Trouble in paradise? Musk slams Trump's "big beautiful bill"

[QUOTE=Baller234;15012407]"Trump says mean words all the time..."

Yea, at his [B]enemies[/B]. When he's being attacked or forced to go on the offensive. Musk and Trump are supposed to be friends.

If it's really just a bill you're worried about and you wanted to have a rational discussion in the hopes of reaching an arrangement, and you just want what's best for the country... you don't go about it like this. That's not how you settle a disagreement with your friends. You're the one who backed his campaign and propped this guy up as a savior in the first place.

In short, when parents are about get divorced, they're not supposed to fight in front of the kids.

The change in attitude is too noticeable and it calls his motivation into question.[/QUOTE]

So you really did think that Musk was a good actor all along?

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15012412]So you really did think that Musk was a good actor all along?[/QUOTE]

I don't trust any of them. Nobody who climbs the mountain that high can have fully clean hands. This is the same guy who said he voted for Brandon in 2020. Musk was an ally and brought meaningful positive change, so his motivation didn't matter to me.

The same also applies to Trump.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15012416]I don't trust any of them. Nobody who climbs the mountain that high can have fully clean hands. This is the same guy who said he voted for Brandon in 2020. Musk was an ally and brought meaningful positive change, so his motivation didn't matter to me.

The same also applies to Trump.[/QUOTE]


When it comes to the art of the deal...

Trump has a reputation of stabbing people in the back after the back door deal is made.


Let's hope for America's sake... this doesn't apply to Israel.

edit... double post

[QUOTE=Baller234;15012416]I don't trust any of them. Nobody who climbs the mountain that high can have fully clean hands. This is the same guy who said he voted for Brandon in 2020. Musk was an ally and brought meaningful positive change, so his motivation didn't matter to me.

The same also applies to Trump.[/QUOTE]

Motivation should matter though. Because as we’re currently seeing, the actions can change at the drop of a hat when interests are threatened.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15012458]Motivation should matter though. Because as we’re currently seeing, the actions can change at the drop of a hat when interests are threatened.[/QUOTE]

They both have equal or similar motivations. The difference is that Elon is not a politician, Biden is. Their skill sets are very different.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15012458]Motivation should matter though. Because as we’re currently seeing, the actions can change at the drop of a hat when interests are threatened.[/QUOTE]

Yes in an ideal situation intention would matter but last time I checked Jesus Christ and Clark Kent aren't running for office. These are mortal men.

Not only that but there are always going to be political entanglements beyond their control that compromise their decision making in some capacity. No one at that level is free to do whatever they want to do and act with total impunity.

MAGA voters never had a problem with this. We knew who Donald Trump was from the outset. We didn't care. We voted for him on the strength of his policies, not the strength of his character. It was the left who was obsessed with his character and swore up and down he wasn't morally fit to hold office.

The left thought it was very important that the president be a decent and honorable person. That's why they nominated Barry, Killary, Brandon and The Cackler. All just honest to god good people who never lied and never did anything corrupt.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15012555]Yes in an ideal situation intention would matter but last time I checked Jesus Christ and Clark Kent aren't running for office. These are mortal men.

Not only that but there are always going to be political entanglements beyond their control that compromise their decision making in some capacity. No one at that level is free to do whatever they want to do and act with total impunity.

MAGA voters never had a problem with this. We knew who Donald Trump was from the outset. We didn't care. We voted for him on the strength of his policies, not the strength of his character. It was the left who was obsessed with his character and swore up and down he wasn't morally fit to hold office.

The left thought it was very important that the president be a decent and honorable person. That's why they nominated Barry, Killary, Brandon and The Cackler. All just honest to god good people who never lied and never did anything corrupt.[/QUOTE]

his policies and execution of those policies have been absolute sh1t. you guys just had the rug pulled under your feet with this BBB. ya'll actually thought he would cut government spending :roll:

[QUOTE=Baller234;15012555]Yes in an ideal situation intention would matter but last time I checked Jesus Christ and Clark Kent aren't running for office. These are mortal men.

Not only that but there are always going to be political entanglements beyond their control that compromise their decision making in some capacity. No one at that level is free to do whatever they want to do and act with total impunity.

MAGA voters never had a problem with this. We knew who Donald Trump was from the outset. We didn't care. We voted for him on the strength of his policies, not the strength of his character. It was the left who was obsessed with his character and swore up and down he wasn't morally fit to hold office.

The left thought it was very important that the president be a decent and honorable person. That's why they nominated Barry, Killary, Brandon and The Cackler. All just honest to god good people who never lied and never did anything corrupt.[/QUOTE]

See, this is where you lose me. I don’t doubt that this is your perspective and your motives for voting for him, and that’s completely respectable and fine. But you are completely ignorant if you don’t think that there is an enormous faction of his base that voted for him because of his style. Most people don’t know shit about his actual policies and how they affect their lives. They just liked that he publicly shat in the people they don’t like and said all the right things in an apparently respectable bravado.

To sum it up: speak for yourself and not the MAGA base. There are always going to be things you miss when you do that.

MAGAS would gladly give up their medical insurance just to nine trans people could not play sports.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15012627]See, this is where you lose me. I don’t doubt that this is your perspective and your motives for voting for him, and that’s completely respectable and fine. But you are completely ignorant if you don’t think that there is an enormous faction of his base that voted for him because of his style. Most people don’t know shit about his actual policies and how they affect their lives. They just liked that he publicly shat in the people they don’t like and said all the right things in an apparently respectable bravado.

To sum it up: speak for yourself and not the MAGA base. There are always going to be things you miss when you do that.[/QUOTE]

Lol so I'm not in tune with the MAGA base but you are? Are you even MAGA to begin with?

It's funny because on one hand you're like [I]"No one person should speak for Trump's base!"[/I]... but on the other hand you're like[I] "I'll tell you what Trump voters are REALLY about!"[/I]. As usual you guys speak out of both sides of your ass.

And yes wokism was one of the key issues for Trump voters so of course his voters like it when he humiliates woke democrats. His stance on wokism is one of the reasons I voted for him as well.

When does society wake up and realize that the Government is not in charge of "wokeness"? Were Nixon and LBJ in charge of the hippie movement?

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012827]When does society wake up and realize that the Government is not in charge of "wokeness"? Were Nixon and LBJ in charge of the hippie movement?[/QUOTE]

If you don't think the government had a hand in normalizing wokeness you're a bigger retard than I thought.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15012831]If you don't think the government had a hand in normalizing wokeness you're a bigger retard than I thought.[/QUOTE]

Gov stances on this type of thing actually cause an opposite effect. Biden made people dislike wokeness, and Trump is making people go back to it.

Anyone who voted for Trump under the illusion that he would singe handedly kill wokeness is the retard.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012840]Gov stances on this type of thing actually cause an opposite effect. Biden made people dislike wokeness, and Trump is making people go back to it.

Anyone who voted for Trump under the illusion that he would singe handedly kill wokeness is the retard.[/QUOTE]

So the civil rights act of 1964 had the opposite effect as well? When Title II banned racial discrimination in hotels, restaurants, theaters, and other public places based on race... it started happening [I]more[/I] frequently?

If a government endorsement achieves the opposite effect, what is even the point of fighting for legislation? If the goal of the woke movement was to gain mainstream acceptance, why did they advocate so strongly for government intervention?

Are you saying that woke democrats are all retards who only know how to work against their own interests?

:oldlol:

Biden made people gravitate away from wokeness and Trump makes people gravitate toward it. Both have an opposite effect.

People who are like "woke-woke" don't like Biden. He is just more establishment to them. They don't even view him as a leftist.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012846]Biden made people gravitate away from wokeness and Trump makes people gravitate toward it. Both have an opposite effect.

People who are like "woke-woke" don't like Biden. He is just more establishment to them. They don't even view him as a leftist.[/QUOTE]

You're not making any sense at all.

So if Trump is great for wokism, why are all the woke people so upset? Why cry over him banning boys in girls sports at the federal level if it's going to have the desired opposite effect?

:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Baller234;15012849]You're not making any sense at all.

So if Trump is great for wokism, why are all the woke people so upset? Why cry over him banning boys in girls sports at the federal level if it's going to have the desired opposite effect?

:oldlol:[/QUOTE]

are you stupid? or do you deliberately misunderstand everything to spin it your way? i am leaning towards you being an inbred with a sub 100 IQ.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15012849]
So if Trump is great for wokism, [B]why are all the woke people so upset?[/B] Why cry over him banning boys in girls sports at the federal level if it's going to have the desired opposite effect?
[/QUOTE]
You're basically asking me why did Trump make woke people MORE woke. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012855]You're basically asking me why did Trump make woke people MORE woke. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=highwhey;15012851]are you stupid? or do you deliberately misunderstand everything to spin it your way? i am leaning towards you being an inbred with a sub 100 IQ.[/QUOTE]

Buffalo Bill Gates insists that government doesn't play a role in normalizing behaviors or beliefs.

So then why complain about any of these federal rulings? Who cares what's on the books?

[QUOTE=Baller234;15012409]Can you elaborate? Are you inferring he might have been physically threatened or that he joined the cult.[/QUOTE]

Physically threatened, with his kid being the next target. It's just something to keep an open mind about.

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Many political figures.

Looks like Musk is walking back his tweets and looking to get back in Orange Face's good graces.

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I mean it looks like Musk is bending the knee but who knows maybe those Epstein tweets got Trump's attention got him to the bargaining table. Then again maybe Musk bit off more than he could chew. At this point I don't think anyone could even venture a guess as to what's really going on, who's telling the truth, who's posturing, etc.

I guess the commentators on the right will pretend like this never happened and act like they're besties again. Meanwhile the lefties can commence with the Tesla burning and the endless screeching again.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15013468]Looks like Musk is walking back his tweets and looking to get back in Orange Face's good graces.

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I mean it looks like Musk is bending the knee but who knows maybe those Epstein tweets got Trump's attention got him to the bargaining table. Then again maybe Musk bit off more than he could chew. At this point I don't think anyone could even venture a guess as to what's really going on, who's telling the truth, who's posturing, etc.

I guess the commentators on the right will pretend like this never happened and act like they're besties again. Meanwhile the lefties can commence with the Tesla burning and the endless screeching again.[/QUOTE]

Looks like Elon's ketamine wore off around 3AM.

[QUOTE=Lakers Legend#32;15013487]Looks like Elon's ketamine wore off around 3AM.[/QUOTE]

This. I don't hate or love Musk, but if one thing is true about him is that he has knee jerk reactions without thinking about the consequences of his actions. There's nothing abnormal about that when you're a multi-billionaire. I'm sure it happens everyday of their lives.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012827]When does society wake up and realize that the Government is not in charge of "wokeness"? Were Nixon and LBJ in charge of the hippie movement?[/QUOTE]

Actually they found a way to disrupt the hippie movie movement and give it a bad reputation. Not everything is done the legal way by the folks up top.

[quote]COINTELPRO (a syllabic abbreviation derived from Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert and illegal projects conducted between 1956 and 1971 by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations[/quote]

[video=youtube;Vq-Wi4Q_Nlc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq-Wi4Q_Nlc[/video]

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This is such a weird episode. Its so embarrassing for them to publically beef like this.

Musk seems to have a short fuse and tends to say dumb shit when hes mad.

Not that the bill doesnt suck, but, keep it under covers.

[QUOTE=Bill Gates;15012827]When does society wake up and realize that the Government is not in charge of "wokeness"? Were Nixon and LBJ in charge of the hippie movement?[/QUOTE]

Uh, yea?! :oldlol:

These arent organic movements.

Neither was feminism.

Theyre heavily funded and infiltrated/steered.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15014041]Uh, yea?! :oldlol:

These arent organic movements.

Neither was feminism.

Theyre heavily funded and infiltrated/steered.[/QUOTE]
Hippies spurred out of anti-Gov :oldlol: Not started by the Gov

I mean, you literally think Trump is in charge of feminism? :oldlol:

Does the US Gov really dictate how you think?

:facepalm

[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas;15013993]Actually they found a way to disrupt the hippie movie movement and give it a bad reputation. Not everything is done the legal way by the folks up top.



[video=youtube;Vq-Wi4Q_Nlc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq-Wi4Q_Nlc[/video]

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I read Chaos a couple of years ago. VERY interesting...