[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14582119]From "just a 3 point shooter" to top 5 goat. You mad?[/QUOTE]
At least he is on the right side now. :lol
I think top 5 is a bit of a reach though.
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[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14582119]From "just a 3 point shooter" to top 5 goat. You mad?[/QUOTE]
At least he is on the right side now. :lol
I think top 5 is a bit of a reach though.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14582119]From "just a 3 point shooter" to top 5 goat. You mad?[/QUOTE]
Top 5? Bruh u trippin. He somewhere between 10-20
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14582138]Top 5? Bruh u trippin. He somewhere between 10-20[/QUOTE]
Top 21
[QUOTE=Axe;14582141]Top 21[/QUOTE]
Top 10 right ahead of iverson
if you watch the death lineup, they don't do any type of shot clock management, they simply run certain set plays that are designed down to exactly who shoots the ball, without options.
so every time when they are asked whether they have evolved or not, you see them being stuck in the exact same role-skill set back to the original championship in 16. Curry is the most unique one because he had the ability to dribble and drive from his college days, but when you ask him to do a little post-up or do a little spin, he just starts mentally blocking his own shot.
the death lineup simply do not believe in plays naturally developing by itself, they live in the fear where if they just look for ways to be open, others are still not intelligent enough to pass them the ball, and hence having their talent go to waste. [I]so they choose to orchestrate everything with a price, instead of earning a living. [/I]
He’s currently top 20, with a good chance to get into the top ten before it’s all said and done. He has what he needs right now to win the title this year, now that Book & Middleton are likely done for the playoffs.
[QUOTE=BarberSchool;14582707]He’s currently top 20, with a good chance to get into the top ten before it’s all said and done. He has what he needs right now to win the title this year, now that Book & Middleton are likely done for the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Neither is done for the PS, both are coming back in 2-3 weeks if their teams advance past the 1st round.
[QUOTE=hold this L;14582712]Neither is done for the PS, both are coming back in 2-3 weeks [I][B][U][SIZE=5]IF[/SIZE][/U][/B][/I] their teams advance past the 1st round.[/QUOTE]Vegas experts massively changed the lines for those two first round series, after immense bets came in immediately following both injuries.
Their injuries may very well heal before the finals, with all their rehabbing while watching the 2nd round and conference finals back home.
Point being, Curry is likely going to move up closer to his destiny/legacy THIS YEAR.
[QUOTE=BarberSchool;14582707][B]He’s currently top 20[/B], with a good chance to get into the top ten before it’s all said and done. He has what he needs right now to win the title this year, now that Book & Middleton are likely done for the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
He's got 3 rings, he'll need 5 and 30K points(which I don't think he can do) for me to put him in the top ten.
3ball has seen the light in time not to be embarrassed.
But it seems there are still quite a few of you who will end up looking worse than him.
There's still time to avoid such a fate but the window is closing.
[QUOTE=Stephonit;14582735]3ball has seen the light in time not to be embarrassed.
But it seems there are still quite a few of you who will end up looking worse than him.
There's still time to avoid such a fate but the window is closing.[/QUOTE]
Nobody here went from Curry most overrated all time -> top 5 within 12 months. That's basement dweller level bullshit.
Curry is top 11 for me, but hasn't surpassed Hakeem yet for top 10 spot.
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[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]
This is the worst legitimate thread that OP ever made.
Curry proved me wrong and I submit to his greatness. I [U][B]bow down[/B][/U] to Curry and his fans..
It's unfortunate that I realized Curry is a top 5 all-time AFTER making this thread.. So I feel embarrassed... Ashamed... Humbled
Can you imagine OP making a thread saying that MJ is the most overrated player ever? [U]Curry deserves the same respect[/U].. So I'm........ in shambles.......
I don't feel worthy of being a Curry fan, so again.... shambles.... Curry's goatness has humbled me.. I submit. I apologize. I repent to Curry and his fans..
Only true goat-caliber can make someone submit and repent as I have here to Curry.
I'm going to bump this thread again if the Warriors win a title.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582741].
[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]
This is the worst legitimate thread that OP ever made.
Curry proved me wrong and I submit to his greatness. I [U][B]bow down[/B][/U] to Curry and his fans..
It's unfortunate that I realized Curry is a top 5 all-time AFTER making this thread.. So I feel embarrassed... Ashamed... Humbled
Can you imagine OP making a thread saying that MJ is the most overrated player ever? [U]Curry deserves the same respect[/U].. So I'm........ in shambles.......
I don't feel worthy of being a Curry fan, so again.... shambles.... Curry's goatness has humbled me.. I submit. I apologize. I repent to Curry and his fans..
Only true goat-caliber can make someone submit and repent as I have here to Curry.[/QUOTE]
You have done a complete 180 on Giannis and Curry.
Next you will have an epiphany about Scottie Pippen and reverse your position.
Then LeBron.
:facepalm:
[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14582744]I'm going to bump this thread again if the Warriors win a title.[/QUOTE]
And I will apologize again... And again... And again
For the rest of my life
I have no problem coming around if the guy is actually the real deal... I have no choice
Otoh, if someone is a fraud, I'll never come around.. :confusedshrug:...
[I]So I do infact come around (Curry), which means that if I don't, the player is a fraud (Lebron)[/I]
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582741].
[B]Thread Cliffs[/B]
This is the worst legitimate thread that OP ever made.
Curry proved me wrong and I submit to his greatness. I [U][B]bow down[/B][/U] to Curry and his fans..
It's unfortunate that I realized Curry is a top 5 all-time AFTER making this thread.. So I feel embarrassed... Ashamed... Humbled
[B]Can you imagine OP making a thread saying that MJ is the most overrated player ever? [U]Curry deserves the same respect[/U][/B].. So I'm........ in shambles.......
I don't feel worthy of being a Curry fan, so again.... shambles.... Curry's goatness has humbled me.. I submit. I apologize. I repent to Curry and his fans..
Only true goat-caliber can make someone submit and repent as I have here to Curry.[/QUOTE]
agreed, Curry certainly had a few peak seasons where he was challenging Jordan as the best Shooting Guard we've ever witnessed.
[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14582775]agreed, Curry certainly had a few peak seasons where he was challenging Jordan as the best Shooting Guard we've ever witnessed.[/QUOTE]
It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him
For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did
Lebron failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582794]It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him
For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did[/QUOTE]
that's the thing about being wrong about someone, they can never underachieve your expectation of them
[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14582796]that's the thing about being wrong about someone, they can never underachieve your expectation of them[/QUOTE]
Lebron has the record for most losses with the talent favorite (preseason favorite), which is direct evidence of weak brand of ball..
Only a weak brand of ball (chemistry, teammate fits, strategy) can cause favored talent to underachieve
Lebron woat brand of big man ball-dominance makes everyone stand in the corner and underachieved the expectation for his entire career.. Specifically, he failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582799]Lebron has the record for most losses with the talent favorite (preseason favorite), which is direct evidence of weak brand of ball..
Only a weak brand of ball (chemistry, teammate fits, strategy) can cause favored talent to underachieve
Lebron woat brand of big man ball-dominance makes everyone stand in the corner and underachieved the expectation for his entire career.. Specifically, he failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).[/QUOTE]
the world just isn't going to make sense to you when you don't understand math.
The issue isn't that Curry proved you wrong, which happens with athletes all the time. The issue is you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows with the responses throughout the thread.
[QUOTE=tpols;14321251]This guy seriously thinks curry just stands and waits for 3s lmao. When he's probably the best off ball route runner of all time and is doubled all game.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kentatm;14321349]Saying Curry just stands around waiting to shoot 3s is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've ever read here on ISH and I've been here since before it changed to vBulletin.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=tpols;14321493]Dude Curry runs off screens all game long. He's the best assist target of all time... basically the randy moss of basketball. Crack is wack bro. When you say retarded shit like this it makes your valid points look weak.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NBAGOAT;14321671]i'll say it steph's the best player in the league(apologies to jokic). Obviously you're confirming your previous claim that you havent watched games in years by saying steph just waits for catch and shoots. His 3 pointers went up because strategy changed and he got better too.
Again, someone needs to check your eyes if you think he was the same player in 2012 compared to now. He became a better shooter, guys can go from bad shooters to good shooters, why cant he go from a great one to the GOAT shooter. Just having the stamina to move around so much for 40min a game took a lot of hard work on his end, he has maybe the best endurance in the league.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Koresh;14322012]This dude doesn't watch the modern NBA, only highlights and only cares about scoring. He is too busy jacking off to MJ clips to think clearly. The fact he has been on this forum this damn long is still shocking.[/QUOTE]
And it's not even like you said these things back when he was drafted, or even in 2014 before he ascended to true ATG status, you said this shit less than a year ago :oldlol: After he had already completed the bulk of his prime and peak seasons.
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14582825]The issue isn't that Curry proved you wrong, which happens with athletes all the time. The issue is you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows with the responses throughout the thread.
And it's not even like you said these things back when he was drafted, or even in 2014 before he ascended to true ATG status, you said this shit less than a year ago :oldlol: After he had already completed the bulk of his prime and peak seasons.[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582794]It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him
For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did
[B]Lebron failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).[/B][/QUOTE]
if it took you 5 posts to realize you were wrong about Curry, just what brand of ball did he switched from in your world
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14582825]The issue isn't that Curry proved you wrong, which happens with athletes all the time. The issue is you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows with the responses throughout the thread.
And it's not even like you said these things back when he was drafted, or even in 2014 before he ascended to true ATG status, you said this shit less than a year ago :oldlol: After he had already completed the bulk of his prime and peak seasons.[/QUOTE]
This thread is correct about Curry if we're talking 1970's basketball..
He wouldn't be nearly as good without the 3-point line... :confusedshrug:
You guys got your panties in a bunch about this obvious fact.. Does this make him overrated historically?? No because 3-pointers are NOW a permanent part of the game.
In today's game with the current rules & format - Curry > Lebron and top 5 all-time.....
And this is proven by him winning more with less and organically (brand of ball), while not being a perennial underachiever of expectation like Lebron
You want to get into a Curry/Lebron debate???... I'll use Curry to destroy Lebron just like MJ destroys him
Knowing how to win (brand of ball) is kind of important - Curry knows how to win and Lebron doesn't.. Lebron is an AAU talent-based winner that never learned good brand of ball (teammate fits, chemistry, strategy, aka ball movement).. Or we can look at team assists and see which skillset yields the best teammate fits and team offenses with the least help
Btw, the gather-step [url=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kSEKSF9tKoM&t=04m05s]was a travel[/url] in the 70's, so today's players would have to be expert contested shot-makers back then - experts at making ugly shots.. That's a problem for today's players that are accustomed to traveling (gather-stepping) to get by their man for a relatively uncontested shot (compared to the unspaced, physical 70's with no gather-stepping allowed).
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582832]
You want to get into a Curry/Lebron debate???... I'll use Curry to destroy Lebron just like MJ destroys him
[/QUOTE]
based on your mathematics, how big of a difference is it between peak Curry and peak Jordan, and who's better
[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14582834]based on your mathematics, how big of a difference is it between peak Curry and peak Jordan, and who's better[/QUOTE]
If Curry purposefully limited himself to 1 end-of-shot clock three per game (bailout), he would shoot poorly like MJ from three.
Whenever Jordan took more than bailout volume (more than 1.5 attempts), he shot well - this includes 42% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals or 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' Playoffs, or 38% on 3 attempts in 90' regular season.
Notice how his percentage increases with attempts - for shots that are generally more open like threes, great shooting form will shoot better at higher volume (rhythm).
TLDR: think of MJ was a rich man's Kawhi (does everything better on offense) with all the intangibles that Kawhi lacks (leadership, durability, mentality, better clutch, etc, etc, etc)
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582794][B]It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him[/B]
For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did
Lebron failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).[/QUOTE]
Bullshit. You spent the entire 2016 season shitting on him.
:whatever:
This aged like milk.
You should have listened to superior posters with alien-like iq. They were educating you from the beginning.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582841]If [B]a basketball player[/B] purposefully limited himself to 1 end-of-shot clock three per game (bailout), he would shoot poorly like MJ from three.
Whenever [B]a basketball player[/B] took more than bailout volume (more than 1.5 attempts), he shot well - this includes 42% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals or 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' Playoffs, or 38% on 3 attempts in 90' regular season.
Notice how his percentage increases with attempts - for shots that are generally more open like threes, great shooting form will shoot better at higher volume (rhythm).
TLDR: think of MJ was [B]a veteran basketball player[/B] (does everything better on offense) with all the intangibles that [B]other basketball players[/B] lacks (leadership, durability, mentality, better clutch, etc, etc, etc)[/QUOTE]
since you literally did not answer my question, I fixed this for you.
[QUOTE=RRR3;14321409]I said offense. Obviously MJ, LeBron Kareem and others are better because of defense.[/QUOTE]
Yeah i know you said offense. So it's not a joke then? You legit think curry is the greatest offensive player ever? He's not even the best offensive player in his generation.
This thread is humiliating for OP.
[QUOTE=8Ball;14582868]This thread is humiliating for OP.[/QUOTE]
It's also humiliating for some of your bron stain buddies. Some of yall idiots actually think curry is a top 10 or even top 5. Retarrrd3 legit said curry's the greatest offensive player ever:roll:
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy;14582852]:whatever:
This aged like milk.
You should have listened to superior posters with alien-like iq. They were educating you from the beginning.[/QUOTE]
Apparently, only I understand that Curry wouldn't be nearly as good without the 3-point line, so I'm the only one with hoops IQ
And go look at the posting before 2013 - "ball-domination" wasn't a common concept and most people literally didn't know what it was.
When I first posted that Lebron was a ball-dominator many years ago, you guys literally [U]refuted[/U] it - you refuted that the sky was blue - I had to prove it by posting the time of possession stats from NBA.com and his low assisted rate, or how teammates saw their assists crater alongside him - that's how little you guys knew about the game.. You loved this guy named Lebron but infact didn't understand his game at all or why he lost so much.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582871]Apparently, only I understand that Curry wouldn't be nearly as good without the 3-point line, so I'm the only one with hoops IQ
[/QUOTE]
you'll just say you were wrong again when Curry puts up double digit assists
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14582869]It's also humiliating for some of your bron stain buddies. Some of yall idiots actually think curry is a top 10 or even top 5. Retarrrd3 legit said curry's the greatest offensive player ever:roll:[/QUOTE]The only person who had Curry top 5 was 3ball. And if we're strictly talking about the regular season, then yeah, Curry has a great case for the goat offensive impact.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582871]Apparently, only I understand that Curry wouldn't be nearly as good without the 3-point line, so I'm the only one with hoops IQ
And go look at the posting before 2013 - "ball-domination" wasn't a common concept and most people literally didn't know what it was.
[B]When I first posted that Lebron was a ball-dominator many years ago, you guys literally [U]refuted[/U] it - you refuted that the sky was blue - I had to prove it by posting the time of possession stats from NBA.com and his low assisted rate, or how teammates saw their assists crater alongside him - that's how little you guys knew about the game.. You loved this guy named Lebron but infact didn't understand his game at all or why he lost so much[/B].[/QUOTE]
The bolded doesn't embarrass you kuniva?
You don't remember that?
[QUOTE=3ba11;14582886]The bolded doesn't embarrass you kuniva?
You don't remember that?[/QUOTE]
so Lebron is a black hole on offense, yet you can talk about him without being completely suck into his void.
[QUOTE=j3lademaster;14582876]The only person who had Curry top 5 was 3ball. And if we're strictly talking about the regular season, then yeah, Curry has a great case for the goat offensive impact.[/QUOTE]
If you want to say curry had goat offensive impact for the regular season that's fine but that wasn't what was implied. Rrretarrrd3 said best ever which implies playoffs also and we all know that shit ain't true. He's not even the greatest offensive player of his generation. He's not even the greatest offensive player on his team for most of his chips so that shit is just laughable. Curry is a great player no doubt but the only thing he's the greatest at is 3pt shooting.
[QUOTE=Bronbron23;14582893]If you want to say curry had goat offensive impact for the regular season that's fine but that wasn't what was implied. Rrretarrrd3 said best ever which implies playoffs also and we all know that shit ain't true. He's not even the greatest offensive player of his generation. He's not even the greatest offensive player on his team for most of his chips so that shit is just laughable. Curry is a great player no doubt but the only thing he's the greatest at is 3pt shooting.[/QUOTE]
if that is true, I'm just confused as to how the Gobert/Whiteside tandem is looking at a 1-2 deficit while the death lineup is up 3-0.
the death lineup did not lead the team in WS/48 during the regular season, how is that going to just magically change in the playoff, particularly when they are not only playing against playoff teams.