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[QUOTE]"I don't think it was some egregious mistake that anyone made," Utah coach Quin Snyder said. "At the end of the game you have to be tougher, stronger."[/QUOTE]
What about the rest of the game?
[QUOTE]Korver had 17 points and 10 rebounds for Atlanta (4-3). After his last 3 pointer, the only other points scored in the final minute were a pair of free throws from Teague with 5.7 seconds remaining.
Winning their third straight, the Hawks were playing without starting forward Carroll and reserve forward Scott, who combined for a 21.7 scoring average in the Hawks' first six games.
Millsap, who joined Teague and Korver to compensate for their absence, was pleased to pull down six offensive boards and finish 13 for 23 from the field.
"I was really just going after the ball and being aggressive," Millsap said. "I just got back to doing the things that got me here
[QUOTE]a quick look at the Jazz
[QUOTE]Quin Snyder, had just been named the head coach of the Utah Jazz.
"I was mad," said Schr
Rookie Rodney Hood missed his third-straight game due to right plantar fasciitis. He
[QUOTE]Trey Burke and Alec Burks have not started as hoped this season[/QUOTE]
Could we stop putting these guys together? Alec has been inconsistent not horrible. He's never started and was hurt in pre-season. Trey otoh...
[QUOTE], and pressure on the young guards only mounted following a combined 6-of-25 garbage game against a wounded Pacers team. A quick glance at this game
[QUOTE]The Jazz played very well tonight. They just didn
[QUOTE]The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has assigned guard Toure
I guess the fact that there is a long time between the 1st and 2nd game might be a factor.
The Utah Jazz are hopeful the once-popular Rocky Mountain Revue NBA summer league returns to Salt Lake City as soon as the summer of 2015, three league officials familiar with the situation told USA TODAY Sports. The people requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly until details are finalized. USA Today Sports
Preliminary plans aim to to keep the event intimate
Utah coach Quin Snyder was familiar with Ingles. Two years ago, when Snyder was an assistant at CSKA Moscow, his team played Ingles
[QUOTE]Murry, the ninth Jazz player to get a D-League assignment, averaged 8.4 points, 2.8 assists and 2.5 rebounds while helping the Rio Grande Valley Vipers win the 2013 championship.
All D-League games are televised on the league's YouTube channel and at NBA.com/dleague.
It remains uncertain whether Hood will be available after he missed the past three games with right plantar fasciitis. He's listed as questionable for this game between two struggling teams
[QUOTE]Millsap says Snyder helped him improve his footwork, and the Atlanta star was grateful to have worked with somebody who worked with Kobe Bryant on similar techniques in Los Angeles.
[QUOTE]With the hiring of Snyder, Favors has had three different head coaches during his five year career. While Favors has definitely made an imprint in the league during his short career, his progression as a player might have been hindered by the lack of having a stable coaching environment.[/QUOTE]
Might have been hindered from his lack of work in the off-season? He was in SLC this past off-season putting in more work it sounds like. They are using him better I think though he seems to be posting up more and more and that's not where he is effective.
[QUOTE]As we continue to glide through the first month of the NBA season, it looks like the addition of Quin Snyder has lead to Derrick Favors continute to progress as an offensive player. Under Snyder’s new high-energy offensive approach that centers around ball movement and a lot of different off-ball screens, Favors finally has an opportunity to fully utilize his natural athleticism.
By working inside a fast-paced offense that’s a lot more open, Favors has plenty of opportunities to work off-ball. Because he’s a lot quicker than your standard front-court player, Favors is able to cut past the competition to get an open look around the rim. That ability is clearly showcased by Favors shooting 75% from inside the restricted area, which exceeds the likes of Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin and LaMarcus Aldridge.
While off-ball penetration has a lot to do with that remarkable shooting percentage, Favors continues to make gradual strides as a post-up player. Rather than spending multiple seconds while working against another big, Favors is a lot more quick and fluid with his work in the low-post. Within seconds, Favors decides whether to lace up a right-handed hook shot or work his way to the rim, which prevents the opposition from getting in position to potentially defend his shot attempt.[/QUOTE]
He seems to like the left actually but yes when he makes a quick move he does well. When he doesn't it's usually ugly.
[QUOTE]In other aspects of the offensive game, Favors has basically maintained the same averages from the prior year. For example, Favors is averaging 2.8 offensive boards per game (2.7 per game in ’13-’14). While the lack of improvement might appear to be worrisome, it’s still better than the likes of Nikola Vucevic, DeMarcus Cousins and Andrew Bogut.[/QUOTE]
They have a different philosophy as far as hitting the offensive glass too. They want them back for transition D.
[QUOTE]On the defensive end, the case for Derrick Favors’ improvement becomes a bit more sketchy. When you take a look at Favors’ numbers via NBA Stats’ defensive dashboard (graph below), he appears to come out as an extremely solid inside presence. Compared to the net average, players have an extremely low field goal percentage from inside the restricted area when they’re going against Derrick Favors.
However, when you look at the grand scheme of Utah’s defense, those numbers really haven’t been able to help make the team better on that end. Entering Tuesday night, the Jazz had the 29th worst defensive rating in the NBA (113.0), which is only exceeded by the awful Los Angeles Lakers (117.0). While player tracking is definitely in favor of Derrick Favors, the 6’11 forward hasn’t been able to make a big enough impact to help push the Jazz out of the defensive gutter.
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Points-Per-100 107.1 102.5
Points Allowed-Per-100 103.1 102.1
Net Rating -0.9 -9.2
REB% 51.9 50.4
Team True Shooting % 57.4 52.1[/QUOTE]
They went from 30th to 29th. I guess I was wrong about their defensive prowess under Quin. Looks like they are better with Rudy but I'm sure that is Enes fault. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE]Besides the uncertainty surrounding his work on the defensive end, it appears that the addition of Quin Snyder has definitely helped Favors become a more consistent offensive player. Under Snyder, Favors has become the main focal point of the team which is apparent from his career-high 22.9 USG%. While most players would lose their consistency with having an elevated role, Favors’ field goal percentage has elevated to a career-high 54%.[/QUOTE]
Main focal point? I'd say it's been G and maybe Burke unfortunately. Burks and Kanter should be.
While that consistency might taper off as the season wares on, Favors impact on the team is extremely apparent. Having a skilled, athletic forward like Favors is absolutely key for Quin Snyder’s offense to continue to improve. And as that improvement does happen, the Utah Jazz fanbase will have a lot more fun as the season goes on.
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Enes get hurt?
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Murray will have to a lot better than that I'd think if he wants to stay with the Jazz into the New Year.
[QUOTE]After a somewhat listless performance against the Indiana Pacers, followed by a hard-to-stomach loss versus the Atlanta Hawks (after having a big lead), losing Friday
[QUOTE]Anthony, who had a handful of different Jazz players (but mostly Hayward) defend him, scored 46 points. [/QUOTE]
Is G a two way player or not?
[QUOTE]His most memorable points came on a deep 3-pointer over the 6-foot-10 Favors with 2.3 seconds remaining to tie the game.
If you weren
[QUOTE]Because the Knicks didn
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[QUOTE]Shumpert was hurt when Jazz center Enes Kanter banged into him on a drive to the basket. [/QUOTE]
Enes with the big play of the game! I imagine Shumpert would have spent time on G and Burke and given them a little more offense.
[QUOTE]With Amare Stoudemire sitting out to rest, it left the NBA's No. 29 team in points per game without its Nos. 2 and 3 scorers. Shumpert was averaging 13.8 points and Stoudemire 10.9.
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Jazz: Rookie Rodney Hood tested out his right foot at the morning shootaround before being ruled out for a fourth straight game because of plantar fasciitis. ... [/QUOTE]
sounds like he might be getting close. I'd send him to the D-league when he's ready to play. Let him get it going down there and bring him back up to help out later. Exum looking like he could use it too. Clark if he's not going to play. Too much D-league talent unfortunately.
[QUOTE]Coach Quin Snyder said Toure Murry, a former Knicks guard who was assigned to Idaho of the NBA Development League on Thursday, needed the opportunity to get more work. He hasn't appeared in a game this season for the Jazz.[/QUOTE]
Needs to prove he's a D-leeaguer at least if the Jazz are going to keep him.
[QUOTE]Knicks: Coach Derek Fisher said the decision to rest Stoudemire was in part because of a quick turnaround, with the Knicks playing again Sunday afternoon. It was the first game Stoudemire missed this season, and Fisher said it was part of a plan the team hopes will have Stoudemire available for 70 or more games.[/QUOTE]
Not even a back to back? Can you say tank?
[QUOTE]UP NEXT
Jazz: Visit Toronto on Saturday.
Knicks: Host Denver on Sunday.
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[QUOTE]How fun is this season?[/QUOTE]
Tanking! :wtf:
[QUOTE]A game after a meltdown down the stretch the Jazz got better. The Jazz were down 5 and proceeded to score on 7 straight possession. What a contrast from the night prior.
Trey Burke hit the game winner and it was awesome but the story of the night was Gordon Hayward going head to head with Carmelo Anthony and holding his own. He held his own matching the games best scorer bucket for bucket. He didn
[QUOTE]David Thrope, a development expert, has been ranking rookies for years now for the Worldwide leader. And the top of the rookie rankings so far this season list our very own Dante Exum as #1. Clearly it was his potential that dazzled so many teams, and made it a no-brainer for the Utah Jazz to snatch him up when he fell to #5.
Check out the full ESPN Insider article here, but this is a small excerpt to whet your appetite.
1. Dante Exum, Jazz
We saw Exum's "it" factor in summer league and he has been terrific this season, showing the ability to make both simple passes and tough ones (when required) to teammates for easy shots. He makes hard drives and dishes for 3s or dunks. He delivers lobs. He leads fast breaks, which result in wide-open scoring chances. And, most impressively, he finds open shooters far away from the action.
He's doing this with very few mental errors, too, while also managing the game. Exum is playing like someone who deserved to be drafted first overall.
- David Thorpe, ESPN, 2014[/QUOTE]
I guess this was written before the last 3 games?
[QUOTE]Jabari Parker is #3, K.J. McDaniels is #4, Elfrid Payton is #5, Aaron Gordon is #6, last year's big man Nerlens Noel is #7, and Andrew Wiggins comes in at #8. It's a 20 player list, and the breakdowns are worth breaking down and buying Insider access for. Especially since Rodney Hood makes the list at #14, and I think it would be unethical for me to copy and paste what Thorpe says about him too.[/QUOTE]
Looking like an overrated draft. Hood and Exum both look like D-leaguers. You have to be able to bring it every night.
[QUOTE]Granted, a lot of rooks have started slowly this season, so this isn't purely a numbers game right now. Though it could be in the future as the season goes on. But it's nice to see Dante get the pub early, he came into the league with a lot of momentum. Pre-draft national TV ads. He made a big splash in Vegas on his first scoring play. But since then you haven't heard a lot about him -- unless you are among that crazy Top 5% of the NBA audience, or are a Jazz fan.
Oh, and for what it's worth, Marcus Smart is last on this list. Yup. Eat it, Bill Simmons.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Burke had his best game of the season. Much has been said about his struggles, some coming from yours truly. And yes, he has really struggled. But on Friday, he played with the poise and demeanor that impressed during large portions of his first year. [/QUOTE]
Not sure about large portions.
[QUOTE]He orchestrated the offense and made things happen within the game. Burke was 5-9 from the floor, including a trio of 3-pointers. He dished out eight assists with just a pair of turnovers1. Lastly, he registered a team-best +16 mark. While that stat has its flaws, it shows a glimpse into a player
[QUOTE]The Jazz stuck with the Raptors for much of the game. With this being the fifth of a five-game road series, that in itself is a positive.[/QUOTE]
They played a lot better than I expected. Probably the best they've played before the terrible finish and G didn't look to have a lot of energy from supposedly being sick.
[QUOTE]Utah had a nice 2-3 showing. It won a pair of close outings in Detroit and New York and almost nabbed two more victories versus Indiana and Atlanta, but fell short.[/QUOTE]
Those losses hurt. Should have won them. That's the difference between being good and sucking.
[QUOTE]There is still a lot of room for improvement, but signs are encouraging for head coach Quin Snyder and his faithful band of followers.[/QUOTE]
Haven't been that impressed. The D sucks bad still.
[QUOTE]Grading the performance: Utah started out looking sharp. It was playing with the pass, with most of its baskets coming off assists. The Jazz shot well, but could not sustain it. The game served as a reminder that this is an up and coming team that has a lot of areas to address.
Utah Jazz grade: C+
After 10 games, the Toronto Raptors are looking like one of the best teams in the Eastern Conference. [/QUOTE]
As expected and not saying much.
[QUOTE]As they showed against Utah, Toronto has a solid blend of offensive ability, defensive attitude and veteran depth. Thanks to its strong bench, it is able to go at its opponents all night. All in all, there appears to be a contending team in Canada.[/QUOTE]
Contending for what?
[QUOTE]Toronto Raptors grade: B+
Three telling stats:
[QUOTE]Rodney Hood woke up the morning of the Jazz-Mavericks game a week and a half ago, and something just wasn
[QUOTE]Big men Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter each scored 18 points, shooting guard Alec Burks notched 10 points and 10 rebounds, and Burke chipped in 12 points and five assists.[/QUOTE]
The bigs need to hit the boards too.
[QUOTE]Hayward finished with 10 points but only took 10 shots while dishing out five assists.
“He’s a tough guy, you know,” Booker said. “We know he wanted to be on the court with us and fighting with us. We know we can count on him.”
Bench players Rudy Gobert, Dante Exum, Joe Ingles and Booker also had good moments for a progressing team that is currently playing better than its 4-7 record would indicate.[/QUOTE]
You think? I don't see it. Their schedule has been favorable if you look close. They've beat teams that were coming off a game the night before and 4 shitty eastern teams on this trip. The D sucks. The bench is too young and inexperienced. They aren't very good shooters. Do they have an NBA ready pg? Look like the same old Jazz to me. If they'd put together a roster to compete they might be on to something but they haven't. Imagine if Millsap was in the mix.
[QUOTE]“If you look at the game and three-and-a-half quarters, you’ve got to feel there were some really good things,” Snyder said of the Jazz. He then turned his focus on the Raptors, who shot 51 percent and scored 35 in the fourth, saying, “That’s a very good team. They’re difficult to defend when they get it going.”
The Jazz flew back from Canada after Saturday’s setback, will take it easy Sunday, hit the practice court again Monday and play their first home game in awhile Tuesday against Oklahoma City.
“It will be good to go home and play there,” Ingles said.
For some, it was good to go home and sleep, too.
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[QUOTE]what Casey saw as he watched Hayward and the Jazz play at Madison Square Garden caught him by surprise.
"If you had told me a year ago he was going to be guarding Carmelo Anthony in the post, I would have thought you were on drugs or something," Casey said prior to Saturday night
[QUOTE]Still, Hood believes his development has continued despite the injury.
"I
[QUOTE]Toronto's James Johnson sprained his right ankle after he stepped on the foot of a cameraman along the baseline while chasing a loose ball in the fourth. Johnson stayed in the game briefly but had to leave and was unable to return.[/QUOTE]
He was giving them a lot of trouble at the time too.
[QUOTE]DeRozan shot 5 of 8 in the first, one more made basket than he'd made in either of his previous two full games. DeRozan's 10 points were matched by 10 from Favors, and Burks hit a buzzer-beating 3-pointer as the Jazz led 25-23 after one.
Kanter scored eight points in the second and Lowry missed a driving layup in the final seconds as Utah led 49-46 at halftime.
DeRozan had 11 points in the third as the Raptors took a 76-72 edge into the fourth.
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Jazz: Rodney Hood (right foot) was unavailable. ... Utah had an assist on 16 of its 18 made baskets in the first half. The Jazz finished with 22 assists. ... All five starters scored in double digits.
Raptors: DeRozan shot 7 for 32 in Toronto's previous two games, going 4 for 15 against Orlando and 3 for 17 against Chicago. He went 10 for 17 against the Jazz. ... Valanciunas posted his second double-double of the season. ... F Landry Fields was available after missing the previous two games with flu-like symptoms, while Vasquez played despite a sore right knee.
UP NEXT
Jazz: Visit Oklahoma City on Tuesday.
Raptors: Host Memphis on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]
They've got guys at the end of their bench that would play for the Jazz. They cut Hamilton before the Jazz picked him up.
[QUOTE]Nets Daily: Once again, Andrei Kirilenko was DNP-CD last night. So far this season, he's played a total of 27 minutes, 10 in last five games. Twitter @NetsDaily [/QUOTE]
Let's bring him home. Evans for AK probably works. Good fit. Plays D and loves to pass.
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=njxlq8p[/url]
Probably get a 2nd round pick and/or cash out of it just for saving the Nets luxury tax money. They've also got 4 guys at the end of their bench not playing that the Jazz might have interest in with their extra roster spot which could soon be two extra spots. Jazz still would be just under the cap after the trade. Jeremy might get a chance with the Nets.
[QUOTE]As an NBA fan, I want to commend the Utah Jazz for actually trying. ESPN released an article Friday morning about how the current Philadelphia 76ers team may be the worst team in history, and all evidence points to them just tanking their season on purpose. If they perform poorly enough, they get a higher chance of a better draft pick next year.
I know the Jazz are not the most stacked team, and probably one of the worst in the league. But the new head coach, Quin Synder, seems serious about having his players do their best each night. Utah is a small market for potential NBA athletes, so just to go out each night with a goal for working hard makes me proud to be a Jazz fan, even if it doesn
[QUOTE]If you need a small sign of hope that the Utah Jazz are improved from a year ago [/QUOTE]
I thought that was an unquestionable fact? Corbin is gone. Jefferson is gone. Marvin is gone. Got our future superstar with last year's tank.
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[QUOTE]the Utah Jazz and Gordon Hayward failed to agree to terms on a contract extension. As a result he played last year without the financial security that some of the other players from his 2010 Draft Class had, including teammate Derrick Favors. He would finish the season with eye popping statistics on a bad team, and entered restricted free agency. It wasn't long before the suitors started calling for the USA Basketball camp invitee. The Charlotte Hornets threw a match contract offer at him, which the Utah Jazz had no option but to match it.[/QUOTE]
Why did they have no option? I know 3 weeks proves he's a max player for the next 4 years but I'm still not convinced. He's always been streaky. The Jazz still suck.
[QUOTE]They knew how good Gordon could be. [/QUOTE]
Did they? They gambled.
[QUOTE]So they had to pay the market value for their potential star.[/QUOTE]
They didn't really though. They might have a better roster right now if they had spent that money elsewhere? They are thin. And next year doesn't appear to be any different. Wait for 2017 when the cap rises!
[QUOTE]The TV airwaves, news talk radio, and internet went ablaze, and many questioned if Gordon Hayward is a max contract player. Today the jury may still be out, but so far this season it's hard to argue that Gordon recognizes the faith and trust the franchise has in him; and is doing his best to be worth that kind of investment.[/QUOTE]
He wasn't doing his best a year ago?
[QUOTE]So far this season we saw him go head-to-head against LeBron James and drain the game winner in the 5th game of the season. This week he went out East to play a five games in seven nights road trip. So how did he do, overall against the likes of the Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers, Atlanta Hawks, New York Knicks, and Toronto Raptors?
Well, there should be few doubts if any about Gordon's ability. He has been nothing short of a star player during this last week. even if the team went 2-3.[/QUOTE]
If you give him a pass for a couple games and don't mind the sub-.500 record when choosing your stars which the coaches picking the all-stars generally do.
[QUOTE]Basic Stats:
Gordon played in all five games, and played an average of 35.09 mpg. What did he do in that time? Well....
PPG: 20.60
RPG: 4.60
APG: 4.20
SPG: 2.00
BPG: 0.40
If you add that up, that's 31.80 BARPS (Blocks/Assists/Rebounds/Points/Steals) per game, which may mean nothing to you unless you play fantasy basketball. His efficiency is such that he was registering one of those simple five category stats at the rage of 0.906 per one minute. That's very close to a 1:1: ratio of getting good numbers when he's out there on the floor.[/QUOTE]
Fantasy star!
[QUOTE]While there's no science to it, if you are a 20/5/5/1+ player that means you can call yourself playing at an All-Star level. While this was only for five games we must recognize that on this highly visible period (early games, East coast bias, whatever you want to call it), he was very good.[/QUOTE]
But is that max level?
[QUOTE]Shooting and Scoring:
Gordon Hayward averaged over 20 points a game. Again, sample size, but if that continues to be the case for the season G-Time will be the first 20+ point scorer for the Jazz since Deron Williams ' 21.3 ppg (2010-2011, traded at the deadline and played only 53 games).
He shot 48.61 fg%, 36.84 3pt%, and 81.25 ft%.[/QUOTE]
I have my doubts as to rather he can keep that up. Still don't think go to guy/scorer is where he's at his best over the long haul.
[QUOTE]Gordon got to the line 6.40 times a game, and if not for the 0/3 performance in Atlanta, he would have gone 29/32 during this trip.[/QUOTE]
Cool we can eliminate games when making guys stars! :cheers:
[QUOTE]Good players make their free throws. Great players don't leave points at the line in a close game. [/QUOTE]
Actually they do. He's always hit free throws though hasn't he? Can he consistently shoot well for the field and behind the arc though?
[QUOTE]And by that measure alone you can say that Hayward played like a player in-between those two qualitative measures. Looking at the normative picture going 50/40/80 is pretty awesome.[/QUOTE]
Or 45/35/80 anyway. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE]So he shot well, and he didn't jack up a ton of shots. He only averaged 14.40 shots a game (with 3.80 from outside). [/QUOTE]
He's still had a tendency to throw up bad shots to try to get himself going. He has to have more confidence in those around him. There are some other guys capable of putting the ball in the hole when he's not feeling it.
[QUOTE]He took a shot once every 2.44 minutes on the floor. He was assertive, which he like, but not shooting the ball every single time he touched it. (Point of direct comparison, in that same year D-Will averaged 21 ppg, Al Jefferson shot the ball once every 1.70 minutes on the floor. Or once every 102.29 seconds on the floor.)
Because he got to the line so much and made those shots he had a PPS (points per shot) value of 1.43, which is above that of Karl Malone's career average of 1.41. He delivered better than the Mailman on this Eastern Conference trip.[/QUOTE]
And we expect him to keep that up?
[QUOTE]And because of his great shooting across the board he ended up with a TS% of 59.83%, and an eFG% of 53.47%.
Any way you slice it, Gordon shot the heck out of the ball, and it was awesome to see. But even better than that was the fact that he recognize it was going to be 'all on him' (something that Tracy McGrady had trouble dealing with). Gordon put the team on his (larger) shoulders, and carried the team during some of the most important stretches of the last five games. His killer instinct in Madison Square Garden was one of the best of any Jazz player. And it shows, he has a win in that building now, while the 41 year old New Orleans / Utah Jazz franchise has only 13 total.
Rebounds and Distribution:
Gordon didn't have the best game of his career in Toronto, but he was putting in work on the glass. It's even more impressive when you recognize that for some of the games he was the primary defender of the other team's best scorer. So he was playing defense, and then ALSO getting the defensive board to solidify that the other team was stopped.[/QUOTE]
They didn't do much stopping did they?
[QUOTE]Sure, 5 rpg isn't the same thing as 10, but for a wing player it definitely will do. Getting stops has been the problem for the Jazz defense this year, and when your small forward is out there getting 8 defensive boards (Indy), or 7 defensive boards (Atl) that means he is committed to helping your team get stops.[/QUOTE]
They got killed on the offensive glass regardless and it cost them big time.
[QUOTE]Sure, it takes away some rebounds from the bigmen -- but the other way to look at is it that he is trying to help them so the task of rebounding doesn't fall to just the players on the team who are just the PFs, and Cs.
Hayward didn't just rebound the ball, then dribble up the court and shoot it himself. Because he was torching teams it helped him draw the defense towards him. This is why having star players is so critical to success, because it changes the defensive pressure around the floor, and allows for good players to kill teams with their passing. Which is what Gordon did. Save for the Atlanta game where no one was making shots down the stretch, The Precious had at least four assists in each game and averaged 5 for the four games not in Georgia. There was a little bit of fumble-itis for all of the players on the Jazz during the trip but Gordon still managed a 2.10 to 1.00 assist to turn over ratio.
This shows that he wasn't just a guy jacking up shots to score a lot, but he played a fundamental role on defense and on offense beyond that of just shooting really well.[/QUOTE]
That is where his value lies. If he can shoot well enough to keep the defenses honest he can make plays for his team mates.
[QUOTE]Defense and hustle:
The one thing these numbers don't show is his actual man defense, where he made life tough for so many talented players: Josh Smith, Carmelo Anthony, DeMar DeRozan . . . uh . . . C.J. Miles? Okay. So it wasn't like playing LeBron James again, but you can tell that Hayward is just one of those guys other players don't want to be defended by.
More than that, other teams just don't want to play against him period. He averaged 2.0 steals a game on this trip. He's smart enough to know what's happening on the court while being there to lock up his man, and know where the opponents are trying to move the ball. These were not Ronnie Brewer style steals where his 6'11 wingspan and track athlete physicality allowed him to cheat in the passing lanes. This was a guy getting steals with his mind, knowing when the gamble on defense, and knowing when to time his strike.
It was awesome to see. And for those who like stats that you haven't heard of, he had a Defensive Gambling value of 1.35 (which is a ratio of steals, steal attempts, blocks, block attempts, and fouls called -- which you have to track by hand to really figure out). [/QUOTE]
Have fun with that man! :D
[QUOTE]Gordon was more than just a one-way player (like Carmelo Anthony or Monta Ellis, or other big scorers who don't bring much else to the table).[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't want to pay them max either myself.
[QUOTE]Gestalt Offense:
GO Rating is another thing I invented to better quantify how good a player is on all aspects on offense. Sure, he wasn't just a scorer. Yes, he got boards. Yes, he passed the ball. He hustled on defense. But the easiest way to be a star in this league is to be a big deal on offense. Someone the other team absolutely has to scout and really has to gameplan for.
And for this trip Gordon Hayward's GO Rating was 109.89. For a frame of reference, what players are in the neighborhood?
150+ : Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Shaquille O'Neal
140-149: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Rick Barry, George Gervin, Chris Paul
130-139: Magic Johnson, Karl Malone, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird, Allen Iverson , Adrian Dantley, Julius Erving, Bernard King
120-129: Dominique Wilkins, Charles Barkley
110-119: Carmelo Anthony, Alex English, Vince Carter, John Stockton, Dirk Nowitzki, Clyde Drexler
109.89 <-- GORDON HAYWARD ON THIS TRIP
100-108: Paul Pierce, Isiah Thomas, David Robinson, World B. Free, Hakeem Olajuwon, Tim Duncan
90-99: Deron Williams, Moses Malone, Ray Allen, Mitch Richmond, Steve Nash, Chris Webber, Kevin Garnett
Yeah, obviously not the most dominant ever, but between a group of legit star players who have taken their teams to (at least) the Final Four of the NBA as the best player on the team. (Yes, even Vince Carter did pretty okay as a 1st option.)[/QUOTE]
Just ahead of the gunner World B. Call me convinced! :rolleyes:
[QUOTE]The Big Picture:
Gordon got paid. And he is earning his pay right now. A 5 game sample size of 20/5/5/2 is great. But the larger body of work is what we're going to watch -- and enjoy -- all season long. And he's averaging 19.2, 5.5, 4.8, 1.3 for the 2014-2015 season right now. How many other NBA players are currently averaging 19,5,4,1? Four players. LeBron James, James Harden, Stephen Curry, and Gordon Hayward.
Gordon Hayward is playing like a star. And by the time February rolls around, if he keeps it up, he should be an All-Star.[/QUOTE]
But who gets left off from the teams that are winning? :coleman:
[QUOTE]Snyder is also trying to keep a big picture perspective for the rebuilding Jazz. [/QUOTE]
He doesn't have much choice does he with the roster he's been dealt?
[QUOTE]So while the Jazz lost more than they won on their first long road trip of the season, the coach sees positives.
"I think the average age of our team is like 24. Teams I coached at Missouri were [just] a little younger. I don
[QUOTE]Mark Snider, the play by play man of the Idaho Stampede, interviewed Justin Zanik at halftime of the Idaho / Erie game last night. Zanik is the assistant general manager of the Utah Jazz (and the brother of Jeff Zanik, a big-wig at ASM sports, which represents Alec Burks and Trevor Booker), and as a result, this was a gem.[/QUOTE]
That's an interesting tidbit. Wonder how much of a role that played on their new contracts?
[QUOTE] MS: Welcome back to Boise!
JZ: Thanks Mark, I appreciate it. It's always good to be here.
MS: The relationship between the Utah Jazz and the Idaho Stampede, in a lot of peoples' minds, was a no brainer given the history of the Jazz and their ownership group here in the Treasure Valley. The proximity didn't quite work out a few years ago, but when the opportunity arose to form that relationship earlier this year it seemed like Utah was enthusiastic about jumping in.
JZ: Absolutely. The history of The Miller Family and the different interests that we have up here in Boise along with a good mix of Jazz fans in Boise following our team in Utah - so it was a natural fit. And the Stampede business operations have been great to us. We've really started off to have a good relationship. So we're really happy about the relationship. And we'll see how we proceed here on the court.[/QUOTE]
Interested to see myself. The main reason to have it is to have guys actually playing games there. Hood coming off his injury and struggling before it needs to go there. Exum could use some time there too. Clark as well. Burke if they had any other options in SLC. Boise is close enough that they could play some games there between Jazz games and play for both.
[QUOTE] MS: The Jazz used the D-League a little bit, but you now have a new head coach in Quin Synder who was a head coach in this league in Austin. You have a coach here in Boise who worked for a Houston team that was very active with the NBA Development league; you can see the weaving come together of a real close working relationship. How do you in Utah, down in Salt Lake, envision this relationship working out?
JZ: Well, we see it as a great resource for - and - another piece for our development for our young players. We consider members of the Stampede and the young members of the Jazz that may be assigned here that we are all on the same page as far as the development of our players. And then seeing where that grows. We have a young team in Utah, we have a young team here in Idaho. Those experiences and really both coaches staffs being connected in terms of how we teach, what kind of structure, what kind of culture that we're trying to build that it's replicated in both places.
MS: Dean Cooper in his first year as the Head Coach of the Stampede; what was it about Dean that Utah liked and pursued. I know he has a history with your General Manager in Salt Lake, so there's some history there with the Houston days. What is it about what Coach Cooper brings that makes him right for the Jazz organization here in Boise?
JZ: Well, there's a few things. Good question, Mark.
Aw yisssss
JZ (continued): Dean's an outstanding teacher. He's very meticulous and organized in terms of practice plans and development plans for our players - both in Utah and here in Idaho. He's an extension of Quin's staff. They've been in constant communication. Dean was with us for a good two months, and all summer, in Utah with our new Summer League program, and with Quin installing his new philosophies as well. And Dean as been there with him every step of the way so that what Quin's staff wants, and what we want here in Idaho is reflected with Dean. He's been outstanding so far.
MS: We've seen Toure' Murry assigned here for the first two games of the season. When you bring a player to Boise from the Utah roster what are you looking for?[/QUOTE]
He wasn't there the first game but why would you know that as play by play man? :wtf:
[QUOTE]JZ: So it's an individualized plan. Every player's different, of course. With Toure' he did not have much of an opportunity to play in Utah, and this is a way with us running a very similar system in Utah and Boise that he gets a chance to get reps. And some good practice time. We've been on the road, we're finishing tonight a five game road trip on the East Coast, so there hasn't been much practice time of many reps for guys that are not in the rotation so it's a great opportunity for Toure' to come down here and play. And the assignment, I think, will be good for everyone. So Toure' gets to play and we get to see him develop.[/QUOTE]
Most importantly you see if he's worth keeping around past the deadline for guaranteed contracts. Didn't show that in game 1.
MS: He seems like he's shook a little of the rust off. He's playing better tonight, uh, today than he might have played a little bit last night. A little tentative. We're seeing more of what, I think, Utah saw when you had him on your roster.
[QUOTE]JZ: Well I think there's probably some rust or jitters for everyone, it's the second game for Idaho as well. Certainly just trying to get into the flow of playing big minutes going from not playing and having some little practice time to 25 / 35 minutes here. It'll be a bit of an adjustment and learning to play with other players he hasn't played with yet. Every game the familiarity will obviously get better.
MS: Are there other players, without getting too far into the thinking of the Jazz, but are there other potential assignments throughout the season?
JZ: You can never predict what's going to happen as we go through the season. And the coaching staff / management identify that Idaho would be a useful tool for one of our players in terms of development. Well certainly we wouldn't hesitate since we have a close relationship here in running basketball operations. Again, it's very nice to have another tool in the tool box, so to speak; to have a D-League organization to be able to rely on and really mold basketball-wise some of the things you want to accomplish with young guys.[/QUOTE]
No reason for them to have so many young guys and an extra roster space and not use it. The Spurs have guys going back and forth all year.
[QUOTE]MS: Final question for you Justin is when you were working with Dean Cooper and his staff and the front office of the Jazz during the NBA Developmental league draft what were you looking for when you were putting together this roster for Idaho? What were the parts you were looking to get?
JZ: So Dean and his staff here have done an outstanding job of research and film and they spent countless hours on the draft. And what we wanted to do was put a group together that I) we could find guys that we feel have NBA potential, can fit particular systems or needs in Utah in the future, but also at the main core that we have good, young, hard working guys that we can implement a system and then have them play together and see what we have.
MS: Alright, well, so far the EXPERIMENT [Ed. emphasis not added] and the relationship is off to a good start. The win last night wasn't there [Ed. Perd Hapley much?]. But see how things go, and I know we'll be seeing a lot more of you in Boise.
JZ: You will, thanks Mark.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]By the way, keep an eye on Jam forward Elijah Millsap. Through the first two games of the D-League season, the 6-6 forward is putting up 21.5 points, 10.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists and 2.5 steals per contest. Because Millsap is not under contract with the Suns, he could be called up by any NBA team. The Jam do, however, run a Phoenix-specific offense because they are the Suns' single-team affiliate. It's never a bad thing to know another young talent can put up major numbers in Phoenix's system. NBA.com [/QUOTE]
I wouldn't mind giving him a look. Might help bring Paul back next year too!