How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

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Why does Lebron keep losing to these short guys? Terry, Barrea, Kid, Parker, Ginobili, Curry, Jameer Nelson? lol Jordan would've called them midgets and terrorized them. He ended Mugsy Booges career. He guarded B.J. Armstrong and made him quit. lmao[/QUOTE]

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The Magic should have lost in the 2nd round. They went on a hot streak from 3 and ended up winning two series they shouldn't have. After that run, everyone on that roster proceeded to get overrated and overpaid. The 3pt era was just starting and people had trouble grasping how volatile the game can get when you take that many 3ptrs.

[QUOTE=FKAri;14311519]The Magic should have lost in the 2nd round. They went on a hot streak from 3 and ended up winning two series they shouldn't have. After that run, everyone on that roster proceeded to get overrated and overpaid. The 3pt era was just starting and people had trouble grasping how volatile the game can get when you take that many 3ptrs.[/QUOTE]

Agreed! Imagine that.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14311219]MJ legit lost to #1 option Terry Cummings.[/QUOTE]

Is there no one else?

[QUOTE=Shooter;14311604]Is there no one else?[/QUOTE]

He lost with HCA or in the Olympics like Lebron?

Answer it

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Why does Lebron keep losing to these short guys? Terry, Barrea, Kid, Parker, Ginobili, Curry, Jameer Nelson? lol Jordan would've called them midgets and terrorized them. He ended Mugsy Booges career. He guarded B.J. Armstrong and made him quit. lmao[/QUOTE]

Suggesting MJ got guarded by Malone, when he got defended by 6'2 Starks, and 6'1 Payton... Weird.

[Insert comeback picture with Bates guarding LeBron]

1985
Terry Cummings

Next :lol

[QUOTE=Shooter;14312201]1985
Terry Cummings

Next :lol[/QUOTE]

Carlos Arroyo next
:lol

Rafer Alston next
:lol

JJ Barea next
:lol

Victor from Greece next
:lol

[QUOTE=Duncan21formvp;13543188]How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

The guy hadn't beaten anyone in a series of notable value. He also played with Kobe and Harden and never won anything. How could you lose to him when he is the main star?[/QUOTE]

When Mo Williams and Delonte West are your 2nd and 3rd options.

The Magic let LeBron do whatever he wanted on offense because they knew he wasn't dangerous enough as a scorer to truly make them pay, they actually tried to guard Kobe in the finals

The issue stems back from LeBron's own flawed skillset, they built a team loaded with great shooters and perimeter/post defenders to surround him with and it was an easy way to win games and inflate LeBron's numbers (compared to the rest of the league who wasn't dealing with the spacing LeBron had on that roster) but against a well-rounded team it can fail. Pretty similar to the recent Bucks teams who basically have ran the same blueprint (but Bron's team had better shooters and rim protectors at least 09 did)

He got his inflated low value numbers so his dumb stans (who are dumb enough to truly believe he was carrying a bad supporting cast :lol) were still happy but it came at the cost of a finals trip, they would have gotten smacked by the Lakers anyway

[QUOTE=light;14324815]When Mo Williams and Delonte West are your 2nd and 3rd options.[/QUOTE]

He had Shaq, Ben Wallace, Antawn Jamison.

Shaq outplayed him in game 5 vs Boston when series was 2-2 and had HCA.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14324842]He had Shaq, Ben Wallace, Antawn Jamison.

Shaq outplayed him in game 5 vs Boston when series was 2-2 and had HCA.[/QUOTE]
Shaq was 3rd team all-nba in 2009 coming off 18/8 on league leading 61% in just 30 minutes per game, also won co-AS MVP that season, the main reason his numbers regressed so much in Cleveland is because 1) unlike Nash (who is overrated but that's a topic for another day) LeBron DOES NOT actually make his teammates better, 2) he did get older so a decline was inevitable but it was still drastic decline for a team that supposedly had little else besides LeBron.... oh wait, they not only had him share minutes with Big Z but they did also have guys that averaged 18-20 ppg on other teams that had to sacrifice their numbers to accommodate Bron ball, Shaq and Jamison both + Mo was a 17 ppg guy elsewhere

Let his dumb fanbase convince you otherwise that he had no help in the late 00s, he had enough help to make the finals in 07 and 09/10, he also had enough help to make the playoffs in 2005 but it turns out he needs Larry Hughes (an arguable AS snub in 05) to even make the playoffs despite already having an AS in Z at the time. Pathetic

[QUOTE=Mr.GOAT2408;14324854]Shaq was 3rd team all-nba in 2009 coming off 18/8 on league leading 61% in just 30 minutes per game, also won co-AS MVP that season, the main reason his numbers regressed so much in Cleveland is because 1) unlike Nash (who is overrated but that's a topic for another day) LeBron DOES NOT actually make his teammates better, 2) he did get older so a decline was inevitable but it was still drastic decline for a team that supposedly had little else besides LeBron.... oh wait, they not only had him share minutes with Big Z but they did also have guys that averaged 18-20 ppg on other teams that had to sacrifice their numbers to accommodate Bron ball, Shaq and Jamison both + Mo was a 17 ppg guy elsewhere

Let his dumb fanbase convince you otherwise that he had no help in the late 00s, he had enough help to make the finals in 07 and 09/10, he also had enough help to make the playoffs in 2005 but it turns out he needs Larry Hughes (an arguable AS snub in 05) to even make the playoffs despite already having an AS in Z at the time. Pathetic[/QUOTE]

Agreed!

[QUOTE=Mr.GOAT2408;14324854]Shaq was 3rd team all-nba in 2009 coming off 18/8 on league leading 61% in just 30 minutes per game, also won co-AS MVP that season, the main reason his numbers regressed so much in Cleveland is because 1) unlike Nash (who is overrated but that's a topic for another day) LeBron DOES NOT actually make his teammates better, 2) he did get older so a decline was inevitable but it was still drastic decline for a team that supposedly had little else besides LeBron.... oh wait, they not only had him share minutes with Big Z but they did also have guys that averaged 18-20 ppg on other teams that had to sacrifice their numbers to accommodate Bron ball, Shaq and Jamison both + Mo was a 17 ppg guy elsewhere

Let his dumb fanbase convince you otherwise that he had no help in the late 00s, he had enough help to make the finals in 07 and 09/10, he also had enough help to make the playoffs in 2005 but it turns out he needs Larry Hughes (an arguable AS snub in 05) to even make the playoffs despite already having an AS in Z at the time. Pathetic[/QUOTE]

:applause: damn that was good!

imagine thinking lebron was the legit MVP in 2009 after losing to fright coward with home court then kobe beating him in 5 games

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14309451]Mike never lost with HCA. Lebron lost to Rafer Alston and Jason Terry with HCA. :roll::roll:
And lost to Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics.:roll::roll:[/QUOTE]

Shit. I though it was just jason terry and jj barea. There is rafer "skip to my lou" alston. Lol!

the 09' Magic were one of the biggest underdogs to ever win a playoff series when they upset the 1-seeded Cavs, and those Magic were a 1-star team that was missing their all-star PG, Jameer Nelson (Dwight carried the AND1 point guard to the Finals, aka Skip to My Lou).. This is significant because Dwight, Kidd and Iverson won the conference with 1-star teams, yet Lebron formed a super-team to ensure Finals runs after his favored 1 seeds couldn't make it in 09' or 10' - that's the definition of manufacturing a resume. So Lebron is a fraud that only learned to team-hop - he never learned to WIN (organic), which requires superior skill of adjusting one's game to teammates and developing championship strategy/brand of ball over many years.. If a guy like Giannis learns to win this year (organic), then he will already be superior to Lebron or KD, who only learned to team-hop.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14165630]Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away
2012 - prime colluded ring
2012 - lockout ring
2013 - prime colluded ring
2013 - bail out by ray allen
2014 - choked the finals away to an air conditioner
2014 - Quit
2015 - choked the finals away shooting 25% beyond 5 feet vs a role player
2016 - choked game 7 away in the last 5 minutes
2016 - bail out by kyrie irving
2016 - prime colluded ring
2017 - choked game 3 away and the series
2018 - choked game 1 of OT and game 3 away
2018 - Quit
2019 - No Playoffs with the winniest franchise all time.
2020 - Anthony Davis leads teams in Win Shares and Scoring.[/QUOTE]
He didn’t choke away game 1 of 2018 Finals. He quit. Also quit on his entire young core roster in 2019. AD saves them in 2020, and is their best player. He then quits again on his team while ahead in a playoff series in 2021. Quitting is a re-occurring theme with this loser.

I understand Dwight kinda turned himself into a meme, but damn he’s getting underrated these days. He never had the ‘best’ numbers but prime Dwight was a monster.

[QUOTE=Gudo;14391241]Shit. I though it was just jason terry and jj barea. There is rafer "skip to my lou" alston. Lol![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14402422]:roll:[/QUOTE]

Why are you bumping threads from your old alts that got banned Jordansbulls?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14402423]Why are you bumping threads from your old alts that got banned Jordansbulls?[/QUOTE]

Who is Jordansbulls? Why you keep bringing them up as well?

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14402424]Who is Jordansbulls? Why you keep bringing them up as well?[/QUOTE]

"HCA"

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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14402425]"HCA"

:roll:[/QUOTE]

Many people bring that up.[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8939726/coast-coast-comparing-lebron-james-michael-jordan[/url]

Comparing LeBron to Jordan

ADANTE:

Jordan's six-game stretch in 1990 when he went for 46 points a night on 60 percent shooting, with 10 rebounds and five and a half assists per game.

Jordan remains the standard, Bryant his surrogate to provide an approximation of how intense a competitor he was, in case anyone forgot.

What seems even sillier, in retrospect, was the doubt that once existed about whether Michael could win a championship. Most folks either don't know or have forgotten, but for the early part of his career the narrative was "Jordan is too much of a ball hog to win a championship." Before he did it in 1991, no one had won a scoring title and a championship in the same year since Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in 1971, so the prevailing wisdom was you couldn't do both. Michael did it six times. And he did it without an All-Star center, something else that wasn't common before he came along.

So Jordan not only changed the way we thought of him, but he changed what we considered to be the path to a championship. LeBron has the chance to do both, as well. He already has eradicated the notion that he can't win the big games. And maybe the new paradigm for a championship player will be a guy who can bring the ball upcourt, operate in the low post, score from any spot and defend multiple positions. (Yeah, good luck trying to find another one of those.)

The nagging question is why it took LeBron so long to embrace his responsibilities in crunch time.

Jordan appeared ready-made for it. He hit the NCAA championship game-winning shot as a freshman at North Carolina. In his second NBA year, he dragged that historically great 1985-86 Boston Celtics squad that won 37 more regular-season games than his Bulls into overtime by scoring 63 points in the Garden.

And what I consider a telltale stat: [b]He never lost a playoff series when he had home-court advantage. LeBron lost with home-court advantage three years in a row.[/b] LeBron also has a losing record in the NBA Finals that he needs to rectify.

[QUOTE=tpols;13543205]Kobe, Pau & the lakers made quick work of them. :confusedshrug:

Bran had a 66 win team and got his ass kicked.[/QUOTE]

LeBron also had a very weak frontcourt compared to the Lakers who had two seven footers making Howards life hell down low. They also had a lot more length and defensive versatility. Cleveland on the other hand had to resort to having West guard Hedo. That's a 7 inch height difference.

The Orlando Magic simply matched up a lot better against Cleveland. It had nothing to do with LeBron's performance in that series, which was total dominance btw.

[QUOTE=SaintzFury13;14402497]LeBron also had a very weak frontcourt compared to the Lakers who had two seven footers making Howards life hell down low. They also had a lot more length and defensive versatility. Cleveland on the other hand had to resort to having West guard Hedo. That's a 7 inch height difference.

The Orlando Magic simply matched up a lot better against Cleveland. It had nothing to do with LeBron's performance in that series, which was total dominance btw.[/QUOTE]

[video=youtube;xyA2b_krLdU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyA2b_krLdU[/video]

I was watching highlights of game 2, i see delonte sometimes guarding him but mostly 6'6 Pavlovic & Varejao.

Lebron was getting his but kicked by Rashard, even guarding Courtney Lee at times when his father in law was guarding Hedo. And again you see him going under the screen (not even a screen just followed the screener going for the rebound?) at the end of the third when Hedo's dribbling at the top leaving him wide open for a three.

[QUOTE=LAL;14402510][video=youtube;xyA2b_krLdU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyA2b_krLdU[/video]

I was watching highlights of game 2, i see delonte sometimes guarding him but mostly 6'6 Pavlovic & Varejao.

Lebron was getting his but kicked by Rashard, even guarding Courtney Lee at times when his father in law was guarding Hedo. And again you see him going under the screen (not even a screen just followed the screener going for the rebound?) at the end of the third when Hedo's dribbling at the top leaving him wide open for a three.[/QUOTE]

I suggest not watching highlights and instead watching the full games if available. LeBron did get routinely lit up Lewis in this game, but did a better job of staying up on him in later games. For the most part though, Rashards height proved to be too much.

[QUOTE=SaintzFury13;14402581]I suggest not watching highlights and instead watching the full games if available. LeBron did get routinely lit up Lewis in this game, but did a better job of staying up on him in later games. For the most part though, Rashards height proved to be too much.[/QUOTE]

Also by Rafer Alston as well.

39/8/8/1/1 on 49% wasn't enough

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14486310]39/8/8/1/1 on 49% wasn't enough[/QUOTE]

Also getting abused by Rafer Alston.

Now he has him on his squad. Couldn’t beat him so he joined him.

Must be afraid of Dwight still.

Mr. 1-5 can't defend the offensively challenged Dwight cuz he too strong even with PEDs.

[QUOTE=Baller789;14562036]Mr. 1-5 can't defend the offensively challenged Dwight cuz he too strong even with PEDs.[/QUOTE]

Yep!

With all Dwight's potential and what little he has accomplished, he's got to be the most worthless player in NBA history.

[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;14563119]With all Dwight's potential and what little he has accomplished, he's got to be the most worthless player in NBA history.[/QUOTE]

How so? He beat Lebron without HCA.

Prime Dwight has become so underrated it's actually crazy

[QUOTE=Taurus;14593716]Prime Dwight has become so underrated it's actually crazy[/QUOTE]

Yeah and beat Lebron without HCA.

How did this happen?

[QUOTE=Taurus;14593716]Prime Dwight has become so underrated it's actually crazy[/QUOTE]

Still amazed Dame made top 75 over him.