"Pippen was the best player in the world in 93, 94, 95" - Dennis Rodman

[B]I would not go as far as to say that Pippen was the best player in 93 94 95 but he was definetly top 10

From 93 to 95 i have the following players over Pippen:

1-MJ
2-Hakeem
3-Barkley
4-Malone
5-Robinson
6-Shaq
7-Ewing
8-Drexler
9-Pippen
10-Stockton
11-Payton

Honorable mentions Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Chris Mullin, Jason Kidd, Derrick Coleman, Mark Price, Kevin Johnson, Alonzo Mourning, Mitch Richmond, Reggie Miller etc[/B]

[QUOTE=97 bulls;13975053]It's not that Jordan being 1-9 before Pip is false. The problem is why his record before Pip is always brought up. The argument is that Jordan won with little and even in some cases absolutely no help. That you can put any combination of run of the mill to solid players around him and hed find some way to win. So the question is why didnt he donit before Pip came?

I dont see Jordans playoff record before Pippen being an indictment against him because they were solid to run of the mill players. Orlando Woolridge and Charles Oakley were very good basketball players Paxson was there. Why didnt they win? I'd even go so far as to say that Oakley might been more impactful than Grant.

The fact is that Jordan was young. And Woolridge was a solid player while Pippen was a perennial top 5 player.[/QUOTE]
They weren't even winning against the pistons until they had phil to coach them.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;13974859]I see not much has changed. Good to see you still around though[/QUOTE]

Likewise. :cheers:

Yeah, I come back after years and it's still the same nonsense from MJ stans.

[QUOTE]And again. These guys had like 10 years to succeed. Pip had 1 because hes in Jordan's shadow. How do you know he couldn't have had 1 epic playoff run in his career?[/QUOTE]

Dirk is a good example. He was perceived one way his entire career until he had that 2011 run and everything changed. There were questions about Kobe without Shaq until he won, with Gasol, five years later. Pippen did not have a player of Gasol's caliber.

The comp people always bring up is Messier in hockey but people forget Messier didn't win the first year after Gretzky left either. Plus Gretzky left in a trade where they got value back for him. Jordan retired right before the season started.

One of the funny things is the people who dog Pippen for not winning in 94' are the same people who hype Ewing, Payton, Miller, Malone who had their entire primes to win as the best player and never did it.


[QUOTE]Maybe so, but if not for the playoffs, James Harden would be viewed as the best player. Over the last 2 or 3 years.[/QUOTE]

Would he? A knock on him has always been his defense, even during the regular season. Harden is universally considered top 5 (even with the qualms about his playoffs, although his stats against GS were identical to Kawhi's but one choked and the other beasted?) and you have some people who will put him as high as 2nd or 3rd (partly depends on how much you think LeBron has declined). Giannis is #1 but Harden, LeBron, Davis, Luka can go in any order 2-5. Durant and Curry are hurt but last year Luka and Davis weren't in the mix and going back further you take out Giannis and add Westbrook. Harden has been right there in the top 5 conversation consistently in Houston.

[QUOTE]Yeah. I'm talking about the postseason. Even with Pippen's poor shooting not having a guy like Rodman hurt them. Worm is STILL underappreciated. Not a lot offense there, but the defense? Rebounding? Athletic ability? The overall toughness? Guy helped Chicago become the most feared team alive.[/QUOTE]

Yup. It is no coincidence they always had a PF like that when they won, whether it was Rodman or Grant. It gets lost in the "MJ is back" narrative but that was the biggest factor in their 95' loss.

[QUOTE]Some of that is limited time integrating Mike in their offense. Maybe a bit of confusion with roles there.[/QUOTE]

Yeah those were the problems, especially at the top end. So Pippen went from the #1 option to #2 and Kukoc #2 to #3 and Armstrong #3 to #4--but it affected everyone. The Bulls averaged 82 shots a game and MJ shows up and takes 24. Those 24 had to come from everyone. Look at their FGA per game in the season and the playoffs (keep in mind the season numbers include the hit from MJ in March and April):

Pippen: 16.7 to 13.1
Kukoc: 11.9 to 11.1
Armstrong: 10.9 to 7.9

Maybe if MJ came back in January instead of mid-March they could have had time to work out the kinks.

[QUOTE]The rebounding problem was talked about A LOT after that series from what I can remember.[/QUOTE]

Me too, which is why it is funny that it is completely forgotten. It is boiled down to MJ being "rusty" now.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;13975053]It's not that Jordan being 1-9 before Pip is false. The problem is why his record before Pip is always brought up. The argument is that Jordan won with little and even in some cases absolutely no help. That you can put any combination of run of the mill to solid players around him and hed find some way to win. So the question is why didnt he donit before Pip came? [/QUOTE]

Well said. That is really what it boils down to. MJ stans go around saying MJ is the best because of his team success. They say if others were as good as MJ they would have had the same team success. When people point to his favorable team, injury, and competition circumstances, the MJ crowd will say he would have won anyway and that his team was not that good, other than him.

Note that they always talk about "6 rings" and "6-0" like it was destined no matter what. It's never "yeah he won 6 but maybe it would be 3 or 4 if things break differently." Plus it is always "Jordan won" or "Jordan wouldn't allow Game 7s" etc., never the team.

The natural response is if all this is true, where was Jordan before or after Pippen, Phil Jackson, the triangle offense, etc.?

pippen is just an iguodala type. Not worth building around. Hes just lucky he played with mj whos unselfish that hes willing to sacrifice stats for the betterment of the team. Had he played with lebron, he would just be another nobody.

[QUOTE=knicksman;13975085]pippen is just an iguodala type. Not worth building around. Hes just lucky he played with mj whos unselfish that hes willing to sacrifice stats for the betterment of the team. Had he played with lebron, he would just be another nobody.[/QUOTE]

Stick to trolling, leave your low IQ posts at the door. Real men are speaking

Breaking News: Athletes, be it former or current, say stupid shit all the time.

Pippen has 0 argument for league's best player from 93-95. He's not even Top 5 in '93.

[QUOTE=Indian guy;13975112]Breaking News: Athletes, be it former or current, say stupid shit all the time.

Pippen has 0 argument for league's best player from 93-95. He's not even Top 5 in '93.[/QUOTE]

He won 55 games in '94 missing his #1st option and winning 55 games, making 1st team all nba, and getting 3rd in MVP votes...

How many players in the NBA could lead a cast of Horace Grant and a bunch of average players to 55+ wins

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;13975117]He won 55 games in '94 missing his #1st option and winning 55 games, making 1st team all nba, and getting 3rd in MVP votes...[/QUOTE]
Pippen also missed 10 games in 1994

[QUOTE=Manny98;13975144]How many players in the NBA could lead a cast of Horace Grant and a bunch of average players to 55+ wins[/QUOTE]

Then look up all the 55+ win teams in history.. After you're done looking up all the regular season heroes.. look up all the superstars with 4,5, 6 rings. Your boy isn't on that list. MJ has nothing to do with that. Lebron really tried man :oldlol:

The 93' stuff is disingenuous. Rodman probably meant 1993-1994 but MJ stans are glomming onto it to bring up 93', arguably his weakest prime regular season, instead of addressing Rodman's legitimate point about Pippen's peak years. Even if he wasn't #1 he was damn close.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13975238]The 93' stuff is disingenuous. Rodman probably meant 1993-1994 but MJ stans are glomming onto it to bring up 93', arguably his weakest prime regular season, instead of addressing Rodman's legitimate point about Pippen's peak years. Even if he wasn't #1 he was damn close.[/QUOTE]

There's no way Pippen was better than Jordan in 1992'-'93. It's definitely '93-'94. Compared to '91-'92, '92-'93 Pippen took a step back in points, assists, fg percentage, free throw percentage. That being said, I don't believe the Bulls beat Phoenix without him.

[QUOTE=RogueBorg;13975254]There's no way Pippen was better than Jordan in 1992'-'93. It's definitely '93-'94. Compared to '91-'92, '92-'93 Pippen took a step back in points, assists, fg percentage, free throw percentage. That being said, I don't believe the Bulls beat Phoenix without him.[/QUOTE]

Agreed and when people say he was the best (including MJ) they mean 94' and/or 95'.

Yeah Pippen was bothered by a nagging injury that season but he still put up 21/9/8 against Phoenix.

Conventional wisdom at the time was Scottie was the best 'non center' in the league. In the aftermath of MJs departure in 93 the centers took over the league. Hakeem, Admiral, Shaq. Pippen fairly could be called the best of anyone who wasn't in that class of center. Ewing was a slightly lesser version of the player we saw in 92 and 93, still a top flight player but I wouldn't have taken him over Pip in 94 all things considered. It's close either way. I don't think anyone else had a strong argument. Maybe Karl Malone? Barkley wasn't healthy in 94. If he was as he is in 93 he would have had another season on that level. Scottie was top 5 in 94 and 95 those years. Best? No.

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13975080]Would he? A knock on him has always been his defense, even during the regular season. Harden is universally considered top 5 (even with the qualms about his playoffs, although his stats against GS were identical to Kawhi's but one choked and the other beasted?) and you have some people who will put him as high as 2nd or 3rd (partly depends on how much you think LeBron has declined). Giannis is #1 but Harden, LeBron, Davis, Luka can go in any order 2-5. Durant and Curry are hurt but last year Luka and Davis weren't in the mix and going back further you take out Giannis and add Westbrook. Harden has been right there in the top 5 conversation consistently in Houston.[/quote]

Not gonna derail the topic here, but he absolutely would. In the regular-season, Harden has incredible advanced numbers. Great ORPM/ORAPM/PIPM and high efficiency for the volume. His defense has also gotten better these last few years. Either way, its not like 1-way players weren't ever considered BITW. As you know.

Far as the Kawhi and Harden comparison? To me its apples and oranges. On a surface level, you can look at their stats and come to that conclusion. I'd say watch last years Game 5 and 6 again. Vs the Warriors. Harden was horrible in Game 5, the moment Durant couldn't play. And in Game 6, at home, had multiple turnovers in the final minutes with large stretches where he was outclassed by Curry. Durant didn't play in that one either.

You might not classify that stuff with "choking", but I definitely do.

[quote]Me too, which is why it is funny that it is completely forgotten. It is boiled down to MJ being "rusty" now.[/QUOTE]

Shallow analysis no doubt. That's the problem with fanboys. They legit think 1 man can AND DOES everything.

[QUOTE=RRR3;13974853]Kuniva, I have to ask

If Rodman played today, you think a high percentage of his shots would be 3s? He took occasional 3s back then and it wasn't considered "kosher" for 4s and 5s to do it for the most part then, so I'm wondering if you think he'd try to be a 3 and d guy now.

I feel like he'd have to or he'd clog the paint (unless he was playing with a stretch 5).[/QUOTE]

They were pretty rare for Rodman even then. He usually took them in the final seconds when Chicago had all but the game won. Or when the Bulls were out of options. LITERALLY. Since everyone is doing it today, ya his percentage would go up. Naturally. Not gonna pretend I know the exact figure but it wouldn't be a whole lot bro. It wasn't in Dennis' makeup, and would be the first to tell you he couldn't shoot for shit.

I think peak Worm would be a cross between Adams and Draymond but on steroids and crack. Phil called him one of the greatest athletes he's ever seen. I don't disagree.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;13975375]Conventional wisdom at the time was Scottie was the best 'non center' in the league. In the aftermath of MJs departure in 93 the centers took over the league. Hakeem, Admiral, Shaq. Pippen fairly could be called the best of anyone who wasn't in that class of center. Ewing was a slightly lesser version of the player we saw in 92 and 93, still a top flight player but I wouldn't have taken him over Pip in 94 all things considered. It's close either way. I don't think anyone else had a strong argument. Maybe Karl Malone? Barkley wasn't healthy in 94. If he was as he is in 93 he would have had another season on that level. Scottie was top 5 in 94 and 95 those years. Best? No.[/QUOTE]

Malone and Barkley were still in their primes and easily better than Pip.

LOL @ taking Pip over Ewing in 94. Guess u missed their series against each other when Pat was by far the best player of the series and nearly hit a gamewinner to go up 3-0 until Kukoc saved the Bulls with his gamewinner with Scottie pouting like a bitch on the bench. Horace Grant was the Bulls best player that series BTW

LOL at this guy trying to say Grant was better than Pippen in that series.

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG;13975416]Malone and Barkley were still in their primes and easily better than Pip.[/QUOTE]

I don't see Barkley on here, do you?

[B]Top 5 in all-NBA voting in 1994[/B]

[I]1) Pippen (forward) 94[/I]
2) Hakeem (center) 68
3) Malone (forward) 65
4) Stockton (guard) 56
5) Sprewell (guard) 29

Pippen crushed everyone in the voting. You can let Hakeem slide because he was at the same position as Robinson and that cost him a lot of votes. Robinson was considered on par with Hakeem at the time. However, look at Pippen's vote and compare that to the other forwards and guards. Karl Malone was a top 5 player for practically all of the 90's, right? Pippen crushed him 94-68 in the voting. No, Pippen playing SF and Malone PF was not a factor. All-NBA voting is done on a forward/center/guard basis. Several times in the 90's two PF's, especially Malone and Barkley, took the two forward spots on the first team.

A quick internet search revealed the following for his other peak seasons:

[B]
Top 5 in all-NBA voting in 1995[/B]

1) Malone (F) 519
2) Robinson (C) 479
[I]3) Pippen (F) 451[/I]
4) Stockton (G) 447
5) P. Hardaway (G) 394

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/1995/05/12/sp...s-all-nba.html[/url]

[B]Top 5 in all-NBA voting in 1996
[/B]
1) Jordan (G) 113 (unanimous)
[I]2) Pippen (F) 91[/I]
3) Hardaway (G) 90
4) Malone (F) 89
5) Robinson (C) 65

Since we know there were 113 voters Pippen received 81% of the vote. He got hurt during the final fifth of the season and his production declined so that surely cost him some votes. The margin between him and #3 and #4 would be greater if he didn't get hurt. Still, the guy gets hurt and averages 15 ppg for one-fifth of the season (21-22 ppg before that) and he still gets more votes than anyone not named Jordan.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/24/sp...tar-again.html[/url]

This is voting for the all-NBA team. Regarding the all-Defensive team, Pippen received the most votes in 1994. And in 1995. And in 1996. Yes, also in 1997. So to recap, these were his finishes during his peak:

All-NBA voting: 1st, 3rd, 2nd
All-Defensive voting: 1st, 1st, 1st

Scottie may never have been a top 5 player but if he wasn't he sure had a lot of people fooled at the time.

[QUOTE]Either way, its not like 1-way players weren't ever considered BITW[/QUOTE]

Magic was. ;)

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13975434]
Magic was. ;)[/QUOTE]

[quote]
Either way, its [B]not[/B] like 1-way players weren't ever considered BITW[/quote]

Exactly :cheers:

If you just go by regular-season, '90 Barkley made a nice case for himself too.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy;13975442]Exactly :cheers:

If you just go by regular-season, '90 Barkley made a nice case for himself too.[/QUOTE]

Misread since I was trying to respond to so many quotes in this thread. My bad!

Yeah people forget Barkley 90'. He may have been better then than he was during his MVP year.

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG;13975416]Malone and Barkley were still in their primes and easily better than Pip.

LOL @ taking Pip over Ewing in 94. Guess u missed their series against each other when Pat was by far the best player of the series and nearly hit a gamewinner to go up 3-0 until Kukoc saved the Bulls with his gamewinner with Scottie pouting like a bitch on the bench. Horace Grant was the Bulls best player that series BTW[/QUOTE]

Pip and Ewing weren't matched against each other in that series. Ewing against the Bulls mediocre frontline comparing that to Pip going against the Knicks perimeter defenders with that frontline in the background isnt an apples to apples comparison. The black mark on Scottie that year was the sit-out, admittedly that marred what was otherwise an MVP caliber season but to act like he wasn't in the discussion for top 5 that year is crazy. Or top 6, or top 7. Whatever. After Hakeem, Shaq and Admiral its up for debate who came immediately after them.

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG;13975416]Malone and Barkley were still in their primes and easily better than Pip.

LOL @ taking Pip over Ewing in 94. Guess u missed their series against each other when Pat was by far the best player of the series and nearly hit a gamewinner to go up 3-0 until Kukoc saved the Bulls with his gamewinner with Scottie pouting like a bitch on the bench. Horace Grant was the Bulls best player that series BTW[/QUOTE]

Easily better than Pip how?!!!!! What were they doing that allows you to make this claim??

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;13975472]

Yeah people forget Barkley 90'. He may have been better then than he was during his MVP year.[/QUOTE]

Barkley not getting MVP that year was more media backlash because of his off court stuff. He easily could/should have won that year.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;13975480]Pip and Ewing weren't matched against each other in that series. Ewing against the Bulls mediocre frontline comparing that to Pip going against the Knicks perimeter defenders with that frontline in the background isnt an apples to apples comparison. The black mark on Scottie that year was the sit-out, admittedly that marred what was otherwise an MVP caliber season but to act like he wasn't in the discussion for top 5 that year is crazy. Or top 6, or top 7. Whatever. After Hakeem, Shaq and Admiral its up for debate who came immediately after them.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. It is also funny that he is acting like Ewing had some great series and Pippen sucked. They both averaged 23 PPG. Ewing had better percentages, but he was a C against weak centers while Pippen faced the same defenders who held MJ to 40% the previous year.

[QUOTE]Barkley not getting MVP that year was more media backlash because of his off court stuff. He easily could/should have won that year.[/QUOTE]

That was a factor but Magic got credit for keeping the Lakers going without Kareem, although by Kareem's 20th season he was a 10 PPG guy.

Barkley actually got more first place votes than Magic but lost under the weird system where you get five votes and rank MVPs 1 to 5.

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8_GiznzWbk"]The best of Scottie Pippen early career highlights[/URL]

The mixture of athleticism and length was just beautiful to watch in those early days. He'd become a better and stronger player, but he was just flat out explosive in those first 5 years.

[QUOTE=Smoke117;13975633][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8_GiznzWbk"]The best of Scottie Pippen early career highlights[/URL]

The mixture of athleticism and length was just beautiful to watch in those early days. He'd become a better and stronger player later on, but he was never as flat out explosive as he was in the first 5 years of his career.[/QUOTE] That pass at 0:10 tho!

Now we are told he wasn't a superstar yet other stars wanted to be him?

[B]If you could be any other player here who would it be?[/B]

It was a question I'd asked 12 years ago to Dream Team III: Reggie Miller, Charles Barkley, Penny Hardaway, Gary Payton, Shaq.

Their answers lent insight into which players they respected, whose game they feared. [B]Back then Scottie Pippen's name came up the most. Five out of the 12 players on that team wanted to be, even if for one game, Jordan's Green Hornet[/B]. When asked, "Why Pip?" it was Miller who explained it best: "Because Pippen can score only five points and still dominate a basketball game."

[url]https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=jackson/090216[/url]

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[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;13973709]You know 3ball is fcking DYING inside not being able to respond to this thread :oldlol:[/QUOTE]


You guys call me crazy but Rodman was ACTUALLY crazy - 95' Pippen had a bum .500 team before MJ came back to carry him to another 3-peat..

94' Pippen peaked at 22 and 5 assists, while bowing down to Ewing in the playoffs with historic chokes/blunders - Kukoc led the team in playoff BPM and 3 teammates beat Pippen in WS/48.

93' Pippen had a horrible season, including zero votes for DPOY (MJ was #2) - he also had a 2.0 playoff BPM with lower PER, WS/48 and pace-adjusted scoring than 14' Wade, and lower than 13' Wade across the board (BPM, VORP, PER, WS/48).

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[SIZE=3]History knows:[/SIZE]



[Indent][B]13' Wade. Playoffs[/B]...... 18.7 PER.. 3.0 bpm.. 1.0 vorp.. 0.108 ws/48
[B]93' Pippen Playoffs[/B]'.... 16.9 PER.. 2.0 bpm.. 0.8 vorp.. 0.083 ws/48

[B]94' Ewing. ECSF[/B].... 23/12 on 53%
[B]94' Pippen ECSF[/B]..... 22/8 on 41%

[B]14' Wade. ECF[/B]........ 20 and 5 apg... 47% (1b to bron's 22 ppg)
[B]95' Pippen ECSF[/B]'.... 19 and 6 apg... 41%[/Indent]



[SIZE=3] Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat[/SIZE]


[Indent][B]14' Wade Playoffs[/B]...'.. 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
[B]93' Pippen Playoffs[/B]... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


[U]Per 100 Possessions[/U]

[B]14' Wade[/B]...'.. 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
[B]93' Pippen[/B]... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg[/indent]



[B]TLDR:[/B] Rodman is off his rocker
.

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[Indent][B]13' Wade. Playoffs[/B]...... 18.7 PER.. 3.0 bpm.. 1.0 vorp.. 0.108 ws/48
[B]93' Pippen Playoffs[/B]'.... 16.9 PER.. 2.0 bpm.. 0.8 vorp.. 0.083 ws/48

[B]94' Ewing. ECSF[/B].... 23/12 on 53%
[B]94' Pippen ECSF[/B]..... 22/8 on 41%

[B]14' Wade. ECF[/B]........ 20 and 5 apg... 47% (1b to bron's 22 ppg)
[B]95' Pippen ECSF[/B]'.... 19 and 6 apg... 41%[/Indent]



[SIZE=3] Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat[/SIZE]


[Indent][B]14' Wade Playoffs[/B]...'.. 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
[B]93' Pippen Playoffs[/B]... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


[U]Per 100 Possessions[/U]

[B]14' Wade[/B]...'.. 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
[B]93' Pippen[/B]... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg[/indent]



[B]TLDR:[/B] Rodman is off his rocker
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2013 Wade scored fewer PPGz than the lowest Championship run Pippen ever had. And we haven't even addressed defense and rebounding.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14334452]2013 Wade scored fewer PPGz than the lowest Championship run Pippen ever had. And we haven't even addressed defense and rebounding.[/QUOTE]


13' Wade scored more pace-adjusted and was 1b in the Finals with 20 ppg (25 for lebron) - Pippen was never a 1b

Regardless, Pippen was never anywhere near the best player and was a liability from 88-90', 93', 96-03', and he choked in the 94' and 95' ECSF

[QUOTE=Shooter;14334452]2013 Wade scored fewer PPGz than the lowest Championship run Pippen ever had. And we haven't even addressed defense and rebounding.[/QUOTE]

In the regular season, Wade's 21.2 ppg would be better than any Pippen season in a championship run. His 24 PER would also be an all time high for Pippen's entire career.

Dennis on hard drugs here

[QUOTE=2much_knowledge;14334478]Dennis on hard drugs here[/QUOTE]

Did you actually read some of the comments? It wasn't only Rodman that felt this way.

[QUOTE=Sarcastic;14334476]In the regular season, Wade's 21.2 ppg would be better than any Pippen season in a championship run. His 24 PER would also be an all time high for Pippen's entire career.[/QUOTE]

We're talking about the playoffs not regular season scoring. The only fans who care about that are Allen Iverson and Michael Jordan fans.

[QUOTE=Manny98;13973739]He's right, Pippen was really that good. You just have these pathetic MJ stans trying to[b] prop him down [/b]to make their hero look like he won with no help :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Prop him down? Is English your second language? It's prop him up or tear him down, dummy.

he was never close to "best in the world" lol. that's reserved for players who can lead teams to a title. pippen was an all-time #2 who at times averaged #1 numbers.

[QUOTE=mehyaM24;14334686]he was never close to "best in the world" lol. that's reserved for players who can lead teams to a title. pippen was an all-time #2 who at times averaged #1 numbers.[/QUOTE]

Did he have a fair opportunity to accomplish that feat? I mean he took over a team that was built around a player whose style wasnt like his. And even then, it was for only a year and a half. Any other guy you name would have had about 5 to 10 years of attempts at leasing a team to a title.

But as as I told you in the other thread, Pippen was extremely highly regarded during his shirt stint. And this thread more than proves it. Stats never tell the whole story.