Jordan's better than Kobe off the simple fact that Jordan lead his team in assists at one point his career. Kobe will never do that.
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Jordan's better than Kobe off the simple fact that Jordan lead his team in assists at one point his career. Kobe will never do that.
[QUOTE=MiseryCityTexas]Jordan's better than Kobe off the simple fact that Jordan lead his team in assists at one point his career. [B]Kobe will never do that.[/B][/QUOTE]
Huh?
jordan won titles in a big man league without great perimeter players
the 80s had great big men , difference was
they had jordans too
kobe faced a league with great perimeter players [I]and[/I] great big men
duncan
dikembe
both wallaces
yao
dwight
and a taste of
sabonis and alonzo
much like with ewing d rob and hakeem
without a great wing , , , you ain't winning jack
[QUOTE=Straight_Ballin]As sad as it is with kobe being a failure and all, it's still not as bad as those who think Bron will ever sniff MJ's greatness.[/QUOTE]
That ship has definitely sailed.
2/5? GOAT? lolroflhaha
[QUOTE=aau]amirite[/QUOTE]
No. Not at all. I went through painstaking detail breaking down every one of your misguided claims and showed you just how utterly and completely wrong you were. :cheers:
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]whats his record without pippen
:lol[/QUOTE]
kobe can't win without shaq & gasol :lol
23,000 career points at only 29 years old = better than Kobe.
[QUOTE=aau]jordan won titles in a big man league without great perimeter players
the 80s had great big men , difference was
they had jordans too
kobe faced a league with great perimeter players [I]and[/I] great big men
duncan
dikembe
both wallaces
yao
dwight
and a taste of
sabonis and alonzo
much like with ewing d rob and hakeem
without a great wing , , , you ain't winning jack[/QUOTE]
Michael Jordan's toughest competition at shooting guard during the mid 90s was Mitch Richmond, and he really didn't even matter because he was in the western conference, and they only played twice out of the whole season.
Jordan faced better 2-guards in 1998 than he would in today's game..
Here are the notable two-guards with over a 15.0 PER from 1998 and 2014.. Not only is the 1998 crop more talented, but they are smarter and more skilled players (more versatile than 3-and-D... almost all of the 1998 2-guards could post)... and they were generally older, more intelligent, physically stronger, and better at fitting into the team concept.
[U][B]1998[/B][/U]
Mitch Richmond
Penny Hardaway
Clyde Drexler
Latrell Sprewell
Reggie Miller
Eddie Jones
Kobe Bryant
Ray Allen
Jeff Hornacek
Nick Anderson
Jerry Stackhouse
Steve Smith
Doug Christie
Isiah Rider
Kerry Kittles
John Starks
[B][U]2014[/U][/B]
James Harden
Goran Dragic
Dwayne Wade
Manu Ginobili
Lance Stephenson
Jamal Crawford
Joe Johnson
Klay Thompson
Demar Derozan
Aaron Afflalo
Kevin Martin
Bradley Beal
Wesley Matthews
Nick Young
Dion Waiters
JJ Redick
Gerald Green
His career PPG average isn't going anywhere so who cares?
I just looked at the SF's from 1989 and compared them to today's game.... 1989 SF's blow today's game away, and there were only 20 teams as opposed to 30.
Today's game has very few decent SF's...
The rule changes and spacing have made open shots the expectation on every possession, so there is no need to take your man or score ON defenders as much anymore... Accordingly, inferior players are being churned out - wings are only good at 3-and-D..
And for bigs who used to have the offense run through them - well, today they only need to move their feet on D and be ready for open at-rim looks after the PG dribble-creates the look thru screen-roll action... This is part of the reason Duncan can still play well today - the brand of basketball is easier than when he was in his prime.
So only the PG position has an equal or greater crop of players than previous eras...
EVERY other position (SG, SF, PF, and C) had a much deeper, better crop of players in previous eras.
Here are the notabe SF's from 1989 that a 15 PER or greater... Keep in mind that there were only 20 teams in 1989, as opposed to today's 30 teams.
[B][U]1989 - Notable SF's with over a 15 PER[/U][/B]
Larry Bird
Dominque Wilkins
James Worthy
Mark Aguirre
Chris Mullin
Adrian Dantley
Alex English
Reggie Lewis
Scottie Pippen
Terry Cummings
Bernard King
Orlando Woolridge
Xavier McDaniel
Jerome Kersey
Chuck Person
Compare that to today's list of notable SF's with a PER over 15 - keep in mind, there are 50% more teams today (30 teams > 20 teams):
[B][U]2014 SF's[/U][/B]
Kevin Durant
Kawhi Leonard
Rudy Gay
Jimmy Butler
Chandler Parsons
Luol Deng
Nicholas Batum
Andre Igoudala
Trevor Ariza
Gordon Hayward
Paul Pierce
[QUOTE=Paul George 24]kobe can't win without shaq & gasol :lol[/QUOTE]
hes won 3 without gasol and 2 without shaq
what you meant to say is " he didnt win without fisher"
you cant group shaq and gasol together cause theyre from 2 completely different teams
besides... gasols not top 100 all time stats/awards wise
[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]hes won 3 without gasol and 2 without shaq
what you meant to say is " he didnt win without fisher"
you cant group shaq and gasol together cause theyre from 2 completely different teams
besides... gasols not top 100 all time stats/awards wise[/QUOTE]
how does kennethgriffin explain kobe's effort in 2006? and his beat down in 2011? chance to tie MJ's 2nd 3peat but got shot down... hard. :confusedshrug:
[B][QUOTE=Beastmode88]how does kennethgriffin explain kobe's effort in 2006? and his beat down in 2011? chance to tie MJ's 2nd 3peat but got shot down... hard. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
well in 06 he lost in 7 games to the #1 seed with kwame and smush as his next best players
and in 2011 he lost to the eventual nba champions after already being to 3 straight finals and winning 2 of them with 1 week away from serious knee surgery after an entire season of complications [/B]
listen bud. you can hype up gasol all you want. but the fact is hes probably the lowest rated 2nd option in nba history next to maybe waltons side kick or hakeems side kick in 94
gasol has never gotten a single mvp share. and 99% of champions have a 2nd best player with atleast some votes in their career