[QUOTE=DatZNasty]You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=DatZNasty]You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds[/QUOTE]
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George blocks the trade then goes 0/11 from the field...
Im going to start calling him the "Mavs Killer".
[QUOTE=meh]What's the most he can sign for though? The minimum, pro-rated for 1/3 of the season, is not that much even if it is on top of his old contract.
The fact that Dallas "won't give him a great contract" has no bearing on his decision. His choices are
1. Go along with the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year and have to move to a different city for the next few months.
2. Refuse the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year... but with the potential, however slight, of earning more. And also doesn't have to leave his home.
Why would he NOT pick option #2?[/QUOTE]
everyones gonna hate him for being so selfish its not about him its about the mavericks and sleeping on this trade would be retarted
u gotta look at the interview if u havent already...he says "i gotta think abou t my self first"
[QUOTE=meh]What's the most he can sign for though? The minimum, pro-rated for 1/3 of the season, is not that much even if it is on top of his old contract.
The fact that Dallas "won't give him a great contract" has no bearing on his decision. His choices are
1. Go along with the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year and have to move to a different city for the next few months.
2. Refuse the trade. Make mediocre(for an NBA player) money next year... but with the potential, however slight, of earning more. And also doesn't have to leave his home.
Why would he NOT pick option #2?[/QUOTE]
Actually I believe he is opting for option #3.
3.Allowing the trade to go through after forcing the Nets or Dallas to give some kind of deal in the future.
But what I am confused about is why hasn't Cuban taken care of this already like I said in my earlier post.
Why don't the Mavs just tell him: "Screw your Bird rights, if you block the trade WE WON'T RE-SIGN YOU AND WILL BENCH YOU RENDERING THE POINT MOOT."
[QUOTE=Lakers Fan]Actually I believe he is opting for option #3.
3.Allowing the trade to go through after forcing the Nets or Dallas to give some kind of deal in the future. [/QUOTE]
Probably. But that's contingent on him choosing to block the trade first.
[QUOTE]But what I am confused about is why hasn't Cuban taken care of this already like I said in my earlier post. [/QUOTE]
I'm guessing the people involved forgot all about this clause.
[QUOTE=CaNt Be ToUcHeD]everyones gonna hate him for being so selfish its not about him its about the mavericks and sleeping on this trade would be retarted
u gotta look at the interview if u havent already...he says "i gotta think abou t my self first"[/QUOTE]
I know he says that. But why is he wrong? I don't know why he would show more loyalty to a team who were just about to trade him, rather than to himself.
[QUOTE=eliteballer]Why don't the Mavs just tell him: "Screw your Bird rights, if you block the trade WE WON'T RE-SIGN YOU AND WILL BENCH YOU RENDERING THE POINT MOOT."[/QUOTE]
Probably because they'll then piss off every potential role-player FA in the future. Who'd want to sign with an organization so venomous to its players?
[QUOTE=eliteballer]Why don't the Mavs just tell him: "Screw your Bird rights, if you block the trade WE WON'T RE-SIGN YOU AND WILL BENCH YOU RENDERING THE POINT MOOT."[/QUOTE]
And his agent will come back with: "Secure us some kind of deal and we waive the clause. If you do not want to do it then fine. Say goodbye to Kidd and have fun getting motivation out of all the players you already halfway shoved out the door." Frankly I think he has MUCH more leverage than the Mavs do.
I hope things work out for DG. He's a good guy and one of the only players to be close friends with Kobe who is kind of an introvert.
I don't understand how this wasn't vetted by the Mavs' lawyers before the deal was made public. Someone's getting fired over this.
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds[/QUOTE]
How often did he do that? You are talking about game[B]s[/B]!
I only can remember 1 game!
What is hilarious about this is that, after this debacle, George somehow believes he will be resigned by the Mavericks or that the Mavericks will help George in with a sign and trade. He just ruined their blockbuster trade, but wants Mavs to help him at year end? Too funny!!!
Just accept the trade. All George has to do is get assurances that Nets will buy him out, and then he can sign with someone else and make more money. That should make him happy.
[QUOTE=alexthegod]when is the last time a filler killed a deal? Wow:eek: This will be amazing if it kills the deal. I can't imagine it would, but I'm its going to force dallas to do something it doesnt want to do.[/QUOTE]
when a punk who demands a trade b/c he's pissey his crappy playing ass isnt getting PT and then when the team makes it so he throws his BS no trade clause that came from an odd quirk in the CBA rules in the teams face.
[QUOTE=Silverbullit]How often did he do that? You are talking about game[B]s[/B]!
I only can remember 1 game![/QUOTE]
Your right, there's only been 1 game, one time in the history of the league a team has ever lost a elimination game against a 8th seed.....DatzNasty, you gotta fix that.
[QUOTE=FPower]
Not that I really blame George. If he doesn't want to get traded, and he's in that rare position that he has the ability to stop it...can't blame him.[/QUOTE]
yea except for the fact that he was demanding through the papers a week or so ago that either the team needed to play him or trade so he could get his value up for a contract next year.
[QUOTE=Qwyjibo]The Mavericks are the dumb ones here. First for giving him a no-trade clause and then seemingly forgetting that he had it and might use it here.
I'd do the same thing. Stay on the better team and have at least the chance for a bigger contract after this one finishes. Just because the Mavs really want Jason Kidd shouldn't mean a thing to George.[/QUOTE]
they did NOT give him a no trade clause. b/c he was on a one year deal last year in Dallas and then signed another one year deal this year the rules of the CBA state that the no trade clause is automatically in place.
the fact remains that George has already said if he isnt in the Mavs plans he wants to be moved.
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George said before Sunday's game against the Detroit Pistons that, if his role remains limited, he would like the chance to play elsewhere in hopes of increasing his stock as an unrestricted free agent after the season.[/QUOTE]
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they grant him his wish and he throws the CBA in the teams face.
You CANT defend that.
not only did he just scuttle a major deal b/c of his selfishness, how the hell do you smooth things over with Harris who was about to be shipped out? He jsut destroyed the entire team.
and Datz, STFU with this defending him b/c he would lose his Bird rights and a chance at a bigger pay day. NOBODY would have signed his useless ass for even as much as he is getting this year let alone more b/c his story is always the same. He CANT F-ING shoot well b/c his shot selection flat out sucks and he WILL get hurt and have to miss several games. Any good he does on D is ruined by his offense being so god awful. All he ever does is jack up deep jumpers (usually just inside the 3point line) that rarely go in which cause easy fast break opportunities for other teams that the Mavs either give up easy buckets on or have to burn a foul to stop it. He is HORRIBLE. For all your complaining about Dirks performance in the playoffs last year (and dont even lie and say Dirk did not face double and triple teams the whole series) you know what George did with his wide open shots? Shot f-ing [B]20%[/B].
Still not optimistic about the chance for Nets to keep him.
Will this trade still go though
[QUOTE=kentatm]the fact remains that George has already said if he isnt in the Mavs plans he wants to be moved. they grant him his wish and he throws the CBA in the teams face.
You CANT defend that.[/QUOTE]
100% agreed. This is a puzzling move for George, and one can only conclude that he's getting bad advice. What team is going to sign him to a contract worth double his current terms? Certainly not the two teams involved in the trade.
Some people applauded him for "looking out for no. 1" but I don't see how this helps him, and plenty of ways that it hurts him.
He's an idiot. His bird rights are worth nothing. If he stays in Dallas, they will NEVER resign him. So having Bird rights is useless. And coming a week after a trade request?
The only way his bird rights would mean anything if the nets decide he's a good influence on the kids and want to keep him BUT he refused to go there.
WTF.....
[QUOTE=eliteballer]Why don't the Mavs just tell him: "Screw your Bird rights, if you block the trade WE WON'T RE-SIGN YOU AND WILL BENCH YOU RENDERING THE POINT MOOT."[/QUOTE]
At least then he gets to go to the team he wants next year, instead of playing in a swamp with losers.
[QUOTE]George's agent, in fact, said Wednesday night there's still a chance his client will OK the trade.
"We didn't intend for this to be a line in the sand," Mark Bartelstein said by phone. "They (the Mavericks) brought this to us just before the game and I didn't think there was enough time to discuss it."[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=slaman]Devean George: "I'll be the bad guy"
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iBYXeUF5s8[/url][/QUOTE]
The Mavs should bench him for the rest of the season and say that they're doing what is best for them. He sucks anyway.
He says he wants to get traded
Complains about not getting playingtime
4weeks later he gets traded
Says no to the trade
Says that he looks like the badboy
No, he does not look like a badboy, but rather a crybaby
Its not like traded is something fun. People suddenly have to leave their familie and live out of suitcase, but when you are the 10th man and ask for a trade, you rather be happy for being traded. You make 2mill a year! I have no sympathy at all.
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]You gotta admire how you admire MVPs who shoot 2-14 in elimination games against 8th seeds[/QUOTE]
:D
There isn't a chance in hell the Mavs re-sign George, but he's awesome for doing this anyway. Baseball players hold up deals all the time to make the new team give them a new contract. Only reason to be mad at George is if you're a Mavs fan, and even then, he's just exercising his rights.
If this trade does happen. Then i'll hope Carter will come to Magic.
The deal can easily be fixed.
[url=http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=10~429~2801~2982~992~2382~998~802&teams=6~6~6~17~17~17~17~17&te=&cash=]Nets/Mavs - Trade[/url]
Nets
- Harris
- Hassell
- Diop
- Ager
- Stackhouse
Mavs
- Kidd
- Allen
- Wright
Not sure why they aren't or haven't just done this deal yet.
Instead of sending Wright in a separate deal they can include him in the original one and switch George with Hassell
Besides once the deal goes down, the Mavs should buy out George's contract.
HOW in the world you trade 4 guys from your rotation to an aging 34 years old Pg.......and on top of that diop( xfactor)...Can u imagine Dampier going against a frontline of bynum-gasol(turiaf)- duncan-oberto and (elson) shaq and amare...Cuban should thank george for this.
[QUOTE=kentatm]the fact remains that George has already said if he isnt in the Mavs plans he wants to be moved.
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they grant him his wish and he throws the CBA in the teams face.
You CANT defend that.
not only did he just scuttle a major deal b/c of his selfishness, how the hell do you smooth things over with Harris who was about to be shipped out? He jsut destroyed the entire team.
and Datz, STFU with this defending him b/c he would lose his Bird rights and a chance at a bigger pay day. NOBODY would have signed his useless ass for even as much as he is getting this year let alone more b/c his story is always the same. He CANT F-ING shoot well b/c his shot selection flat out sucks and he WILL get hurt and have to miss several games. Any good he does on D is ruined by his offense being so god awful. All he ever does is jack up deep jumpers (usually just inside the 3point line) that rarely go in which cause easy fast break opportunities for other teams that the Mavs either give up easy buckets on or have to burn a foul to stop it. He is HORRIBLE. For all your complaining about Dirks performance in the playoffs last year (and dont even lie and say Dirk did not face double and triple teams the whole series) you know what George did with his wide open shots? Shot f-ing [B]20%[/B].[/QUOTE]
What makes you all think I like him so much anyways? I prefer him to Stackhouse, Hassell, and Jones, but would I really say I like him? Not really. It's just obviously in his best interest to get the most money he can. Nobody may think he's worth 5.3mil obviously next yr, but there's a chance he can get a deal up to that large to facilitate some sort of move. And FWIW, he shot 25% Stackhouse shot 31% Dirk shot 38%
Given the chance, I'd replace him with Terrence Kinsey in a New York minute and/or bring Reyshawn Terry back over.
[QUOTE=kgisbigticket]The deal can easily be fixed.
[url=http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=10~429~2801~2982~992~2382~998~802&teams=6~6~6~17~17~17~17~17&te=&cash=]Nets/Mavs - Trade[/url]
Nets
- Harris
- Hassell
- Diop
- Ager
- Stackhouse
Mavs
- Kidd
- Allen
- Wright
Not sure why they aren't or haven't just done this deal yet.
Instead of sending Wright in a separate deal they can include him in the original one and switch George with Hassell
Besides once the deal goes down, the Mavs should buy out George's contract.[/QUOTE]
Not really.
The Nets want George, not Hassell at 4.3M per year for 3 years.
George's salary is only 2.3 M and an expirer.
[QUOTE=Topdoglakers]HOW in the world you trade 4 guys from your rotation to an aging 34 years old Pg.......and on top of that diop( xfactor)...Can u imagine Dampier going against a frontline of bynum-gasol(turiaf)- duncan-oberto and (elson) shaq and amare...Cuban should thank george for this.[/QUOTE]
i see your point
Cant mavs just replace George with Eddie Jones as hes a expier for around the same place
[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]There isn't a chance in hell the Mavs re-sign George, but he's awesome for doing this anyway. Baseball players hold up deals all the time to make the new team give them a new contract. Only reason to be mad at George is if you're a Mavs fan, and even then, he's just exercising his rights.[/QUOTE]
yep
George's Larry Bird rights are worthless now.
Does Devean really expect the Mavs to resign him this offseason or "sign and trade" him after this debacle? That will never happen now. Therefore, his Bird rights mean nothing. So, in essence, he is going to give up rights that he will never be able to use anyway. And he's simply pissing off an entire city and making himself look silly.
He should just accept the trade and try to get some more compensation out of the deal, and/or ask the Nets to buy him out so he can get a second contract and benefit.
[QUOTE=Topdoglakers]HOW in the world you trade 4 guys from your rotation to an aging 34 years old Pg.......and on top of that diop( xfactor)...Can u imagine Dampier going against a frontline of bynum-gasol(turiaf)- duncan-oberto and (elson) shaq and amare...Cuban should thank george for this.[/QUOTE]
4 Rotation players? Who?
George sucks and is easily replace by Hassel, Jones, Wright, etc.
Stackhouse would be back with the team in 30 days
Diop is severly overrated, and critics have been blasting the Dallas front line for years even with Diop. If he were that important he would play more than 17 minutes a night. IMO Brandon Bass is a better player, and I much rather have him as a Nets fan.
Harris is the most important player that is going to be lost, and he is what? The 4th or 5th most important component of this team after Dirk, Howard, Terry and maybe Dampier?
Basically you give up your 4th or 5th most important player for the Nets most important player, and who will be the new leader of the Mavs. Not a bad deal.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]4 Rotation players? Who?
George sucks and is easily replace by Hassel, Jones, Wright, etc.
Stackhouse would be back with the team in 30 days
Diop is severly overrated, and critics have been blasting the Dallas front line for years even with Diop. If he were that important he would play more than 17 minutes a night. IMO Brandon Bass is a better player, and I much rather have him as a Nets fan.
Harris is the most important player that is going to be lost, and he is what? The 4th or 5th most important component of this team after Dirk, Howard, Terry and maybe Dampier?
Basically you give up your 4th or 5th most important player for the Nets most important player, and who will be the new leader of the Mavs. Not a bad deal.[/QUOTE]
I think that's why its a good trade for both teams. If Nets ain't winning now, why not get point guard of the future who has ever more upside.
Mavs get Kidd, and keep top four players (Dirk, Terry, Howard, Damp) on the team.
Win, win.....although in 2 years Mavs might regret it if Harris gets better.....
deavan george is hilarious. who does he think he is? worrying about how much $ he's getting next year when it's obvious he'll be lucky to be in the league.
HELLO!?!?! McFLY!?!!? UR FRIGGEN DEAVAN GEORGE!!!
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I think George is getting advice from Carlos Boozer.
[QUOTE=DatZNasty]What makes you all think I like him so much anyways? I prefer him to Stackhouse, Hassell, and Jones, but would I really say I like him? Not really. It's just obviously in his best interest to get the most money he can. Nobody may think he's worth 5.3mil obviously next yr, but there's a chance he can get a deal up to that large to facilitate some sort of move. And FWIW, he shot 25% Stackhouse shot 31% Dirk shot 38%
Given the chance, I'd replace him with Terrence Kinsey in a New York minute and/or bring Reyshawn Terry back over.[/QUOTE]
why do I think this? What, are you like George and think people will forget things you recently said?
[QUOTE]He has a point....
[B]And we should pay him more[/B][/QUOTE]
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You said he should be paid more than he is already getting! I have no idea why b/c the Mavs OVERPAID him this summer in the first place.
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There was NVER any chance he could have gotten a bigger deal. NEVER. Plus, HE DID NOT SHOOT 25%, he shot and even worse 20% in the playoffs. He was getting wide open jumpers and he shot 20%. Yet this clown thinks he is worth something more? This is AFTER HE DEMANDED A TRADE IF HE WAS NOT IN THE TEAMS PLANS.
[URL="http://www.nba.com/playerfile/devean_george/career_stats.html"]DGs playoff stats[/URL]
How in the hell do you not get this? THEY GAVE HIM HIS WISH. Also for his agent to say they were told "Right before the game" is FALSE. George himself said last night he knew about it by at least 11am Dallas time. The game was not till 7pm. Yet his agent wasn't able to make any sense of it by then EVEN THOUGH HIS CLIENT HAD ALREADY ASKED FOR A TRADE?
I don't blame Devean honestly. If you see players like Kidd unhappy for the Nets, and Carter and Jefferson don't look too happy rightnow, why would you want to be traded to the Nets who are obviously giong to try to rebuild after this year when you're playing for a top West team rightnow?