Why would they want Love?
He's 2nd biggest loser ever behind melo or even not behind
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Why would they want Love?
He's 2nd biggest loser ever behind melo or even not behind
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]Poor guy.
Dude can't even celebrate being the top pick because bran came in and didnt even mention his name in the letter & basically made wiggins look like nothing but an expendable item with enough trade value to help build his super team.
Brans a douche for that. Imagine Kobe going to the cavs in 03
& demanding they trade for Dirk at all cost including trading Lebron.[/QUOTE]
Lol at you for comparing Wiggins to rookie LeBron.
:facepalm :roll:
Im sure that if many of these 30 something win teams didnt win the lottery you would feel they should have found a way to lose more. But they got lucky...which is all this is.
They could have won more games and had their logo on the ball that got the Cavs #1 and suddenly....brilliant decisions....
The lottery is luck. Period. Far too early to be calling this and that. Many a #4 or 5 pick has been his drafts best player. Teams win #1 and its Greg Oden....
There is no set way to secure the best players in the draft.
You dont smart and stupid your way into position. you make the best of what luck provides.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Im sure that if many of these 30 something win teams didnt win the lottery you would feel they should have found a way to lose more. But they got lucky...which is all this is.
They could have won more games and had their logo on the ball that got the Cavs #1 and suddenly....brilliant decisions....
The lottery is luck. Period. Far too early to be calling this and that. Many a #4 or 5 pick has been his drafts best player. Teams win #1 and its Greg Oden....
There is no set way to secure the best players in the draft.
You dont smart and stupid your way into position. you make the best of what luck provides.[/QUOTE]
It's not just about the lottery.
And again...you make the best decisions you can. Also, do you understand how the lottery actually works? It's not pure luck. Luck plays a role, but it's not pure luck. I'm questioning whether you realize how it actually works.
But that is just noise.
I'm getting at this;
Not moving Afflalo last season was stupid for other reasons. Him with 2 years left is worth far more than 1 year. These things matter. Getting a young player, expiring contract, and a first rounder is a lot better than getting Fournier and the 56th pick. Although your strategy of keeping him long term was even worse. Imagine the Magic locking him into a 4 year 45 million dollar deal or something. LOL...are you really still advocating that?
Do you really dispute that?
Do you really dispute that the Magic would have rather had the 3rd pick than the 4th?
Do you really dispute that last year the Magic should have gotten peak value for Afflalo and tried to get a top 3 pick?
Are you really still arguing your side of this after just being proven wrong?
We are all wrong from time to time. I'm wrong on here plenty...you need to just admit your stance on Afflalo was wrong. Just like I'll admit I'm wrong here if this trade goes down as reported and the Cavs win titles and make the defense somehow work right off the bat.
In other news Dion Waiters is in even better shape than he was last year...
[url]http://instagram.com/p/q2gXq7t8DH/[/url]
Im going to explain this with an unrelated post I made earlier so you know im not pulling this concept out for just this situation....
[QUOTE]And if they dont it wont make it bad team building any more than the Spurs losing in 2013 made their way wrong.[/QUOTE]
Something not working is not proof that it was a failed concept from the ground up.
Just because 6 or 7 30 win teams win the lottery in 10 years is not proof that awful teams need to go all out to win close games and hope to have the 11th best odds.
Its LUCK.
If AA had a great second half and leads them to 33 wins...while you laughed saying they are idiots.
And they win the lottery...
You are not wrong...
They got...LUCKY.
This isnt a complicated enough concept for me to explain it again. Repeat yourself at your leisure.
[QUOTE=Meticode]In other news Dion Waiters is in even better shape than he was last year...
[url]http://instagram.com/p/q2gXq7t8DH/[/url][/QUOTE]
The guy is a social media junkie...
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Im going to explain this with an unrelated post I made earlier so you know im not pulling this concept out for just this situation....
Something not working is not proof that it was a failed concept from the ground up.
Just because 6 or 7 30 win teams win the lottery in 10 years is not proof that awful teams need to go all out to win close games and hope to have the 11th best odds.
Its LUCK.
If AA had a great second half and leads them to 33 wins...while you laughed saying they are idiots.
And they win the lottery...
You are not wrong...
They got...LUCKY.
This isnt a complicated enough concept for me to explain it again. Repeat yourself at your leisure.[/QUOTE]
It's not just about the lottery
I'm out
You aren't even reading my posts
You don't get team building and you clearly can't admit when you are proven wrong
The power of potential:
Bowie over Jordan
Oden over Durant
Wiggins over Love
:hammerhead:
[QUOTE=fragokota]The guy is a social media junkie...[/QUOTE]
A lot of players are.
You thinking a team building concept can be proven wrong in 5 months tells me enough to know we are barely even speaking the same language.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You thinking a team building concept can be proven wrong in 5 months tells me enough to know we are barely even speaking the same language.[/QUOTE]
Concept? The concept of coming up with a terrible strategy?
Could you please explain the upside of keeping Afflalo long term and paying him 4 years 44 million after this coming season for the Magic?
Here were the scenarios;
1. Trade him at his peak value last year around December and get back an expiring deal, a young asset, and a first round pick...while allowing the team to lose a few more games and potentially help draft position
2. Wait to trade him in the off-season when his value will be considerably lower...fournier and the 56th pick
3. Keep Afflalo this year and then either pay him at least 10 million a year or let him walk for nothing
You were absolutely against option 1.
So could you please explain to me how options 2 and 3 are better?
By all means...please tell me how Afflalo fits in long term with the team that has Oladipo and Payton...and is rebuilding.
Speaking the same language? Of course we aren't...you still think you were right with Afflalo. So I don't know what is going on here. Either you are too immature to admit you were dead wrong...or you really are so inept in team management that you can't see the obvious fact that how the Magic handled the Afflalo situation was terrible.
I don't know you to be that ignorant...so I'll assume you just can't admit you were wrong.
But...I am totally at a loss that one that knows the game like you could possibly think a long term 10 million dollar plus deal with Afflalo would make sense for this Magic team. Like...really? You think that makes sense?
These are the "details" you say don't matter, but oh...they do. You make mistake after mistake, like the Pelicans have, for example, and they add up. The details matter...it can make all the difference. I'm surprised one would even argue so much against that position...
It's gotten to the point on here that a poster looks at the following;
1. Young asset, expiring contract, and first round pick...less wins for potentially better draft pick
2. Fournier and 56th pick...added wins for worse draft pick
And they actually are so entrenched in their position...they can't admit that option 1 is way better. It's crazy...
I've been thinking about it, and I think Clyde Drexler would actually be the best comparison for a prime Wiggins, assuming he hits his potential. Clyde wasn't the best ball handler as well, though he was decent and he was a mediocre 3 points shooter. But he attacked the ring relentlessly and just had an uncanny way of getting to the hoop despite not having the best handles in the world.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]That is if we're over the cap. There is some disagreement on that matter.
Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO 4m
Continue to hear, despite Andrew Wiggins' name likely coming up in talks, Cavs have not offered him in any trade proposal.
Holding out hope... :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Amico is a horrible reporter and always has been but unfortunately after grant was fired griff decided to make him the inside reporter. so what he says carries more weight than anyone concerning cavs news. wiggins signed yay! time to trade for a center and put these stupid love rumors to rest. at this point the cavs just walk away.
What is it about love that cavs(GM Lebron)are so desperately trying to trade for him?
Apart from spreading the floor and some rebounding, he adds further problems to the lack of defense this team has.
Cavs do not need his scoring...I just don't see why they would risk their future assets over an guy who provides little improvement on what they have now, particularly from a defensive standpoint.
The news that they're going to make a deal will hit before they actually make it probably with an entire 30 days to leak the info.
[QUOTE=poido123]What is it about love that cavs(GM Lebron)are so desperately trying to trade for him?
Apart from spreading the floor and some rebounding, he adds further problems to the lack of defense this team has.
Cavs do not need his scoring...I just don't see why they would risk their future assets over an guy who provides little improvement on what they have now, particularly from a defensive standpoint.[/QUOTE]
He's the perfect PF next to Lebron in a vacuum though...and he's one of a few players in the league that actually have more value than the max contract.
So I get why...what I don't get is why they'd be willing to give up Wiggins and all that other stuff. That makes no sense to me...and I'm very skeptical that it's accurate...so I'll believe when I see it.
It would literally be, by far, 5 times better than any deal a team losing it's superstar ever got.
****ing shaq went for Odom, Butler, Grant, and a pick iirc.
I mean...I know love is younger, but damn...
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]He's the perfect PF next to Lebron in a vacuum though...and he's one of a few players in the league that actually have more value than the max contract.
So I get why...what I don't get is why they'd be willing to give up Wiggins and all that other stuff. That makes no sense to me...and I'm very skeptical that it's accurate...so I'll believe when I see it.
It would literally be, by far, 5 times better than any deal a team losing it's superstar ever got.
****ing shaq went for Odom, Butler, Grant, and a pick iirc.
I mean...I know love is younger, but damn...[/QUOTE]
this is such a delicate situation with Lebron being the GM(IMO)
I think the Cavs fan should at least wear his jersey to the game to show some support.
and this is nothing against Lebron.
[QUOTE=poido123]What is it about love that cavs(GM Lebron)are so desperately trying to trade for him?
Apart from spreading the floor and some rebounding, he adds further problems to the lack of defense this team has.
Cavs do not need his scoring...I just don't see why they would risk their future assets over an guy who provides little improvement on what they have now, particularly from a defensive standpoint.[/QUOTE]
Floor spacing is a huge, huge deal in today's league.
I think LeBron + Love is a perfect combination. Love is like a better version of Bosh (although less efficient defensively) and we all know that worked out pretty well.
I'd take Love over unproven potential anyday. Bron has to go for championships NOW. Wiggins will need too much time to develop. I might be wrong though, but that's just my two cents.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]Concept? The concept of coming up with a terrible strategy?
Could you please explain the upside of keeping Afflalo long term and paying him 4 years 44 million after this coming season for the Magic?
Here were the scenarios;
1. Trade him at his peak value last year around December and get back an expiring deal, a young asset, and a first round pick...while allowing the team to lose a few more games and potentially help draft position
2. Wait to trade him in the off-season when his value will be considerably lower...fournier and the 56th pick
3. Keep Afflalo this year and then either pay him at least 10 million a year or let him walk for nothing
You were absolutely against option 1.
So could you please explain to me how options 2 and 3 are better?
By all means...please tell me how Afflalo fits in long term with the team that has Oladipo and Payton...and is rebuilding.
Speaking the same language? Of course we aren't...you still think you were right with Afflalo. So I don't know what is going on here. Either you are too immature to admit you were dead wrong...or you really are so inept in team management that you can't see the obvious fact that how the Magic handled the Afflalo situation was terrible.
I don't know you to be that ignorant...so I'll assume you just can't admit you were wrong.
But...I am totally at a loss that one that knows the game like you could possibly think a long term 10 million dollar plus deal with Afflalo would make sense for this Magic team. Like...really? You think that makes sense?
These are the "details" you say don't matter, but oh...they do. You make mistake after mistake, like the Pelicans have, for example, and they add up. The details matter...it can make all the difference. I'm surprised one would even argue so much against that position...
It's gotten to the point on here that a poster looks at the following;
1. Young asset, expiring contract, and first round pick...less wins for potentially better draft pick
2. Fournier and 56th pick...added wins for worse draft pick
And they actually are so entrenched in their position...they can't admit that option 1 is way better. It's crazy...[/QUOTE]
And now you have returned to your usual tactic of making up a claim then asking me if it "Really" makes sense as if trying to confirm I believe something I never said(Similar to when you asked me if Paul is "really" way better than Jason Kidd). I never said to pay him 10-15 million a year.
I read that topic last night. My point then as now....is that you dont just give away all your decent players to tank because the 27 or whatever wins they were on pace for might be too many. Turns out they won 23...and 33 would have won the lottery.
They could have easily gone even further in the wrong direction(from your point of view) won the lottery and be well ahead.
You again..talking about some hypothetical player and a late draft pick when some teams strategy is to avoid non high first rounders just to keep the cap space.
Not being in their offices I can tell you the plan. What I can tell you for sure...is we cant tell if it worked 5 months after we discussed it. This moment to moment judgement of team building is one reason I doubt we would ever see eye to eye on it.
It isnt a few weeks or a few months. Its literally...years.
Everyone has been wrong hundreds of times. I have no idea if the Magic are until I at least...see the player they got out of it play an NBA game. See if they went the way they have for cap space for a specific target possibly disrupted by an extra guaranteed contract. Possibly one they decided fit better than AA in the last several months.
They passed on Exum...someone many GMs felt was a star...for who they have. How am I to judge their team building without seeing how it worked out?
Its a marathon.
in the world of cavs reporting things have been flipped upside since grant has left.
[QUOTE=DukeDelonte13]in the world of cavs reporting things have been flipped upside since grant has left.
Again...here were the options;
1. Trade him last december for expiring contract, asset, first rounder
2. Trade him as a potential 1 year rental for Fournier and the 56th pick.
3. Keep him through this coming season and either pay him 10 plus million to stay or let him walk for nothing.
You hated option 1. Please tell me how option 2 or 3 are better.
Would you pay Afflalo 10 plus million a season to stay on the Magic? Please answer?
Is Fournier and a first rounder better than Fournier and the 56th pick? Please answer.
Is getting a first round pick and a young player better than getting nothing back? Please answer.
You keep debating this on some broad level. Which makes no ****ing sense at all. This was a specific situation.
So I'm still waiting for one thing of substance from you on why keeping him long term makes sense...and it is just priceless that you say they should keep him, but not pay him. Just hilarious...
Also, could you explain to me how the lottery works. You realize that the only picks that are determined by "luck"...is the top 3...right? The rest goes in order. So when a team jumps into the top 3 that didn't finish in the top 3 (like the Cavs did)...and 2 and 3 finish with the 2nd and 3rd worst teams....the rest go in inverse order of the teams regular season record.
So in this draft, you saw the Cavs jump up..which is the luck part. You saw the then everything else goes in order.
But the draft stuff isn't really the point. I'm asking you the positive of keeping Afflalo. You keep saying..."luck", but what is the upside of keeping Afflalo? If you could give me an argument why keeping Afflalo and hurting his trade value and giving yourself worse odds in the lottery is smart...I'm all ears. In some cases there would be upside with a vet player like that, but I haven't seen one argument put forth by you yet about it. Please tell me the upside I'm missing.
The more i think about this the more i think that the cavs need to get this trade done...it's a good move
DMAVS brings up that they don't have to trade for Love and that they could go after somebody else...but who?....which player remotely as good as Kevin Love is available to be traded for and (according to reports) willing to come to Cleveland?
Offensively, there are maybe like 2 players in the league (if that) who fit better with lbj than kevin love....and cleveland has 0 shot of getting either of them...
say 4 years from now wiggins is paul george and bennett is paul milsap...is a Irving/George/old Lebron/Milsapp combo better than a Irving/(Martin/Waiters/Miller)/prime lbj/prime love team? honestly, i'd say no...
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]The more i think about this the more i think that the cavs need to get this trade done...it's a good move
DMAVS says that they don't have to trade for Love and that they could go after somebody else...but who?....which player remotely as good as Kevin Love is available to be traded for and (according to reports) willing to come to Cleveland?
Offensively, there are maybe like 2 players in the league (if that) who fit better with lbj than kevin love....and cleveland has 0 shot of getting either of them...
say 4 years from now wiggins is paul george and bennett is paul milsap...is a Irving/George/old Lebron/Milsapp combo better than a Irving/(Martin/Waiters/Miller)/prime lbj/prime love team? honestly, i'd say no...[/QUOTE]
I said they don't have to gut their team of;
Wiggins/Bennett/Haywood's contract/3 first round picks/6 million in cap filler...while taking back Martin and facilitating the move of Barea
That is my point.
I'm actually in favor of a Wiggins for Love trade...just not one that kills you like the above.
Have you thought about that team defensively much?
It would be really really bad defensively...especially in the playoffs. That team would be great in the regular season...and then likely flame out in the playoffs.
What would I do if that really would be the cost of Love...which I'm skeptical of hugely by the way as that would be far the best deal a team has ever gotten in a situation like this?
Well, I'd start inquiring about making small moves. The biggest need on this Cavs team is rim protection/center play. First thing I do is go talk to the Bucks about Larry Sanders and Middelton. Two guys that fit in so well.
The problem I have with overpaying so grossly for Love...is that he doesn't address the biggest weakness on the team right now and going forward. And you have a 20 year old stretch 4 that has 3 point range and you just have no idea how good he is. Why not just make a small move now and see what you have.
If you are going to basically forgo this season as a title winning year. Why not make a small move and see what you have? Also...you wouldn't even have to give up the whole year...they could make a move at the deadline if need be.
Not like Wiggins is going to be worthless or something in a few months.
They have Andy's expiring contract and Thompson will likely opt out...and they have the Haywood contract that allows them to make any trade.
To give up all that...for only love in this situation is just bad team management when other options are out there.
And something a lot of people are seemingly ignoring is....Thompson is going to be up after this season. Waiters the following season. Is the plan to keep those guys? Is there going to be pressure from Lebron/Rich Paul to bring back Thompson at like 10 million a season? These are the kinds of things that really matter. Because if they are going to be bring back Thompson for sure and a lot of people around the team seem to be indicating that the off court relationships might dictate that...then how does that work long term? Love and Thompson...with what at center? Where is the space coming to pay Martin, Thompson, Love...then Waiters...then max out Lebron...and get good enough at center and on defense.
Irving, Waiters, Miller, Allen, Love, Thompson...all these guys are minus or average defenders. This team would be hugely reliant on old Andy and aging Lebron to get stops.
Irving doesn't even fit that well next to Lebron. He's not a great spot up shooter. He likes the ball in his hands a lot...and he's a crap defender. Would the best thing be to play Lebron at the 4 and have him post up a lot more...so Irving gets to play more his style? Perhaps...
The big issue with Love/Irving is that you can't go small like the Heat could. The Heat could put Bosh at the 5 and go small and still play elite defense. If the Cavs go small and play Love at center....their defense will be terrible...so they couldn't consistently do that.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I said they don't have to gut their team of;
Wiggins/Bennett/Haywood's contract/3 first round picks/6 million in cap filler...while taking back Martin and facilitating the move of Barea
That is my point.
I'm actually in favor of a Wiggins for Love trade...just not one that kills you like the above.
Have you thought about that team defensively much?
It would be really really bad defensively...especially in the playoffs. That team would be great in the regular season...and then likely flame out in the playoffs.
What would I do if that really would be the cost of Love...which I'm skeptical of hugely by the way as that would be far the best deal a team has ever gotten in a situation like this?
Well, I'd start inquiring about making small moves. The biggest need on this Cavs team is rim protection/center play. First thing I do is go talk to the Bucks about Larry Sanders and Middelton. Two guys that fit in so well.
The problem I have with overpaying so grossly for Love...is that he doesn't address the biggest weakness on the team right now and going forward. And you have a 20 year old stretch 4 that has 3 point range and you just have no idea how good he is. Why not just make a small move now and see what you have.
If you are going to basically forgo this season as a title winning year. Why not make a small move and see what you have? Also...you wouldn't even have to give up the whole year...they could make a move at the deadline if need be.
Not like Wiggins is going to be worthless or something in a few months.
They have Andy's expiring contract and Thompson will likely opt out...and they have the Haywood contract that allows them to make any trade.
To give up all that...for only love in this situation is just bad team management when other options are out there.[/QUOTE]
i dont think the cavs can trade 3 1st rounders...pretty sure i read somewhere that they gotta keep 1 of em...and im assuming the deal is something like wiggins/bennett/1or2 1sts for Love/Martin
From what i've heard Larry Sanders is not available (i do love him as a player though) and who is to say he wants to be in Cleveland??
As far as that team being awful defensively - I don't agree necessarily...varejao is a pretty good defensive player as is LeBron and Honestly Kevin Love is not carlos boozer (love actually grades out pretty neutral in terms of Drapm)...he's a great defenive rebounder which helps...guard defense could be an issue with kyrie/waiters/martin/miller/allen all bad defenders but how hard would it be to make a move for a role playing defensive wing?...could sign someone like ronnie brewer for vet min..see if you can get marion for a pay cut or make a move for an iman shumpert type...it's doable...there have been rosters with worse defensive players that have been pretty good defensive teams..
Great...another 30 days of endless speculation and ESPN headlines like "Source: Cavs still front-runners for Love". :kobe:
Love is a star now. Wiggins might be someday, but not for a few years. LeBron is turning 30, so the priority is to win rings while LeBron is still in his prime. Trading for Love makes them into the definitive power in the East for the forseeable future and one of the best teams in the league. If you're Cleveland, you should be willing to part with Wiggins for Love as long as you get some other pieces in return and don't gut your roster with something silly like Wiggins/Waiters/Bennett + picks for Love/Martin/JJ.
Love/Martin/Dieng for Wiggins/Waiters or Bennet/picks/salary filler is a very fair trade. Yes, it's more than stars who want out have fetched in the past. But you just got LeBron back, so you do whatever is necessary to try and surround him with the best chance to win championships. And that is by trading for Kevin Love.
I hope the trade happens ASAP. All the rumors and speculation have been ridiculous up to now. Imagine if this drags on into the regular season and up to the trade deadline. :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]i dont think the cavs can trade 3 1st rounders...pretty sure i read somewhere that they gotta keep 1 of em...and im assuming the deal is something like wiggins/bennett/1or2 1sts for Love/Martin
From what i've heard Larry Sanders is not available (i do love him as a player though) and who is to say he wants to be in Cleveland??
As far as that team being awful defensively - I don't agree necessarily...varejao is a pretty good defensive player as is LeBron and Honestly Kevin Love is not carlos boozer (love actually grades out pretty neutral in terms of Drapm)...he's a great defenive rebounder which helps...guard defense could be an issue with kyrie/waiters/martin/miller/allen all bad defenders but how hard would it be to make a move for a role playing defensive wing?...could sign someone like ronnie brewer for vet min..see if you can get marion for a pay cut or make a move for an iman shumpert type...it's doable...there have been rosters with worse defensive players that have been pretty good defensive teams..[/QUOTE]
I think the Cavs can trade all 3 if one of them goes to a 3rd team that takes on Barea as reported, but I'm not sure.
Who cares about Sanders wanting to be on the Cavs? He's locked into a 4 year 44 million dollar deal that could be a ****ing steal with cap increases and in the right situation.
If Andy is fully healthy (unlikely) and Lebron goes all out...that team could get by defensively...maybe. But based on last year...I just don't think Lebron really wants to push his energy on defense as often as he used to.
Good defensive bigs are hard to come by.
I just wait and see what I actually have if the cost is this high. This team is going to badly need a do it all guard/wing defender...Wiggins. And badly need stretch shooting out of the forward position...Bennett.
My guess is that Waiters and a pick and cap relief could net a good center. I'd rather try that first...then evaluate what I've got...because damn...Andy is hurt a lot...and he's old now. That is a lot to put on him to make a team work. And the money to really address that need going forward is not there as much as everyone thinks it is...and all the assets to make trades are gone as well.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]I think the Cavs can trade all 3 if one of them goes to a 3rd team that takes on Barea as reported, but I'm not sure.
[B]Who cares about Sanders wanting to be on the Cavs? He's locked into a 4 year 44 million dollar deal that could be a ****ing steal with cap increases and in the right situation.
[/B]
If Andy is fully healthy (unlikely) and Lebron goes all out...that team could get by defensively...maybe. But based on last year...I just don't think Lebron really wants to push his energy on defense as often as he used to.
Good defensive bigs are hard to come by.[/QUOTE]
I like the dude but he's a headcase...im not sure i trust him to play his heart out when he's in a situation he doesnt want to be in....plus it would cost a lot to get him too..
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]I like the dude but he's a headcase...im not sure i trust him to play his heart out when he's in a situation he doesnt want to be in....plus it would cost a lot to get him too..[/QUOTE]
Well, that is kind of the point with him. It's a calculated risk. That is why I bet the Bucks would move him. They are rebuilding and starting fresh. My guess is that they are currently shopping Mayo (good luck), Sanders, and Illyasova.
Maybe Sanders the most because of the head case stuff.
I don't know how much it would take to get him. But I'd start there and find out.
Weird shit happens all the time. There were reports Afflalo was gonna be traded for the 11th pick...nobody blinked....5 days later he's traded for Fournier and the 56th pick.
It's hard to gauge the value when you don't know how teams are looking at guys. The Bucks might look at the Sanders contract as a really bad building block and would rather just shed it for relief and a pick. The last thing they'd want to do is play Mayo at sg either...he obviously has no future on that team in any real way unless he decides do to give a shit.
Maybe Waiters and a pick gets you Sanders and Middelton. Who knows.
Last year we saw Okafor on the IR get traded for Gortat on an expiring deal because the Suns thought they were gonna tank...LOL.
My point is that shit happens all the time. Guys become available at pennies on the dollar and the teams with assets capitalize on it.
I don't see the rush unless one were to think that Love was prime Duncan, Dirk, or KG...
And if the standard as Kblaze put is is..."have and incredible team that fails to win the title"...I just don't see how the current Cavs while making one or two small moves...don't already have that on lockdown. Regardless of what happens with Love, this team is going to be battling for making the finals for years to come. Going to win 55 or so games for years to come.
Maybe I'm under-rating Love, but I really don't think so...and it's odd to hear people that don't like him much (like Kblaze) be so in favor of gutting a team this much for him.
I don't know...I look at Chris Paul being traded for Gordon, Aminu, Kaman, and Austin Rivers...
How the hell are the Cavs gonna look in the mirror and trade Wiggins, Bennett, 2 first rounders at least, Haywood's great contract, and cap relief (that cost assets to get) for Love...and have to take on the martin contract which hurts the cap and the defense.
I mean...that just seems nuts to me.
If Wiggins is in the deal. The Cavs should be getting back Love and Dieng. I've said it all along and it's the only way the trade makes sense for the Cavs. Especially if they are giving up Bennett and a first rounder as well.
If the Cavs could do Bennett, Wiggins, 1 pick...for Love/Martin/Dieng. And that was it. Nothing else but cap relief shit contracts and money to bridge the trade gap. I'd do that. The Cavs keep 2 of their picks and keep the Haywood contract which is going to be necessary for them if they make a big move because they can make trades to go over the cap they couldn't do without it.
That deal is fair for both sides. Shit, the Wovles actually still win the damn trade historically, but I'd pull the trigger on that one.