Former NBA Ref says "Jordan's push off was an offensive foul..."

[QUOTE=Poetry]The game was just more physical then. That kind of contact wasn't uncommon.

When Zo did this to Pippen...

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..it was only called a regular hard foul. Pip shrugged it off without exaggeration and play continued.[/QUOTE]
So players weren't playing defense back then, just attacking players because they weren't skilled enough to play real defense?

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]So players weren't playing defense back then, just attacking players because they weren't skilled enough to play real defense?[/QUOTE]

:facepalm....They played defense dude....just if you started killing them or having your way,..... if you went to the hole, they wanted to let you know.."If you come in here, your going to get hit. "Unlike today's players and their "soccer" style flops.

WTF? Of course it was a freaking foul.

Basketball's become pussified just like soccer. There was barely any contact there.

He's absolutely right. In a vacuum, that was definitely a foul on MJ and also the reffing is getting worse and worse.

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Best part is the defender is looking right at Wade and [B]KNOWS[/B] there's no call coming. :facepalm

[QUOTE=atljonesbro]So players weren't playing defense back then, just attacking players because they weren't skilled enough to play real defense?[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

Dafense was more physical back then. Some Flagrant 2 fouls today would be regular fouls back then. Right now you stare at someone you will get a tech. League has gone soft.

I like mj best player ever unanimously in my book but if roles were reversed and byron took the shot and pushed off it would of been called an offensive, ya'all know im right

[QUOTE=joeyjoejoe]I like mj best player ever unanimously in my book but if roles were reversed and byron took the shot and pushed off it would of been called an offensive, ya'all know im right[/QUOTE]

ORLY?

Then why wasn't Reggile Miller's shoving of Jordan called an offensive foul?

If that little tap of Jordan was called a foul. It would be one of the lamest offensive fouls ever. He barely touched him. Russell fell most likely due to momentum and broken ankles.

[QUOTE=Angel Face]ORLY?

Then why wasn't Reggile Miller's shoving of Jordan called an offensive foul?

If that little tap of Jordan was called a foul. It would be one of the lamest offensive fouls ever. He barely touched him. Russell fell most likely due to momentum and broken ankles.[/QUOTE]

I got no horse in this race, you on the other hand lol

It was a push off of course, but no worse than what a lot of players have done on a lot of shots. I dont think its anything too major in that it happens quite often. Officiating really is that bad.

What shocks me more than anything watching MJ vids 20 years later is that man was almost always single covered. We see kobe and LBJ (possibly the most doubled player ive ever seen late in games on the Cavs) have another man sent towards them countless times on game winners, but Jordan seems to have gone 1 on 1 much more frequently.

Any way to check kobe vs LBJ vs MJ on game winning shot attempts/passes and the coverage on those?

That would have been the weakest offensive foul ever if it was called. :lol

[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]It was a push off of course, but no worse than what a lot of players have done on a lot of shots. I dont think its anything too major in that it happens quite often. Officiating really is that bad.

What shocks me more than anything watching MJ vids 20 years later is that man was almost always single covered. We see kobe and LBJ (possibly the most doubled player ive ever seen late in games on the Cavs) have another man sent towards them countless times on game winners, but Jordan seems to have gone 1 on 1 much more frequently.

Any way to check kobe vs LBJ vs MJ on game winning shot attempts/passes and the coverage on those?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=skillswithaz]uh oh...umm

"Well if Kobe had taken a shot like that, they would've called him for an offensive foul and suspended him for game 7 because it was unnatural reaction."[/QUOTE]

LOL go check Lakers vs King game 6. Kobe did worse and got rewarded for FT

[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]We see kobe and LBJ (possibly the most doubled player ive ever seen late in games on the Cavs) have another man sent towards them countless times on game winners, but Jordan seems to have gone 1 on 1 much more frequently.[/QUOTE]

Here are MJs game winners.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMB0pNnHbEg[/url]

He shakes or runs into double/triple teams on at least half of them.

LeBron seems to have trouble with double teams in those situations because he doesn't pull the trigger.

Defenders know that he's looking to pass the ball if he can.

Look at what Michael does in these situations. He looks to attack and so he's always got his defenders off balance.

Here are LeBron's game winners:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEP3bfZixE8[/url]

He sees mostly single coverage on these attempts.

I'd almost forgotten how many he's hit. Things seem to go well for him when he doesn't look to pass.

[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]It was a push off of course, but no worse than what a lot of players have done on a lot of shots. I dont think its anything too major in that it happens quite often. Officiating really is that bad.

What shocks me more than anything watching MJ vids 20 years later is that man was almost always single covered. We see kobe and LBJ (possibly the most doubled player ive ever seen late in games on the Cavs) have another man sent towards them countless times on game winners, but Jordan seems to have gone 1 on 1 much more frequently.

Any way to check kobe vs LBJ vs MJ on game winning shot attempts/passes and the coverage on those?[/QUOTE]
So it's MJ's fault that he has the IQ and ability to read and beat double and triple teams?

Is it also his fault that in some instances coaches are respectful enough to not send a trap immediately?

They fear MJ.

He was always a threat. MJ just happened to usually be better than the defense thrown at him.

Hahaha youre so mad little man.

My point is that while MJ is clearly the best ever I dont believe he faced the defensive attention, even when on crappy teams, that LBJ or kobe have received. However it is only an assumption based on a significant amount of footage and I would love to see the actual results.

However for nearly every Jordan game winner I see that he is 1 v 1, but if you look at a great deal of LBJ or kobe's its generally multiple guys coming and they have to work hard to get single coverage to th 1 v 1. For jordan its pass him the ball, then let him work 1 v 1 because the double never comes.

Again this is based purely on what I have seen, but im sure there are stats to verify or correct my assumption. Now go cry about how he is no longer playing and jerk off to his steakhouse menu homo.

[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]Hahaha youre so mad little man.

My point is that while MJ is clearly the best ever I dont believe he faced the defensive attention, even when on crappy teams, that LBJ or kobe have received. However it is only an assumption based on a significant amount of footage and I would love to see the actual results.[/QUOTE]

Err, '87-'92 Jordan was the most double teamed perimeter player in history by a good margin.

[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]Hahaha youre so mad little man.

My point is that while MJ is clearly the best ever [B]I dont believe he faced the defensive attention, even when on crappy teams, that LBJ or kobe have received.[/B] However it is only an assumption based on a significant amount of footage and I would love to see the actual results.

However for nearly every Jordan game winner I see that he is 1 v 1, but if you look at a great deal of LBJ or kobe's its generally multiple guys coming and they have to work hard to get single coverage to th 1 v 1.[B] For jordan its pass him the ball, then let him work 1 v 1 because the double never comes.[/B]

Again this is based purely on what I have seen, but im sure there are stats to verify or correct my assumption. Now go cry about how he is no longer playing and jerk off to his steakhouse menu homo.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=LBJ4MVP23]Hahaha youre so mad little man.

My point is that while MJ is clearly the best ever I dont believe he faced the defensive attention, even when on crappy teams, that LBJ or kobe have received. However it is only an assumption based on a significant amount of footage and I would love to see the actual results.

However for nearly every Jordan game winner I see that he is 1 v 1, but if you look at a great deal of LBJ or kobe's its generally multiple guys coming and they have to work hard to get single coverage to th 1 v 1. For jordan its pass him the ball, then let him work 1 v 1 because the double never comes.

Again this is based purely on what I have seen, but im sure there are stats to verify or correct my assumption. Now go cry about how he is no longer playing and jerk off to his steakhouse menu homo.[/QUOTE]

:facepalm

You clearly didn't watch MJ, you're just hating.

Jordan got away with a lot of arm grabbing and shoving but if the "push off" was an offensive foul then Jordan has hulk strength, he barely brushed him with his fingers.

It was an offensive foul. Jordan was stiff arming, and pushing off his defenders. Stern was on hiis dick 24/7.