[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14953986]Not surprising, would be like the 5th time you swapped which team you support[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DJMcDonald;14953986]Not surprising, would be like the 5th time you swapped which team you support[/QUOTE]
Find a post of me being a fan of a team outside the Nets
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He's putting on a good performance ATM.
The AK47 comps look very very real. He could be him right now. The room to grow offensively, particularly with the post and passing game is exciting but at worst you have one of the more overall impactful guys around, if not spectacular.
Interested to see what he does against Kentucky.
[QUOTE]Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
Cooper Flagg filled up the boxscore in Duke's blowout win over Army. 13 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals and 2/4 3P in 25 minutes for the projected No. 1 pick.
[url]https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1855053869685846147[/url][/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;wzjfyt_QZWE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzjfyt_QZWE&ab_channel=ACCDigitalNetwork[/video]
6ers or the Bucks
Duke vs. Kentucky tonight. Wonder if Flagg will cramp up again?
Some nice moves off the dribble early on.
Coop with the choke.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14956428]Coop with the choke.[/QUOTE]
Karma for all the flexing and mugging he does after every damn play.
I dont mind when guys do that on occasion after a legitimately big moment. But for gods sake it's every damn made basket now that guys are scowling and ice grillin at the camera and beating their chest.
It's like dude, your basket just made the score 27-22. We're in the first quarter. Maybe keep a little bit more of an even keel at this stage of the game, hm?
[QUOTE=Neal Romer;14956456]Karma for all the flexing and mugging he does after every damn play.
I dont mind when guys do that on occasion after a legitimately big moment. But for gods sake it's every damn made basket now that guys are scowling and ice grillin at the camera and beating their chest.
It's like dude, your basket just made the score 27-22. We're in the first quarter. Maybe keep a little bit more of an even keel at this stage of the game, hm?[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Act like you've been there before!
He otherwise looked good. Quicker off the dribble than I thought he was. Was getting toward the rim in the half-court well. Most impressive to me was his strength, balance, and ability to absorb contact. Went through guys on offense and stonewalled guys in the post and lowering the shoulder driving to the hoop on defense.
He has legitimate upside defending the post against bigger players. That's one aspect where he differs somewhat from Kirilenko. He could be Draymond/Rodman-like in that regard. That gives him another layer of defensive versatility. Small ball 5. Switching onto centers and bigger PFs.
- Post defense on 6'11", 235-pound center Andrew Carr [8:58 to 9:10]
- Absorbs a heavy lowered shoulder on a dribble-drive [8:13 to 8:20]
[video=youtube;S7aFRDqt5MY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7aFRDqt5MY&ab_channel=Cashiggy[/video]
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14956463]He otherwise looked good. Quicker off the dribble than I thought he was. Was getting toward the rim in the half-court well. Most impressive to me was his strength, balance, and ability to absorb contact. Went through guys on offense and stonewalled guys in the post and lowering the shoulder driving to the hoop on defense.
He has legitimate upside defending the post against bigger players. That's one aspect where he differs somewhat from Kirilenko. He could be Draymond/Rodman-like in that regard. That gives him another layer of defensive versatility. Small ball 5. Switching onto centers and bigger PFs.[/QUOTE]
Looked extremely clutch before those last 2 drives too. I guess that does show a slight weakness: his handle. Needs to shore that up before he looks to be the go-to ISO guy at the end of games. Particularly on the spin move. His footwork is really good but doesn't have the handle to match. Seemed to lose it a couple times spinning.
But yea his strength in the post was very surprising. That combined with his instantaneous switching and awareness leads me to believe that he's going to be an absolutely elite defensive player. Hell..he already is.
God i really hope my Nets start losing games
I'm salivating at the thought of Flagg in a Nets jersey
[QUOTE=Manny98;14956501]God i really hope my Nets start losing games
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:roll:
Make up your mind, bro.
It isn't just Flagg. Granted he seems to be the clear number 1 but it looks like there are several guys in this draft which would have gone number 1 easily in the last draft.
Cooper's college averages look relatively similar to his senior year at Montverde four games in:
- 16.3 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 4.0 apg, 2.0 spg, 1.8 bpg, 2.5 topg
- 44.2% FG, 22.2% 3PT, 55.9% 2PT, 48.1% eFG, 78.9% FT, 53.3% TS
- +12.9 BPM (+4.8 OBPM; +8.1 DBPM)
He's leading the team in all five of the major counting stats. It's just his three-point shooting letting him down so far. Adjust it to 39% 3PT and his scoring goes up to 18.6 ppg and 61.5% TS.
I've been impressed with the defensive rebounding. Flagg is giving me Shawn Marion/Gerald Wallace vibes as a strong rebounder relative to his position. Marion was getting 8-11 rebounds in his prime regardless of whether he was the SF or PF. It's that quick two-footed leaping and strong length/reach; those qualities also make for strong finishing in the paint.
[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;14957666]
I've been impressed with the defensive rebounding. Flagg is giving me [B]Shawn Marion/Gerald Wallace vibes[/B] as a strong rebounder relative to his position. Marion was getting 8-11 rebounds in his prime regardless of whether he was the SF or PF. It's that quick two-footed leaping and strong length/reach; those qualities also make for strong finishing in the paint.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely this. I could see him hitting 20ppg in his prime, ala Ron Artest, but he's not polished enough with his handle/off-dribble game to be a lead scorer. Both of the guys you mention have a couple of NBA 1st team type years when you look at impact stats like adjusted On/Off. The problem is that type of player has to play hard and athletic to make their impact...how long can they do that? Gerald Wallace was making a huge impact, but hurting himself and others. Injuries started getting to Marion in his prime too.
[QUOTE=ralph_i_el;14957972]Absolutely this. I could see him hitting 20ppg in his prime, ala Ron Artest, but he's not polished enough with his handle/off-dribble game to be a lead scorer. Both of the guys you mention have a couple of NBA 1st team type years when you look at impact stats like adjusted On/Off. The problem is that type of player has to play hard and athletic to make their impact...how long can they do that? Gerald Wallace was making a huge impact, but hurting himself and others. Injuries started getting to Marion in his prime too.[/QUOTE]
Facts. The upside hinges on the ball handling and shooting.
I think his handle is fine, especially for his age. Problem is that in college the lane is congested so he doesn't have a lot of space to operate.
Big game matchup tonight vs Arizona
Game starts soon.
He got it done this time.
:applause:
Put on a clinic against a top team in Arizona
Dominated on both sides of the ball, looking like a Caucasian Kevin Garnett out there :bowdown:
My Nets just lost again :rockon:
I see us being a bottom 3 team alongside Washington and Utah which gives us a 14% chance of the number 1 pick
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Let's take Brandon Ingram and make him worse in every way = Cooper Flagg
[QUOTE=3ba11;14958835]Let's take Brandon Ingram and make him worse in every way = Cooper Flagg[/QUOTE]
Lol what? Other than being the same height, they have almost no similarities as players.
[QUOTE=Manny98;14958800]Put on a clinic against a top team in Arizona
Dominated on both sides of the ball, looking like a Caucasian Kevin Garnett out there :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
He plays more like a smaller AD to me than KG.
The defensive, and overall, instincts for a 17 year old is pretty special.
Good 2nd half after a slow start. Struggled to finish after contact which is typical at 17. Good activity on defense.
As usual 3ball is clueless :lol
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958854]
Lol what? Other than being the same height,
[B]they have almost no similarities as players[/B].
[/QUOTE]
It only seems that way because Ingram does everything a lot better.
Ingram's handle is far superior.. He's quicker... he's more athletic and better shooter... Better playmaker too... Simply a better talent and I remember him tracking very high when he was at Kentucky - he was considered a prodigal talent and almost a 2nd coming of AD...
Otoh, Flagg is mostly hype - he can't beat defenders via blow-by and needs too many counters.. Unless his jumper is infact Larry Bird, feel free to bookmark this post... I wish you guys would've bookmarked all my posts about ingram, Cade, Wemby and others.. Sure I was wrong about curry, but that's why I consider him to be so great.. Btw, you guys were all wrong about Ingram, but you don't remember this.. Btw, Flagg has baby hands, while Bird had big-man hands, so I doubt their jumpers are similar..
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[QUOTE=tontoz;14958856]Good 2nd half after a slow start. Struggled to finish after contact which is typical at 17. Good activity on defense.
As usual 3ball is clueless :lol[/QUOTE]
you guys were all wrong about Ingram in 2019 - I was the only one that thought he was an all-star talent when he was playing alongside Lebron, while you guys thought he wasn't enough help and thought Kuzma was better.
[QUOTE=3ba11;14958858]It only seems that way because Ingram does everything a lot better.
Ingram's handle is far superior.. He's quicker... he's more athletic and better shooter... Better playmaker too... Simply a better talent [B]and I remember him tracking very high when he was at Kentucky[/B] - he was considered a prodigal talent and almost a 2nd coming of AD...
Otoh, Flagg is mostly hype - he can't beat defenders via blow-by and needs too many counters.. Unless his jumper is infact Larry Bird, feel free to bookmark this post... I wish you guys would've bookmarked all my posts about ingram, Cade, Wemby and others.. Sure I was wrong about curry, but that's why I consider him to be so great.. Btw, you guys were all wrong about Ingram, but you don't remember this.[/QUOTE]
Good memory :lol
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958861]Good memory :lol[/QUOTE]
When you focus on typos, you miss the substance..
Ingram was considered a 2nd-coming of AD and does everything MUCH better than Flagg - you'll see - it will be just another thing you're wrong about - you guys never make great predictions like I did with Wemby, Ant, Ingram, Cade, and more
you don't think it's interesting that you're claiming Flagg doesn't play like Ingram when Ingram is someone you guys were dead wrong about and didn't understand his game at all? (and don't understand anyone's game, like Lebron's for example)... carry on
[QUOTE=3ba11;14958862]When you focus on typos, you miss the substance..
Ingram was considered a 2nd-coming of AD and does everything MUCH better than Flagg - you'll see - it will be just another thing you're wrong about - you guys never make great predictions like I did with Wemby, Ant, Ingram, Cade, and more[/QUOTE]
You don’t even remember where he went to school. How we supposed to believe that you remember anything about him as a player coming out :lol
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958863]You don’t even remember where he went to school. How we supposed to believe that you remember anything about him as a player coming out :lol[/QUOTE]
I know his game, while you don't and were wrong about him
But congrats on knowing where he went to school
[QUOTE=3ba11;14958864]I know his game, while you don't and were wrong about him
But congrats on knowing where he went to school[/QUOTE]
College basketball is one of my favorite sports and I make it a point in particular to watch most games of top prospects, i.e Brandon Ingram.
In college, I remember him being a tall, lanky great-shooting wing with a smooth handle and solid passing skills. He was a huge question mark defensively though and didn't have much of a motor overall. Still hasn't figured those parts out.
He played nothing like Cooper Flagg...and certainly not like AD.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958868]College basketball is one of my favorite sports and I make it a point in particular to watch most games of top prospects, i.e Brandon Ingram.
In college, I remember him being a tall, lanky great-shooting wing with a smooth handle and solid passing skills. He was a huge question mark defensively though and didn't have much of a motor overall. Still hasn't figured those parts out.
He played nothing like Cooper Flagg...and certainly not like AD.[/QUOTE]
You were wrong about Ingram in 2019 and didn't think he would be good, yet now you're lying saying you thought he was good and understand his game?
People in 2024 have such low character and social media did it - no one can concede and the worst thing is that people like you don't do your research and make me teach you everything.
Ingram and Flagg have the same objective, game and moves once they catch the ball, except Ingram is just more talented and skilled in literally every way - he's a better shooter, dribbler, playmaker, athlete, dunker - literally everything.. The stuff that Cooper finishes with a layup, Ingram is tomahawking with 2 hands and making it look easy - Flagg ain't got it like that.. I don't think he will be as good as Gordon Hayward and he projects to be a little better than Chandler Parsons...
So you’d expect Brandon Ingram the be the number one pick in this draft?
He played more like Ace Bailey than Flagg.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958880]So you’d expect Brandon Ingram the be the number one pick in this draft?
He played more like Ace Bailey than Flagg.[/QUOTE]
Ingram was just scraping his athletic potential and had so much more upside than Flagg - he wouldn't need to be #1 to be a better player in the short or long-run than Flagg or other guys in this draft...
Flagg is slow and his numbers reflect a complete and mature bag, while Ingram was a more talented athlete and his numbers reflected a budding bag...
Flagg can't blow by guys, which is an issue since his jumper doesn't smack of Bird or Dirk.. Flagg is working harder out there than Ingram and I already see instances where he's forced to lay it up (but it was a dunk in HS) - Ingram was still dunking everything in college that he dunked in HS (and pretty much in the league too)...
Yes, Flagg does work harder. On both ends. Ingram still doesn’t work hard. He literally hasn’t changed or improved as a player in like 7 years.
I can’t decide what’s funnier about this conversation though.
1. That we wouldn’t be having it if Ingram didn’t play 40 something games with Lebron 6 years ago or..
2. That Cade Cunningham is outperforming him in pretty much every number and metric there is :lol
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;14958890]Yes, Flagg does work harder. On both ends. Ingram still doesn’t work hard. He literally hasn’t changed or improved as a player in like 7 years.
I can’t decide what’s funnier about this conversation though.
1. That we wouldn’t be having it if Ingram didn’t play 40 something games with Lebron 6 years ago or..
2. That Cade Cunningham is outperforming him in pretty much every number and metric there is :lol[/QUOTE]
We're talking about Ingram because he compares to Cooper Flagg, except he's a more athletic, better ball-handling, better jumpshooting, and better bag... better skills and athleticism.
And a 16-game sample compared to their entire careers thus far (Ingram vs Cade)?.... nice try