The traitor has to go

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Is it Mueller time yet?[/QUOTE]

Hey, quick question. Do you think Trump putting pressure on a foreign leader (as well as using his personal lawyer to do the same) to investigate a political rival and his family member is appropriate? Seems strange that if he were truly concerned about that corrupt, rotten, slimy trickster, Joe Biden, he wouldn't have asked the DOJ to look into his actions and go through official channels to conduct an investigation in concert with Ukraine. Even stranger that he waited until Joe Biden announced his run for President to contact Ukraine about opening an investigation. [COLOR="White"]Let's see if you can answer without a deflection or whataboutism.[/COLOR]

A couple years ago, Creepy Joe was bragging in public about how he used financial threats to get this Ukrainian prosecutor fired. Heres video proof - [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY[/url]

Anyway, it blows my mind that democrats are basically arguing that using your political influence to expose the corrupt acts of another politician is somehow worse than using your political influence to blackmail a foreign country into ignoring any crimes that may have committed by your corrupt family members.

It also blows my mind that democrats are unable to see the irony and hypocrisy in their melting down over Trump requesting that Ukraine investigate Hunter Biden... ffs the foundation of the entire Russiagate conspiracy was built on unprovable claims of Crowdstrike - a company founded and funded by anti-Russian Ukrainian Oligarchs.

[QUOTE=MaxFly]Hey, quick question. Do you think Trump putting pressure on a foreign leader (as well as using his personal lawyer to do the same) to investigate a political rival and his family member is appropriate? Seems strange that if he were truly concerned about that corrupt, rotten, slimy trickster, Joe Biden, he wouldn't have asked the DOJ to look into his actions and go through official channels to conduct an investigation in concert with Ukraine. Even stranger that he waited until Joe Biden announced his run for President to contact Ukraine about opening an investigation. [COLOR="White"]Let's see if you can answer without a deflection or whataboutism.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]


Let's see if you can read. It's all conjecture at this point. It may or may not add up to something but I wouldn't bet on it since everything the Dems in the House have tried have backfired on them.

[QUOTE=MaxFly]Hey, quick question. Do you think Trump putting pressure on a foreign leader (as well as using his personal lawyer to do the same) to investigate a political rival and his family member is appropriate?[/QUOTE]

maga is a strictly cash transaction for rufus, he doesn't actually believe any of that shit. the minute the markets tank again, [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471628"][B]he'll be calling for the 25th amendment again[/B][/URL]. :lol

[QUOTE]Even stranger that he waited until Joe Biden announced his run for President to contact Ukraine about opening an investigation. [/QUOTE]

stranger still, maga's internal polling showing sleepy joe taking the emperor's lunch money in battleground states [URL="https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trumps-internal-polling-data-march-showed-joe/story?id=63718268"][B]'leaked'[/B][/URL] over the summer.

recall that manafort was personally giving internal polling to russian intelligence agent kilimnik during the last campaign. presumably, the russians used that info to micro target key areas/demographics with the seth rich, pizzagate gaslighting.

only a handful of people would have the ability to 'leak' that info.

how long before the bots start telling michigan and wisconsin that sleepy joe is keeping child sex slaves in the basement of a long john silver's or that he had nipsey hussle assassinated?

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]maga is a strictly cash transaction for rufus, he doesn't actually believe any of that shit. the minute the markets tank again, [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471628"][B]he'll be calling for the 25th amendment again[/B][/URL]. :lol
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:oldlol:

It's all about me, this politics thing

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]:oldlol:

It's all about me, this politics thing[/QUOTE]

you when the markets are up:

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[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbRD9FpqYI"][B]you when the markets slide[/B][/URL]

speaking of former prosecutor turned criminal rudy 'two-face' giuliani...

[QUOTE][B][U]Giuliani can't say 100 percent Trump didn't threaten Ukraine aid[/U][/B]

Rudy Giuliani on Monday said that he can

[QUOTE=Nanners]A couple years ago, Creepy Joe was bragging in public about how he used financial threats to get this Ukrainian prosecutor fired. Heres video proof - [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY[/url]

Anyway, it blows my mind that democrats are basically arguing that using your political influence to expose the corrupt acts of another politician is somehow worse than using your political influence to blackmail a foreign country into ignoring any crimes that may have committed by your corrupt family members.
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What you opted to not include (mistakenly I'm assuming) was the fact that the [B]whole Obama administration[/B], not just Joe Biden who was acting as a liaison to Eastern European governments in contention was Russia, was in agreement that the Ukrainian prosecutor in question needed to be fired because he had been sitting on and opted not to investigate and prosecute a host of corruption cases, just as Ukrainian prosecutors before him had done. In fact, Ukrainians and international organizations were also calling for Viktor Shokin's ouster and saw him as an obstacle to reform.

[QUOTE]His appointment under President Petro Poroshenko disappointed reformers hopeful that the country would abandon a corrupt past in which prosecutors didn

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Let's see if you can read. It's all conjecture at this point. It may or may not add up to something but I wouldn't bet on it since everything the Dems in the House have tried have backfired on them.[/QUOTE]

Trump has pretty much acknowledged all of it over the last two days after initially denying all of it. I know, right. What's new.

In fact, he just acknowledged that he did indeed threaten to withhold aid from Ukraine because he wanted them to take corruption more seriously... all while pushing them, and sending his personal lawyers to push them to investigate Hunter Biden and Joe Biden. Here's the funny part... they waited until after Joe Biden announced his Presidential run to make those threats and push for that investigation.

[QUOTE=MaxFly]Trump has pretty much acknowledged all of it over the last two days after initially denying all of it. I know, right. What's new.

In fact, he just acknowledged that he did indeed threaten to withhold aid from Ukraine because he wanted them to take corruption more seriously... all while pushing them, and sending his personal lawyers to push them to investigate Hunter Biden and Joe Biden. Here's the funny part... they waited until after Joe Biden announced his Presidential run to make those threats and push for that investigation.[/QUOTE]

:sleeping


So?

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]how long before the bots start telling michigan and wisconsin that sleepy joe is keeping child sex slaves in the basement of a long john silver's or that he had nipsey hussle assassinated?[/QUOTE]

Wait, it's not a verified fact that Sleepy Joe was involved in Nipsey Hussle's untimely demise?

[QUOTE=MaxFly]Wait, it's not a verified fact that Sleepy Joe was involved in Nipsey Hussle's untimely demise?[/QUOTE]


Of course not. Everything's Trump's fault. He's the only corrupt person in Washington. Keep up with the narrative.

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]:sleeping


So?[/QUOTE]

Good... you have no issue with any of this. Remember this post, ok.

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]Of course not. Everything's Trump's fault. He's the only corrupt person in Washington. Keep up with the narrative.[/QUOTE]

Yeah... let's not talk about possible corrupt acts taken by the President of the United States and his people under his direction because there are other corrupt people in Washington and across the country. :rolleyes:

Here is Trump today [B]at the UN, during media availability with the Polish president[/B]:

[QUOTE]Joe Biden and his son are corrupt... If a Republican ever did what Joe Biden did,[B] if a Republican ever said what Joe Biden said, they’d be getting the electric chair by right now.[/B][/QUOTE]

This dude is terrified of Joe Biden.

Fox's Napolitano on Joe Biden:

[QUOTE]Napolitano agreed that while [B]

[QUOTE=MaxFly]Wait, it's not a verified fact that Sleepy Joe was involved in Nipsey Hussle's untimely demise?[/QUOTE]

the normal real news dissemination process ran into a... problem recently.

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how will fancy bear get the truth about nipseygate out to the public now?

:(

Both Andgar and Maxfly have become completely unhinged. :oldlol:

Trump isn't going down and when he sidesteps another witch hunt, they are going to dive deeper down the rabbit hole of insanity :oldlol:

maga lawyers are now repping a ukrainian business partner of big paulie who just happens to be a russian mobster fighting extradition to face justice in 'murrica.

[QUOTE][B][U]Trump-Friendly Lawyers Join Legal Team of Ukraine

[QUOTE=Long Duck Dong]Both Andgar and Maxfly have become completely unhinged. :oldlol:

Trump isn't going down and when he sidesteps another witch hunt, they are going to dive deeper down the rabbit hole of insanity :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

I love the deflection. Can't adequately defend Trump's actions, attack other posters.

It's ok... I'll stick to the subject matter.

[QUOTE]President Trump told his acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, to hold back almost $400 million in military aid for Ukraine at least a week before a phone call in which Trump is said to have pressured the Ukrainian president to investigate the son of former vice president Joe Biden, according to three senior administration officials.

Officials at the Office of Management and Budget relayed Trump

[QUOTE=MaxFly][QUOTE]resident Trump told his acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, to hold back almost $400 million in military aid for Ukraine at least a week before a phone call in which Trump is said to have pressured the Ukrainian president to investigate the son of former vice president Joe Biden, according to three senior administration officials.

Officials at the Office of Management and Budget relayed Trump

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]basic common sense dictated that was the case from the jump.

quid pro maga.

looks like the crooked dems are moving towards impeachment and a possible select committee to handle proceedings.

i think rrr might hate nancy just a little less by this time tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

They can get Trump taxes and other documents by simply opening impeachment proceedings without taking up impeachment vote in the House. That would put a lid on Trump trying to hide his tax returns because he would be required to do so under impeachment laws.

[QUOTE=Long Duck Dong]Both Andgar and Maxfly have become completely unhinged. :oldlol:

Trump isn't going down and when he sidesteps another witch hunt, they are going to dive deeper down the rabbit hole of insanity :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

You have Trump Derangement Syndrome. You defend anything Donny does no matter what. You are the deranged one, pal.

Pelosi has been talking with her colleagues throughout today and it could get interesting.

[QUOTE]The [b]drama is all building toward Thursday, a make-or-break moment in the eyes of House Democratic leaders. Pelosi gave the acting director of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire, until then to turn over the whistleblower complaint[/b]. Under the law, any matter deemed of “urgent concern” is supposed to be shared with Congress. But the Trump administration has refused to hand over the material — despite an inspector general’s determination that it has met that threshold.[/QUOTE][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-quietly-sounding-out-house-democrats-about-whether-to-impeach-trump-officials-say/2019/09/23/98a33fd8-de5f-11e9-8fd3-d943b4ed57e0_story.html[/url]

I don't see anything happening today (Tuesday), but Wednesday should heat up. Pelosi is trying to gauge where the party members stand and to see if she can get any Republican support. Republicans have been pretty quiet last few days except for a couple of them. I also think they are waiting for latest polls to come in to see where the public stands since the whistle-blower news came out.

People don't seem to realize that once the House impeaches, everything comes out. Trump can't countersue or have the federal court freeze something or delay. Everything, including his tax returns, have to reach the hands of Congress. If it's danning in any way, Republicans will begin to flip to protect their own skin. They won't go down with the ship, I promise you that. Politicians don't go down with the ship, typically anyways..

[QUOTE=Nanners]A couple years ago, Creepy Joe was bragging in public about how he used financial threats to get this Ukrainian prosecutor fired. Heres video proof - [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY[/url]

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Yea to me it basically hinges on whether it's true or not. If it's true or they have 'high confidence' to believe it was true, his (Trump's) actions are just, imo.

People say it like Trump is saying 'make up some shit about Biden and I'll pay you', but he could be saying, release what you already know. If it's really corrupt shit, I dunno why people are so upset. I guess cuz they are all corrupt clowns.

At first I was gonna say Trump should want to face a clown like Biden in the general (because he would destroy himself once the scrutiny was all on him, even Obama knows), but I guess the best-best outcome (for Trump) is Biden continuing to damage progressives with credibility then narrowly losing the nomination so that Trump can point back to stuff Biden said about universal healthcare and such.

I'm sure we'll get to view the transcript, and maybe even get some more info about what was actually going on with Yung Biden.

-Smak

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Bingo!!!!:applause:
They have been wrong on every single thing about Trump since before he was elected. Each one of them is the one that will bring him down. As soon as they are debunked they move on to the next big thing. The sheep eagerly follow along with the propaganda being spewed by the talking heads and believe every single bit of it with while stuck in their leftist echo chambers. This would be comical if it was not so pathetic. :roll:

Excited to see how things unfold.

[QUOTE=bladefd]They can get Trump taxes and other documents by simply opening impeachment proceedings without taking up impeachment vote in the House. That would put a lid on Trump trying to hide his tax returns because he would be required to do so under impeachment laws.[/QUOTE]

I've been saying this for quite some time. It's a risky gambit if they ultimately don't take a vote, but they really need to break the back of all this obstruction.

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]i think rrr might hate nancy just a little less by this time tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

People can say what they want about Pelosi, but given her cautious approach to impeachment and her obvious aversion to going down that road, she can't be painted as an overzealous Speaker intent on playing political games. She has been a moderating voice through much of this, so the fact that she is seriously considering unleashing the hounds is indicative of a shift in perspective due to this most recent revelation and the increased pressure she has been receiving from her caucus. She actually positioned herself quite well for this next stage.

[QUOTE=ILLsmak]Yea to me it basically hinges on whether it's true or not. If it's true or they have 'high confidence' to believe it was true, his (Trump's) actions are just, imo.

People say it like Trump is saying 'make up some shit about Biden and I'll pay you', but he could be saying, release what you already know. If it's really corrupt shit, I dunno why people are so upset. I guess cuz they are all corrupt clowns.
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The full context on Biden and what he did has already come out. I responded to Nanners' post. Here is what was in my response.

[QUOTE]...the whole Obama administration, not just Joe Biden who was acting as a liaison to Eastern European governments in contention was Russia, was in agreement that the Ukrainian prosecutor in question needed to be fired because he had been sitting on and opted not to investigate and prosecute a host of corruption cases, just as Ukrainian prosecutors before him had done. In fact, Ukrainians and international organizations were also calling for Viktor Shokin's ouster and saw him as an obstacle to reform.

[QUOTE]His appointment under President Petro Poroshenko disappointed reformers hopeful that the country would abandon a corrupt past in which prosecutors didn

[Quote]Multiple administration sources confirmed to Fox News on Tuesday that the Office of Management and Budget indeed told the State Department and Department of Defense in July that it was putting a hold on nearly $400 million in aid to Ukraine.

But administration sources told Fox News that the reason for the freeze on Ukrainian aid was tied to concerns about corruption. Sources said that Trump wanted to be confident that the incoming administration of Volodymyr Zelensky was going to take steps to end corruption before releasing the funding.

The aid to Ukraine also, according to sources, came up in the context of other countries and questions about whether they were paying their share.

The White House’s decision to release the funding ultimately was made in mid-August, after Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, called the president and said that Ukraine desperately needed the aid, according to administration sources.

The White House, at the time, was also up against an appropriation “impoundment” deadline, which meant the money would either have to be spent, or impounded. The White House would have been forced to go to court to justify the impoundment, which sources said it did not want to do.[/Quote]

This may or may not be true but it's a reasonable enough explanation that unless Trump is on record saying he's gonna withhold aid unless Biden is investigated the House is gonna have a hard time convicting him.

trump is good at saying things without actually saying it. He knows the phone call was being transcribed. Based on the complaint, he was more or less open in the conversation with ukraine president about committing acts of collusion in our political system. Why would he be openly doing this? is it because he feels bold after the "exonerated" Mueller report? or is this actually a setup up from trump to make democrats look stupid right before the 2020 elections? He does seem genuinely frustrated these past few days so the later may not be realistic.

In the case of this not being a setup, we can be sure their wont be clear and literal collusion in the transcript, but "word arounds" that convey what he wants done, which is collusion.

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]This may or may not be true but it's a reasonable enough explanation that unless Trump is on record saying he's gonna withhold aid unless Biden is investigated the House is gonna have a hard time convicting him.[/QUOTE]

Well the abuse of power can be first found in pressuring a foreign state to start an investigation on a political rival for political gain. Even absent the quid pro quo, that's impeachable. Giuliani, in an unofficial role, held meetings with Ukrainian officials to pressure them to investigate the Bidens and did not go though proper state department channels. He was bold enough to say that he held those meetings to help his client.

The withholding of funds might be very problematic as well because the pressure from Trump and Giuliani was so intense that the Ukrainians have gone on record as saying that they were concerned that the money would be and was being withheld because their President demurred in seeking an investigation into the Bidens. There's also the fact that the money was held up all summer and released only two weeks ago... when this whistleblower complaint really started heating up. What a coincidence... because Ukraine didn't change anything in how they were conducting business to free up the money and there is no indication as to how the administration came to the conclusion that they were corruption free enough to get the funds.

Let's see how this goes.

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]trump is good at saying things without actually saying it. He knows the phone call was being transcribed. Based on the complaint, he was more or less open in the conversation with ukraine president about committing acts of collusion in our political system. Why would he be openly doing this? is it because he feels bold after the "exonerated" Mueller report? or is this actually a setup up from trump to make democrats look stupid right before the 2020 elections? He does seem genuinely frustrated these past few days so the later may not be realistic.

In the case of this not being a setup, we can be sure their wont be clear and literal collusion in the transcript, but "word arounds" that convey what he wants done, which is collusion.[/QUOTE]

And I don't think it's just Trump. There's Giuliani as well... and from what we have heard regarding the meetings he had, the pressure was pretty insistent from him as well. It will be interesting to hear what he said to the Ukrainians. He went as Trump's personal lawyer. This was political.

[QUOTE=MaxFly] Giuliani, in an unofficial role, held meetings with Ukrainian officials to pressure them to investigate the Bidens and did not go though proper state department channels. He was bold enough to say that he held those meetings to help his client.
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There would have to be indisputable evidence that Trump ordered Giuliani to do this.

This is gonna be tricky for the Democrats. If they open impeachment proceedings and the evidence isn't concrete it will blow up in their face just like the Mueller report. On the other hand if they are able to impeach and it dies in the Senate it will be fodder for Trump to energize his base in the swing states.

Just catching up to this story.

Are the Dems playing the collusion angle again??


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:lol :lol :lol

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[QUOTE=rufuspaul]There would have to be indisputable evidence that Trump ordered Giuliani to do this.[/QUOTE]

Giuliani said that he kept Trump informed of his progress. Trump then put the same pressure on the Ukrainian President that Giuliani was putting on his officials. It will be hard to convince people that the two did not decide to put pressure on the Ukrainians in concert... that it was just a coincidence that they both had the same idea, at the same time, around the same thing, with the same ask.

[QUOTE]This is gonna be tricky for the Democrats. If they open impeachment proceedings and the evidence isn't concrete it will blow up in their face just like the Mueller report. On the other hand if they are able to impeach and it dies in the Senate it will be fodder for Trump to energize his base in the swing states.[/QUOTE]

So either way, the Republicans should be overjoyed that this is going on. I can see why they're hoping to look past these new revelations. The great thing about impeachment proceedings is that it opens up access to all kinds of things, including his taxes.

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So either way, the Republicans should be overjoyed that this is going on. I can see why they're hoping to look past these new revelations. The great thing about impeachment proceedings is that it opens up access to all kinds of things, including his taxes.[/QUOTE]

It's a big gamble either way. Very interesting times we're living in.

i've said it before, i'll say it again- rudy is a sdny plant sent to destroy maga from within.

[QUOTE]HANNITY: You didn’t get involved in this on your own. Did our State Department ask you to go on a mission for them?

GIULIANI: They did. I was called by the State –

HANNITY: And you’re a good citizen and you went?

GIULIANI: The State Department called me and said, would I take a call from Mr. Yermak, who’s number two or three to the president-elect, now the president. I was put together with Mr. Earmach. I talked to him he gave me enormously important facts. I conveyed them all to the State Department – unlike the media lies, fake news, I wasn’t operating on my own. I was operating at the request of the State Department.[/QUOTE]

dude just implicated the state dept. in maga's foreign bribery and corruption scheme.

every time he goes on tv, he reveals new crimes no one was even looking into.

like clockwork.

:applause:

Pocahontas got the ball rolling, put the pressure on Pelosi. Creepy and MAGA might just end up taking each other out. What is comrade freeshit doing?