Tim Hardaway is a homophobe

America is a strange old country. To me if you are gay it makes no difference to me as long as you dont expose me to any homosexual activities, i.e make a pass at me knowing am i straight or say kiss another man in my company. I have no problems with homosexuals as people just like I dont have any problem with any person. In the locker room situation however it is a little weird and I can admit that if I had to share a locker room with a gay guy it would at the very least be uncomfortable at most a real problem. The problem arises knowing as a straight man if I was in a locker room full of women i would definitely atleast be considering boning a few of them. So if that logic is to be tranferred to a gay guy in a locker room full of men you can see why so many atheletes would have a problem with that scenario.

Wow, i just busted out into laughter when I heard the audio on Sportscenter.

I couldn't believe he took it there.

It was like a flashback to "George Bush doesn't care about black people".

Good stuff.

[QUOTE=JSub]That statement wasnt aimed at you directly.[/QUOTE]

My mistake

i enjoy the game of basketball, but i never expected many of these guys to be who i would want to spend time with.

Calm down, he'll walk away unscathed from this. He's black.

[QUOTE=gb8]America is a strange old country. To me if you are gay it makes no difference to me as long as you dont expose me to any homosexual activities, i.e make a pass at me knowing am i straight or say kiss another man in my company. I have no problems with homosexuals as people just like I dont have any problem with any person. In the locker room situation however it is a little weird and I can admit that if I had to share a locker room with a gay guy it would at the very least be uncomfortable at most a real problem. The problem arises knowing as a straight man if I was in a locker room full of women i would definitely atleast be considering boning a few of them. So if that logic is to be tranferred to a gay guy in a locker room full of men you can see why so many atheletes would have a problem with that scenario.[/QUOTE]
I don't mind you being in a wheelchair as long as you don't wheel your gimp ass around in front of me. Just do it in the privacy of your home.

Well this is and isn't a big deal....... This situation would be more noteworthy if.....

1. He was an active player......

2. He was getting major endorsement deals

3. He was on his way to the NBA HOF......

4. If he was a born & bred(He's english by the way)American.

I think the NBA should adopt the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.....But people ain't stupid....Their are gay dudes in the league right now, that ain't coming out any time soon and league insiders know it........

My personal opinon on Homosexuality.........

Do you........ not me...

I lost all respect for him. As if a gay guy would hurt him.

[QUOTE=reppy]Hardaway is probably gay. I remember one of my friends in 3rd grade was really anti-gay. Always talking about gays. And sex. And boobs. He used to pick on a really feminine kid (who is also gay). Surprise, surprise, he's gay, too![/QUOTE]

Not suprising. Spraying hate just so he can hide his sexual orientation. I was thinking the samething.

TIM HARDAWAY'S A F@GGET!!!

And now this will be the crowning achievement of Tim Hardaway's career.

As has been said in this thread a few times, what if a white player came out and said the same thing about black people? It's the same thing. Neither is a choice, and the only difference is that there are more black people than gay people, so this will cause less of an uproar.

And even if that is how you feel, shut your goddamn mouth about it and dont be retarded. What did he think was going to happen.

'Tim Hardaway hates gay people'.

'Wow, what a brave and courageous man. Let's sign him to a contract and then first ballot him right to the hall of fame'.

'Agreed'

[QUOTE=bjtrdff]And now this will be the crowning achievement of Tim Hardaway's career.

As has been said in this thread a few times, what if a white player came out and said the same thing about black people? It's the same thing. Neither is a choice, and the only difference is that there are more black people than gay people, so this will cause less of an uproar.

And even if that is how you feel, shut your goddamn mouth about it and dont be retarded. What did he think was going to happen.

'Tim Hardaway hates gay people'.

'Wow, what a brave and courageous man. Let's sign him to a contract and then first ballot him right to the hall of fame'.

'Agreed'[/QUOTE]

Difference

It's not wrong to be black

It is wrong to be a homosexual. It's accepted in society, but bottomline. Being gay is wrong.

As if Timbug's the only player (current or former) to have these views. And he's certainly entitled to him. He doesn't have to like gay people if he doesn't want. That being said, he should have kept those comments to himself.

[img]http://www.miami.com/images/miami/miamiherald/16701/278931165965.jpg[/img]
[i]Mmmm, yeah... want me some Timbug![/i]

Hardaway's ESPN career was far worse than these comments he made. I'm not diminishing what he said, but seriously..........you guys ever hear this guy on TV? He was the WORST commentator of all time. He totally destroyed the English language. Btw.........are those a pair of shox he was wearing in that picture? I didn't realize he was still with the heat when those shoes were around.

I'm coming late to this argument, equating skin color and homosexuality is ridiculous. You can't hide skin color, but you certainly can "not disclose" your sexual orientation. Ergo, the two are not equal.

I'd like to think of myself as a tolerant person, but being in the presence of a gay male who is attracted to you is a disgusting experience. I went through that in a previous position a couple of years ago and it was only through exercising rigid self-control that I didn't cave his head in with a baseball bat.

Discrimination isn't cool, but I can certainly understand how professional players -- the ultimate alpha dogs -- would object to sharing a locker room with someone who might secretly (or not so secretly) be lusting after them.

He spoke so gracefully too! Hardaway managed to actually sound like a FIFTH GRADER when speaking his mind about gays. Dude, get some more class!

Tim Hardaway is a complete disgrace to anyone who has trained long and hard to become a professional broadcaster. That alone made me lose all respect for him.

I really don't get what goes on in the head of people like Tim Hardaway, Mel Gibson, or Kramer, or countless other celebrities who has publically made racist/bigot remarks. Are they too stupid to realize that witin hours, what they said will spread all over the news, and then in a day or so, they will have to publically announce an apology and think of a way to excuse the comments?

I mean, are they athat stupid? They KNOW they're a celebrity, and they KNOW what they're saying is being recorded/on tv/on radio whatever, right?

I really don't get it. It's not like Tim Haradway was overheard saying that to his friends. He said that over the radio. Did the thought "gee, everyone's gonna make a huge deal out of this and i will have to make some fake ass apology in 5 hours" not hit his head?

Do they not think, or are they too stupid to realize if they make any controversial comments, it will make the news?

all this talk about bigots is dumb..



yes, being a bigot is a poor quality to have and Tim Hardaway definitely should have either kept this to himself or worded his sentences properly, but being a whiner is equally bad. and in a culture where freedom of speech, freedom of anything is accepted nearly everywhere I am shocked to find people who do not agree with liberal ideals such as homosexuality, feminism, or even ways of life instantly brand those who are opposed, despite their right to freedom of speech, as bigots and tell them to shut up.

for a group of people who criticize the Republicans and Bush for seeing things in black and white it is funny how if one does not like homosexuals, they are homophobes, how if one does not like feminism, they are sexists, how if one is a conservative, they are stupid. no room for middle ground?

talk about hypocrisy.



and yes you exercise your freedom of speech to criticize, but saying shut up is an act of censorship as you are trying to deny a Constitutional right given to all citizens... not just those on the left.

[QUOTE=clipps]Difference

It's not wrong to be black

It is wrong to be a homosexual. It's accepted in society, but bottomline. Being gay is wrong.[/QUOTE]
I wonder how many of you are ok with two fake lesbos going at it ina club or in a video? Is only male gayness wrong or all gayness? does there have to be penetration?

Wrong based upon....?
There are lots of well documented cases of gay sex in animals species. Some researchers estimate as high as 40% in some species. Are they wrong as well? Did they make a concious decision?

Is it wrong to engage in polygyny or polyandry? Even if its in the bible?

This statement is just as ignorant as me saying that it is wrong to be black or some other category loosely based on biological traits. :no:
If I can be bigoted against someone for being gay and that is publicly accepted, I should also be allowed to be bigoted based on racial classification or any other trait (political persuasion).


Being a christian is wrong, flat out. Against good morals too. WOuld we support this statement as acceptable if it was made against a Muslim player? Religious intolerance?

Being a christian is definitely a choice, but there is soem evidence suggesting that homosexuality is a reslut of both genetics and environment. Not neccesarily conclusive, but little in science is. [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/opinion/17pinker.html?ex=1171688400&en=39239b6beb74c2a1&ei=5070"]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/opinion/17pinker.html?ex=1171688400&en=39239b6beb74c2a1&ei=5070[/URL]

well, when you're an idiot, then you're simply too stupid to figure out the ramifications of making ignorant statements. There is a reason why losers like Tim Hardaway never won anything during their career. You can't count on guys like this for true leadership.

My point is that there are a lot of similarities. 40 years ago (and even now) plenty of people would say that being black is wrong and that black people are below white people. Everyone with half a brain knows thats stupid and false. But that's how it was, and a lot of people suffered because of something that's not their fault at all.

Gay people can hide it. But that's hiding who they are, and why should anyone do that? It's not their fault, its just the way they are, and they can't help it any more than someone can help their skin color.

Oh wait, it's because a mistranslated 2000 year old book thats been switched around and edited countless times to serve different agendas says so.


And PS statements like 'being gay is wrong, being black isn't' really serve to perfectly illustrate your point.

anyway, to add an addendum to my point:



homosexuality is not necessarily something I am against. I mean... I keep my distance. if they don't bother me, I see no reason why I should bother them.


and Tim made a boneheaded remark, but the general response given to him in this thread is rather :banghead:



something along the lines of : "does he have no scruples? going on TV and making these crass remarks which show no civility and should be kept in private?"

instead you get: "he is an idiot. he is an idiot. doesn't knwo what he's talking about. he should shut up."

[QUOTE=VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]all this talk about bigots is dumb..



yes, being a bigot is a poor quality to have and Tim Hardaway definitely should have either kept this to himself or worded his sentences properly, but being a whiner is equally bad. and in a culture where freedom of speech, freedom of anything is accepted nearly everywhere I am shocked to find people who do not agree with liberal ideals such as homosexuality, feminism, or even ways of life instantly brand those who are opposed, despite their right to freedom of speech, as bigots and tell them to shut up.

for a group of people who criticize the Republicans and Bush for seeing things in black and white it is funny how if one does not like homosexuals, they are homophobes, how if one does not like feminism, they are sexists, how if one is a conservative, they are stupid. no room for middle ground?

talk about hypocrisy.



and yes you exercise your freedom of speech to criticize, but saying shut up is an act of censorship as you are trying to deny a Constitutional right given to all citizens... not just those on the left.[/QUOTE]
Believe me bigots have plenty of space in AMerica to air their point of view. Listen to Rush talk about Katrina or anything else for that matter. American Bigotry is alive and well, with its freak flag flying high.

[QUOTE=boozehound]Believe me bigots have plenty of space in AMerica to air their point of view. Listen to Rush talk about Katrina or anything else for that matter. American Bigotry is alive and well, with its freak flag flying high.[/QUOTE]



agreed. I listened to Right Wing talk radio and some of it disgusts me quite frankly.. especially that Max Savage character.


but I still think the best way to restore balance to America is for people on both sides to start acting more civil rather than shout out "IDIOT! FOOLISH! NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONg. LISTEN TO ME."

[QUOTE=VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]agreed. I listened to Right Wing talk radio and some of it disgusts me quite frankly.. especially that Max Savage character.


but I still think the best way to restore balance to America is for people on both sides to start acting more civil rather than shout out "IDIOT! FOOLISH! NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONg. LISTEN TO ME."[/QUOTE]
I can certainly agree with that. Partisan politics are the downfall of any democratic system. Anyone who dismisses a politician or a piece of legislation based upon the party affiliations is a bad citizen in a democratic society. I stnd with George Washington in decrying party based politics as a poor substitute for true democracy. That is why I vote third party whenever they are on the ballot. Doesnt even matter which one (although i have my preferences). A two party system with both parties catering to big business's political needs is no choice at all for individual citizens.

you gotta look at it from an athletes perspective though. ya gotta get naked in front of duke on a daily basis .


that said he shoulda just kept it to himself.. he kept it real as **** though :roll:

hate is a very strong word though.

[QUOTE=boozehound]I can certainly agree with that. Partisan politics are the downfall of any democratic system. Anyone who dismisses a politician or a piece of legislation based upon the party affiliations is a bad citizen in a democratic society. I stnd with George Washington in decrying party based politics as a poor substitute for true democracy. That is why I vote third party whenever they are on the ballot. Doesnt even matter which one (although i have my preferences). A two party system with both parties catering to big business's political needs is no choice at all for individual citizens.[/QUOTE]
fyi despite his statements to the contrary, washington was part of a party by the end of his second term. he started out a non party guy but he was basically lieing through his wooden teeth when he was decrying the party system. basically what he wanted was for his party to be the only party.

Of any groups, I thought black athletes would be the most understanding about how hard it is to be a hated minority group trying to break into the world of sports. But I guess too many generations have passed for any of them to understand the impact.

I can't say I'm not suprised or disappointed.

Man...Timmy.....

People got to accept the fact that there all g@y people and there have been since the dawn of man. I really think there is NOTHING wrong with it.
We live in the freaking 21st century already...GROW UP PEOPLE!!!!

We do live in a society where there is free speach though...and Tim has every right to say what he wants...but being a public figure he has to be smart about what he says.

Oh well...personal opinion aside I still got love for the man who but the "T" in Run TMC.....but I am very disapionted.

Man...Timmy.....

People got to accept the fact that there all g@y people and there have been since the dawn of man. I really think there is NOTHING wrong with it.
We live in the freaking 21st century already...GROW UP PEOPLE!!!!

We do live in a society where there is free speach though...and Tim has every right to say what he wants...but being a public figure he has to be smart about what he says.

Oh well...personal opinion aside I still got love for the man who but the "T" in Run TMC.....but I am very disapionted.

[QUOTE=jaja]isiah washington actually isnt bigoted. he never called the guy a ****** and his castmate confirmed it.. it was just PR to go into 'rehab'[/QUOTE]


isnt that the same as saying that Tim Hardaway is a N*gga (except with the old ER at the end instead of a) and having his former teammates confirming that he is black?

[QUOTE=wang4three]Of any groups, I thought black athletes would be the most understanding about how hard it is to be a hated minority group trying to break into the world of sports. But I guess too many generations have passed for any of them to understand the impact.

I can't say I'm not suprised or disappointed.[/QUOTE]
What they're keeping gays out of sports? Seems like it'd be difficult since there is no visual stamp of the homosexual.

Just had a thought: Has Tim Hardaway ever been to South Beach? Miami could be a rough place to live in for a known homophobe.

[QUOTE]hardaway is a fool for saying that. he's making it seem like gay people are another species or something.[/QUOTE]

You know they basically are according to all the research. Not exactly species but they may as well be a new "gender" at least they may as well be if you believe the whole being gay is genetic thing.

I dont really care either way, you keep it to yourself and your kind and Im fine with it, start putting it on me and I wont be comfortable, keep doing it after I tell you to stop and Im probably going to hit you, the same way a chick would me if I kept hitting on her after she clearly showed no interest.

Plus, given that apparently being gay is not a lifestyle choice but a natural thing, survival of the fittest dictates it will be a short lived trend. Of course I've never understood why the gay community needs to defend their choice anyway unless they themselves doubt it.

I guess we won't be seeing any of those "Fav 5" cell phone commercials starring Tim Hardaway and Steve Francis. LOL.

On the serious tip though, Timmy just killed any future (or present) endorsement deals.

and a note to those who are piously devoted to the Book of Leviticus:



yes according to the Bible is homosexuality and sodomy are both sins and wrong. but God also teaches you not to take thinsg into your own hand and actively persecute others. he teaches that you should be moral and good and that He will take care of the sinners when the Judgment Day comes.



now the Koran on the other hand actively preaches killing all infidels.

[QUOTE=adamcz]I don't mind you being in a wheelchair as long as you don't wheel your gimp ass around in front of me. Just do it in the privacy of your home.[/QUOTE]

Am not in a wheelchair just for your information but thats neither here nor there, the fact that you would mak the comparison is slightly disturbing at the very least.
I think I explained why a straight male athelete could feel uncomfortable with having a gay team mate in the locker room. A clear logical path to conclusion based on the premise that if gay men view men as straight men may view women in a locker room situation. How is having a disabled guy in the same locker room offending in that same regard? Your logic at best is severely flawed and the connection you try to make is pretty weak.

one of my extremely pro liberal feminist friends was talking to me the other day about the virtues of homosexuality.


i did not agree, yet I held civil discourse with her and then I used the "well I'm okay for gays as long as they stay away from me. i don't want them feeling up on me."


then she used the one counterargument that shut me up:

"what makes you think gay man wants you?"

[QUOTE=raiderfan19]comparing homosexuality with skin color is just moronic. There is nothing wrong or unnatural about being any skin color. It is unnatural and wrong to be gay. I dont hate homosexuals nor do i think anyone should but this comparison is more foolish than tims statements.[/QUOTE]

thanks, eminem.

[QUOTE=JSub]Everyone who is vilifying Tim Hardaway is a ****ing hypocrite.[/QUOTE]

there are things we keep to ourself, especially if they are hurtful, it is at the core of being civilized. you wouldn't tell a fat ugly woman that she made you want to throw up and you'd rather pull your hair out than falk her. You'd keep your comments to yourself even if that is what you honestly thought, because that is what civilized people do.
Tim hardaway is scum because he truly doesn't know how to conduct himself in front of others. He is also pretty falkin dumb, he should know better. Must be a good school that UTEP.