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biisak = pb = imsorryguys = created moron?
Would make sense. What idiot types what biisak does then say [I]"I wish there were refs as posters on this board to tell me how much of a DUMBASS i am"[/I]. Like really.
Next biisak is gonna tell us its illegal to pump fake. You cant fake a defender like you're going to shoot but really dont. You cant do that! Same way you cant slap the floor, dance and moon the guy about to shoot his FTs!!!
[QUOTE=XxNeXuSxX]Okay, if there was any last doubt that PleezeBelieve was a troll, it has to be gone.
Why isn't he perma banned ?[/QUOTE]
PB is actually a decent poster. He is just misunderstood for his undying love, and devotion to Lebron James.
RIP Pleezebelieve ( 2006-2008) :( :( :(
[QUOTE=BankShot]I've never tried it to the extent that Battier displayed today, but my guess is that it takes a certain level of dexterity and reaction time to be able to place one's hand in there quick enough without fouling.[/QUOTE]
It does, and this is exactly why more guys don't do it. For it to be truly effective, you also have to remain close enough to the shooter, which is not easy when a guy like Kobe is trying to put moves on you to free himself up.
In a way, it's actually easier to do against a guy like Kobe who has perfect shooting form than it is against guys who have awkward/incorrect shooting forms, because you always know that he's going to bring the ball straight up from his pocket and that his arms will be spaced in a certain way.
[QUOTE=Loki]It does, and this is exactly why more guys don't do it. For it to be truly effective, you also have to remain close enough to the shooter, which is not easy when a guy like Kobe is trying to put moves on you to free himself up.
In a way, it's actually easier to do against a guy like Kobe who has perfect shooting form than it is against guys who have awkward/incorrect shooting forms, because you always know that he's going to bring the ball straight up from his pocket and that his arms will be spaced in a certain way.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'd imagine it'd be hard doing it against Shawn Marion. Although Marion releases the ball around his face anyway so that would be an automatic block. :roll:
[QUOTE=Lebron23]PB is actually a decent poster. He is just misunderstood for his undying love, and devotion to Lebron James.
RIP Pleezebelieve ( 2006-2008) :( :( :([/QUOTE]
Darius Miles is a good basketball player. Sorry you dont get props for what you could have become, moreso for what you became. Period.
Kobe should just wear goggles vs. the Rockets next game. I've seen face-guarding but I've NEVER seen it to that extent in a game or while playing myself. I guess it'd be pretty frustrating especially when you're not getting any calls driving to the hoop lol
My high school coach mentioned that it's especially useful at cooling down jumpshooters who've caught fire. I've done it before, but I don't try to do it all the time. It's hard to do against experienced skilled players who know what they're doing. And sometimes people are skilled enough that they get a good enough look at the rim before you get your hand there, to drain the shot. Over all my years of playing, I've gotten one complaint about it - during a pickup game, from some dorky-looking idiot who was a complete ballhog and had no moves besides a spin followed with a jumpshot.
The fact that Battier could consistently keep up with someone as skilled at creating his own shot as Kobe Byrant is pretty amazing.
Edit - found a clip of it on youtube. Video quality is a little dodge but you can see it easily on the last 3 pointer Kobe put up.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hFOPJZhG28[/url]
Battier simply has an excellent defensive basketball IQ.
[QUOTE=3stat2]My high school coach mentioned that it's especially useful at cooling down jumpshooters who've caught fire. I've done it before, but I don't try to do it all the time. It's hard to do against experienced skilled players who know what they're doing. And sometimes people are skilled enough that they get a good enough look at the rim before you get your hand there, to drain the shot. Over all my years of playing, I've gotten one complaint about it - during a pickup game, from some dorky-looking idiot who was a complete ballhog and had no moves besides a spin followed with a jumpshot.
The fact that Battier could consistently keep up with someone as skilled at creating his own shot as Kobe Byrant is pretty amazing.
Edit - found a clip of it on youtube. Video quality is a little dodge but you can see it easily on the last 3 pointer Kobe put up.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hFOPJZhG28[/url]
Battier simply has an excellent defensive basketball IQ.[/QUOTE]
I had a similar complaint once playing with girls (it was the last time I ever played with them) It was pick up in college with guys from my team and girls from the girls team
a girl was taking a shot and I ran at her with my hand extended and yelled out shot. She got mad cause I yelled like I was cheating or something. All the guys laughed and we kicked all the girls out of the game.
I do this too....
[quote=wizzla11]I had a similar complaint once playing with girls (it was the last time I ever played with them) It was pick up in college with guys from my team and girls from the girls team
a girl was taking a shot and I ran at her with my hand extended and yelled out shot. She got mad cause I yelled like I was cheating or something. All the guys laughed and we kicked all the girls out of the game.[/quote]She should have hit you in the face with the ball. Completely legal, but just as bush league.
So, after all the sh!t Created Player has posted over the last few months, this is what got him banned? WTF?!?
[QUOTE=vert48]So, after all the sh!t Created Player has posted over the last few months, this is what got him banned? WTF?!?[/QUOTE]
Did he really get banned? :oldlol:
:roll:
I like LeBron, so its good to remove people that make LeBron fans look bad.
Crazy thing is...Battier does this EVERYtime he guards Kobe. It just happened to "work" a little better in this particular game. For a guy as talented as Kobe, a hand in the face wont even matter if he gets hot. Like those other games where Kobe dropped 50 on the Rockets. He did it with Battier's hand literally 1 inch from his face. Shane is an incredible defender, and that makes Kobe's offense that much more impressive.
[quote=RIMMER]Crazy thing is...Battier does this EVERYtime he guards Kobe. It just happened to "work" a little better in this particular game. For a guy as talented as Kobe, a hand in the face wont even matter if he gets hot. Like those other games where Kobe dropped 50 on the Rockets. He did it with Battier's hand literally 1 inch from his face. Shane is an incredible defender, and that makes Kobe's offense that much more impressive.[/quote]All kobe needed to do was not fade away on a few of those and Battier would have fouled him. So, start out with a few fade aways to get Battier extending further, then go straight up or even forward and battier hits him in the face and gets called for it. People used to do this to Karl Malone, so he started kicking his foot out.
[QUOTE=vert48]All kobe needed to do was not fade away on a few of those and Battier would have fouled him. So, start out with a few fade aways to get Battier extending further, then go straight up or even forward and battier hits him in the face and gets called for it. People used to do this to Karl Malone, so he started kicking his foot out.[/QUOTE]
Easier said than done. There's no reason for Kobe to change his shot for the sole purpose of getting his defender into foul trouble. In fact, I think that would throw him off even more. I think Battier has watched enough Kobe footage and has played him 1v1 enough times to have a concrete grasp on his offensive tendencies and the viable adjustments to be made.
But as I said before, if Kobe gets hot, there is absolutely nothing Battier can do to stop him.
[quote=RIMMER]Easier said than done. There's no reason for Kobe to change his shot for the sole purpose of getting his defender into foul trouble. In fact, I think that would throw him off even more. I think Battier has watched enough Kobe footage and has played him 1v1 enough times to have a concrete grasp on his offensive tendencies and the viable adjustments to be made.
But as I said before, if Kobe gets hot, there is absolutely nothing Battier can do to stop him.[/quote]I am not saying that he change all of his shots, just that he throw in a Crazy Ivan every once in awhile, especially when Battier was really in the groove and playing tight defense.
When I am holding the ball, looking to pass and a defender who plays me really tight is jumping all over the place trying to swat at the ball, constantly hitting me in the arms, I just step through on him. I only need to do it once, and the problem is solved.
Some funny stuff from the Clutch BBS:
[IMG]http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd164/vladthegreat81/whereithappens.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.c3homedesign.com/sishir/talktothehand.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=RIMMER]Easier said than done. There's no reason for Kobe to change his shot for the sole purpose of getting his defender into foul trouble. In fact, I think that would throw him off even more. I think Battier has watched enough Kobe footage and has played him 1v1 enough times to have a concrete grasp on his offensive tendencies and the viable adjustments to be made.
But as I said before, if Kobe gets hot, there is absolutely nothing Battier can do to stop him.[/QUOTE]
you always have the best avatars. by far.
anyway, i think what the rockets did that made the faceguarding work so well yesterday was to fight kobe off the ball so that he got it and didn't have time to make a lot of moves. when he tried to take battier off the dribble, he met with a lot of success as far as getting into the paint, but he didn't get to make a lot of moves because the d was smothering without the ball, and when he did make moves, the team rotated really well. he missed some pressiured shots inside and made some passes to guys in spots that bynum or gasol would have easily converted.
[QUOTE=RIMMER]Some funny stuff from the Clutch BBS:
[IMG]http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd164/vladthegreat81/whereithappens.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.c3homedesign.com/sishir/talktothehand.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
He's not allowed to do that tho. Thats a foul
[quote=No_Look604]p.s. What are peoples' opinions on yelling out something before someone goes up for a shot? I'm all for it, with moderation of course:P Usually do it when a guy's in close with an easy one.[/quote]Be careful with that. Do that to the wrong guy and you will be picking your teeth out of his elbow next time down the floor.
[QUOTE=TMac&Luther]Did he really get banned? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
He changed his "Lebron troll..." stuff to "Banned" so he can leave for a few days till everyday forgets this thread and what an ***hole he is.
Pretty clever.
lame post.
disrupting the shooter's view of the rim is better than nothing.
And how exactly is this puss?:party:
[QUOTE=vert48]I am not saying that he change all of his shots, just that he throw in a Crazy Ivan every once in awhile, especially when Battier was really in the groove and playing tight defense.
When I am holding the ball, looking to pass and a defender who plays me really tight is jumping all over the place trying to swat at the ball, constantly hitting me in the arms, I just step through on him. I only need to do it once, and the problem is solved.[/QUOTE]
How is the problem solved if you get one foul on your defender? Not only will it disrupt your shot and your offensive flow, it might not even be called a foul; not all defenders will fall for that. :)
I didn't get to see all of the game but one thing that I noticed that played into Houston's hand was Phil Jackson kept running side pick and rolls for Kobe on the left wing even though Houston was "blue'ing" the screen. LA should have flipped those to the right wing and see if it would force Houston's hand.
[QUOTE=RIMMER]Crazy thing is...Battier does this EVERYtime he guards Kobe. It just happened to "work" a little better in this particular game. For a guy as talented as Kobe, a hand in the face wont even matter if he gets hot. Like those other games where Kobe dropped 50 on the Rockets. He did it with Battier's hand literally 1 inch from his face. Shane is an incredible defender, and that makes Kobe's offense that much more impressive.[/QUOTE]
Neither of Kobe's 50 point games vs. Houston last season were particularly impressive, and one of them was downright poor as far as 50 point games go. So Battier has had an effect even when Kobe has ended up with big point totals.
[QUOTE=chains5000]He changed his "Lebron troll..." stuff to "Banned" so he can leave for a few days till everyday forgets this thread and what an ***hole he is.
Pretty clever.[/QUOTE]
heh, you actually made me look that up, you bastard. :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Loki]Neither of Kobe's 50 point games vs. Houston last season were particularly impressive, and one of them was downright poor as far as 50 point games go. So Battier has had an effect even when Kobe has ended up with big point totals.[/QUOTE]
I was at one of those 50 point games. Staples Center, game on ESPN, went into OT. Kobe heated up in the fourth and got his own miss off a free throw to hit a fade-away three, falling out of bounds, to send the game into overtime. Didnt matter what Battier did once Kobe got hot, even though he guarded him EXTREMELY well through the first three quarters.
Lakers lost in OT, but regardless, Kobe had a pretty damn impressive 50 point outting.
Any other new tactics out there ?
hhhhhaaaaaa how can pleezebelieve even attempt to sound like he knows sh*t about basketball afer this debacle?
hey pleeze, heres a new tactic for you: watch basketball for longer than lebron has been in the league before you spout off about anything.
this is a great self-owned thread :oldlol:
[QUOTE=SourGrapes]
hey pleeze, heres a new tactic for you: watch basketball for longer than lebron has been in the league before you spout off about anything.[/QUOTE]
Well, if he started watching basketball after LeBron joined, doesn't that mean he's going to have to wait until LeBron retires to have been watching longer than LeBron's been in the league?
Great BUMP :roll:
[QUOTE=Myth]Well, if he started watching basketball after LeBron joined, doesn't that mean he's going to have to wait until LeBron retires to have been watching longer than LeBron's been in the league?[/QUOTE]
lol...no. do you understand what is being said?
I know I'm late but my cousin was doing this to me in the late 70's when I was a kid. used to hate it but once I mastered concentration it didn't bother me. seriously dude were you in a time capsule for the last 30 years?
[IMG]http://www.philosophy.leeds.ac.uk/GMR/hmp/resources/biographies/spinoza/spinoza.gif[/IMG]
Say, what's [I]IS [/I]this new tactic?
tim duncan on drik
[QUOTE=Showtime]What, exactly is he to do? When Kobe elevates for a jumpshot, Battie, along with every other defender, doesn't have the jump speed and length to get up and block a jumpshot. Contesting the shot is more effective with blocking the view of the player rather than risking hitting the wrist of a shot they can't block.[/QUOTE]
+1
EDIT: jesus i didn't realize this was at 11 pages lol...
every player that attempts to block a shot when the opponent is going up for a lay up is wack....