5-Year Old Tragically Kills Baby Sister with Rifle 'Made for Youths'

if the baby had a gun blah blah blah

First of all, I dont object to people having guns, but what does a 5 year old need a gun for? That's a little bit ridiculous to me. But whatever, if that's the America you guys want, then you reap what you sow

[QUOTE=MAC system]What country are you from?

My point was merely that these anti gun people parade around these facts that should have absolutely no impact on gun control in America. Comparing America to the ****ing UK? A damn island with a tiny black and hispanic presence. Are you that dumb people? To canada where they lock up theide borders to make sure our trash doesn't spill over onto their lawn? So many dumb Democrats these days[/QUOTE]
This is the second post where you imply that violence in America is all black and Mexicans' fault. Not only are you a racist piece of shit but also really really stupid.

Your posts in this are crap and not worth responding but I just couldn't let it go without calling you out on it.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]The fact that these images are not part of an Onion gag is very disturbing:

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Isn't that precious? That little girl has a rifle to match her tea set.[/QUOTE]
Disgusting:facepalm

[QUOTE=TheMan]This is the second post where you imply that violence in America is all black and Mexicans' fault. Not only are you a racist piece of shit but also really really stupid.

Your posts in this are crap and not worth responding but I just couldn't let it go without calling you out on it.[/QUOTE]
Racist? I'm half columbian a quarter brazillian and a quarter irish, I have no dog in this fight. Look at the stats on gun violence in the us. The majority is not that underweight 4chan loser that shoots up a school or movie theater, it's Hispanics and African Americans. Look at gun deaths and homicides in places where there is a small black or hispanic presence. Educate yourself before you call someone else stupid. If you think race and poverty don't play a heavy roll in gun violence, you're a ignorant as your post

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]We're all in agreement that an arms manufacturer that has a (since removed, shocker) "Kids Corner" page on their site that showcases pictures of literal toddlers holding .22s isn't a good thing, right? We're all in agreement that selling .22s with pretty, innocent pink stocks is a bad thing, right? 22s aren't ****ing Barbies, how can anyone back this company?[/quote]
I totally agree.

But your outrage, while noble, is misdirected completely. Last time I checked 5 year olds can't buy guns. We are talking about retarded parents here. Parents who probably didn't need a ridiculous ad campaign to be convinced that hey, getting my kid a rifle is a great idea.

And even further to that, where is the outrage with these f*cking parents who leave LOADED FIREARMS UNSUPERVISED WITH THEIR KIDS? Are we serious here? You belittle gun enthusiasts with your snarky comments and yet don't say anything about the individuals who are [i]actually[/i] responsible.

[QUOTE=MAC system]Racist? I'm half columbian a quarter brazillian and a quarter irish, I have no dog in this fight. Look at the stats on gun violence in the us. The majority is not that underweight 4chan loser that shoots up a school or movie theater, it's Hispanics and African Americans. Look at gun deaths and homicides in places where there is a small black or hispanic presence. Educate yourself before you call someone else stupid. If you think race and poverty don't play a heavy roll in gun violence, you're a ignorant as your post[/QUOTE]
First, I doubt you're half columbian since it's spelled col[b]o[/b]mbian but whatever. Second, the reason black and hispanic majority areas have a high gun death is because gangs are fighting for control of territory to push their drugs. It comes down to drugs and guns.

The fact that you imply that if the UK had a much larger Hispanic and black population their country would have more violent crime is pretty telling. You don't know that for a fact so STFU.

[QUOTE=MAC system]Racist? I'm half columbian a quarter brazillian and a quarter irish, I have no dog in this fight. Look at the stats on gun violence in the us. The majority is not that underweight 4chan loser that shoots up a school or movie theater, it's Hispanics and African Americans. Look at gun deaths and homicides in places where there is a small black or hispanic presence. Educate yourself before you call someone else stupid. If you think race and poverty don't play a heavy roll in gun violence, you're a ignorant as your post[/QUOTE]



F*ckin idiot.... some new account for a bigot coward to hide behind

[QUOTE=millwad]Hey, dude.

Don't remember if it was you but some poster on ISH said the same thing when I asked some questions about A&M before I left and it was really true.

I had so much fun, I met wonderful people and I enjoyed my time there very much but you're so right. And what's bothering is to know that the rednecks there are actually the educated ones, I really don't want to meet the uneducated and ignorant ones..

I was with a couple of exchange students in Houston to watch the Rockets play on a friday if I recall correctly, after the game we went to a bar and a group of people started arguing over something and one yelled something about putting a bullet hole in someone and yeah, empty threats are common all over the world and nothing happened. I've heard people in Sweden say that they're gonna kill each other plenty of times as well but considering how easy it's to get a gun in Houston and in Texas it makes it all much more disturbing to think that an unstable person who's trigger happy can end someone's life over the most stupid of arguments.[/QUOTE]

It's funny that you call me mentally challenged but you buy into the stereotype and media picture of every Texan owning guns and pulling them out all the time.

And you call me the paranoid one? You went to Texas A&M. Yes, there are a lot of rednecks and yes they shoot guns but none of them are out to kill you and none of them are packing 24/7. The funny thing is that going there for a semester should have killed that stereotype for you. I own no guns. I have only shot guns once in my life and it didn't happen until I was 22. These rednecks are more than likely the ones that own guns legally and know how to use them. They are not the problem.

And guess what, people carrying guns stop crime on a regular basis. Google it. To act like is some fairy tale is false. Unless these gun control laws will guarantee my safety and stop anybody that will turn a gun on me, I consider them useless. They will not stop criminals from having a gun and if I follow the law to not carry a gun and someone turns one on me? I'm f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cked thanks to your bulls[COLOR="Black"]h[/COLOR]it gun law. So much for life over rights.

Not only that but you're emotionally invested in this forum. It's not a big deal to argue issues like gun control, war, israel etc but it's another to constantly be in these bicker wars with people like godzuki and various ISH members that have nothing to do with these issues. Just pure insults and shit. So it's funny you call me mentally challenged after that.

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]The fact that these images are not part of an Onion gag is very disturbing:

[IMG]http://gloriagarvey.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Crickett_V3_03.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://mjcdn.motherjones.com/preset_51/crickett630-top.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.hausofguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Photo-May-13-4-20-14-PM-224x300.jpg[/IMG]

Isn't that precious? That little girl has a rifle to match her tea set.[/QUOTE]

What exactly is disturbing about these photos? They're little kids safely using guns and shooting targets. Are you saying that they're going to grow up and become killing machines? Really? These people aren't the problem.

What do you think about this?
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Now THAT'S disturbing. A little kid being brainwashed and actually killing human beings with a fully auto weapon.

[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]We're all in agreement that an arms manufacturer that has a (since removed, shocker) "Kids Corner" page on their site that showcases pictures of literal toddlers holding .22s isn't a good thing, right? We're all in agreement that selling .22s with pretty, innocent pink stocks is a bad thing, right? 22s aren't ****ing Barbies, how can anyone back this company?

You want to play the "guns don't kill" card, fine. Then who does? Five year olds that are legitimately marketed to and whose parents BUY THEM A ****ING RIFLE? That's a responsible industry? Come the **** on. These are the morons we're dealing with. Anyone that supports this shit should feel immense shame.

But **** it right, cuz the gubmint. [B]My little ragtag group of hilljacks that can't hit a deer from 30 yards is going to stop a takeover.[/B] Quit watching ****ing Rambo.[/QUOTE]

It's more or less the principle dude.

Here's a picture from the Kent State shooting...maybe you're US history class only went to WWII. This is how I respond to those that say the military wouldn't fire on their own citizens.

[IMG]http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-VK276_1119ke_H_20121119145033.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]It's more or less the principle dude.

Here's a picture from the Kent State shooting...maybe you're US history class only went to WWII. This is how I respond to those that say the military wouldn't fire on their own citizens.

[IMG]http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-VK276_1119ke_H_20121119145033.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Funny how those kids were lefty peaceniks and they were killed by a right wing administration (Nixon).

Moral of the story...Republicans are evil!!

I honestly cant believe anyone still uses the "Take away fast food..." card. Its even worse than the "Horry has 7 rings so...hes better than Jordan right?" argument.

That any functional person could compare a person deciding to over eat for years and gradually getting health problems to a maniac busting in and shooting up a school is baffling.

One...you do to yourself. The other...youre minding your own business watching a movie and some loser with a mental problem walks in and kills your friends and has you ducking machine gun fire.

But by all means...lets ban food because its "dangerous" in the same way guns are.

Food and cars are people making decisions. Sometimes right...sometimes wrong. There are accidents you cant avoid. But really...comparing the need for people to get from point a to point b in a society expanding more and more out of central areas...to the need to shoot paper, kill animals not bothering anyone, and hold the queen of England at bay?

ITs absurd that those arguments are ever put forth.

The one..and I mean the one and only...reason to be anti gun control?

It wont actually stop criminals.

It will slow them.

But nothing stops them.

And laws only initially stop people who obey the law. It would briefly create a world where the only people with a load of unpoliced guns...are the people looking to use them against the law abiding.

Which is a problem. And a fair reason to be against keeping people who do follow the law from having less access.

If you could snap your finger and remove all guns its a no brainer. But you cant.

In the world we have...at least in America...gun control laws wont stop much of anything for 50 years. If not more. You could make it illegal to produce, sell, or own a gun and we would still have a hundred million+ just off people who wont give them up.

Its a problem of generations. But letting it get worse because its hard to solve is just childish. Its a kid not cleaning his room because its so dirty its gonna take a long time.

You gotta start somewhere.

Universal background checks is at least...the kid not throwing more on the floor. Is that too much to ask?

Try to avoid putting new half eaten plates on the floor?

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]What exactly is disturbing about these photos? They're little kids safely using guns and shooting targets. Are you saying that they're going to grow up and become killing machines? Really? These people aren't the problem.

What do you think about this?
[IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JHh8S78crCA/T2Ngd-7t_QI/AAAAAAAAAWo/dUoROjH5Te0/s400/child+soldiers.jpg[/IMG]

Now THAT'S disturbing. A little kid being brainwashed and actually killing human beings with a fully auto weapon.[/QUOTE]
Oh, so it goes like this...

little white kids with weapons = cute and fuzzy

little black kids with weapons = disturbing and scary

Gotcha!!

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]It's more or less the principle dude.

Here's a picture from the Kent State shooting...maybe you're US history class only went to WWII. This is how I respond to those that say the military wouldn't fire on their own citizens.

[IMG]http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-VK276_1119ke_H_20121119145033.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]


this argument doesnt work...

you can have all the rifles and guns you want... You will never be able to stand up against the military..

havent you been paying attention to what our military does to people in other countries who fight back?

We crush people..


Didnt you see what happened to at Waco? what happened at Ruby Ridge?

those people got crushed... They drove a F*cking tank into Koresh's house and burned those people alive in there (some were children too).

I live in Philly and we had a militant group called MOVE. The police dropped f*cking bomb on their house and killed them. blew up a whole block of row homes in the process.. that happened in the 80s and that block still hasnt been totally fixed to this day

you are living in fantasy world if you believe you stand up to our military.. They'll drop a bomb on your head (or maybe a missile from a drone) and call you crazy and the public will believe them.

like someone said earlier.. "This aint Rambo" snap outta that fantasy world..

if you wanna fight back against the government? wont be able to get it done with violence. Our military has that angle covered, and they wouldnt hesitate to bury you if you challenge them.

[QUOTE=TheMan]Oh, so it goes like this...

little white kids with weapons = cute and fuzzy

little black kids with weapons = disturbing and scary

Gotcha!![/QUOTE]

Difference is the latter is a child soldier part of a military organization while the former is just some kids holding guns. I still don't promote the gun culture but they are HUGE differences. If you can't see the difference than I don't know

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]It's more or less the principle dude.

Here's a picture from the Kent State shooting...maybe you're US history class only went to WWII. This is how I respond to those that say the military wouldn't fire on their own citizens.

[IMG]http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-VK276_1119ke_H_20121119145033.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

We are talking about 5 year olds. What principles are you talking about? "Here's a rifle son, if those military people shoot at you, you better start blasting"
Why would the military be shooting at a 5 year old?
Context is everything, and in this case, there is nothing that justifies giving a rifle to a child. Period.

[QUOTE=TheMan]Funny how those kids were lefty peaceniks and they were killed by a right wing administration (Nixon).

Moral of the story...Republicans are evil!![/QUOTE]
You remember that prior to the shooting, these "lefty peaceniks" did the following:

- breaking into stores/vandalizing property
- looting
- burning down university buildings

Now before your pea brain jumps to "So you're saying they deserved to be shot?!?" that's not what I'm saying at all. What I am saying is the f*cking National Guard wasn't called in because students were minding their own business and/or peacefully assembling. So let's cut that act out right now.

And Hawker, if those students had been armed, it would have been an absolute massacre. A hell of a lot more than four dead. Man what a dark time in American history the late 60s/early 70s was. F*cking turmoil.

[QUOTE=TheMan]Oh, so it goes like this...

little white kids with weapons = cute and fuzzy

little black kids with weapons = disturbing and scary

Gotcha!![/QUOTE]

Yeah, you're a f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]cking idiot.

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]this argument doesnt work...

you can have all the rifles and guns you want... You will never be able to stand up against the military..

havent you been paying attention to what our military does to people in other countries who fight back?

We crush people..


Didnt you see what happened to at Waco? what happened at Ruby Ridge?

those people got crushed... They drove a F*cking tank into Koresh's house and burned those people alive in there (some were children too).

I live in Philly and we had a militant group called MOVE. The police dropped f*cking bomb on their house and killed them. blew up a whole block of row homes in the process.. that happened in the 80s and that block still hasnt been totally fixed to this day

you are living in fantasy world if you believe you stand up to our military.. They'll drop a bomb on your head (or maybe a missile from a drone) and call you crazy and the public will believe them.

like someone said earlier.. "This aint Rambo" snap outta that fantasy world..

if you wanna fight back against the government? wont be able to get it done with violence. Our military has that angle covered, and they wouldnt hesitate to bury you if you challenge them.[/QUOTE]

I agree with your last paragraph but to me, it's about the principle. Saying, "ah well, **** it we're just going to die anyways...let's just give up our guns" is not any kind of justification for gun control. Like someone said earlier, you're not in favor of gun control, you're in favor of gun centralization.

I'm just saying I absolutely don't buy the argument that the military wouldn't fire on their own citizens. The Kent State shooting proves that they're wrong. Killing innocent citizens is ok when the government does it I guess.

[QUOTE=Burgz V2]We are talking about 5 year olds. What principles are you talking about? "Here's a rifle son, if those military people shoot at you, you better start blasting"
Why would the military be shooting at a 5 year old?
[B]Context is everything, and in this case, there is nothing that justifies giving a rifle to a child. Period.[/B][/QUOTE]

And there's nothing that justifies not allowing a kid to shoot a rifle under parental supervision. Saying it over and over again doesn't prove. DonDadda's post actually proves I'm right...little kids being responsible and shooting guns for recreationally fun safely. And are we going to act like the military hasn't killed innocent children in the middle east?

And my post got a little off topic...

[QUOTE=johndeeregreen]You remember that prior to the shooting, these "lefty peaceniks" did the following:

- breaking into stores/vandalizing property
- looting
- burning down university buildings

Now before your pea brain jumps to "So you're saying they deserved to be shot?!?" that's not what I'm saying at all. What I am saying is the f*cking National Guard wasn't called in because students were minding their own business and/or peacefully assembling. So let's cut that act out right now.

And Hawker, if those students had been armed, it would have been an absolute massacre. A hell of a lot more than four dead. Man what a dark time in American history the late 60s/early 70s was. F*cking turmoil.[/QUOTE]

And some of those students that were shot were also just observers of the entire thing.

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]And some of those students that were shot were also just observers of the entire thing.[/QUOTE]
Of course, but that's not my point. In fact it couldn't be more contrary to what I was saying, because your statement implies that I have some sort of tacit acceptance of the Nat'l Guard killing those students. Which is ridiculous.

Anyway, the point is: buddy was acting like Nixon called in the Nat'l Guard just because he felt like killing some laid-back hippies who were sitting around campus strumming acoustic guitar bothering nobody. Just not even close to the truth, on multiple levels.

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]And there's nothing that justifies not allowing a kid to shoot a rifle under parental supervision. Saying it over and over again doesn't prove. DonDadda's post actually proves I'm right...little kids being responsible and shooting guns for recreationally fun safely. And are we going to act like the military hasn't killed innocent children in the middle east?

And my post got a little off topic...[/QUOTE]
What do you think makes it a good idea to give a real gun to a kid, regardless of the intent of use? Kids are easily shaped and there's no fool proof way to parenting. Kids are curious and we aren't mind readers. Would you give a knife or even a real sword to a child? Martial arts can be a recreational sport, so why not give kids new to it the real deal? How are you going to say that you are 100% confident that nothing can go wrong?

[QUOTE=TheMan]Funny how those kids were lefty peaceniks and they were killed by a right wing administration (Nixon).

Moral of the story...Republicans are evil!![/QUOTE]
democrats were the ones in favor of slavery and republicans ended it.

democrats are evil racists while republicans look for equality!:bowdown:

[QUOTE=MAC system]democrats were the ones in favor of slavery and republicans ended it.

democrats [B]WERE[/B] evil racists while republicans [B]USED TO[/B] look for equality!:bowdown:[/QUOTE]


fixed...

When Johnson signed the civil rights act of 1964, all the racist dixiecrats in the democratic party migrated to the republican party, and ever since the republican party has been the 'evil racist' party creating things like the "southern strategy" and more recently the attempts at voter suppression against minority groups.


Republicans have been spouting this distorted version of history lately, and it makes them look stupid when they try it.. It only works on other republicans.

Its like Darth Vader lecturing the rebel alliance about how he was once the greatest and most noble jedi in the Republic (before he betrayed everything he stood for and became a sith)

Recently Rand Paul went to Howard talking this BS and he embarrassed himself.. the audience was laughing at his attempt to distort history..

republicans need to stop using that talking point, because it is a distortion and its just an insult to people's intelligence. it doesnt work

drawing partisan lines only makes everyone dumber.

the democrats were the ones who did nothing when they had the chance for gun control legislation, so calling them a bunch of gun fearing pu$$ies is disingenuous.

despite all the blame towards the parents (which is correct), there are three bigger factors that people are losing sight of.

1-The US HAS a gun problem that its politicians refuse to address.

2-guns are the only common denominator in a lot of these tragedies.

3-the fact that someone can market rifles to pre-school aged children is sickening, no matter what side of the fence you are on. This company is incredibly irresponsible.

Bottom line there are a lot of false narratives in the gun debate:

-Obama wants to take away your guns
-you need guns to protect you from authority
-anyone can be effective in using a gun for self defense (the odds stack high in the other direction).
-guns make society safer (stats prove otherwise).


Background check, and registration are very reasonable requests, why lawmakers are too scared to push these through shows a serious cultural ill.

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]
[B] Unless these gun control laws will guarantee my safety and stop anybody that will turn a gun on me, I consider them useless.[/B] .[/QUOTE]


No law can [I]guarantee[/I] your safety. Not everyone observes speed limits and traffic lights. So, since they're not infallible, we should do away with them?

[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]drawing partisan lines only makes everyone dumber.

the democrats were the ones who did nothing when they had the chance for gun control legislation, so calling them a bunch of gun fearing pu$$ies is disingenuous.

despite all the blame towards the parents (which is correct), there are three bigger factors that people are losing sight of.

1-The US HAS a gun problem that its politicians refuse to address.

2-guns are the only common denominator in a lot of these tragedies.

3-the fact that someone can market rifles to pre-school aged children is sickening, no matter what side of the fence you are on. This company is incredibly irresponsible.

Bottom line there are a lot of false narratives in the gun debate:

-Obama wants to take away your guns
-you need guns to protect you from authority
[B]-anyone can be effective in using a gun for self defense (the odds stack high in the other direction).[/B]
[B]-guns make society safer (stats prove otherwise).[/B]


Background check, and registration are very reasonable requests, why lawmakers are too scared to push these through shows a serious cultural ill.[/QUOTE]

Show me these stats (in America).

And if this is true, I guess law enforcement won't be needing guns then.

The government doesn't need a registration of who owns guns and what type of guns they own.

The fact that people are effective in using gun for self-defense on a regular basis proves your "false" narrative incorrect. It happens. People can do it. Quit acting like it's a fairytale or something out of a movie.

[QUOTE=JMT]No law can [I]guarantee[/I] your safety. Not everyone observes speed limits and traffic lights. So, since they're not infallible, we should do away with them?[/QUOTE]

Wait, I thought we weren't allowed to compare cars to guns since the primary purpose of guns is to kill and cars to transport?

[QUOTE=Balla_Status]Wait, I thought we weren't allowed to compare cars to guns since the primary purpose of guns is to kill and cars to transport?[/QUOTE]

The problem with gun advocate's comparing cars and guns is functionality and necessity. They ignore the tools primary functional purpose and its necessity and just compare raw numbers of deaths per year. What he is talking about is the power of law and no matter how strong a law is, no law can completely deter crime or increase public safety to 100%. But in light of that fact it doesn't mean you should remove all laws simply because they aren't 100% effective.

Do you think just because transportation laws don't completely guarantee your safety we should just do away with them? Have no laws? No speed limits, no pedestrian crossings, no driving lanes? Is that a better scenario?

So guns don't kill people after all.