The Top 100 Greatest NBA Players Of All Time According To ISH

[QUOTE=BULLS]No offense, but that is a terrible list. Russell has no business in the top 3 range. Erving was never better than Malone. Shaq is much better than Kareem, Russell, and Wilt. Kobe is leagues ahead of both Drexler and West. 33 sounds about right for West, not Kobe. Pettit is around top 80 all-time, and Mikan is around top 90. Neither deserve a top 20 spot. Oscar is nowhere near top 8. I think you meant top 50. Magic is top 3 at worst... He was way better than Russell.

Good picks:

Great job with Jordan at #1. He is the undisputed GOAT.[/QUOTE]
I agree with some of what you are saying...

I would take Shaq over them as well if I was starting a team...

and Erving does seem overrated on this list...

you can stop it with the top 80-90 talk though

and Kobe is unproven imo...but again if I was starting a team I would probably pick him over West and Drexler...



this list was based highly upon achievements and the players of old deserve respect even if they are not as athletic as the players of today....they are the ones that pathed the road for Kobe to walk on

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]D-Fence and Glove_20, I did this in about 10-15 minutes, I didn't really go back and look over the list yet.[/QUOTE]
Okay... so, why'd you post it, then? Or, what did you intend with the list?

Anyhow, if you're going to go back and look it over and create your own list again, I look forward to seeing it.

And, I think if I were to make my own such list, I'd contradict my voting in ISH's list at some point. I spent a good deal of time thinking and considering for ISH's list, but I think with more time and my own list, I'd change something, especially due to limited information on players from long ago, the difficulties or era comparisons, and that rankings are largely relative.

i dont like ur list kizzleshnizzle kobe at 33??!!:roll:

[QUOTE=sick_brah07]4 defensive player of the year awards dont count for anything?[/QUOTE]

1st of all, some of those are disputable. 2nd, unfortunately when you are talking about the top 100 players [B]ever[/B], the DPOY awards don't count for enough if there is the worst offense in the NBA paired with it.

Nash should be higher on the list than Dirk and Kevin Johnson.

[QUOTE=Soundwave]Nash should be higher on the list than Dirk and Kevin Johnson.[/QUOTE]
co sign.

[B]TOO HIGH:[/B]
David Robinson - 19 - He was very athletic and skilled at the center position, but put him above Kobe, Barkley, Stockton and Isaiah, I think not.

Gary Payton - 28 - I'm sure Glove_20 had to do alot of convincing there, The Glove was a skilled offensive player and great on defense, but he is a few spots too high at 28.

Allen Iverson - 31 - Great scorer, passer, great at playing the passing lanes, but hasnt been strong enough through his entire career to be this high.

Tracy McGrady - 53 - Good all around player, but not as consistent as i would like him to be, and not worth a top 55 spot.

[B]TOO LOW:[/B]
Kobe Bryant - 24 - One of the most skilled offensive players of all time, a hard worker and a great defensive force as well, I put him top 20 at least.

Dominique Wilkins - 43 - Greatly under-rated all around player, great offensive foot work and power. I'd put him in the 37-40 range at the lowest.

David Thompson - 69 - Great player, not a good shooter by any means, but a very athletic guy who could get to the hoop with ease, set many records in college, but his career was shortened due to drug problems. 59-63 at the lowest.

[B]WHY?[/B]
Ben Wallace - 99 - What the hell is he doing anywhere near this list?

[QUOTE=LBJ 4 MVP]co sign.
[B]WHY?[/B]
Ben Wallace - 99 - What the hell is he doing anywhere near this list?[/QUOTE]
Basetball is not just an offensive sport, hence guys like Rodman, Mutombo on the list. Wallace is a 4 time DPOY, About 7 time All-D first team, 4 time NBA All-Star, 5 time All-NBA Team Member and a champion.

[quote]Allen Iverson - 31 - Great scorer, passer, great at playing the passing lanes, but hasnt been strong enough through his entire career to be this high.[/quote]
Huh? He's been an amazing player since his rookie year.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Basetball is not just an offensive sport, hence guys like Rodman, Mutombo on the list. Wallace is a 4 time DPOY, About 7 time All-D first team, 4 time NBA All-Star, 5 time All-NBA Team Member and a champion.[/QUOTE]
Why is he listed higher than Mark Aguire, Rolando Blackman, Jack Sikma, and Ed Macauley, among others. He doesnt deserve to be on this list.

heres a GREAT IDEA, hopefully it hasnt been done before, but if your life was on the line and you had to assemble a starting 5 of current and past players respective to their positions... who would you choose...

[QUOTE=LBJ 4 MVP]Why is he listed higher than Mark Aguire, Rolando Blackman, Jack Sikma, and Ed Macauley, among others. He doesnt deserve to be on this list.[/QUOTE]
Mark was only a better scorer then Beg Ben. Ben Wallace = more All-Star games, more All-NBA teams (none actually for Mark) More All-D teams and 4 DPOYS,

Same with Sikma, only a better scorer then Ben. He did have more All-Star squads then Ben (7-4)

Same for Ed Macauley.

I would take Bill Laimbeer over Ben Wallace, thanks.

Nice to see Rodman get some recognition, Rodman and Laimbeer seem to get shafted. Both great players.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]KJ being as top 40 player today means he was a top 30 player when the NBA at 50 list was created 11 years ago. Why wasn't he on the list or even mentioned with the snubs (Nique, McAdoo, English) around the 50 greatest times. How is he not in the hall of fame if he is a top 40 player All-Time. He has only been nominated once for the Hall and was turned down, (that was in 2006) and he wasn't even on the ballot this past seasons Hall of Fame induction.


I'm not saying KJ wasn't a great player, but I think you and G-Matt overrate him a bit. OK, the numbers, him being one of only 3 to do ___ you post that every time we bring up a KJ discussion, but that doesn't really make him a top 40 player at #46.


Tim Hardawy took a team to the Conference Finals, been to the playoff many times with GSW and the Heat. Has just as much accolades as KJ (actually has more), guys played in the same era, yet he is #94 and KJ is #46 and you think he should be higher. Sidney Moncrief has more accolades, a better defender, and about equal efficent scorer as Kev and took his team to the Conference Finals three times, yet he's #64 and KJ is #46.[/QUOTE]

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I beg to disagree L-Kizzle i personally think that Kevin Johnson is one of the greatest Point Guard in the NBA.

Kevin Johnson wasn't voted in the NBA First Team, but he had a better statsline than 2X MVP Steve Nash during his prime, and he was also a much better 1 on 1 defender.

The good thing about Kevin Johnson he only stands at 5'11 3/4, but he shoots at least .500 from the field, and He is one of only three players in history to average at least 20.0 points and 12.0 assists in a season.

I bet he would average more points and assists while playing under Mike D'Antoni's Run and Gun Offense.

Even though he never won an MVP Award while playing for the Phoenix Suns. I still rank him as one of the best Point Guard that ever played in the NBA in the late 1980's and early 1990's.

[B]1988-89[/B] [B]( All NBA 2nd Team)[/B]

20.4 ppg, 12.4 apg, 1.7 spg, 4.2 rpg, 0.3 bpg, .505 FG%, .882 FT%

[B]Team Record:[/B] 55 wins-27 losses

[B]1989-90 ( All NBA 2nd Team) [/B]

22.5 ppg, 11.4 apg, 1.3 spg, 3.6 rpg, 0.2 bpg, .499 FG%, .838 FT%

[B]Team Record: [/B] 54 wins- 28 losses

[B]1990-91 ( All NBA 2nd Team)[/B]

22.2 ppg, 10.1 apg, 3.5 rpg, 2.1 spg, 0.1 spg, .516 FG%, .843 FT%

[B]Team Record: [/B]55 wins-27 losses

[B]1991-92 ( All NBA 3rd Team) [/B]

19.7 ppg, 10.7 apg, 3.7 rpg, 1.5 spg, 0.3 bpg, .807 FT%, .479 FG%

[B]Team Record: [/B]53 wins-29 losses

[B]1993-94 ( All NBA 2nd Team) [/B]

20.0 ppg, 9.7 apg, 2.5 rpg, 1.9 spg, 0.4 bpg, .487 FG%, .819 FT%

[B]Team Record: [/B] 56 wins-26 losses

[B]Kevin Johnson is the greatest PG of the Phoenix Suns Franchise.[/B]

i've got a problem, players from the '50s and '60s shouldn't even be on the list . like bob cousy over kobe? yeah . sure .

this is a ****ed up list. look at Charles Barkely being at 22, haha the dude is in top 10 all time and EVERYONE knows that! :banghead:

[QUOTE]i've got a problem, players from the '50s and '60s shouldn't even be on the list . like bob cousy over kobe? yeah . sure .[/QUOTE]

Yeah, how about just adding only players playing from 2010 onwards? :rolleyes:

Innovator of passing, playmaking and fast-break creating. 1 MVP, 2 ASG MVP's, 8 assist titles, 6 NBA titles. Cousy will forever be a legend.

After looking over the list again:
Zeke and Elvin Hayes should be ranked over Karl Malone. David Robinson also has an argument to be ranked over Karl.

I would put Shaq above both Magic AND Bird.

Kobe hasn't done anything to be ranked above Clyde Drexler, and Rick Barry should be ranked over both.

Patrick Ewing should be ranked above Scottie Pippen, who should be in the range of the 40s.

Sidney Moncrief should have cracked the top 40 and also has an argument to be ranked over Pippen.

Robert Parish being in above Nate Thurmond should be fixed.

Tmac being ranked as high as he is silly, and he has not had a better career than his cousin Vince Carter.

Mitch Richmond should be ranked ahead of Reggie Miller.

Walt Bellamy in the 70s....SMH

If Big Ben is on the list, then Mark Eaton should be as well.

Fat Lever not being on the list is jokes.

Drazen should be on the list, and so should Detlef Shremph.

Walt Frazier should be above AI, and I would slot him above Willis. Jason Kidd also has an argument over the answer.

8-15 could be scrambled and I would not complain, all the players in that range are interchangeable.

Pistol Pete is WAY too high.

[QUOTE=AllenIverson3]this is a ****ed up list. look at Charles Barkely being at 22, haha the dude is in top 10 all time and EVERYONE knows that! :banghead:[/QUOTE]

LMAO AT BARKLEY BEING TOP 10 ALL TIME!

M.Jordan
K.Bryant
S. O'neal
M. Johnson
K. Abdul-Jabar
H. Olajuwon
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Lebron James
Wilt Chamberlain

[QUOTE=Dasher]
Kobe hasn't done anything to be ranked above Clyde Drexler, and Rick Barry should be ranked over both.
[/QUOTE]


:roll: :lol :oldlol:

Man the LOW IQ on here must be contagious.

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]LMAO AT BARKLEY BEING TOP 10 ALL TIME!

M.Jordan
K.Bryant
S. O'neal
M. Johnson
K. Abdul-Jabar
H. Olajuwon
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Lebron James
Wilt Chamberlain[/QUOTE]

You have got to be kidding me...is this in order? And this is seriously your top 10 players of all time?

it's funny that Ray Allen ahead of Paul Pierce 1 year ago:rockon:

[QUOTE=ACCBaller1403]You have got to be kidding me...is this in order? And this is seriously your top 10 players of all time?[/QUOTE]

Thats not the order, but thats the top 10 baby. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Any list without kobe in top 5 is a joke.

lmao at the overrating of legend players like Dr. J who are overrated. If Dr.J is up there, why isn't Lebron up there?
lmao at larry bird being so high. keith van horn+passing.
lmao at some of the pathetic garbage names you have on that list before kobe, lebron or KG for that matter.

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]Thats not the order, but thats the top 10 baby. No ifs, ands or buts about it.[/QUOTE]

What has Lebron or KG done to deserve to be in that list? Where are Bird, Russell, West, Oscar? Hell, I wouldn't even have Kobe in my top 10 all time.

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]Any list without kobe in top 5 is a joke.

lmao at the overrating of legend players like Dr. J who are overrated. If Dr.J is up there, why isn't Lebron up there?
lmao at larry bird being so high. keith van horn+passing.
lmao at some of the pathetic garbage names you have on that list before kobe, lebron or KG for that matter.[/QUOTE]

So you clearly never saw Larry Bird or Keith Van Horn play. Dr. J is in very few people's top 10's and he also accomplished more than Lebron has thus far. Kobe is borderline top 10, and if KG wasn't traded last year, noone would even have him top 20 let alone top 10.

Stop the insanity.

[QUOTE=ACCBaller1403]So you clearly never saw Larry Bird or Keith Van Horn play. Dr. J is in very few people's top 10's and he also accomplished more than Lebron has thus far. Kobe is borderline top 10, and if KG wasn't traded last year, noone would even have him top 20 let alone top 10.

Stop the insanity.[/QUOTE]

Their is a severe case of misjudgment people use to evaluate players. Players should be evalated primarily by their skillsets, overall completeness, and what they do on the court. They should be ranked individually without influece of their teammates, team record, or achievments ( you can't judge a player by their GM). Sure championships are important, but it means nothing really. Horry has 7, Russell has 11- they mean nothing to me. A player could have more rings, more MVPs, it doesnt affect the rankings.

Fact of the matter is I have always had KG in my top 10. He is one of the most unique players of all-time. 6''11 (realy 7, but w/e) can do it all. Impeccable jumpshooter, great post moves that bring a tear to your eye, passing, rebounding, passion, he has it all.

Kobe - Nothing really needs to be said. The most skilled player to ever live. "Yes he is." - Phil jackson on whether Kobe is more skilled than Jordan. Get your head out of your asses people. No one can do what Kobe does on the basketball floor. He has no weaknesses. "Kobe is the PERFECT basketball player." - Rick Carlisle.

Lebron is a PF with PG speed that doesnt' even need a jumpshot to be effective. He would destory most people on that list and his impact on the game is huge.

All 3 are top 10 easily. Lebron (will be be top 10 by end of his career for other people), but we've already seen his prime, so hes in it already for me.

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]Their is a severe case of misjudgment people use to evaluate players. Players should be evalated primarily by their skillsets, overall completeness, and what they do on the court. They should be ranked individually without influece of their teammates, team record, or achievments ( you can't judge a player by their GM). Sure championships are important, but it means nothing really. Horry has 7, Russell has 11- they mean nothing to me. A player could have more rings, more MVPs, it doesnt affect the rankings.

Fact of the matter is I have always had KG in my top 10. He is one of the most unique players of all-time. 6''11 (realy 7, but w/e) can do it all. Impeccable jumpshooter, great post moves that bring a tear to your eye, passing, rebounding, passion, he has it all.

Kobe - Nothing really needs to be said. The most skilled player to ever live. "Yes he is." - Phil jackson on whether Kobe is more skilled than Jordan. Get your head out of your asses people. No one can do what Kobe does on the basketball floor. He has no weaknesses. "Kobe is the PERFECT basketball player." - Rick Carlisle.

Lebron is a PF with PG speed that doesnt' even need a jumpshot to be effective. He would destory most people on that list and his impact on the game is huge.

All 3 are top 10 easily. Lebron (will be be top 10 by end of his career for other people), but we've already seen his prime, so hes in it already for me.[/QUOTE]

You can't just throw out accomplishments like they're nothing. And how, if you're ranking it based on skill, is Bird not on your list? Arguably the most skilled, intelligent player of all time isn't in your top 10.

If you're ranking based solely on skills as well, I'd have Barkley up there, Lebron would not be up there, and Kobe would definately not be higher than Jordan. West was as skilled as you can be in basketball and he's not up there.

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]:roll: :lol :oldlol:

Man the LOW IQ on here must be contagious.[/QUOTE]

They're catching it from you. You're the monkey from Outbreak, you're carrying the Motaba Virus.

Anyway, I only skimmed the list and on based on that [B]my[/B] opinions are. . .

. . .Ben Wallace should be no where near this list.

I think Tom Chambers should be higher. Dude was one of the most underrated Forwards of the 80's.

I'd switch Hakeem and Russell.

I'd make Barkley Top 20, push Robinson and Mikan down a little.

Kobe is fine where he is, maybe even a little high.

[QUOTE=Dasher]After looking over the list again:
Zeke and Elvin Hayes should be ranked over Karl Malone. David Robinson also has an argument to be ranked over Karl.

I would put Shaq above both Magic AND Bird.

Kobe hasn't done anything to be ranked above Clyde Drexler, and Rick Barry should be ranked over both.

Patrick Ewing should be ranked above Scottie Pippen, who should be in the range of the 40s.

Sidney Moncrief should have cracked the top 40 and also has an argument to be ranked over Pippen.

Robert Parish being in above Nate Thurmond should be fixed.

Tmac being ranked as high as he is silly, and he has not had a better career than his cousin Vince Carter.

Mitch Richmond should be ranked ahead of Reggie Miller.

Walt Bellamy in the 70s....SMH

If Big Ben is on the list, then Mark Eaton should be as well.

Fat Lever not being on the list is jokes.

Drazen should be on the list, and so should Detlef Shremph.

Walt Frazier should be above AI, and I would slot him above Willis. Jason Kidd also has an argument over the answer.

8-15 could be scrambled and I would not complain, all the players in that range are interchangeable.

Pistol Pete is WAY too high.[/QUOTE]


You were doing fine with elvin and Zeke over Karl but Shaq over Bird and magic Im just shaking my head.
Why is big ben even talked about in a All Time Great List.

[QUOTE=ACCBaller1403]You have got to be kidding me...is this in order? And this is seriously your top 10 players of all time?[/QUOTE]

no chance

think iverson should be lower
karl malone should be lower
rodman should be lower
bill walton should be lower
kevin johnson should be lower
t mac should be a lil lower

barkley should be higher
clyde should be higher
nique should be higher
c webb should be considerably higher
kg should be a lil higher
nash sould be a lil higher
ZO SHOULD BE HIGHER


in a few years when players like lebron wade bosh amare and others jump on this list chaos will ensue

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]Any list without kobe in top 5 is a joke.

lmao at the overrating of legend players like Dr. J who are overrated. If Dr.J is up there, why isn't Lebron up there?
lmao at larry bird being so high. keith van horn+passing.
lmao at some of the pathetic garbage names you have on that list before kobe, lebron or KG for that matter.[/QUOTE]

buddy wer talking about all time and not past 10 years. You know nothing since you have kobe,lebron,garnett,duncan, and shaq all in top 10.

Right now Shaq is the only one that top50 all time.

[QUOTE=ACCBaller1403]You can't just throw out accomplishments like they're nothing. And how, if you're ranking it based on skill, is Bird not on your list? Arguably the most skilled, intelligent player of all time isn't in your top 10.[/QUOTE]

-Poor, unfundamental jumpshot mechanics (KB = perfect jumpshot)
-A defensive liability (only plays 1 side of the floor, unlike KB who is 9 time defensive member)
-Slow foot speed, quickness (no where near KB)
-His finish ability around the rim is no where near kobe

[QUOTE]
If you're ranking based solely on skills as well, I'd have Barkley up there, [/QUOTE]

Lacked a 3 point shot and the finish ability of KB. Lacked the killer instinct, clutchness, off-hand abilites of Kobe as well.

[quote] Kobe would definately not be higher than Jordan. West was as skilled as you can be in basketball and he's not up there.[/QUOTE]

West? Please tell me thats a joke. He had no off-hand, not a great finisher around rim ( compared to KB), nowhere as good defensively.

Jordan is the only one thats in same boat as kobe skill wise.

Kobe vs. Jordan (Skil wise)

Kobe: Better shooter ( Midrange, Longrange), Better Ball-handler, Better scorer, better off-hand, better killer-instinct, better passer, better playmaker

Jordan: Smarter player, better inside player, better post player, more consistent defensively.

As an offensive force at the least Shaq is their equal. On defense it is not close. Neither of them are in Shaq's class on that end of the court. If you take away the whole "saving of the NBA" out of the equation, people would be able to objectively look at these players, and correctly conclude that Shaq is better than both Magic and Bird.

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]-Poor, unfundamental jumpshot mechanics (KB = perfect jumpshot)
-A defensive liability (only plays 1 side of the floor, unlike KB who is 9 time defensive member)
-Slow foot speed, quickness (no where near KB)
-His finish ability around the rim is no where near kobe



Lacked a 3 point shot and the finish ability of KB. Lacked the killer instinct, clutchness, off-hand abilites of Kobe as well.



West? Please tell me thats a joke. He had no off-hand, not a great finisher around rim ( compared to KB), nowhere as good defensively.

Jordan is the only one thats in same boat as kobe skill wise.

Kobe vs. Jordan (Skil wise)

Kobe: Better shooter ( Midrange, Longrange), Better Ball-handler, [B][U]Better scorer, [B][U]better off-hand[/U][/B], better killer-instinct[/U][/B], better passer, better playmaker

Jordan: Smarter player, better inside player, better post player, more consistent defensively.[/QUOTE]

bold is your stupidest of many stupid statments. jordan is probably the most determined and insanly strong willed of all time , his 'killer instinct' ****s on kobe

and yes hes a better scorer than kobe as well goes without saying

A whole grip of Lakers in the top ten...I LOVE IT!!!

[QUOTE=KB42PAH]

Jordan is the only one thats in same boat as kobe skill wise.

Kobe vs. Jordan (Skil wise)

Kobe: Better shooter ( Midrange, Longrange), Better Ball-handler, Better scorer, better off-hand, better killer-instinct, better passer, better playmaker

[/QUOTE]

Please dude. If Kobe was a better shooter he would have shot a consistent 50% from the field. He hasn't. Jordan shoots better from the field, has a higher efg% and a higher ts%.
Jordan is the much better scorer quite easily. Only player to average 30+ ppg in the playoffs in nba history and did it in the season and finals as well.
30.1 ppg in the season, 33.4 ppg in the playoffs, 33.6 ppg in the finals

Kobe in the season is at 25.0 ppg, he is at 24.3 ppg in the playoffs and at 23.0 ppg in the finals.

Jordan has 10 scoring titles to Kobe's 2 scoring titles and Kobe in the playoffs has never even averaged in any given year what MJ's career playoffs average was.

Kobe is also nowhere near the playmaker Jordan was and definitely doesn't have MJ's killer instinct.

I don't know where you got that Kobe was even close to Jordan, but the fact that a guy doesn't show up in the finals and plays bad in every one should tell you about his killer instinct. A guy who has been in 5 finals and yet has 0 finals mvp's vs a guy who has been in 6 finals and has 6 finals mvp's.

case closed^^^

[QUOTE=TmacsRockets]Please dude. If Kobe was a better shooter he would have shot a consistent 50% from the field. He hasn't. Jordan shoots better from the field, has a higher efg% and a higher ts%.[/QUOTE]

1) FG% has nothing to do with Shooting ability
2) 2001-present is the Zone era of basketball. Jordan shot 42% in zone era.

[QUOTE]Jordan is the much better scorer quite easily. Only player to average 30+ ppg in the playoffs in nba history and did it in the season and finals as well.
30.1 ppg in the season, 33.4 ppg in the playoffs, 33.6 ppg in the finals
Kobe in the season is at 25.0 ppg, he is at 24.3 ppg in the playoffs and at 23.0 ppg in the finals.
Jordan has 10 scoring titles to Kobe's 2 scoring titles and Kobe in the playoffs has never even averaged in any given year what MJ's career playoffs average was.[/QUOTE]

1) Kobe didnt' get playing time early in his career
2) He played alongside Shaq, yet still put up huge numbers
3) Season averages mean nothing really. Kobe could have gotten the scoring title from 2002-now every single year, but he has played in best interest of the team.

Kobe Bryant's Scoring accomplishments that blow Jordan out the water:

-81 points in a game
-62 points in 33 minutes, outscoring dallas 62-61
-40 points in first 18 minutes of the game (42 at half)
-4 straight 45+ point games
-4 straight 50+ point games
-9 straigh 40+ point games
-13 straight 35+ point games
-551 points in 13 games
-43.4 ppg january 2006
-40.1 ppg april 2006
-42.4 ppg February 2003
-only player to score 2800 points and 180 threes in a season
-92 Career 40+ point games
-24 career 50+ point games
-4 career 60+ point games

Jordan has never outscored a team himself.
Jordan has never had 81
Jordan never had 50+ in 4 straight
Jordan never average 40 ppg for a month (Kobe has done it 3 times)

[Quote]Kobe is also nowhere near the playmaker Jordan was and definitely doesn't have MJ's killer instinct.[/quote]

Kobe is 100% fearless on the court to take and make anyshot. Jordan didnt' have that. He lacked confidence beyond the arc, what if your team was down 3 or 4 points? I would much rather have kobe's unstoppable 3 point shot to will my team back. This is why Wade and Lebron are useless in tight games or when their team is down by 3 or more points in close games final seconds.

[Quote]I don't know where you got that Kobe was even close to Jordan, but the fact that a guy doesn't show up in the finals and plays bad in every one should tell you about his killer instinct. A guy who has been in 5 finals and yet has 0 finals mvp's vs a guy who has been in 6 finals and has 6 finals mvp's.[/QUOTE]

2004 Pistons and 2008 Celtics >>> Anything Jordan faced in Finals.
Jordan' team>>>>Kobe's team
Jordan's teammates>>>Kobes teammates
This era 2000-present>>90s'

Finals MVP = irrelevant.

Kobe is still only 30, I know that makes you piss your pants. He will win 2-4 more rings still. Bynum will be the best center soon. Pau is top 3 PF. Tmac meanwhile is out 3 weeks and will accomplish nothing .