TRADE: Luka Doncic to Lakers, Anthony Davis to Mavericks

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14974298]The more I think about it, I feel like this really clears a path for Lebron to GSW. As Nowoco( think that's the name) reminded me, he has a no trade clause. Getting Luka to build around is a great future move but doesn't move LA any closer to a chip this year with how much worse they are defensively now. The Warriors are pretty much stuck in neutral, and Lebron pairing with Steph for like a last hurrah and chance at a title is pretty compelling.

At the macro level, the NBA gets a much needed shot in the arm in ratings if the above materializes in some way.[/QUOTE]


So why couldnt they just do that without taking luka from Dallas :oldlol::cry:

I told you guys it was rigged

Let's look at the facts:

The NBA allows the Lakers to heist AD... Now they coordinate a 5 team deal that gets Luka frieking Doncic... Sandwiched in between the AD and Luka scams are 5 times the transaction activity and 3 times the FT differential.. And the media ignored the DEA catching Lebron's bestie and trainer accessing the premium black market for PED's... Of course, the "decision" means this fraud has been going on for 15 years lol

So fellas, how does it feel to fall for the biggest fraud in sports history?

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;14974302]So why couldnt they just do that without taking luka from Dallas :oldlol::cry:[/QUOTE]

Who are you referring to as 'they' here, as I have a few talking points above. 'They' as in the NBA increasing ratings? Well you're going to have your tin-foil hat stuff in something of this magnitude. I take it all with tablespoons of salt. But the NBA is no doubt looking at the potential storylines and increased interest frothing at the mouth. The league would be very agreeable to the idea of Luka as a Bron replacement on the Lakers. Adam Silver is smiling this morning.

[QUOTE=3ba11;14974304]I told you guys it was rigged

Let's look at the facts:

The NBA allows the Lakers to heist AD... Now they coordinate a 5 team deal that gets Luka frieking Doncic... Sandwiched in between the AD and Luka scams are 5 times the transaction activity and 3 times the FT differential.. And the media ignored the DEA catching Lebron's bestie and trainer accessing the premium black market for PED's... Of course, the "decision" means this fraud has been going on for 15 years lol

So fellas, how does it feel to fall for the biggest fraud in sports history?[/QUOTE]

Hey crazy person this doesn't help LeBron or the Lakers get better right now. Shut it.

The bigger story is what is going on with Dallas and Luka for them to trade Luka. What don’t we know? The poor conditioning can’t be the end all be all. Wish I was a fly on the wall when talks of them deciding to move on from Luka were made.

[QUOTE=Wardell Curry;14974297]I suspect? that LA gets worse short term. Maybe Dallas does too but they have more potential to get better short term depending on chemistry.

Lakers need to dump LeBron, if they can.[/QUOTE]

LeBron with the NTC plus says he's ecstatic get to play with Doncic

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;14974316]LeBron with the NTC plus says he's ecstatic get to play with Doncic[/QUOTE]


We already saw Lebron with Westbrook so get ready for 2.0

So this was a move for the future, not now.

This was a brilliant move by the Lakers to secure their future

[QUOTE=GOBB;14974314]The bigger story is what is going on with Dallas and Luka for them to trade Luka. What don’t we know? The poor conditioning can’t be the end all be all. Wish I was a fly on the wall when talks of them deciding to move on from Luka were made.[/QUOTE]

[video=youtube;nuC-0xWawxg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuC-0xWawxg&ab_channel=NBAonESPN[/video]

[QUOTE=Phoenix;14974323][video=youtube;nuC-0xWawxg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuC-0xWawxg&ab_channel=NBAonESPN[/video][/QUOTE]

So they think Luka is overrated. Yikes

[QUOTE=3ba11;14974321]We already saw Lebron with Westbrook so get ready for 2.0

So this was a move for the future, not now.

This was a brilliant move by the Lakers to secure their future[/QUOTE]

Who’s we? You said you don’t watch todays NBA.

So the Mavs just aqcuired the best player in the league and traded a loser ballhogger to LA? Kyrie and AD together? Damn, its a sure win for the Mavs now…

Defense is half the game and Doncic is bad at it. Fans have been ignoring that fact but that fact remains a fact.

But sportscenter is bringing up a valid point. They likely could have gotten a better package than they did. Doncic may have gotten overrated but for trade value that's a good thing. Could they have gotten Chet Holmgren and Jalen Williams? Brunson and Towns? Giannis? Maxey and Embiid (ok, maybe they don't want Embiid)? Doncic value is massive, definitely top 5 trade value maybe even top 3. They may have dealt with him as of it was just top 10.

The question being asked a lot is "why didnt the Mavs shop him?". My theory on this is that the Mavs didnt want to trade Luka as much as they wanted AD. If the Lakers didnt bite for any reason or asked for too much, they would have kept it quiet and moved on, without Luka knowing about it. They believe that AD is the final piece of the jigsaw, can make them win right now and was attainable.

They were right about the latter, we'll see if they're right about the former.

Jesus, what in the actual f[i]u[/i]ck? I've never been so dumbstruck by a trade in my life.

That is a mistake for the Mavs make no doubt about it. They just went to the Finals and I honestly had them going back again. They were the one team that seemed to have an answer for OKC.

This is more disappointing than KD to the Warriors or Lebron to Miami for me. Senseless and ridiculous. Oh and congratulations to the Mavs who for all we know just alienated Kyrie as well who has already proven time and time again to be extremely fickle. You've just constructed an entire team around AD. You better hope he doesn't turn back to Day-to-Davis. I like him but wtf?

Dallas isn't winning shit with AD. They made the Finals last season because of Luka.

[QUOTE=Proctor;14974338]Jesus, what in the actual f[i]u[/i]ck? I've never been so dumbstruck by a trade in my life.

That is a mistake for the Mavs make no doubt about it. They just went to the WCF and I honestly had them going as far or farther this year.. They were the one team that seemed to have an answer for OKC.[/QUOTE]

Nice edit. :lol

Trading Luka is one thing. But he absolutely should've gotten a better haul than injury prone Anthony Davis and 1 pick. Just a ludicrous, all-time atrocious trade for the Mavs.

Baffling.

Mavs will be a good team though in the short term. Both Kyrie and AD are aging, and they didn't get a haul of picks to build for the future, so essentially they're banking on winning a ring this year which is optimistic bordering on delusional.

Once again the underperforming Lakers get bailed out before the end of the trade deadline. :roll:

3ball called it.

No excuses now. Tell me they're not title favorites.

[QUOTE=GOBB;14974314]The bigger story is what is going on with Dallas and Luka for them to trade Luka. What don’t we know? The poor conditioning can’t be the end all be all. Wish I was a fly on the wall when talks of them deciding to move on from Luka were made.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the bottom line is that Dallas gave up on Luka. We will probably find out the details in time it is hard to keep something like that quiet.

The Mavs will still be a very good team but exactly which one of their players is going to assert themselves enough to dominate a series like Luka does routinely?

This also makes the Lakers roster a bit of a clusterfvck. Is Reaves not redundant with Luka? Why not try to turn Reaves into a haul now?

lol what an absolute shitshow. How do you drastically improve the Mavs roster after a Finals run and then trade your generational talent away...after all that effort to put the 100% perfect roleplayers around him. Thompson, Washington, Lively, Gafford. Most teams are never fortunate enough to build a roster that complementary of eachother.

The balls to pull that trade if you're Nico...jesus christ.

mavs are retarded for this, do they know AD is 31, injury prone and on the tail end of his career? luka is only 25 wtf, they just gave the lakers a future lmao. :lol

lebron and luka about to win 1-2 more, for the culture. :pimp:

luka is reportedly 270lbs and not conditioned, which is insane right now for a guard; lebron is about to show him how it's done & be the best shape of his life, peak luka incoming.

[video=youtube;-q61ag1BWP0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q61ag1BWP0[/video]

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;14974332]Defense is half the game and Doncic is bad at it. Fans have been ignoring that fact but that fact remains a fact.

But sportscenter is bringing up a valid point. They likely could have gotten a better package than they did. Doncic may have gotten overrated but for trade value that's a good thing. Could they have gotten Chet Holmgren and Jalen Williams? Brunson and Towns? Giannis? Maxey and Embiid (ok, maybe they don't want Embiid)? Doncic value is massive, definitely top 5 trade value maybe even top 3. They may have dealt with him as of it was just top 10.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think Luka value is that great tho. Maxey & Embiid? Nah. Not for a player who is a horrific defensively. Luka for Embiid is fair value. And chances of Luka improving defensively may never happen.

[QUOTE=Keno;14974354]luka is reportedly 270lbs and not conditioned, which is insane right now for a guard; lebron is about to show him how it's done & be the best shape of his life, peak luka incoming.[/QUOTE]

I was watching Luka rookie highlights a month ago and forgot how skinny he was( compared to now).

[QUOTE=Full Court;14974344]Once again the underperforming Lakers get bailed out before the end of the trade deadline. :roll:

3ball called it.

No excuses now. Tell me they're not title favorites.[/QUOTE]

They just lot someone you proclaimed as a top 5 player. And the best player in the team.

I guess if Luka is the size of Kenneth Lofton and still refuses to do anything about it, causing his injuries all the time, the trade makes some sense. I think even an out of shape, missing 1/4 or even 1/2 the season Luka is still a more championship level talent than just about anyone they could get for him though.

Do I think the Mavs are in a better position now to win a championship...I don't see it...but they will have a very good and unique team. Just realized they will have AD/Lively/Gafford. Damn that's a grueling, physical frontcourt, and I hope they keep it together and don't just start shipping them out. If the Mavs can unlock Davis like Lakers fans thought Redick had in his early coaching games, Mavs may actually be scary. That is, if they don't alienate Kyrie like they probably already have.

In other news the Nuggets are trading Jokic for Adebayo. :lol

This is why the Lakers are so hated, they always seem to get other team's superstars. Dumb move by Dallas even if Luka's physical conditioning is a concern, especially as he ages. Best move LA could make is trading Lebron now.

[QUOTE=TheMan;14974366]This is why the Lakers are so hated, they always seem to get other team's superstars. Dumb move by Dallas even if Luka's physical conditioning is a concern, especially as he ages. Best move LA could make is trading Lebron now.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=GOBB;14974359]I don’t think Luka value is that great tho. Maxey & Embiid? Nah. Not for a player who is a horrific defensively. Luka for Embiid is fair value. And chances of Luka improving defensively may never happen.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Luka for Embiid is fair value even though Embiid is 5 years older with zero postseason success, and insanely injury prone.

:roll:

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14974339]Dallas isn't winning shit with AD. They made the Finals last season because of Luka.[/QUOTE]

There's very little chance that would've happened again seeing as how the road will be tougher this year than kawhi less clippers, baby OKC, and Timberwolves. Thunder are hitting their prime now and Denver looks amazing.

Luka is fat and out of shape and literally out hurt right now. While AD has been having a monster season. Dallas can load manage him a lot more too because they have Gafford and Lively. Defense is about to take off. They have no weak link anymore and the best paint / rim defense in the league.

Luka is a fat sloppy fu*k.... like Zion in New Orleans.

nobody wins this trade!

What a strange trade.

Unless the Lakers make another big move, they just got WAY WORSE in the short term. They already have Bron/Reaves for ball handling, so Luka is redundant AND now the Lakers just lost their ONLY good interior defender/rebounder. Lakers with Luka/Reaves/Bron/Rui/Hayes will be a bottom 3 defense in the league and also bottom 3 at rebounding. They are doing absolutely nothing the rest of the year competition-wise if this is the roster for the rest of the year.

Honestly seems like a crazy blow to Bron too, he's about to retire and the Lakers just said "no more competing for a ring, also we just brought in your replacement".

It's a weird trade from the Mavs perspective too, but at least I could potentially see some benefit since AD brings a lot of different value than Luka and now the Mavericks don't have to pay Luka a huge sum of money when he has conditioning issues and potentially a lot more nagging injuries coming up in his career.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14974369]Yeah, Luka for Embiid is fair value even though Embiid is 5 years older with zero postseason success, and insanely injury prone.

:roll:[/QUOTE]


*scrolls*

What post season success does Luka have exactly? First rd exits until last season.


Injury prone? The guy is a fat American and he’s not American. Explain that to me.

Defense? About as non existent as Embiid in a back to back.


When you list the top 5 players in the NBA past 2-3 seasons Luka and Embiid are mentioned. How you rank them? That is on you. Both aren’t winners of anything besides stats and accolades. One is younger and competed with Zion on the scale. The other compete with Anthony Davis in the training room.

Preference and personal bias aside. Luka vslue is not more than Embiid. Certainly not Maxey and Embiid.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14974065]:roll:

Holy shit, why would the Mavs do this????

[B][SIZE=4]Obviously Luka & LeBron is a weird fit[/SIZE][/B], but he's about to retire. Luka is top 5 player in the league and entering his peak[/QUOTE]

Maybe the Lakers are expecting Lebron to go down for the Diddy thing. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=Nowoco;14974334]The question being asked a lot is "why didnt the Mavs shop him?". My theory on this is that the Mavs didnt want to trade Luka as much as they wanted AD. If the Lakers didnt bite for any reason or asked for too much, they would have kept it quiet and moved on, without Luka knowing about it. They believe that AD is the final piece of the jigsaw, can make them win right now and was attainable.

They were right about the latter, we'll see if they're right about the former.[/QUOTE]

AD is underrated because the lebronies want to act as if Lebron is the best player.

AD at his best is definitely a Finals MVP player.

You can draft 5 times and still not get someone as good.

[QUOTE=GOBB;14974395]*scrolls*

What post season success does Luka have exactly? First rd exits until last season.


Injury prone? The guy is a fat American and he’s not American. Explain that to me.

Defense? About as non existent as Embiid in a back to back.


When you list the top 5 players in the NBA past 2-3 seasons Luka and Embiid are mentioned. How you rank them? That is on you. Both aren’t winners of anything besides stats and accolades. One is younger and competed with Zion on the scale. The other compete with Anthony Davis in the training room.

Preference and personal bias aside. Luka vslue is not more than Embiid. Certainly not Maxey and Embiid.[/QUOTE]

Luka averages 31/9/8 in his playoff career and has multiple conference title visits and a finals run at the age of 25 with rosters nobody expected to make it that far.

Embiid, otoh, has a long resume of being injury prone and one of the biggest playoff disappointments in NBA history.

There is not a single educated NBA fan on the planet who thinks a Luka for Embiid trade is "fair value".

[QUOTE=GOBB;14974359]I don’t think Luka value is that great tho. Maxey & Embiid? Nah. Not for a player who is a horrific defensively. Luka for Embiid is fair value. And chances of Luka improving defensively may never happen.[/QUOTE]

We will never know because Dallas targeted Davis instead of opening up the bidding. But if opinions in front office are similar to opinions we see on this board they're would be a lot of GMs that think Doncic is the most talented player in the league. Everyone won't have that view but they only needed one GM with major assets to think that way.

[QUOTE=GOBB;14974395]*scrolls*

[B]What post season success does Luka have exactly? First rd exits until last season[/B].


Injury prone? The guy is a fat American and he’s not American. Explain that to me.

Defense? About as non existent as Embiid in a back to back.


When you list the top 5 players in the NBA past 2-3 seasons Luka and Embiid are mentioned. How you rank them? That is on you. Both aren’t winners of anything besides stats and accolades. One is younger and competed with Zion on the scale. The other compete with Anthony Davis in the training room.

Preference and personal bias aside. Luka vslue is not more than Embiid. Certainly not Maxey and Embiid.[/QUOTE]


He didnt do this to the number 1 seed Phoenix Suns in 2022 en route to a conference finals?

[video=youtube_share;BsPAVSm2lhs]https://youtu.be/BsPAVSm2lhs?si=gfR1LQt_FkaGIfTI[/video]


Whatever else you wanna say about Luka, the one thing thats undeniable is he has been a playoff KILLER.

Thats not up for dispute between sane individuals.

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14974403]Luka averages 31/9/8 in his playoff career and has multiple conference title visits and a finals run at the age of 25 with rosters nobody expected to make it that far.

Embiid, otoh, has a long resume of being injury prone and one of the biggest playoff disappointments in NBA history.

There is not a single educated NBA fan on the planet who thinks a Luka for Embiid trade is "fair value".[/QUOTE]

The start of your post proves my point. Neither player accomplished any success outside of stats and accolades lol

“Luka carried Dallas to the finals”.

They beat Clippers without its best player.
They beat up on the youngest team in the playoffs
Kudos on the Wolves series

They got a dose of reality vs the Celtics. And one of the things they LACKED in that series they gained in a trade. Go figure that


But continue with the cute espn stat takes “first player to take team at age 25 with 25% body fat to the nba finals while avg over 27ppg”. Kewl!

I don’t care what fans on the planet think. Somehow you know what they think. What a fascinating skill you possess. Why are you here and not on Forbes? You’re sitting on a lottery ticket and afraid to cash in.


You don’t have to agree with me that embiid and Luka is fair value. But here is a fact? Ready for this? Luka was just traded for Anthony Davis. Yikes. That happened. But I’m crazy to think embiid and Luka is for value. Got it.