is played during their time. If rules, styles, etc. change the players have the ability to adjust. We see it all the time. Great players often adapt to the different defenses of the opponents they face during the course of a season.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I saw how the players adapted to "tough" defenses in this era. They flopped their asses off :oldlol: It wasn't enough for offensive players that Stern handcuffed defenders in 2005 to inflate their scoring numbers. They started flailing and screaming like bitches to get even more cheap whistles. I'm not surprised Jordan is trolling the league after having to witness the kind of bullshit players have pulled.

[QUOTE=KyrieTheFuture]I absolutely agree actually. Wade *****s way way too much to make it in that era, Durant is too weak, KG...idk he could probably do it but who knows how he'd deal with real tough guys.[/QUOTE]

Against the so called physical defenses of todays basketball, Wade has performed better than Kobe or Lebron in that regard. Jordan is an idiot.

[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]Yeah, I saw how the players adapted to "tough" defenses in this era. They flopped their asses off :oldlol: It wasn't enough for offensive players that Stern handcuffed defenders in 2005 to inflate their scoring numbers. They started flailing and screaming like bitches to get even more cheap whistles. I'm not surprised Jordan is trolling the league after having to witness the kind of bullshit players have pulled.[/QUOTE]

Evidently you confuse me with one of these young fans who just started watching in the Kobe era. I'm actually older than Kobe himself and started watching the game right before MJ entered his prime. I never once made made any declarations about either era being "tough." I spoke of the ability of players (great players especially) to transcend eras by adapting to the rules and styles of whatever era they are in. If flopping is what is "en vogue" during an era, guess what, the players will do that. If it is restricted via rule and referee enforcement then players will limit it just as they are doing this season. In addition to that, flopping became popular during MJ's era. Did you ever see Rodman and Reggie Miller play?

Also, I love how history is being rewritten. I remember the Bad Boy Pistons complaining about MJ crying to the refs. I remember during their championship runs opposing teams and players speaking of how the Bulls were the recipients of favorable treatment from refs benefiting from ticky tack, touch fouls. I remember [URL="http://www.interbasket.net/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/dream-team-newsweek-bird-jordan-magic.jpg"]this Dream Team photo with Magic, Bird, and MJ [/URL], with Magic jokingly saying to Bird like, "Don't get too close to Michael, you might get called for a foul."

I'm not here to determine which era was tougher. I really don't care, but as I said in another post I'm a little tired of my generation turning into our parents embracing this "Back in the day, everything was so tough we had to walk 10 miles up a hill, barefoot, in the snow just to go to the bathroom" mentality. The Wilt generation said the same thing about the Magic, Bird, and MJ era, claiming that Wilt would average 70 points in the 80's and 90's. The truth is ultimately we can't definitively conclude which era was tougher. At the end of the day, people are emotionally attached to whatever era they played in or grew up watching. In 2040, 15 year olds today who are watching Lebron, will be telling their children that whoever the superstar is at that time would not be able to play in the "tough Lebron era."

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker][URL="http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page/Michael-Jordan/michael-jordan-not-left-building"]http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/page/Michael-Jordan/michael-jordan-not-left-building[/URL]

No KG, Wade, [B]Durant[/B], etc?[/QUOTE]

durant would go cry to her mama every time he is fouled hard.....

[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]

No KG, [B]Wade[/B], Durant, etc?[/QUOTE]

Dude is literally the golden boy of a rule changed league

Where's Carmelo Anthony?

Melo is better than Glenn Rice, Chris Mullins, Steve Smith, and a better playoffs performer than Pistons Grant Hill.

He's a top 5 player in the NBA this season.

[QUOTE=Lebron23]Where's Carmelo Anthony?

Melo is better than Glenn Rice, Chris Mullins, Steve Smith, and a better playoffs performer than Pistons Grant Hill.

He's a top 5 player in the NBA this season.[/QUOTE]

Obviously more than 4 ****ing players could play in the old NBA (even bitchass wade). Jordan is trolling as usual. It's lonely at the top

[QUOTE=tontoz]Demolished by Durant, so weak he probably couldnt do 10 pushups? Put the hand check back in play and Durant would be even more turnover prone and wouldn't be getting free passes to the line all game. It would be much tougher for him to get clean looks. I think he would be the guy most aversely affected by the old rules. [/quote]
Why wouldn't he be getting free looks? Bodybuilder Reggie Miller had a ton of them. Handcheck was primarily for post up players.

Below is a clip of the Championship Bull team guarding Chris Mullin. The Bulls were the [B]best perimeter defending teams[/B] and Pippen is considered[B] one of the best perimeter defenders[/B]. Please count the times, hand-checking comes into play or when a perimeter player is pushed up on. Notice the space Mullin has to deal with.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHg736-JiWQ[/url]

And you think Durant would have a hard time?

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Jordan used to get hammered routinely because nobody could stop him which is why he got into weightlifting. No way could Durant take that pounding and maintain his current production. [/quote]

Durant is a perimeter player like Gervin. Mullin and Reggie Miller weren't getting beat up. Durant shot is not only faster, harder to block but he is vastly better off of the dribble.
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Lebron would be Lebron in any era, but he would have a tougher time against Pippen/Rodman than he has against anyone he faces now. And don't forget Xman who could also probably defend him better than anyone today. [/quote]
By the 90's Xman wasn't taking the tougher cover anymore - his injuries had settled in. Anthony Mason was the defensive stopper on the Knicks and he probably was one of the best defenders around for like three years he was really good. Rodman I say would be Lebrons toughest cover. He never faced somebody like Lebron. Rodman's Achilles heel? Guess what? The only time Rodman had to guard a 6-8 quick fast player? I recall him getting lit up with frequency. Worthy when healthy and playing above 25 minutes averaged significantly above his regular season average on Rodman and the same applies in the post season.

Rodman the best man on defender in the 90's. Its only the last play that he's guarding Jordan close. Hand checking begins below the foul line. Notice the distance he gives Jordan at 20-16 feet. Most players now hit the 18 footer.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4ZlHwMstDc[/url]

Pippen had real problems with Nique and Hill and never dealt with anybody who has the speed, quickness and power of James. Nobody has.

Iggy, Deng, Allen, Battier, Wade, Prince, Lebron and Sefalosha are all exceptional defenders.

K Leonard, Gerald Wallace, Paul George, Matt Barnes are all very good defenders. Definitely would play Mullin better than Pippen does in that video above. Its a bit unfair, as it is one game but thats how I recall defense on the regular back then on the perimeter.

[QUOTE=KG215]Didn't Jordan say something about Durant "is coming" when Ahmad asked him about KD? I don't know, that makes it sound like Durant would be good enough to play in his era. Granted, there's obviously more than those 4 from this era that could've played and been very good players in the 80's and 90's.

But I don't think he meant for it to be taken that way anyway.[/QUOTE]
He was clearly talking about players who have won championship, whether they would be as successful, but people are just going by the OP's title. Obviously Durant could play in any era.

if lebron,kobe,durant,wade,shaq,paul,melo played in jordans era.jordan wouldnt win 6 titles.he will get 1 or 2 titles

[QUOTE=LakersForlife]if lebron,kobe,durant,wade,shaq,paul,[B]melo[/B] played in jordans era.jordan wouldnt win 6 titles.he will get 1 or 2 titles[/QUOTE]
:wtf:

[QUOTE=NumberSix]:wtf:[/QUOTE]
rofl maybe not. and in the nba today got better midrange shooters its almost automatic.not in the 80 - mid 90s where defenders will sag off their man

[QUOTE=ralph_i_el]:applause: renowned talent judge Michael Jordan[/QUOTE]
oh yah its the same dude who drafted kwame ass

I disappointed with this MJ statement.. He's obviously lying..

I thought he will only choose Kobe.. I know Jordan was just being generous here but deep inside of him, he believes that only Kobe can play and dominate in his era.. I understand him for lying cos people may think he's just being biased if he only choose Kobe because we know Jordan is one of the biggest if not the biggest Kobe fans in the world..

[QUOTE=Pointguard]I had Richmond on my other list in my post I cut this from (Lebron in the 1990's). Cut and paste missed him. Jordan often said he was the best wing player of that generation.
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That probably is not far away from the truth. I remember I've seen the guy post up on Shaq and score over him. He was such a beast, shame he got stuck on crappy teams.

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