Chauncey Billiups and Rozier got arrested by the FBI on gambling charges.

[QUOTE=Baller234;15039238]What YALL did?

Who tf is YALL?[/QUOTE]


relax triggered snowflake

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater;15039246]relax triggered snowflake[/QUOTE]

Wahh the joos control everything and are responsible for all the problems in the world wahhh.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15039156]I don’t think “legend” is worth taking serious in this world where people believe all manner of things they want. People have posted bullshit “evidence” online supporting theories they will never be able to prove forever.

I’ll stick to what I know.

Yes..gambling like a thousand other things can get out of hand and lead to violence. That doesn’t mean the concept automatically creates victims because the most extreme versions cause trouble. The list of things people have been killed over is too long to list.

That is an issue of people just being evil and general human weakness.

Obviously most forms of gambling are not inherently harmful to anyone and it definitely isn’t anyone’s right to tell anyone else they can or can’t. [B]It’s one of the wildest forms of government overreach to me.[/B]

If I have a 20 the idea that I can’t bet it on _____ but I can use it to buy cigarettes and a beer is hilarious.

Someone somewhere taking it too far shouldn’t have anything to do with me.

I can’t exactly go shoot up a school with a bet on the Nuggets but people who oppose the ability to bet often don’t oppose actual tools of long distance murder being readily available.

People are so selective about what rights they think the government should get to strip.

Therr are serious conversations to be had about a lot of things. Guns, drugs, alcohol, smoking….

Some feel a need to throw “I bet you 20 they come back and win!” into that mix because on a large scale it can be damaging and corrupt…but I don’t know much that can’t.

I just don’t know how it’s my business to tell you you can’t put 10 bucks on the Rams. I don’t know from where I’d get that authority over you and not feel like I were doing too much.

But I barely feel like I should be able to tell an adult he can’t do anything that doesn’t let him impose his will on me and others so I’m not the one to make that call I guess.[/QUOTE]

One of the major functions of modern government is enforcing contracts. Bets are contracts. If government power is going to be used to enforce contracts, then the government is going to exert regulatory power over that market. When a market exists outside of government regulation, it will eventually be regulated (in a fashion) by criminal organizations. The government is then incentivized to stamp out contracts that develop outside of their regulatory structures (in this case, illegal gambling), because if they don't, it empowers criminal orgs.

^that's how I see it. Just my perspective.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15039156]I don’t think “legend” is worth taking serious in this world where people believe all manner of things they want. People have posted bullshit “evidence” online supporting theories they will never be able to prove forever.

I’ll stick to what I know.

Yes..gambling like a thousand other things can get out of hand and lead to violence. That doesn’t mean the concept automatically creates victims because the most extreme versions cause trouble. The list of things people have been killed over is too long to list.

That is an issue of people just being evil and general human weakness.

Obviously most forms of gambling are not inherently harmful to anyone and it definitely isn’t anyone’s right to tell anyone else they can or can’t. It’s one of the wildest forms of government overreach to me.

If I have a 20 the idea that I can’t bet it on _____ but I can use it to buy cigarettes and a beer is hilarious.

Someone somewhere taking it too far shouldn’t have anything to do with me.

I can’t exactly go shoot up a school with a bet on the Nuggets but people who oppose the ability to bet often don’t oppose actual tools of long distance murder being readily available.

People are so selective about what rights they think the government should get to strip.

Therr are serious conversations to be had about a lot of things. Guns, drugs, alcohol, smoking….

Some feel a need to throw “I bet you 20 they come back and win!” into that mix because on a large scale it can be damaging and corrupt…but I don’t know much that can’t.

I just don’t know how it’s my business to tell you you can’t put 10 bucks on the Rams. I don’t know from where I’d get that authority over you and not feel like I were doing too much.

But I barely feel like I should be able to tell an adult he can’t do anything that doesn’t let him impose his will on me and others so I’m not the one to make that call I guess.[/QUOTE]

Homie marijuana is still classified as a schedule 1 narcotic. A plant with medicinal qualities. Where it’s legal you can’t advertise like casinos and betting sites can. At the height of its prohibition people got 20 year plus sentences.

Raw unpasteurized milk is illegal across half of this country.

No one went to jail betting 20 with a homie. People did go to jail and still do over joints of weed with the homies.

Yes gambling should be legal, but when it isn’t it’s hardly the biggest government overreach.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15039156]I don’t think “legend” is worth taking serious in this world where people believe all manner of things they want. People have posted bullshit “evidence” online supporting theories they will never be able to prove forever.

I’ll stick to what I know.

Yes..gambling like a thousand other things can get out of hand and lead to violence. That doesn’t mean the concept automatically creates victims because the most extreme versions cause trouble. The list of things people have been killed over is too long to list.

That is an issue of people just being evil and general human weakness.

Obviously most forms of gambling are not inherently harmful to anyone and it definitely isn’t anyone’s right to tell anyone else they can or can’t. It’s one of the wildest forms of government overreach to me.

If I have a 20 the idea that I can’t bet it on _____ but I can use it to buy cigarettes and a beer is hilarious.

Someone somewhere taking it too far shouldn’t have anything to do with me.

I can’t exactly go shoot up a school with a bet on the Nuggets but people who oppose the ability to bet often don’t oppose actual tools of long distance murder being readily available.

People are so selective about what rights they think the government should get to strip.

Therr are serious conversations to be had about a lot of things. Guns, drugs, alcohol, smoking….

Some feel a need to throw “I bet you 20 they come back and win!” into that mix because on a large scale it can be damaging and corrupt…but I don’t know much that can’t.

I just don’t know how it’s my business to tell you you can’t put 10 bucks on the Rams. I don’t know from where I’d get that authority over you and not feel like I were doing too much.

But I barely feel like I should be able to tell an adult he can’t do anything that doesn’t let him impose his will on me and others so I’m not the one to make that call I guess.[/QUOTE]

It's very unlikely that Jordan's dad was murdered due to a gambling debt given how it went down.

Gambling is very destructive. It being so easily accessible to anyone is why there should be regulations and limits to the amount a person can gamble. Gambling addiction has a higher suicide rate than alcohol for a reason. Just because you can control it doesn't mean it shouldn't be regulated.

Kg was just named. Sheesh

The reason I call telling someone they can’t make a bit more of an overreach than drugs is simple. Even if gambling could potentially lead to Harm, you can’t just walk up and buy your immediate death.

if you don’t regulate access to certain chemicals, drugs, and alcohol, and just put them on the shelf next to everything else as a simple commodity to be bought and sold by whoever has the funds, a kid could walk into a store buy a bottle of Everclear and drink himself to death before he gets home. If you can just walk into a store and grab a Needle already loaded up with heroin you have both adults and kids just deciding to try it and dropping dead all over the place.

Even drugs I feel should be accessible for a consenting adult… There are common sense reasons, not to just leave on the shelf and allow anyone to buy it if they want to.

You having the ability to gamble too much and ruin your life is not even close to the same thing.

People ruin their lives doing all manner of legal things That you would have a hard time legalizing because society doesn’t consider it the government’s business.

I guarantee more lives have been ruined and more people have been killed and infected with deadly diseases due to unprotected sex. Hell sex in general. Gambling murders will never catch the numbers put up by sex and love related violence. There’s a reason every time a woman comes up dead the police wanna know the last person they had sex with.

But you’ll never make it illegal to have sex outside a committed relationship or a marriage, regardless of the damage it does to families and the violence it causes because its none of the government’s ****ing business.

I put gambling more in that category than drug use. I’m considerably less concerned my kid is placing bets, or dating, than doing meth and I don’t feel I should have to explain it more than that.

Just because it could potentially spiral out of control doesn’t mean you have any right to tell me I can’t play cards for money or predict Luka goes over 31 points.

I don’t see how it’s anymore the government’s business than who sucks my dick. But I’ve had my life threatened over who I was ****ing.

Doesn’t mean the government has any say Among consenting adults.

In fact…bitch dependency is a greater threat to the average man than gambling…


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It utterly destroyed more than one friend of mine. I was stricken with it for a time in high school.

Some of the dumbest decisions in life are made because of sex and love.

3 of the 4 situations in my life involving some version of gunplay or credibly threatened gunplay were because of a woman.

Sex is a greater threat to the average family, life, and income than gambling and maybe alcohol. Drink driving makes that one hard to say though I bet the sex related assaults and shootings yearly are probably waaaay in the tens of thousands and I’m sure there are millions of decimated families.

But…having seen the tiny casket from a family member killed by a drunk driver I can’t say it’s worse for society.

Off the top of my head I’ve only witnessed 2 incidents of gambling related violence. My cousins father was a gambling addict and once blew almost his whole check on video poker and when he came in and gave his wife what was left to go get Friday night dinner she punched him in the side of the head in front of all of us…

And in one of my favorite and most quoted incidents from youth one of my best friends was flipping for quarters and a guy who lost wouldn’t give it to him. He grabbed him around both knees(dude was like 6’6” and ended up a center in college ball) and slammed him and got suspended.

His reason when asked?

The following legendary quote…


” I don’t care if it’s a quarter a dollar or hundred. If he got it and it’s mine then I need it”

I could run down a dozen sex-related incidents and I’m sure all of you could as well.

Im ready to issue final judgement….


Consensual sex between two adults…is more dangerous than gambling, destroys more families, costs more money once you factor in divorce and child support and is all around more justifiable for the government to restrict for the greater good.

We just don’t care. And we shouldn’t.

The only part that i don't get about all these is why the arrest was made during the opening days of the season. There was plenty of time before it and that a number of guys have been involved in here, players and coaches alike. I don't think i've seen this happen yet in the past few years on the same period.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15039339]sucks my dick[/QUOTE]
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China regulated sex quite well actually to balance their population. Thats a hood thing youre talking about, obviously uncontrollable.

[QUOTE=tpols;15039345]China regulated sex quite well actually to balance their population. Thats a hood thing youre talking about, obviously uncontrollable.[/QUOTE]

Failed experiment

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15039346]Failed experiment[/QUOTE]

China doesn't have a baby momma baby daddy gun problem like USA because they regulate hard.

[QUOTE=tpols;15039345]China regulated sex quite well actually to balance their population. Thats a hood thing youre talking about, obviously uncontrollable.[/QUOTE]


It’s an everywhere thing. From Walmart, to the White House, to royal palaces. Sex takes apart careers, lives, and bank accounts all the time.

[QUOTE=tpols;15039349]China doesn't have a baby momma baby daddy gun problem like USA because they regulate hard.[/QUOTE]

They have other issues. Too many men. Not enough women. Little emperors and empresses. No guns meant toddlers getting slashed by maniacs with knives

2 years ago a pro gambler accused Chauncey of being involved with rigged games that fleeced other pro gamblers

[QUOTE=Im Still Ballin;15039227]Will Chauncey do hard time?[/QUOTE]

White collar federal crime...even he gets a long sentence it won't be "hard time".

Hopefully this kills off "leaglized" gambling for good.

kblaze outside of his basketball takes is spitting ngl.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15039339]The reason I call telling someone they can’t make a bit more of an overreach than drugs is simple. Even if gambling could potentially lead to Harm, you can’t just walk up and buy your immediate death.

if you don’t regulate access to certain chemicals, drugs, and alcohol, and just put them on the shelf next to everything else as a simple commodity to be bought and sold by whoever has the funds, a kid could walk into a store buy a bottle of Everclear and drink himself to death before he gets home. If you can just walk into a store and grab a Needle already loaded up with heroin you have both adults and kids just deciding to try it and dropping dead all over the place.

Even drugs I feel should be accessible for a consenting adult… There are common sense reasons, not to just leave on the shelf and allow anyone to buy it if they want to.

You having the ability to gamble too much and ruin your life is not even close to the same thing.

People ruin their lives doing all manner of legal things That you would have a hard time legalizing because society doesn’t consider it the government’s business.

I guarantee more lives have been ruined and more people have been killed and infected with deadly diseases due to unprotected sex. Hell sex in general. Gambling murders will never catch the numbers put up by sex and love related violence. There’s a reason every time a woman comes up dead the police wanna know the last person they had sex with.

But you’ll never make it illegal to have sex outside a committed relationship or a marriage, regardless of the damage it does to families and the violence it causes because its none of the government’s ****ing business.

I put gambling more in that category than drug use. I’m considerably less concerned my kid is placing bets, or dating, than doing meth and I don’t feel I should have to explain it more than that.

Just because it could potentially spiral out of control doesn’t mean you have any right to tell me I can’t play cards for money or predict Luka goes over 31 points.

I don’t see how it’s anymore the government’s business than who sucks my dick. But I’ve had my life threatened over who I was ****ing.

Doesn’t mean the government has any say Among consenting adults.[/QUOTE]


Of course you have less of a chance to get murdered when gambling on FanDuel, but it doesn't mean that it's not a massive net-negative for society overall. You might be a reasonable person and you might have the self-discipline not to go balls deep and spend all your money doing it, but there's plenty of degenerates out there that will. It's easier to open your phone and place a bet on Luka scoring 31 than buying meth, and you're not seeing meth ads every 5 seconds or ads offering you 10 grams of free meth if you buy your first gram.

Safeguards need to be in place because a lot of people lack self-control and make stupid emotional decisions. Gambling companies prey on these people.

Absolutely nothing good comes from sports betting. Nothing. If you like to gamble then there are a million ways to do it that dont involve sports. Hit the tables, play cards, bet on the next Presidential candidate. It needs to be banned period. Otherwise this sort of thing isn't going anywhere and will only get worse. Of course it won't be banned because it makes too much money but from now on, anytime a player makes crazy decisions/plays like shit/gets hurt early, people will ask questions. If Rozier and Billups are guilty and lets be honest, they damn well are then it's clear that it doesnt matter how much money you make or the position you occupy, anyone can be corrupted.

Legalised sports betting being legal everywhere is in its infancy and we've already had players go down for it, multiple examples, coaches now too, inside information leaks. It will only snowball. It's an embarrassment for the league, affects its integrity to the extreme and is going to ruin careers. I have zero sympathy for any of the accused, greedy idiots that they are but I repeat, nothing good comes from sports betting.

But like Brian Windhorst said yesterday, nothing goes backwards in terms of gambling. It just gets more prominent. However banning of gambling commercials I could definitely see happening.

Previously I had a generally positive view of Chauncey. He was measured and soft spoken and seemed generally sane next to most of the hyperactive media personalities. However, I remember during the 2018 Western Conference semi-finals as a media pundit he backed the James Harden and Chris Paul Rockets after Kevin Durant got injured. I can understand if he has closer personal ties to Harden and Paul or just admires them more. What I didn't understand though was how after Curry destroyed the Rockets Chauncey just sort of glumly sat there silently. No words acknowledging what happened and what Curry and the Warriors did. It rubbed me the wrong way. He shouldn't have been biased in his job but he was and then when it was time to give credit where credit was due he didn't.

Learning now that Billups was a participant in scams, I look back and think one could already gain insight into his true character just from that episode above. I'll call it a character Steph test.

[QUOTE=ImKobe;15039402]Of course you have less of a chance to get murdered when gambling on FanDuel, but it doesn't mean that it's not a massive net-negative for society overall. You might be a reasonable person and you might have the self-discipline not to go balls deep and spend all your money doing it, but there's plenty of degenerates out there that will. It's easier to open your phone and place a bet on Luka scoring 31 than buying meth, and you're not seeing meth ads every 5 seconds or ads offering you 10 grams of free meth if you buy your first gram.

Safeguards need to be in place because a lot of people lack self-control and make stupid emotional decisions. Gambling companies prey on these people.[/QUOTE]


being a net negative or not has no bearing on if the government should get to tell me if I can do it. The government is supposed to stop you from hurting other people, not refuse to give you the means to possibly hurt yourself through freedoms they have no right to limit.

I promise you sugar is a net negative on society. Generally eating a bad diet is definitely more dangerous than gambling. Heart disease and diabetes are decimating families by the millions. Hell billions worldwide.

and your health is incredibly altered by simple decisions like what you choose to eat and how much. There are just certain things we choose to acknowledge as a personal Liberty. Eating. Consensual sex. And somehow smoking and drinking is legal everywhere in the country, but there are places that hold out and refuse to allow a grown ass man who worked for his money to put $10 on the Lakers.

there is an a spec of moral or logical justification for it that doesn’t apply to a much greater extent to a huge number of other things. The government simply knows it’s none of its business, even if it destroys societies.

you are way more likely to have your life ruined by who you choose to have sex with then by gambling. You might get a disease that kills you. You might get somebody pregnant and ruin both of your lives. You might get caught and lose half your money in a divorce and have your children hate you. You might ruin yourself financially in any number of ways.

But it’s not my business what you do with your dick if another adult agrees.

Its as irrational as allowing some model to **** the shit out of some lame for money as long as you film it and have the paperwork in order even if it’s never distributed but send a raid if it isn’t on film because that’s prostitution.

A lot of this bullshit is simply religious influence from the past that just gets accepted as unacceptable moral behavior now without a spec of rational justification.

Governments out here, trying to legislate biblical morality in a couple places while ignoring far more culturally devastating ones and getting away with it for no reason, but it always being that way.

And at this point have the opposition to legalize gambling has nothing to do with morals or the impact on society at all. It’s native Americans lobbying local politicians to keep gambling to themselves.

The Seminoles in Florida and a group of them in California are holding off the states and the wheel of the people by bribing politicians.

draftKings and fanduel spend million in favor and the tribes flush with casino money spend millions in opposition on the books with All kind of off the books money and conduct that has been exposed.

It isn’t a moral issue anymore. Society has spoken nationwide. The only thing that can hold it back is local corruption and legal fights designed to stretch it out for years with appeals, knowing they will inevitably lose.

The extreme majority in Texas, California and Florida want legalized online gambling and the only thing stopping it is state legislators being bribed by existing operations that don’t want competition.

all three are going to get it eventually, and the rest of the dominoes will fall because there’s no rational argument against it that doesn’t apply to a dozen things we choose to look the other way on.

it’s just old Native American money versus new online gambling money and the new money is going to win.

One thing that a few playershave brought up that I also find noteworthy: players a are the only people being named publicly. We hear about Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier, Damon Jones possibly Kevin Garnett and "Mafia." Shouldn't they be getting publicly named too?

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15039420]being a net negative or not has no bearing on if the government should get to tell me if I can do it. The government is supposed to stop you from hurting other people, not refuse to give you the means to possibly hurt yourself through freedoms they have no right to limit.

I promise you sugar is a net negative on society. Generally eating a bad diet is definitely more dangerous than gambling. Heart disease and diabetes are decimating families by the millions. Hell billions worldwide.

and your health is incredibly altered by simple decisions like what you choose to eat and how much. There are just certain things we choose to acknowledge as a personal Liberty. Eating. Consensual sex. And somehow smoking and drinking is legal everywhere in the country, but there are places that hold out and refuse to allow a grown ass man who worked for his money to put $10 on the Lakers.

there is an a spec of moral or logical justification for it that doesn’t apply to a much greater extent to a huge number of other things. The government simply knows it’s none of its business, even if it destroys societies.

you are way more likely to have your life ruined by who you choose to have sex with then by gambling. You might get a disease that kills you. You might get somebody pregnant and ruin both of your lives. You might get caught and lose half your money in a divorce and have your children hate you. You might ruin yourself financially in any number of ways.

But it’s not my business what you do with your dick if another adult agrees.

Its as irrational as allowing some model to **** the shit out of some lame for money as long as you film it and have the paperwork in order even if it’s never distributed but send a raid if it isn’t on film because that’s prostitution.

A lot of this bullshit is simply religious influence from the past that just gets accepted as unacceptable moral behavior now without a spec of rational justification.

Governments out here, trying to legislate biblical morality in a couple places while ignoring far more culturally devastating ones and getting away with it for no reason, but it always being that way.

And at this point have the opposition to legalize gambling has nothing to do with morals or the impact on society at all. It’s native Americans lobbying local politicians to keep gambling to themselves.

The Seminoles in Florida and a group of them in California are holding off the states and the wheel of the people by bribing politicians.

draftKings and fanduel spend million in favor and the tribes flush with casino money spend millions in opposition on the books with All kind of off the books money and conduct that has been exposed.

It isn’t a moral issue anymore. Society has spoken nationwide. The only thing that can hold it back is local corruption and legal fights designed to stretch it out for years with appeals, knowing they will inevitably lose.

The extreme majority in Texas, California and Florida want legalized online gambling and the only thing stopping it is state legislators being bribed by existing operations that don’t want competition.

all three are going to get it eventually, and the rest of the dominoes will fall because there’s no rational argument against it that doesn’t apply to a dozen things we choose to look the other way on.

it’s just old Native American money versus new online gambling money and the new money is going to win.[/QUOTE]

Allowing something and promoting it are different things.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15039422]One thing that a few playershave brought up that I also find noteworthy: players a are the only people being named publicly. We hear about Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier, Damon Jones possibly Kevin Garnett and "Mafia." Shouldn't they be getting publicly named too?[/QUOTE]

That’s always been the deal with the Feds. They use the popular faces even if small players in a crime for the “attention”. And how ironic you break the news when the NBA season just starts. Where fans of the sport are super excited, invested. Lame tactic but I get it. Smear campaign for the athletes meanwhile Joe Bagadonuts who really got $$$ is faceless.

[QUOTE=Nowoco;15039404]Absolutely nothing good comes from sports betting. Nothing. If you like to gamble then there are a million ways to do it that dont involve sports. Hit the tables, play cards, bet on the next Presidential candidate. It needs to be banned period. Otherwise this sort of thing isn't going anywhere and will only get worse. Of course it won't be banned because it makes too much money but from now on, anytime a player makes crazy decisions/plays like shit/gets hurt early, people will ask questions. If Rozier and Billups are guilty and lets be honest, they damn well are then it's clear that it doesnt matter how much money you make or the position you occupy, anyone can be corrupted.

Legalised sports betting being legal everywhere is in its infancy and we've already had players go down for it, multiple examples, coaches now too, inside information leaks. It will only snowball. It's an embarrassment for the league, affects its integrity to the extreme and is going to ruin careers. I have zero sympathy for any of the accused, greedy idiots that they are but I repeat, nothing good comes from sports betting.

But like Brian Windhorst said yesterday, nothing goes backwards in terms of gambling. It just gets more prominent. However banning of gambling commercials I could definitely see happening.[/QUOTE]

Nothing good comes from gambling period. Hitting the tables is just as bad. Why are we making sports gambling as this evil that has to be stopped. For fun let’s eliminate it. Casinos still thrive. The house still wins. What’s different with society? Lol

[QUOTE=GOBB;15039426]Nothing good comes from gambling period. Hitting the tables is just as bad. Why are we making sports gambling as this evil that has to be stopped. For fun let’s eliminate it. Casinos still thrive. The house still wins. What’s different with society? Lol[/QUOTE]

Because if someone loses all their money at the tables, that's their problem. In much the same way if a guy drinks himself out of a job.

But as we have seen repeatedly over years, gambling on sport leads to rampant corruption which affects the entire sport's integrity. There's corruption everywhere but none more damaging than guys fixing games. Make no mistake about it, feigning injury to leave a game early is fixing a game just as much as a deliberate turnover with the game on the line. There are no levels. You're either on the straight and narrow or your fixing games.

No-one's trying to stop anyone from gambling but sports betting opens far too many avenues to destroying the sport. As we have seen and will see even worse if nothing is done. Hiding behind "we should have the right to do it" is a fallacy. By that logic, tobacco companies should still have the right to advertise.

Billups and whoever he snitches on are cheating people in regular gambling, not sport gambling. Any time there is the potential to gain money there will be corruption because people are greedy. There's no real reason to say one is better than another.