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[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Why would Isaac newton's opinion on religion matter? Or Einstein? They could be physics geniuses but they're entitled to their own view on ontology. And others might not agree.[/QUOTE]
"People who quote Einstein, think they are special snowflakes." Albert Einstein
[QUOTE=StephHamann]"People who quote Einstein, think they are special snowflakes." Albert Einstein[/QUOTE]
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=StephHamann]"People who quote Einstein, think they are special snowflakes." Albert Einstein[/QUOTE]
He's surely the person with the most falsely-attributed quotes ever.
You either have to believe the universe in its simplist form always existed, and eventually developed into what it is today after an unfathomable amount of time passed. Or that an all powerful, knowing god just always existed.
The former sounds more likely.
From where I sit...
God is like Santa Claus. That's not really a bad thing.
It serves two purposes:
A) It teaches morals. It makes bad kids be good. 'If you aren't good, you get a lump of coal for Christmas' = 'If you aren't good, you are going to Hell'. It teaches people how to behave, how to help one another. Basically Jesus in the Bible is everything that every being on Earth should strive to be like: caring, loving, helping, forgiving. We all know if Jesus was real today, he'd be taken advantage of 100 times over and probably die alone, homeless in the gutter. Someone like him would be swindled out of all his money. He'd probably be made fun of, maybe even called a demon spawn by some. Turn the other cheek? He'd have the life beaten out of him after he got robbed and carjacked.
B) It gives people hope. Your life sucks? Oh well, you've got heaven. Lost your job, and house, and car, and wife? It's cool, when you go to heaven, none of that will matter? You're fat and ugly? No worries, everyone looks the same in heaven. It's a morale booster. Not to say that everyone who believes in God is poor and needs hope, but it gives people an 'end goal' to strive for, making them be better people.
I don't buy into it. You are what you are. You have one life, and when this life ends, your game is over. Over. One day, you and I and everyone we will ever know will be dead, and that's okay because that's how life works, and the world will go on.
It's just accepting that fact, for many, is difficult.
[QUOTE=Lebowsky]He's surely the person with the most falsely-attributed quotes ever.[/QUOTE]
That is probably true, but he was definitely a very spiritual theist.
[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Max Planck preceded quantum mechanics and wouldn't have had a clue what he's talking about when it comes to subatomic particles. Planck was clueless about wave particle duality and the quantization of electromagnetic waves' energy levels.
He was.a genius at his time and his constant is immensely important in the world of physics but this is a terrible quote to present. [B]Max planck couldn't teach Niels Bhor, W. Heisenberg, Max Born or Albert Einstein the first thing about quarks, leptons, bosons or quantum mechanics[/B].[/QUOTE]
The bolded is simply not relevant to anything I quoted--an updated categorisation of particles has nothing to do with the quote, and it is very strange for you to think that it does. Why are you talking about quarks? These were not even theorised until the 1960s, when all those men you mentioned were already dead (or close to it). Max Planck was the father of quantum theory--and Planck's constant is central to the quantum mechanics you seem to think had nothing to do with him; Einstein's photoelectric effect couldn't exist without Planck, nor would Bohr's structure of the atom, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle--Planck is the father that ties all these great innovators together, so it is downright idiotic to dismiss what he has to say because other people have developed his ideas further (that is science, durr).
The man is absolutely seminal in the areas you say he is "clueless" about. I can only assume that you don't know what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Why would Isaac newton's opinion on religion matter? Or Einstein? They could be physics geniuses but they're entitled to their own view on ontology. And others might not agree.[/QUOTE]
You have a rather narrow interpretation of what physics is. Why wouldn't we want the religious opinions of people who have delved deeper into the conundrum of existence and the examination of reality, and how it can be understood, than almost anyone else?
They are almost the most qualified people there could possible be: they spend their entire lives studying the essence of reality, searching for patterns, and that makes them worth listening to. It doesn't make them infallible, but then no-one said they were.
[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Why would Isaac newton's opinion on religion matter? Or Einstein? They could be physics geniuses but they're entitled to their own view on ontology. And others might not agree.[/QUOTE]
The most innovative thinkers throughout history all believed in God. Hold this L atheist, atleast you got Bill Maher though XD
[i]On average, people who do not believe in God have a smaller p[COLOR="Black"]e[/COLOR]nis than people who do [/i]
[QUOTE=Dresta]
Morality (i.e. [I]what[/I] we consider good and bad) is a product of culture and thus fundamentally, of religion; our moral-sense (i.e. [I]that[/I] we intrinsically discriminate between good and bad) is innate, a part of being a member of the human species. .[/QUOTE]
Religious morality differs between good and evil, not good and bad. You are totally wrong on this.
[QUOTE=~primetime~]yes
everyone is on the spectrum...those who couldn't care less or give it no thought at all would be agnostic[/QUOTE]
100% of people are agnostic.
[QUOTE=K Xerxes]Sex is an example. Other examples include what we eat or drink and what clothes we wear.[/QUOTE]
That only applies to Jews.
[QUOTE=StephHamann]"People who quote Einstein, think they are special snowflakes." Albert Einstein[/QUOTE]
"People who believe they know better than Einstein, Newton, Darwin and Marcus Aurelius are morons."
-Steven Hawking
[QUOTE=StephHamann]Religious morality differs between good and evil, not good and bad. You are totally wrong on this.[/QUOTE]
Bad and evil are almost synonymous in the way I was using them (though bad can also mean other things--it is a broadly defined word): you are being pedantic. I simply used the word "bad" because the word "evil" has religious connotations in the minds of most, and is used differently to how it was a hundred years ago (more scarcely). Evil is generally a refined or extreme form of badness--you speak as if I used an entirely different concept (this might be a language problem, I dunno).
I've read everything Nietzsche ever published btw, most of it more than once, and his argument does not contradict the point I was making in the slightest (it is in fact, one of his major theses). That part you quoted is Nietzsche's argument about established morality in a nutshell.
[QUOTE=~primetime~]I don't think a higher power has to be some perfect all knowing force that treats everyone as equal and fairly.
If we humans created self aware AI within a virtual 3D world, then that AI would think of us as "God". We are not perfect, and we wouldn't care to treat our AI creation fairly.
Our God(s) may be no different...maybe they created this 3D reality and separated the galaxies to study us in different environments. They may not care to treat us as equals and they may be flawed greatly .[/QUOTE]
I think the answer to God, the Universe, our purpose, etc. lies in your response.
If we humans can create life, whether real life or artificial life, then it's not too far-fetched of an idea that we were created as well.
Look at evolution. Every species on the planet is pre-programmed to constantly adapt and improve upon itself.
[QUOTE=UK2K]From where I sit...
God is like Santa Claus. That's not really a bad thing.
It serves two purposes:
A) It teaches morals. It makes bad kids be good. 'If you aren't good, you get a lump of coal for Christmas' = 'If you aren't good, you are going to Hell'. It teaches people how to behave, how to help one another. Basically Jesus in the Bible is everything that every being on Earth should strive to be like: caring, loving, helping, forgiving. We all know if Jesus was real today, he'd be taken advantage of 100 times over and probably die alone, homeless in the gutter. Someone like him would be swindled out of all his money. He'd probably be made fun of, maybe even called a demon spawn by some. Turn the other cheek? He'd have the life beaten out of him after he got robbed and carjacked.
B) It gives people hope. Your life sucks? Oh well, you've got heaven. Lost your job, and house, and car, and wife? It's cool, when you go to heaven, none of that will matter? You're fat and ugly? No worries, everyone looks the same in heaven. It's a morale booster. Not to say that everyone who believes in God is poor and needs hope, but it gives people an 'end goal' to strive for, making them be better people.
I don't buy into it. You are what you are. You have one life, and when this life ends, your game is over. Over. One day, you and I and everyone we will ever know will be dead, and that's okay because that's how life works, and the world will go on.
It's just accepting that fact, for many, is difficult.[/QUOTE]
:wtf: :roll:
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Look at evolution. Every species on the planet is pre-programmed to constantly adapt and improve upon itself.[/QUOTE]
that's not how evolution and natural selection work.
[QUOTE=gigantes]that's not how evolution and natural selection work.[/QUOTE]
Essentially it is exactly how evolution and natural selection work. Use your brain and think about what I said. :cheers:
[QUOTE=Dresta] (this might be a language problem, I dunno).
I've read everything Nietzsche ever published btw, most of it more than once, and his argument does not contradict the point I was making in the slightest (it is in fact, one of his major theses). That part you quoted is Nietzsche's argument about established morality in a nutshell.[/QUOTE]
Established morality right, which was perverted by religion, so that sheep mentality among other "virtues" was somehow good in a religious sense.
Our western morality is way older than christianity.
But you are right it could be a language problem, i never read Nietzsche in english.
Hardcore atheists are complete morons btw.
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Essentially it is exactly how evolution and natural selection work. Use your brain and think about what I said. :cheers:[/QUOTE]
haha brains... DELICIOUS BRAINS!
where are the hell are they, anyway...?
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Christianity and Islam are by definition corrupted offshoots of Judaism. Recorded histories of all three religions support my claim.
Judaism, no branch of it, believes in an inescapable eternal hell.
The closest thing to a Jewish version of hell as you call it is Gehinnom. According to Jewish belief, parts of souls that sin go there to purify, but they do not remain there eternally. After burning for a year maximum, that section of the soul goes up to God to rest eternally in peace. Have you never heard of Yom Kippur? What do you think it's about?
It is typical that a follower of a [B]corrupt offshoot of Judaism [/B]fails to properly understand the [B]true and original [/B]concept of hell. It is typical of these offshoot sects that their followers fail to have any nuance or subtlety in their understanding of Gehinnom.[/QUOTE]
History?
True and original concept?
Please don't inject guesses on extremely serious matters.
God sent down Jesus (PBUH) and Muhammad (PBUH) to correct, refresh the ways of the corrupt Children of Israel. Islam, that is submission to the will of Allah, began at the time of Adam and Eve.
The Dharmic religions also have an inferno in the afterlife for the wicked.
[B]Surah 2:90 l: And they say, "Never will the Fire touch us, except for a few days." Say, "Have you taken a covenant with Allah ? For Allah will never break His covenant. Or do you say about Allah that which you do not know?[/B]
[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]History?
True and original concept?
Please don't inject guesses on extremely serious matters.
[B]
God sent down Jesus (PBUH) and Muhammad (PBUH) to correct, refresh the ways of the corrupt Children of Israel.[/B] Islam, that is submission to the will of Allah, began at the time of Adam and Eve.
The Dharmic religions also have an inferno in the afterlife for the wicked.
Surah 2:90 l: And they say, "Never will the Fire touch us, except for a few days." Say, "Have you taken a covenant with Allah ? For Allah will never break His covenant. Or do you say about Allah that which you do not know?[/QUOTE]
So said the mortal men who wrote the new testament and koran.
[I]offshoot sects of judaism.[/I]
[QUOTE=UK2K]From where I sit...
God is like Santa Claus. That's not really a bad thing.
It serves two purposes:
A) It teaches morals. It makes bad kids be good. 'If you aren't good, you get a lump of coal for Christmas' = 'If you aren't good, you are going to Hell'. It teaches people how to behave, how to help one another. Basically Jesus in the Bible is everything that every being on Earth should strive to be like: caring, loving, helping, forgiving. We all know if Jesus was real today, he'd be taken advantage of 100 times over and probably die alone, homeless in the gutter. Someone like him would be swindled out of all his money. He'd probably be made fun of, maybe even called a demon spawn by some. Turn the other cheek? He'd have the life beaten out of him after he got robbed and carjacked.
B) It gives people hope. Your life sucks? Oh well, you've got heaven. Lost your job, and house, and car, and wife? It's cool, when you go to heaven, none of that will matter? You're fat and ugly? No worries, everyone looks the same in heaven. It's a morale booster. Not to say that everyone who believes in God is poor and needs hope, but it gives people an 'end goal' to strive for, making them be better people.
I don't buy into it. You are what you are. You have one life, and when this life ends, your game is over. Over. One day, you and I and everyone we will ever know will be dead, and that's okay because that's how life works, and the world will go on.
It's just accepting that fact, for many, is difficult.[/QUOTE]
And that is your Fundy Atheist minute.
[i]It's over! Atheists lose![/i]
[QUOTE=JBSptfn]And that is your Fundy Atheist minute.[/QUOTE]
Without the light of faith, things seem that way. And without protection against Satan, people tend to reverse cause and effects. Like religion was concocted, and that lack of belief is natural.
The truth is religion, and God's relationship with Adam, has been there since the very dawn of mankind.
It's only when people actively moved to cities, rebelled against God and engaged in self-worship, let the ego overflow, allowed artificial social conditioning to perturb their natural development, and soaked their brain into conjectural information (i.e. people in those nature documentaries don't actually know what's going on---they put their take on it) that took them away from observing nature and remembering God and where the epidemic of hopeless, dark atheistic though and denial of the afterlife multiplied (it was also always here since the beginning). Again, this was foreseen in all the Scriptures. And unfortunately, it is the predominant way of thinking in much of the World.
A natural understanding of One God, worship, understanding of the life to come, the spiritual unseen worlds, hope; they've all been understood by our ancestors dating several millenia back. It doesn't serve to teach morals or hope. Rather, the right way to conduct things in this world was ALREADY there, the best of human beings were already there, being rewarded for solid morals was already there; it was man to discover, learn, and apply them. Santa Claus and Christianity is only a tidbit reinforcing system of that; yet the Devils tricked you into swapping the orders of things.
Heaven isn't earned for free either, UK2K. That fat and ugly person you talk about has to actually earn it by undergoing trials and tribulations through the face of tremendous adversary. And no, nobody looks the same in Heaven. Your form in the Afterlife is based upon the conduct of your deeds as well.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EopyLLiNMGo[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGOIpzDF8iE[/url]
If you don't believe in the Afterlife, you are implicitly stating that every single Prophet, Saint, Scholar, Theologian was a liar. They were the most honest and sincere of people. Now you may not directly think this; but[U][B] there must be an Absolute Truth. [/B][/U]. It's either they are right or you are wrong. Or they are partaking in things that are elevating their spirit in which they see things the way they do.
You speak of Jesus being taken advantage of. Yet, people who are a fraction, a minute fraction of as good as him are being honored everyday. Nelson Mandela, Malala Yousafzai etc. You're an incredibly nice guy, UK2K, and let me put it his way; when even a cruel human being takes advantage of another; it PAINS that cruel human being's heart big time. There's only so much pain a human being is willing to dish out at another human being till they SNAP and come to their senses from the inner conscience already created within their very nature. Jesus, a self-sufficient skilled carpenter who can fast and heal people is not going to go homeless. He would get made fun of, that's for sure; but people who mock others are usually not exactly the role models of society.
[B]By the way I still owe you a rundown of your second post in this thread. Going to get back to that after a few days.[/B]
It makes sense if you put it like this.
Every single year, people witness cold, dead winters rejuvenated into fresh, blossoming springs. From here you understand the ease at which living things are [B]Resurrected[/B]
Every single year, you see an order and balance among the world and universe at large. If all the bees were taken ou, th And you know a lot of good people die at the hands of evil. And in the faith of Islam, there is a Day of Recompense.
We were put on this first World, this World of the Test, to reap fruit for the more Eternal World.
Each person here, through accounting for their bills; realizes that a) they've been given the intelligence to reckon b) they've been given sight to see c) they've learned soundness of judgment on making financial decisions
The Creator must have had knowledge of man's faculties, and had Infinite ability o[B]f Reckoning, of Seeing, of Judging
[/B]
Look at the animal kingdom out there, dude. Look at the trees. The oceans. The quarks. Think of the complete and total genius it takes for all these things to exist. Now, is it really impossible for the [B]Intelligence[/B] behind that to recreate a human being?
Everybody here has taken tests and had received report cards; this is a small sign of what's to come after death.
Every single samurai, janissary, Spartan, soldier; in order to fulfill his mission had to believe in something really, really, really Great; and to fight to his very full capacity had to possess both strength, discipline, and intense fear. Yes. Fear. Fear that they'd displease God if they don't give it their all. Look up what George Patton had to say about how he mustered up the courage to charge. To quote, "He saw his ancestors waiting from the other side of Heaven beckoning him forth," [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J977bboa8hg[/url]
Moreover, accepting the fact that it may be difficult. Dude, the Prophet of Islam (PBUH) lost his mom early, lost 3 of his sons, his uncle, his grandpap, his wife and had to do his mission solo against people who would physically assault him. Living in a scorching desert with limited water Like, come on now really, if man can psychologically handle that, he can easily handle non-existence after decrepit old age. This atheistic sentiment is just flat out foolish.
[B]Anywho, there is an aching desire in the spirit of EVERY single human being to want to live forever, and you DO NOT see old people panic when they die. Why is that so?
[/B]
Jefferson Money, very well said. :applause:
[QUOTE=warriorfan][i]It's over! Atheists lose![/i][/QUOTE]
Let's be real. Atheists lost this battle before it even began.:lol
[B]There is a reason the atheists of ISH are constantly writing threads about how miserable and depressed they are in real life, and about how empty they feel.[/B]
Their entire lives are one big constant L.
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[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]And without protection against Satan, people tend to reverse cause and effects. [/QUOTE]
Seek help before its too late :roll:
[QUOTE=Nick Young]So said the mortal men who wrote the new testament and koran.
[I]offshoot sects of judaism.[/I][/QUOTE]
The problem with saying that is that an even less intelligent mortal men wrote the old testament. That's why it's poorly written and lacks an iota of logic .
[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]The problem with saying that is that an even less intelligent mortal men wrote the old testament. That's why it's poorly written and [B]lacks an iota of logic[/B] .[/QUOTE]
That's exactly the point of the Old Testament.
Also, what you read are bad English translations, translated from ancient Aramaic. Unless you have read the books in their original form, you have no way to judge whether it is well written or not.
God does not operate in a realm of logic that we are capable of understanding. That's pretty much the entire point of religion. We can never understand God. All we can do is marvel before him.
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[QUOTE=Nick Young]That's exactly the point of the Old Testament.
Also, what you read are bad English translations, translated from ancient Aramaic. Unless you have read the books in their original form, you have no way to judge whether it is well written or not.
God does not operate in a realm of logic that we are capable of understanding. That's pretty much the entire point of religion. We can never understand God. All we can do is marvel before him.
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They are also judging the OT by today's standards. I have seen atheists do this on several sites.
And, they take everything in the OT literally wooden, and seem to think that the law (beside the 10 Commandments) is in affect today (Christ fulfilled those laws).
There is this one atheist, Marshall Brain (of Why Won't God Heal Amputees fame) that said that God wants to kill people who work on Sunday :roll: .
[QUOTE=Nick Young]That's exactly the point of the Old Testament.
Also, what you read are bad English translations, [B]translated from ancient Aramaic.[/B] Unless you have read the books in their original form, you have no way to judge whether it is well written or not.
God does not operate in a realm of logic that we are capable of understanding. That's pretty much the entire point of religion. We can never understand God. All we can do is marvel before him.
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The Old Testament was not written in Aramaic. And there are no English translations from Aramaic. All English translations of the bible are translated from the original greek for the New Testament and the Septuagint (Greek translation of the original Hebrew) for the Old Testament or from the original Latin translations of the same sources.
[QUOTE=Nick Young]That's exactly the point of the Old Testament.
Also, what you read are bad English translations, translated from ancient Aramaic. Unless you have read the books in their original form, you have no way to judge whether it is well written or not.
God does not operate in a realm of logic that we are capable of understanding. That's pretty much the entire point of religion. We can never understand God. All we can do is marvel before him.
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Except that God did not write the old testament.
The old testament is a wretched piece of work that my 17 year old nephew could have done a better job writing.
[QUOTE=NumberSix]The Old Testament was not written in Aramaic. And there are no English translations from Aramaic. All English translations of the bible are translated from the original greek for the New Testament and the Septuagint (Greek translation of the original Hebrew) for the Old Testament or from the original Latin translations of the same sources.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the correction breh but yalls know what I meant.
Feeny
The OT is the most influential work of literature in western civilization. The wisdom inside it has stood the test of time and the stories and characters have inspired the greatest works of art ever made.
Hold this L
[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]Except that God did not write the old testament.
The old testament is a wretched piece of work that my 17 year old nephew could have done a better job writing.[/QUOTE]
No, it's one of the finest compendiums of literature and poetry ever written. Next you'll be telling us that the Odyssey and Dante's Divine Comedy were hack jobs. But hey, don't take my word for it: this is the consensus opinion of the world's most distinguished authors:
[QUOTE]The editors of the Norwegian Book Clubs, with the Norwegian Nobel Institute, polled a panel of 100 authors from 54 countries on what they considered the “best and most central works in world literature.” Among the authors polled were Milan Kundera, Doris Lessing, Seamus Heaney, Salman Rushdie, Wole Soyinka, John Irving, Nadine Gordimer, and Carlos Fuentes.
--Anon, The Book of Job
[url]http://www.infoplease.com/ipea/A0934958.html[/url][/QUOTE]
But what do they know, amirite?
And the King James Bible is only the foundation of the English language that you try to speak, and surely full of phrases and sayings you often repeat without even knowing their origin. Even though you have nothing but disdain for the Bible, the truth is that your consciousness has been to some extent moulded by it:
[url]http://unlockingthebible.org/common-english-sayings-bible/[/url]
That makes you a living, walking, and breathing contradiction.
[QUOTE=Mr Feeny]The problem with saying that is that an even less intelligent mortal men wrote the old testament. That's why it's poorly written and lacks an iota of logic .[/QUOTE]
You do know that the language of the King James Bible was composed by a committee of the finest scholars in the country? In what world are people like this unintelligent?:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Savile_(Bible_translator[/url])
[QUOTE]He was educated at Brasenose College, Oxford, where he matriculated in 1561. He became a fellow of Merton in 1565.[4] He established a reputation as a Greek scholar and mathematician by voluntary lectures on the Almagest, and in 1575 became junior proctor. In 1578 he travelled on the continent of Europe, where he collected manuscripts and is said to have been employed by Queen Elizabeth as her resident in the Low Countries. On his return he was named greek tutor to the Queen.[/QUOTE]
Attended Oxford at the age of 12, became a fellow of one of the most important Oxford colleges at 16, elite scholar of Greek and Mathematics, tutor to the Queen at 30.
[QUOTE]n 1585 he was established as Warden of Merton by a vigorous exercise of the interest of Burghley and Secretary Walsingham. He proved a successful and autocratic head of house, generally unpopular with fellows and undergraduates, but under him the college flourished. His translation of four books of the Histories of Tacitus, with the learned Commentary on Roman Warfare (1591), enhanced his reputation.[6]
On 30 September 1604 Savile was knighted, and in that year he was named one of the body of scholars appointed to prepare the authorized version of the Bible. He was entrusted with parts of the gospels, the Acts of the Apostles and the Book of Revelation.
In 1619 he founded and endowed a chair in astronomy and a chair in geometry at Oxford, both bearing his name.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, what an intellectual bum.
But i'm sure you, Mr. Feeny, you're so much more intelligent than these great pioneers.
:hammerhead:
[QUOTE=fiddy]Seek help before its too late :roll:[/QUOTE]
Firstly, it is the HEIGHT of intellectual arrogance to think that a kid who hasn't hit 30 knows the truth of man's existence whereas all the faithful people of the past haven't. Thinking religion came as a bandage to solve man's fear of death is [B]switching out the order[/B] and is essentially the individual atheist's worldview. Who the hell am I to think the hundreds and millions of minds who have not been bombarded by, to quote Dresta, "the western Dogmas," that existed prior and concurrent were wrong about Adam and Eve, the Kingdom of Heaven; whereas I, having had only access to a slightly stronger knowledge of the details of science and technology in the 21st century (coupled with a weaker memory, less good deeds, and arguably duller intellect, less sound judgment and lower consciousness) would know the truth and they did not.
By the way, I'm not the one calling religious people "cowards and idiots" and calling for the nuking of the Middle East. Nor do I hate Atheists or think them bad people. Nor am I spending hundreds on bodybuilding supplements. Nor doing whatever you're doing that I'm not going to disclose in respects to your human dignity.
Like it or not, your thoughts are extremely dark and destructive. The same applies to a sizable portion of ISH. Now we both know you're not inherently evil. You've shown signs of compassion for fallen Russian men, and love for animals and a sense of equality etc. There's got to be some dark force compelling you to think the way you do.
Check out someone like mlh1981. Nothing but positivity, hope, love. And he's going through some DIFFICULT times. There's got to be a reason for that.
Here's what man is to guard himself against:
Satan
[B]
Deceives
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Preys on the isolated and weak
Promotes arrogance
Promotes discord and mischief
Makes his chief aim misguidance and rebellion from Allah
Makes it sound alright to engage in things
Encourages humans to blame others for their faults instead of themselves
Places excessive guilt (despair and hopelessness) upon people who want to reform
keeps people thinking they are evil and worthless
Encourages people to be forgetful
Encourages people to mock one another
Oppression
Greed
Anger
Jealousy
Vengeance
Has man clinging with infatuation onto things that will eventually pass
Keeps people away from expressing gratitude or remorse towards Allah
Tempts people into indulging in pleasures ultimately harmful
Creates Separation between brothers
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If at any point of your day, you experience so much as a single thought from the aforementioned tricks (and we all do), then you know the Devil has somewhat of an effect on you.
Conversely, forgiveness, love, patience, sincerity, unity, faith, gratitude, service, purity, love,preferring others to one self are the Angelic Characteristics.
Oh, and the [U][B]greatest trick the Devil pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.[/B][/U]
But the fact that he was created is [B][U]Good.[/U][/B] He plays a crucial role into strengthening men spiritually. How can someone's muscles grow bigger without resistance training? How can someone refine spiritually without Satan's whisperings?
[QUOTE]Ephesians 6:11
Put on the [B]full armor of Allah[/B], so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who [B]deceives the whole world[/B]; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Matthew 13:19
"When anyone hears the w[B]ord of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart.[/B] This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road.
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How much have you understood from the Holy Books, fiddy? I'm barely scratching a fraction of a fraction of a percent of it, yet it's changed me so, so much.
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Daniel 8:25
Verse Concepts
"And through his shrewdness He will cause d[B]eceit to succeed by his influence[/B]; And he will magnify himself in his heart, And [B]he will destroy many while they are at ease.[/B] He will even oppose the Prince of princes, But he will be broken without human agency.
2 Timothy 3:13
Verse Concepts
But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.[/QUOTE]
It's the rich and comfortable who are in largest danger of spiritual destruction.
[QUOTE]2 Peter 2:1-3
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly i[B]ntroduce destructive heresies[/B], even denying the Master who bought them, [B]bringing swift destruction upon themselves.[/B] Many will follow their [B]sensuality,[/B] and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; and in their [B]greed they will exploit you with false words[/B]; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.[/QUOTE]
Scantily clad ladies, glorification of alcohol, Huxley's Brave New World, atheistic thought like Communism, Nihilism, Godless ethical philosophies like Rand's ethical egoism, delicious food, broken promises, Darwinistic man vs man, insincere flattery etc.
[QUOTE=Dresta]You do know that the language of the King James Bible was composed by a committee of the finest scholars in the country? In what world are people like this unintelligent?:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Savile_(Bible_translator[/url])
Attended Oxford at the age of 12, became a fellow of one of the most important Oxford colleges at 16, elite scholar of Greek and Mathematics, tutor to the Queen at 30.
Indeed, what an intellectual bum.
But i'm sure you, Mr. Feeny, you're so much more intelligent than these great pioneers.
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You sound REALLY wound up:oldlol:
I'll retain my own opinion. I've read it front to back and I'll repeat that I think it's awful. If you don't, you're welcome to have the majority view. But it's only that - a viewpoint.
I think it's one of the biggest piles of gibberish I've ever read but that's only me.
Jefferson Money is the 3ball of radical Islam, fascinating.