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[QUOTE=Baller234;15007188]Cheney lied us to into a WAR you say? Geez, that sounds pretty bad.
When has Orange Face ever lied us into a war?[/QUOTE]
He's bombing Yemen and threatening war with Iran.
He's still got time...
To be fair, I will give Trump major props if he reigns in Netanyahu though, I would even praise him because it's a genocide in Gaza and it's unforgivable that Biden never even tried to stop it, if Trump does, big ups on that front.
[QUOTE=TheMan;15007196]He's bombing Yemen and threatening war with Iran.
He's still got time...
To be fair, I will give Trump major props if he reigns in Netanyahu though, I would even praise him because it's a genocide in Gaza and it's unforgivable that Biden never even tried to stop it, if Trump does, big ups on that front.[/QUOTE]
Oh he's threatening a war? That's interesting. Has he started one?
I didn't ask if Trump bombed another country. Every president has bombed another country. It comes with the territory when you're a world superpower. I didn't ask if he started a war either.
I asked you when did Trump ever take our country to war over a LIE.
Please, provide me an example.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15007198]Oh he's threatening a war? That's interesting. Has he started one?
I didn't ask if Trump bombed another country. Every president has bombed another country. It comes with the territory when you're a world superpower. I didn't ask if he started a war either.
I asked you when did Trump ever take our country to war over a LIE.
Please, provide me an example.[/QUOTE]
He hasn't...yet.
And if he doesn't during his second term, I'll admit it and believe me, I wouldn't mind eating crow on that one, we need new wars like we need a hole on our heads.
[QUOTE=TheMan;15007202]He hasn't...yet.
And if he doesn't during his second term, I'll admit it and believe me, I wouldn't mind eating crow on that one, we need new wars like we need a hole on our heads.[/QUOTE]
Wtf??
So then if Trump hasn't done what Cheney has done, in what way are they equal? How is Trump not the lesser evil?
Hard to compare Trump to anyone else because one of his main negatives is the social divide he has created and he was able to achieve that because of his bloated ego and taking to social media. Cheney was awful obviously, but he would have been a non-factor in the culture war and doesn't care to take to Twitter and has no Trumpian ego. Their both bad in different ways.
Cheney is basically just known for being a war criminal, and I will say that is probably worse than the US culture divide assuming we don't go into an actual civil war.
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15007217]Hard to compare Trump to anyone else because one of his main negatives is the social divide he has created and he was able to achieve that because of his bloated ego and taking to social media. Cheney was awful obviously, but he would have been a non-factor in the culture war and doesn't care to take to Twitter and has no Trumpian ego. Their both bad in different ways.
Cheney is basically just known for being a war criminal, and I will say that is probably worse than the US culture divide assuming we don't go into an actual civil war.[/QUOTE]
To be fair I agree that Trump has been divisive, but that's mainly because the other half of the country that hates him is delusional and despises America. It's no surprise that his bravado and his attitude would offend the wokesters and the commies.
We were always divided, we just didn't know it. Trump just lured the vampires into the sun.
if you don't think there's any difference between trump and a classical neocon...
[video=youtube;UkkPRt8KzuY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkkPRt8KzuY[/video]
cheney would be quick to say *uck you and your social safety nets.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15007223]To be fair I agree that Trump has been divisive, but that's mainly because the other half of the country that hates him is delusional and despises America. It's no surprise that his bravado and his attitude would offend the wokesters and the commies.
We were always divided, we just didn't know it. Trump just lured the vampires into the sun.[/QUOTE]
It is a massive flaw for any leader, you're supposed to unite whatever it is you are leading. Great leaders put their ego aside and unite everyone. If an NBA coach pitted half of the team against the other then the team would implode. They literally wouldn't be a "team".
It’s perfectly reasonable to say Cheney is worse than Trump. The problem is we remember you guys sucking Cheney’s dick too, we haven’t forgotten. Now you want to pretend you didn’t love him and W.
[QUOTE=TheMan;15007196]He's bombing Yemen and threatening war with Iran.
He's still got time...
To be fair, I will give Trump major props if he reigns in Netanyahu though, I would even praise him because it's a genocide in Gaza and it's unforgivable that Biden never even tried to stop it, if Trump does, big ups on that front.[/QUOTE]
Another use of the term "genocide"
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=RRR3;15007239]It’s perfectly reasonable to say Cheney is worse than Trump. The problem is we remember you guys sucking Cheney’s dick too, we haven’t forgotten. Now you want to pretend you didn’t love him and W.[/QUOTE]
ish was a thing 00-08? you were like five years old, if that.
[QUOTE=RRR3;15007239]It’s perfectly reasonable to say Cheney is worse than Trump. The problem is we remember you guys sucking Cheney’s dick too, we haven’t forgotten. Now you want to pretend you didn’t love him and W.[/QUOTE]
So if Cheney is worse than Trump, and he endorsed Harris, doesn't that mean you're on the worse side? :oldlol:
Trump rose to prominence in the primaries bashing the W administration and bashing the Bush family, so obviously they weren't that popular with voters or else Trump's strategy would have failed. The people had enough.
MAGA aren't the ones being hypocrites here. Democrats used to swear up and down that Dick Cheney was the devil himself, but just a few months ago they were totally giddy when it came to bragging about his and his daughter's endorsement. Apparently when it comes to team blue all past sins are forgiven if you come out against Donald Trump.
Which is very weird because you just said Cheney is worse.
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15007233]It is a massive flaw for any leader, you're supposed to unite whatever it is you are leading. Great leaders put their ego aside and unite everyone. If an NBA coach pitted half of the team against the other then the team would implode. They literally wouldn't be a "team".[/QUOTE]
That's not really a perfect analogy.
If we were a basketball team and Trump was the coach, it would be like half the team being angry at him for wanting to feed the ball to our best player. What is a coach supposed to do when half the team is totally beyond the pale and won't listen to reason?
Take illegal immigration for example. Trump said this was a huge problem back in 2015, but democrats fought him tooth and nail on it for 9 years and opposed him every step of the way. When millions of illegals were pouring in totally unscreened, democrats saw nothing wrong with it. If you dared to mention it you were either a conspiracy theorist or a racist bigot.
So how is Trump supposed to entertain that half of the country? The half that doesn't follow logic and is totally caught up in hating Trump above all else.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15007315]That's not really a perfect analogy.
If we were a basketball team and Trump was the coach, it would be like half the team being angry at him for wanting to feed the ball to our best player. [B]What is a coach supposed to do when half the team is totally beyond the pale and won't listen to reason?[/B]
Take illegal immigration for example. Trump said this was a huge problem back in 2015, but democrats fought him tooth and nail on it for 9 years and opposed him every step of the way. When millions of illegals were pouring in totally unscreened, democrats saw nothing wrong with it. If you dared to mention it you were either a conspiracy theorist or a racist bigot.
So how is Trump supposed to entertain that half of the country? The half that doesn't follow logic and is totally caught up in hating Trump above all else.[/QUOTE]
Not rage at them, not call them lunatics daily, not divide them even more, etc. Trump can't make an Easter tweet without making it about "far left lunatics". No other modern day POTUS has been like that. Was Obama calling you a dumb hick? No it would have turned you into more of an extremist.
Also blaming half the country for something isn't even feasible. "It's not Trump, half the country is just nuts!". If that many people feel a certain way there is something to it.
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15007233]It is a massive flaw for any leader, you're supposed to unite whatever it is you are leading. Great leaders put their ego aside and unite everyone. If an NBA coach pitted half of the team against the other then the team would implode. They literally wouldn't be a "team".[/QUOTE]
The main thing Biden ran on in 2020 was uniting the country. He did the exact opposite by showing he cared more about illegals than he did U.S citizens
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15007233]It is a massive flaw for any leader, you're supposed to unite whatever it is you are leading. Great leaders put their ego aside and unite everyone. If an NBA coach pitted half of the team against the other then the team would implode. They literally wouldn't be a "team".[/QUOTE]
The main thing Biden ran on in 2020 was uniting the country. He did the exact opposite by showing he cared more about illegals than he did U.S citizens
[QUOTE=Off the Court;15007319]Not rage at them, not call them lunatics daily, not divide them even more, etc. Trump can't make an Easter tweet without making it about "far left lunatics". No other modern day POTUS has been like that. Was Obama calling you a dumb hick? No it would have turned you into more of an extremist.
Also blaming half the country for something isn't even feasible. "It's not Trump, half the country is just nuts!". If that many people feel a certain way there is something to it.[/QUOTE]
Hillary called Trump supporters "deplorables" while she was running for president. Biden called them "garbage". During this last election cycle when Obama saw that Harris was struggling to gain ground with black men, he swooped in and basically called them insecure sexists who couldn't stomach voting for a woman.
I also vividly remember Biden addressing the nation in the months after the vaccine, and he told the unvaccinated that his "patience was wearing thin". What does that mean? What happens once you run out of patience? Was that a threat?
So yea, you can stop trying to pretend that democrats are holier than thou. You guys called Trump and his voters every name in the book and hurled every dehumanizing label you could. But god forbid we call you guys crazy nutbags for the number of insane shit you guys support. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15007323]The main thing Biden ran on in 2020 was uniting the country. He did the exact opposite by showing he cared more about illegals than he did U.S citizens[/QUOTE]
I'm starting to think OTC is a glutton for punishment. Every debate he partakes in is the same.
> OTC cites alternative facts and says something blatantly untrue or hypocritical
> User responds and corrects him, citing his false information
> OTC doubles down as if his entire argument wasn't just dismantled
> OTC starts new debate citing new alternative facts
It's an endless cycle.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15007344]I'm starting to think OTC is a glutton for punishment. Every debate he partakes in is the same.
> OTC cites alternative facts and says something blatantly untrue or hypocritical
> User responds and corrects him, citing his false information
> OTC doubles down as if his entire argument wasn't just dismantled
> OTC starts new debate citing new alternative facts
It's an endless cycle.[/QUOTE]
OTC and Gates apparently have made a side hustle of wandering to thread to thread while getting absolutely blown the **** out.
Its pretty wild tbh :lol
@rrr3 @TheMan
trump vs netanyahu:
- circumvented netanyahu on doing a deal with the houthis.
- went against the wishes of netanyahu on attacking iran.
- circumvented netanyahu on getting the final american hostage freed.
this is just so far. credit where credit is due or not? what did biden do, ever to stand up to bibi?
would a necon have done these things if they were in office, rrr3? so trump > neocon or not? still cheney = trump?
[QUOTE=diamenz;15007504]@rrr3 @TheMan
trump vs netanyahu:
- circumvented netanyahu on doing a deal with the houthis.
- went against the wishes of netanyahu on attacking iran.
- circumvented netanyahu on getting the final american hostage freed.
this is just so far. credit where credit is due or not? what did biden do, ever to stand up to bibi?
would a necon have done these things if they were in office, rrr3? so trump > neocon or not? still cheney = trump?[/QUOTE]
@rrr3
yeah i didn't think you had it in you to give credit where credit is due. go ahead and destroy your own credibility and prove that you have no integrity. nobody takes your stupidass seriously around here.
[QUOTE=diamenz;15007504]@rrr3 @TheMan
trump vs netanyahu:
- circumvented netanyahu on doing a deal with the houthis.
- went against the wishes of netanyahu on attacking iran.
- circumvented netanyahu on getting the final american hostage freed.
this is just so far. credit where credit is due or not? what did biden do, ever to stand up to bibi?
would a necon have done these things if they were in office, rrr3? so trump > neocon or not? still cheney = trump?[/QUOTE]
If Trump makes that genocidal Zionist maniac stop, I will gladly give him credit. So far the Zionists continue starving and murdering Palestinian civilians so...
[QUOTE=TheMan;15008449]If Trump makes that genocidal Zionist maniac stop, I will gladly give him credit. So far the Zionists continue starving and murdering Palestinian civilians so...[/QUOTE]
Stop it with the lies and the regurgitation of the same nonsense.
Tell your boys in Hamas to release the hostages and the war is over.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15008470]Stop it with the lies and the regurgitation of the same nonsense.
Tell your boys in Hamas to release the hostages and the war is over.[/QUOTE]
No it isn't.
"We are disassembling Gaza, and leaving it as piles of rubble, with total destruction [which has] no precedent globally. And the world isn't stopping us. There are pressures. There are those who attack [us]; they are trying to [make us] stop; they are not succeeding. You know why they aren't succeeding? Because we are navigating [the campaign] responsibly and wisely, and that's how we'll continue to do [it]."-Smotrich, Israel finance minister.
They're admitting they don't care about Hamas and the goal is just to obliterate the whole region.
The New York Times just did a comprehensive analysis of the 2024 election and it looks like the non-white minorities are joining the ranks of racist Trump voters.
[url]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/05/25/us/politics/trump-politics-democrats.html[/url]
[url]https://x.com/MattGrossmann/status/1926715247643025629?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1926715247643025629%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=[/url]
Extremely alarming trends if you're a democrat. Trump gained ground with every single demographic EXCEPT upper class whites. That was the only group that increased in numbers for democrats. :oldlol:
TheMan can you explain why so many minorities are turning towards Trump? I thought he was supposed to be the racist in this election. Are you saying you're better at detecting racism than they are? Do you think they're just stupid or do you think they're racists as well?
Also, since affluent white people are the only group that democrats managed to make improvements with, are you saying they're smarter and morally superior to everyone else that voted for Trump?
It would be really swell if you can address this.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15009454]The New York Times just did a comprehensive analysis of the 2024 election and it looks like the non-white minorities are joining the ranks of racist Trump voters.
[url]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/05/25/us/politics/trump-politics-democrats.html[/url]
[url]https://x.com/MattGrossmann/status/1926715247643025629?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1926715247643025629%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=[/url]
Extremely alarming trends if you're a democrat. Trump gained ground with every single demographic EXCEPT upper class whites. That was the only group that increased in numbers for democrats. :oldlol:
TheMan can you explain why so many minorities are turning towards Trump? I thought he was supposed to be the racist in this election. Are you saying you're better at detecting racism than they are? Do you think they're just stupid or do you think they're racists as well?
Also, since affluent white people are the only group that democrats managed to make improvements with, are you saying they're smarter and morally superior to everyone else that voted for Trump?
It would be really swell if you can address this.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
There are more idiots than people who think things through...
The End
[QUOTE=TheMan;15009465]There are more idiots than people who think things through...
The End[/QUOTE]
Wow this answer is very revealing.
For one it shows you think very little of these minority voters. So you're saying they're just dumb? You can detect racism but their feeble minds can't? Any non-white minority person that doesn't vote the same way you do is a low IQ idiot? Hmm, that's very interesting. Are you sure you're not racist?
Also, does that mean you think higher of upper class whites? Since they're so on the money when it comes to voting for democrats?
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15007323]The main thing Biden ran on in 2020 was uniting the country. He did the exact opposite by showing he cared more about illegals than he did U.S citizens[/QUOTE]
Trump and his supporters don't want unity.
Their whole brand is division.
[QUOTE=Baller234;15009469]Wow this answer is very revealing.
For one it shows you think very little of these minority voters. So you're saying they're just dumb? You can detect racism but their feeble minds can't? Any non-white minority person that doesn't vote the same way you do is a low IQ idiot? Hmm, that's very interesting. Are you sure you're not racist?
Also, does that mean you think higher of upper class whites? Since they're so on the money when it comes to voting for democrats?[/QUOTE]
NachoMan always steps in his own shit while getting owned :lol
[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15009501]NachoMan always steps in his own shit while getting owned :lol[/QUOTE]
It’s because any of his conclusions and subsequent positions he forms off of them are purely based on emotion rather than critical thinking.
Long story short he’s basically a woman.
[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;15009477]Trump and his supporters don't want unity.
Their whole brand is division.[/QUOTE]
True.
[QUOTE=warriorfan;15009506]It’s because any of his conclusions and subsequent positions he forms off of them are purely based on emotion rather than critical thinking.
Long story short he’s basically a woman.[/QUOTE]
Nah, it's based on facts, example...You're easily one of the dumbest posters here, you're a Trumptard...
See how easy that was?
[QUOTE=Baller234;15009469]Wow this answer is very revealing.
For one it shows you think very little of these minority voters. So you're saying they're just dumb? You can detect racism but their feeble minds can't? Any non-white minority person that doesn't vote the same way you do is a low IQ idiot? Hmm, that's very interesting. Are you sure you're not racist?
Also, does that mean you think higher of upper class whites? Since they're so on the money when it comes to voting for democrats?[/QUOTE]
Like I said, the dumb Hispanics, dumb blacks and dumb rednecks all got together in the last election and their dumb candidate won. And it's not racist to surmise people with higher education will be smarter than a high school dropout, it's not that complicated.
Prove me wrong.
[QUOTE=TheMan;15009791]Like I said, the dumb Hispanics, dumb blacks and dumb rednecks all got together in the last election and their dumb candidate won.
Prove me wrong.[/QUOTE]
Mira Mexicano....sigues hablando estupideces y me vas a encontrar en frente de tu puerta unos de estos dias.
[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing;15009797]Mira Mexicano....sigues hablando estupideces y me vas a encontrar en frente de tu puerta unos de estos dias.[/QUOTE]
In English you fat Cuban gusano. BTW, how did you escape El Salvador, didn't Trump deport your ass along with all them other Cubans?
[QUOTE=TheMan;15009805]In English you fat Cuban gusano. BTW, how did you escape El Salvador, didn't Trump deport your ass along with all them other Cubans?[/QUOTE]
Te voy a cortar.
[QUOTE=TheMan;15009791]Like I said, the dumb Hispanics, dumb blacks and dumb rednecks all got together in the last election and their dumb candidate won. And it's not racist to surmise people with higher education will be smarter than a high school dropout, it's not that complicated.
Prove me wrong.[/QUOTE]
Lol you guys still think it's 1960 and going to college actually means something. Yes at one point it was prestigious to go to college and it meant something if you had your degree. Those days are long gone. Most colleges have been reduced to adult daycare centers. In fact I would put my money on the average middle schooler from the 80's being more knowledgeable than the average college student today.
Here are countless examples of college students not being able to answer the most basic elementary questions:
[video=youtube;mYIt3sq4ALk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYIt3sq4ALk[/video]
[video=youtube;NhH43XRAKV0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhH43XRAKV0[/video]
Here is a liberal arts college where so called "smart" people spend money obtaining utterly worthless degrees that will never yield them a single penny.
[video=youtube;vk6WUskYfg8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk6WUskYfg8[/video]
These are the so called smart and enlightened people who vote democrat?
:oldlol:
[QUOTE=Baller234;15009854]Lol you guys still think it's 1960 and going to college actually means something. Yes at one point it was prestigious to go to college and it meant something if you had your degree. Those days are long gone. Most colleges have been reduced to adult daycare centers. In fact I would put my money on the average middle schooler from the 80's being more knowledgeable than the average college student today.
Here are countless examples of college students not being able to answer the most basic elementary questions:
[video=youtube;mYIt3sq4ALk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYIt3sq4ALk[/video]
[video=youtube;NhH43XRAKV0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhH43XRAKV0[/video]
Here is a liberal arts college where so called "smart" people spend money obtaining utterly worthless degrees that will never yield them a single penny.
[video=youtube;vk6WUskYfg8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk6WUskYfg8[/video]
These are the so called smart and enlightened people who vote democrat?
:oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Let's believe a video on YouTube from a content creator that depends on views! They're totally not staged ever!
How are you so gullible?
And yes, I will repeat it again, on average a college graduate is more knowledgeable than someone who barely got by and finished high school.
[QUOTE=TheMan;15009880]Let's believe a video on YouTube from a content creator that depends on views! They're totally not staged ever!
How are you so gullible?
And yes, I will repeat it again, on average a college graduate is more knowledgeable than someone who barely got by and finished high school.[/QUOTE]
So you watched those videos and came to the conclusion that they were all staged?
[IMG]https://media1.tenor.com/m/g7nzxqrG9GIAAAAC/girl-sure-jan.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Baller234;15009888]So you watched those videos and came to the conclusion that they were all staged?
[IMG]https://media1.tenor.com/m/g7nzxqrG9GIAAAAC/girl-sure-jan.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
They're staged and or heavily edited to fit a narrative :confusedshrug:
And just so I understand your point, are you claiming the US don't have smart people, that the US is just full of mouthbreathers? Wouldn't that make my point even stronger when I claim that the reason Trump won is because morons make up the majority? :lol