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[QUOTE=tgan3]If god existed, you have proof of it? Occam's razor state that we should find the most obvious answer to any solution. For example, If a tree fell down, the most direct reasoning would be lightning had strike that tree. Rather then say aliens had came and shot the tree down.
Applying Occam's razor, we had NEVER SEEN God before. It is therefore fair to assume that God does not exist and we had existed all the while (After the big bang). Of course you could go the religious argument route and point out that we had never seen oxygen before, but oxygen exists. However, oxygen is validated by science, God is not.[/QUOTE]
since you know that oxygen exists then where did that came from? come on man its obvious if u really think about. Just like wind, we cant see it but we know it there, but at tha same time it was created by a much higher power, how do we not die when we fall asleep? many questions u have to ask yourself.
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[QUOTE=FiveRings]I see what you're saying. I know what you mean because I can put myself back into the mindset of when I was a Christian, and I would have thought something similar to that. You're telling me what Christianity says about things, but I already know what Christianity says. I went to church for a little over a decade and have read the Bible a couple times, the Quran, and a bit of the Book of Mormon. I need evidence and I don't see any of it in the Bible that I once thought was the word of God.
When I became an atheist, my whole model of reality changed. I hardly believe anything I believed as a kid, other than that theft, killing, etc are not good while love and compassion are good. I've learned so much since I became atheist, spending a lot of time reading books about science and atheism/religion, watching debates and lectures on youtube, and spending time on atheist forums. I know you will probably think the devil is influencing me to think the way I think, but there is hard evidence behind things like evolution for example. There are mountains and mountains of evidence, so I accept it as fact, the same way there is so much evidence that the Earth is round so I accept that as a fact.
I don't believe in free-will, period. Sam Harris has some great lectures on this. I see myself as a machine built by natural selection for survival. I'm not in control. There really is no "I" in the sense that I once thought there was. My mind is in control and whatever I do is unconsciously decided beforehand. I don't expect you to understand this because as a Christian this would have made no sense to me either.
My faith used to be strong and I legit believed the Bible, but I saw flaws that weakened my faith and eventually forced me to stop believing, for example the Christian God is supposed to be perfect and he's the designer of all things, yet babies are born with missing limbs and illnesses. God is not supposed to be flawed in his creation. My options were either "God is a jerk who punishes babies for the sins of their ancestors by creating them without limbs for his own amusement" or "There probably is no God".
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babies were born with illnesses and limbs for harsh reasons, like I said before, people in tha past can curse their descendents in tha future , think about how we are living today, tha world gets worse and worse, and people ACT like they have no control by doing whatever they want and most of that is evil and wickedness. Life is about "tests". We are not supposed to be here to do whatever we feel like doing, we struggle for a reason, we learn from uneasy situations and consequences for a reason, to make us stronger as people. Theres nothing wrong with learning about different books and lectures, and believe me I know tha bible iz not 100% correct because tha illuminati change some things in it, but you gotta also think about who rules this world, they cant stand christians, Jesus and God, u know why? cuz we represent tha truth, I know you know about tha illuminati and free masons and all, and they love athiests, cuz they dont have to worry about them messing up their agenda of a one world government which iz gonna take place very soon, and watch everybody pray to God then, cuz its bout to get really krazy, tha bible iz not 100% but in books like revelation they do talk about whats going on right now and will happen in tha near future, so if you dont want to believe than thats your choice. and Like u said theres good and bad, good and bad feelings, good and bad actions we face and encounter but where theres that come from? not outta nowhere man, not outta nowhere.
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]im not upset, im just explaining myself and make points but you wanna say u won even u didn't make a point, and thats a horrible answer by tha way.[/QUOTE]
See? You're so mad
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[QUOTE=b1imtf]See? You're so mad[/QUOTE]
you are making no sense man.
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]since you know that oxygen exists then where did that came from? come on man its obvious if u really think about. Just like wind, we cant see it but we know it there, but at tha same time it was created by a much higher power, how do we not die when we fall asleep? many questions u have to ask yourself.[/QUOTE]
most of the basic elements like hydrogen are made in the stars originally. The more complex elements like gold or iron were produced by supernovae iirc
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]you are making no sense man.[/QUOTE]
And you are mad
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[QUOTE=Jameerthefear]this is actually one of fresh kid's better trolling attempts. his retirement thread no one cared about to even notice so that one flopped.[/QUOTE]
He might be trolling, but there is about 25% of this country that believes what he (at least is claiming to) believes, IE that the events of the bible are historically true.
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Fresh Kid is the Theoo of creationist apologetics.
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[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]most of the basic elements like hydrogen are made in the stars originally. The more complex elements like gold or iron were produced by supernovae iirc[/QUOTE]
i understand, but again who made tha stars? who made tha supernovae iirc?
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]i understand, but again who made tha stars? who made tha [B]supernovae iirc[/B]?[/QUOTE]
Lol, IIRC means "If I Remember Correctly". Supernovae wasn't being used as an adjective in that post.
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[QUOTE=travelingman]Lol, IIRC means "If I Remember Correctly". Supernovae wasn't being used as an adjective in that post.[/QUOTE]
o my bad then.
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]o my bad then.[/QUOTE]
:cheers:
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]i understand, but again who made tha stars? who made tha supernovae iirc?[/QUOTE]
:lol
the big bang released energy which converted to hydrogen atoms and over a few hundred million years the particles (which were not evenly distributed by the big bang) gathered together and basically snowballed under their gravitational forces and produced the stars. a star exploding is referred to as a supernova. Heat and pressure from the gravitational forces created stars from the hydrogen atoms. iirc
remember energy is matter.
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[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]He might be trolling, but there is about 25% of this country that believes what he (at least is claiming to) believes, IE that the events of the bible are historically true.[/QUOTE]
Its not trolling, and tha reason why its 25% cuz people dont have real faith, been blinded by whats going on in tha world, and tha world has a lot of quitters and weak minded people too which explains that percentage also,and you also have to ask yourself why God is being kicked out of schools these days? why followers of God iz tha most hated or described crazy? like I said in tha other posts, tha people who are ruling this world is brainwashing many others out there (which iz influenced by tha devil), they dont want us to believe in God cuz they are carrying tha devils agenda and of course they want to be gods themselves with this one world government nonsense.
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[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]:lol
the big bang released energy which converted to hydrogen atoms and over a few hundred million years the particles (which were not evenly distributed by the big bang) gathered together and basically snowballed under their gravitational forces and produced the stars. a star exploding is referred to as a supernova. Heat and pressure from the gravitational forces created stars from the hydrogen atoms. iirc
remember energy is matter.[/QUOTE]
lets just say if there was a big bang, who made tha big bang?? exactly.
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]lets just say if there was a big bang, who made tha big bang?? exactly.[/QUOTE]
nobody knows, but if you accept the scientifically accepted version of the origins of life, you are acknowledging the bible is at least not literally true.
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[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]nobody knows, but if you accept the scientifically accepted version of the origins of life, you are acknowledging the bible is at least not literally true.[/QUOTE]
I dont say scientific version was true, I said "if", Scientists by using "the big bang theory" is basically just not including God and replacing him, which iz ridiculous, cuz remember in tha bible it said God created tha heavens and earth, mankind, animals, light, etc. which scientists should explain to yall that tha big bang gotta come from somebody if they think their theory iz correct and most definitely tha big bang cannot create all these things, given humans and animals senses and feelings, it doesnt add up at all.
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]babies were born with illnesses and limbs for harsh reasons, like I said before, people in tha past can curse their descendents in tha future , [/QUOTE]
Wow, you're a f*cking idiot. Unlike you, I've worked in hospitals, and if you ever saw the shit that happens to perfectly normal, decent people (also devout Christians, who unlike you at least know their own religion), you would just shut your stupid mouth up. My mum is doing voluntary work with patients who know they're going to die soon ( called terminal care in English?) and also works with people who are grieving after losing a loved one, including a group of little kids who lost a sibling or parent. And the stupid bullshit you write is just insulting to all the people who are suffering and the ones who try to help them. Even every semi intelligent Christian I know would simply laugh at the idiocy you're telling us in this thread.
I mean what the f*ck? Did you never go to school? Genetic defects, illnesses and such aren't happening for a reason. They just happen, because life is not perfect. Because the universe is not perfect. Never was, never will be. It's interesting to discuss with intelligent believers, I know a few personally. But you...damn...if you're being serious :biggums: It's like the f*cking middle ages...you should stick to threads about Melo, since this topic is way over your head.
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]I dont say scientific version was true, I said "if", Scientists by using "the big bang theory" is basically just not including God and replacing him, which iz ridiculous, cuz remember in tha bible it said God created tha heavens and earth, mankind, animals, light, etc. which scientists should explain to yall that tha big bang gotta come from somebody if they think their theory iz correct and most definitely tha big bang cannot create all these things, given humans and animals senses and feelings, it doesnt add up at all.[/QUOTE]
comparing the bible to the big bang theory as if they are equal in terms of evidence or scientific support is just wrong. There is a lot of effort and mathematical calculations that go into the big bang theory that about 13.7 billion years ago the big bang occurred. There is a lot of evidence that all the basic elements like oxygen and carbon are made in the stars and the more complex elements are made when a star explodes. Scientists have built the large hadron collider to test some of theories about how particles reacted when split and smashed together. Supposedly scientists agree the results were predicted by the big bang theory, which as a scientific theory offers predictive value.
There is zero evidence that the book of genesis is true. The bible's origin of the world if you take it literally is conclusively false.
1. the planet earth is 4 billion years old, not 6,000 or even 10,000 years old. Carbon dating is used to support the 4 billion year figure and other experiments as well.
2. Humans evolved from a common ancestor we share with chimps and bonobos. We have an even earlier common ancestor with gorillas. All the great african apes (including humans) are even more distantly related to south america orangutans. Man was not sculpted by god. Woman was not made by the ribs of the first man.
3. the movement of modern humans took about 15,000 years to move out of africa and into the rest of the world (europe and asia). 20,000 years to move across the bering straits into north and south america. we were not expelled from the garden of eden because eve ate an apple that a talking snake tricked her into eating.
There is no more more evidence indicating the bible's version of how the universe originated is true than there is for the theory that zeus' mom and dad had a fight. gaia and chronos beat each other or something. maybe it was zeus that killed chronos or was it when he trapped the titans under mount olympus.:lol
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]To all tha atheists out there... If you dont think God iz real then who made us? [/quote]
Your mother and the dumbass who didn't pull out made you.
[quote]who made tha world?[/quote]
No one, retard. Gravitational collapsing of molecular clouds (AKA nebulas) "made" the world you stupid retard who can't even spell a 3-letter word.
[quote] sun, moon stars,[/quote]
See above.
[quote]oceans, animals, continents, etc. ask these questions to yourselves...[/QUOTE]
Read a science book and not some imbecilic bronze age fiction made up by a bunch of guys who recognized how easily manipulated the average schmuck was.
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[QUOTE=niko]OP proves the existence of god. Why else would something as stupid as him exist? Natural selection? That perfect a storm of stupidity? Impossible.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8[/url]
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]Lets keep this thread classy guys. This is a serious topic that we are dealin with, and Im definitely not canyoudigit and zoom17, no way, no how, not possible.Thank you.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's serious. The US has to sponge off the best and brightest from other countries in order to remain a world leader in science and medicine. Just look at the faculty of any science/engineering department at any major university and you'll be lucky to find less than 70% of them being foreign born.
I take no pleasure in knowing that the general dumbing down of society will make it far easier for my progeny to get into the better schools.
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]babies were born with illnesses and limbs for harsh reasons, like I said before, people in tha past can curse their descendents in tha future[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Q3U4uIa.gif[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]tha bible iz not 100% but in books like revelation they do talk about whats going on right now and will happen in tha near future, so if you dont want to believe than thats your choice. and Like u said theres good and bad, good and bad feelings, good and bad actions we face and encounter but where theres that come from? not outta nowhere man, not outta nowhere.[/QUOTE]
Watch this short 8 minute video Fresh Kid. It explains the source of morality much better than I could [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XtvWkRRxKQ[/url]
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[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]nobody knows, but if you accept the scientifically accepted version of the origins of life, you are acknowledging the bible is at least not literally true.[/QUOTE]
The Catholics had this school or university and this nun told me they don't believe in Adam and Eve story either. They think it is an interpretation of what happened. HEck they don't believe in most of the old testament literally.:roll:
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[QUOTE=greymatter]Yes, it's serious. The US has to sponge off the best and brightest from other countries in order to remain a world leader in science and medicine. [B]Just look at the faculty of any science/engineering department at any major university and you'll be lucky to find less than 70% of them being foreign born. [/B]
I take no pleasure in knowing that the general dumbing down of society will make it far easier for my progeny to get into the better schools.[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
That is why the world makes fun of Americans. Haven't you noticed that there are more americans than foreigners in your country? Wouldn't it makes sense for the colleges to have more americans than foreigners?
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[QUOTE=FiveRings]
How do I explain demons, ghosts, and angels? I have had what a believer would probably see as experiences with ghosts and demons. When I was younger I used to think I saw what might be ghosts out of the corner of my eye all the time. I was hallucinating. I was paranoid and imagined what I was thinking of to be there. It was my imagination playing tricks on me. When I stopped believing in the supernatural, these experiences stopped. Funny how that happens.
Demons? Just a few months ago, I woke up in bed, couldn't move and realized there was what a believer might call a demon or something like that holding my head down. Is that what was actually happening? Of course not. I was still half asleep and couldn't move my head, so, still in a dreamy state, I imagined that there was someone holding me down.
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Demons are real. Same thing happens to me when Im half sleep, couldnt move, fighting with them, thats real. Its no hallucination, forget what them doctors say too, them demons aka fallen angels iz mad at us cuz we have a chance to be with God while they dont cuz they got cast out of heaven,especially tha people who doing good, trying to do good, and anointed to do good, they want to put that deep fear in us which God dont want us to fear in tha first place. and that whole hallucination nonsense is straight from satan, think about it thats why they dont bother you like that anymore cuz of your faith and beliefs, they have done their job. Real talk.
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]Demons are real. Same thing happens to me when Im half sleep, couldnt move, fighting with them, thats real. Its no hallucination, forget what them doctors say too, them demons aka fallen angels iz mad at us cuz we have a chance to be with God while they dont cuz they got cast out of heaven,especially tha people who doing good, trying to do good, and anointed to do good, they want to put that deep fear in us which God dont want us to fear in tha first place. and that whole hallucination nonsense is straight from satan, think about it thats why they dont bother you like that anymore cuz of your faith and beliefs, they have done their job. Real talk.[/QUOTE]
Did you ever even read the bible? Probably not. [URL="http://sbcvoices.com/fun-with-theology-is-satan-a-fallen-angel/"]Read this.[/URL] Do you have fun making up your own religion?
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[QUOTE=dr.hee]Wow, you're a f*cking idiot. Unlike you, I've worked in hospitals, and if you ever saw the shit that happens to perfectly normal, decent people (also devout Christians, who unlike you at least know their own religion), you would just shut your stupid mouth up. My mum is doing voluntary work with patients who know they're going to die soon ( called terminal care in English?) and also works with people who are grieving after losing a loved one, including a group of little kids who lost a sibling or parent. And the stupid bullshit you write is just insulting to all the people who are suffering and the ones who try to help them. Even every semi intelligent Christian I know would simply laugh at the idiocy you're telling us in this thread.
I mean what the f*ck? Did you never go to school? Genetic defects, illnesses and such aren't happening for a reason. They just happen, because life is not perfect. Because the universe is not perfect. Never was, never will be. It's interesting to discuss with intelligent believers, I know a few personally. But you...damn...if you're being serious :biggums: It's like the f*cking middle ages...you should stick to threads about Melo, since this topic is way over your head.[/QUOTE]
After all of that, my points still stands, everything in life iz not just a coincidence, thats what others who dont have faith in God will tell u, How do genetic defects happen? think beyond tha damn science books for once, you a grown damn man and u have to nerve to say did I go to skool? of course I did genius, but bynow in your lifetime have u notice that a lot of things they taught us in skool is not even true, like tha presidents, do u think george washington was really tha 1st president? they made us learn science for crying out loud and them damn scientists aren't 100 percent. Its seems like u are upset cuz Im relly bring out some valid points, but hey itz not my fault, Im just speaking tha truth. If you think every christian is laughing at me and think im 100 percent wrong then have them come in this thread, and I will gladly speak to them too, It seems like this topic went over your head.
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[QUOTE=Take Your Lumps][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Q3U4uIa.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Try to understand. Thats all im asking bro.
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Atheists are the biggest scum on planet. Worse than any murderer or rapist.
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[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]comparing the bible to the big bang theory as if they are equal in terms of evidence or scientific support is just wrong. There is a lot of effort and mathematical calculations that go into the big bang theory that about 13.7 billion years ago the big bang occurred. There is a lot of evidence that all the basic elements like oxygen and carbon are made in the stars and the more complex elements are made when a star explodes. Scientists have built the large hadron collider to test some of theories about how particles reacted when split and smashed together. Supposedly scientists agree the results were predicted by the big bang theory, which as a scientific theory offers predictive value.
There is zero evidence that the book of genesis is true. The bible's origin of the world if you take it literally is conclusively false.
1. the planet earth is 4 billion years old, not 6,000 or even 10,000 years old. Carbon dating is used to support the 4 billion year figure and other experiments as well.
2. Humans evolved from a common ancestor we share with chimps and bonobos. We have an even earlier common ancestor with gorillas. All the great african apes (including humans) are even more distantly related to south america orangutans. Man was not sculpted by god. Woman was not made by the ribs of the first man.
3. the movement of modern humans took about 15,000 years to move out of africa and into the rest of the world (europe and asia). 20,000 years to move across the bering straits into north and south america. we were not expelled from the garden of eden because eve ate an apple that a talking snake tricked her into eating.
There is no more more evidence indicating the bible's version of how the universe originated is true than there is for the theory that zeus' mom and dad had a fight. gaia and chronos beat each other or something. maybe it was zeus that killed chronos or was it when he trapped the titans under mount olympus.:lol[/QUOTE]
Where does mathematics calculations come from? where do we get our critical thinking from? come on man. You keep saying when star explodes, but didnt it say in tha bible that God made tha stars right? They tell u its a billion years old, but that is false. Idf man was not made by God then who made us? who made tha chimps for cryin out loud? your points are not making any sense. Why are we still breathing? who gave us thoughts? Ideas? ability to walk? talk? build? destroy? etc. not no damn particles in tha air I tell u that.
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Atheists are the biggest scum on planet. Worse than any murderer or rapist.[/QUOTE]
Its very sad that they can go through life like this smh.
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[QUOTE=dr.hee]Did you ever even read the bible? Probably not. [URL="http://sbcvoices.com/fun-with-theology-is-satan-a-fallen-angel/"]Read this.[/URL] Do you have fun making up your own religion?[/QUOTE]
You want proof? who do tha illuminati, one world government leaders, free masons, skull and bones, bliderburg group etc. worship? they worship satan, they call up demons to produce evil works in their life, heard of them?? they tha same ones who hates jesus, sometimes they will wear emblems such as chains or diamond encrusted pieces to mock him, and what they do as leaders with this world? and behind tha scenes in this world? start wars, kill people, set up blood sacrifices for their evil doings, mind control us with certain tv programs, media lies, certain advertisments, many celebritys who are corrupt that are nothing but illuminati puppets and hate God themselves, deceive everybody with poision that will eventually kill us physically and spiritually in foods, candy, liquor, smoking, man tha list goes on. If you think about it deeply, everything what Im saying really adds up man.
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Atheists are the biggest scum on planet. Worse than any murderer or rapist.[/QUOTE]
Lol
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]Where does mathematics calculations come from? where do we get our critical thinking from? come on man. You keep saying when star explodes, [B]but didnt it say in tha bible that God made tha stars right?[/B] They tell u its a billion years old, but that is false. Idf man was not made by God then who made us? who made tha chimps for cryin out loud? your points are not making any sense. Why are we still breathing? who gave us thoughts? Ideas? ability to walk? talk? build? destroy? etc. not no damn particles in tha air I tell u that.[/QUOTE]
Ya, and dbz comics say that god is a great martial artist called the supreme kai
Which one is true?
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]You want proof? [B]who do tha illuminati, one world government leaders, free masons, skull and bones, bliderburg group etc. worship? they worship satan, they call up demons to produce evil works in their life, heard of them[/B]?? they tha same ones who hates jesus, sometimes they will wear emblems such as chains or diamond encrusted pieces to mock him, and what they do as leaders with this world? and behind tha scenes in this world? start wars, kill people, set up blood sacrifices for their evil doings, mind control us with certain tv programs, media lies, certain advertisments, many celebritys who are corrupt that are nothing but illuminati puppets and hate God themselves, deceive everybody with poision that will eventually kill us physically and spiritually in foods, candy, liquor, smoking, man tha list goes on. If you think about it deeply, everything what Im saying really adds up man.[/QUOTE]
:biggums:
Oh God no, please don't tell me you're one of those people.
Please, just stop.
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]Demons are real. Same thing happens to me when Im half sleep, couldnt move, fighting with them, thats real. Its no hallucination, forget what them doctors say too, them demons aka fallen angels iz mad at us cuz we have a chance to be with God while they dont cuz they got cast out of heaven,especially tha people who doing good, trying to do good, and anointed to do good, they want to put that deep fear in us which God dont want us to fear in tha first place. and that whole hallucination nonsense is straight from satan, think about it thats why they dont bother you like that anymore cuz of your faith and beliefs, they have done their job. Real talk.[/QUOTE]
That experience happened to me about 4 or 5 months back. You said they won't bother me after they've done their job, but I've been atheist for a decade now, since I was 15 or 16 years old lol. Maybe they were bothering me because I still have a Bible in my appartment? Would you suggest that I remove the Bible from my appartment immediately?
I saw two different demons that same night. First I woke up and there was a demon covered in fur standing at my feet and just staring at me. I went back to sleep. I woke up again on my side and another demon was holding my head and had an arm around my body. After a minute though, I was able to get ahold of this demons head and bash it into the wall until I was fully awake and nothing was there. I thought a person needs the help of God and to invoke his name in order to defeat dark forces like this? Why should I feel the need to ask for anyone's help when I defeated the demon all on my own?
Did you watch that clip on morality? If scientists are the agents of the Devil, I guess I've sold my soul to the Devil and there's no turning back now.
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[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]Try to understand. Thats all im asking bro.[/QUOTE]
Alright...
[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]babies were born with illnesses and limbs for harsh reasons, like I said before, people in tha past can curse their descendents in tha future[/QUOTE]
How exactly are the actions of descendents thousands of years ago the cause of a baby being born with its organs outside of its body? I'd love to hear more details on this.
And how did you come by this information?