The Bulls will regret their decision if they draft Rose over Beasley

[QUOTE=Dresta]He averaged 19 in his third year.[/QUOTE]
I know that, but what makes you think he can do it again? What has he shown you? He won't.

[QUOTE=Jameerthefear]I know that, but what makes you think he can do it again? What has he shown you? He won't.[/QUOTE]
he really could. let him play 35 minutes as a 2nd option and he would. efficency wouldnt be great doe.
but he is that good if he gets his head together finally

[B]Memphis waives beasley, beasley headed to china [/B]:facepalm
[url]http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11671525/memphis-grizzlies-waive-former-no-2-overall-pick-michael-beasley[/url]

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[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Everyone knows that Derrick Rose is a nice player, but just like he himself admitted a month ago, Michael Beasley is a way better player than him. Besides, the Bulls already have a not-too-bad backcourt and they badly need a inside scorer like Beasley. In a word, Beasley fits better in the current Bulls team than Rose. As a consequence, I'd say the Bulls will regret their decision if they do take Rose over Beasley during this draft. Seriously, why do people think the Bulls would draft Rose? Just 'cause he's from Chicago?[/QUOTE]

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Is OP the WOAT ISH poster?

[QUOTE=Shade8780]Is OP the WOAT ISH poster?[/QUOTE]

3ball is catching up quickly.

Is Beasley even on a team this year?

Lol at this thread.

[QUOTE=Glide2keva]Is Beasley even on a team this year?[/QUOTE]

Of course a player with his immense talents is on a team.

The Shanghai Sharks.

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[QUOTE=fos]I wasn't sold on either but Rose worries me more because of his predraft measurables... [B]He's a pg with bad agility.[/B].. He doesn't seem to be a very good passer either and ok scorer...[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Everyone knows that Derrick Rose is a nice player, but just like he himself admitted a month ago, Michael Beasley is a way better player than him. Besides, the Bulls already have a not-too-bad backcourt and they badly need a inside scorer like Beasley. In a word, Beasley fits better in the current Bulls team than Rose. As a consequence, I'd say the Bulls will regret their decision if they do take Rose over Beasley during this draft. Seriously, why do people think the Bulls would draft Rose? Just 'cause he's from Chicago?[/QUOTE]


I know this was bumped, but I'm bumping this again to emphasize OP's foolishness. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]he really could. let him play 35 minutes as a 2nd option and he would. efficency wouldnt be great doe.
but he is that good if he gets his head together finally[/QUOTE]


One good thing about this bump is seeing Marlo Stansfield is still banned. :oldlol:

EDIT: And Jameer got banned. Again. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=gts][B]first let me say i'd have picked beasley over rose every day of the week and twice on draft day if it had been up to me...
but dam guys ...lol [/B]
let these guys get some time under their belts before they are judged on who's going to have the better season...
point gaurds are going to score less and turn the ball over more if they are playing the position correctly, they are handling the ball nearly every time down the floor and responsible for getting it into the beasleys of this world hands...
comparing stats of rookies in summer league that play two completly different positions is ridiculous[/QUOTE]
Wonder why people were saying things like this. GTS was a good poster but I don't see him anymore. Actually one of the guys that knew the game very well.

[QUOTE=new noise]People are getting it [I]severely[/I] twisted. Beasley won't be putting up 25 and 12 in the NBA the way he did at K-State. The kid dominated on a mediocre college team with no other legitimate stars, and in three or four years people will be all over him for doing nothing besides scoring, ala Carmelo.

Rose carried his team to the NCAA championship game, a few missed FT's away from the win, and made former scrubs like Chris Douglas-Roberts and Joey Dorsey look like first-round picks in the process.

It's not a contest. Potential franchise point guard vs. potential scoring champ who maybe gets 5 rebounds a game? I'm taking the first one and not looking back.[/QUOTE]
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Why are the Bulls fans laughing at this? Rose has been a nobody for 3 years and the year he won a fluke MVP the r was 6-7 players better than him in the league.

Now we dont know how good he'll be, he looked awful in FIBA

[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]Why are the Bulls fans laughing at this? Rose has been a nobody for 3 years and the year he won a fluke MVP the r was 6-7 players better than him in the league.

Now we dont know how good he'll be, he looked awful in FIBA[/QUOTE]

which 6-7 players played better than rose that year? the last time i checked rose was the only one in the top ten for both points and assists and led his team to the best record of the league.

its sad, rose being injured and being out for 3 years is still more valuable than michael beasley.

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[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]If Beasley turns out to be merely another Lamar Odom then he's a bust...[/QUOTE]


Lol he didn't even reach Lamar odom's level.:oldlol:

Beasley still had more impact in games for the past 2 years though.



i would say at this point both of their careers are equal with Rose winning from 09-11 and Beasley from 12-14.

we'll see how the rest of their careers unfold but its a toss up at this point
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Lets see who wins a ring first...........even if Beasley

[QUOTE=nathanjizzle]which 6-7 players played better than rose that year? the last time i checked rose was the only one in the top ten for both points and assists and led his team to the best record of the league.

its sad, rose being injured and being out for 3 years is still more valuable than michael beasley.[/QUOTE]
Dirk, Dwight, Wade, CP, KD, Lebron

Beasley let many posters down in this thread more than anything.

[QUOTE=Cocaine80s][B]Beasley still had more impact in games for the past 2 years though.[/B]



i would say at this point both of their careers are equal with Rose winning from 09-11 and Beasley from 12-14.

we'll see how the rest of their careers unfold but its a toss up at this point
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Yet he has never had a single season or moment greater than rose. Nor has he ever reached the heights that Rose has.

Who cares what Beasley did the last few years? His last 2 years have been almost irrelevant and he's now out of the league.

Without a shadow of a doubt, Rose was clearly the best choice and the Bulls are known to make good choices with their draft picks.

Careers are equal in what world? :hammerhead:

[QUOTE=poido123]Yet he has never had a single season or moment greater than rose. Nor has he ever reached the heights that Rose has.

Who cares what Beasley did the last few years? His last 2 years have been almost irrelevant and he's now out of the league.

Without a shadow of a doubt, Rose was clearly the best choice and the Bulls are known to make good choices with their draft picks.

Careers are equal in what world? :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
lol it was a joke, look at the white text :roll:

[QUOTE=bdreason]Beasley will be better than Boozer. He's better at everything except for rebounding, which can be easily developed. Did everyone forget Beasley just beat Durants historic College #'s playing at the PF position?! Beasley's fundamentals at this stage are WAY better than Durants were.


If they draft Rose then Hinrich has to be moved. They already pay Hinrich like a franchise PG.[/QUOTE]


I'm honestly the worst talent evaluater on the planet. Pretty much every guy I think will bust pans out.

[QUOTE=bdreason]I'm honestly the worst talent evaluater on the planet. Pretty much every guy I think will bust pans out.[/QUOTE]
what are your thoughts on Zach Lavine?

[QUOTE=Cocaine80s]lol it was a joke, look at the white text :roll:[/QUOTE]


Damn you white text :mad:

Was is this white text shit anyways? Is it an excuse to make a jackass of yourself? :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Hamtaro CP3KDKG]Dirk, Dwight, Wade, CP, KD, Lebron[/QUOTE]
Sorry Durant and DH weren't leaders and couldn't take over games. No way was Chris Paul better that year. Rose was easily the most impressive and impactful player in the fourth quarters and against the elite (Everybody included).

Durant and Howard >>>>> Rose

[QUOTE=SugarHill]Durant and Howard >>>>> Rose[/QUOTE]
Definitely not back then. Not even close. Three years later their leadership is still questioned. While I still have Durant as an all time great, he just hit that stride last year. But it wasn't til a two full years after Rose's MVP year that he could be depended on to take over. DH hasn't arrived there yet. This is the year that DH has to make a push for MVP but Harden might be in the way. But Lebron will be going for defensive player of the year.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Sorry Durant and DH weren't leaders and couldn't take over games. No way was Chris Paul better that year. Rose was easily the most impressive and impactful player in the fourth quarters and against the elite (Everybody included).[/QUOTE]

Wade averaged 26\6\5\2\1 on 50% that year while sharing the spotlight with LeBron. Already numbers better than Rose that year, plus better defensively. If LeBron wasn't on the Heat he would of averaged about 28\7\5. No argument Wade was better.

LeBron averaged 26\7\7\1\1 51% sharing spotlight with Wade. Easily 28\8\7 if he stayed with Cavs. Rose has zero argument over LeBron.

Dwight Howard averaged 23\14\3 on 59%, winning DPOY and carrying the Magic to once again 50+ wins. The defensive impact alone puts him over Rose.

Dirk, I won't even get into Dirk, his amazing post-season run puts him above Rose that year.

Durant averaged 28\7\3 46% on a team that made it to the WCF. Can be argued that he was better than Rose.

Kobe Bryant averaged 26\5\5 on a 57 win team, can be argued as well.

Lets face it, Rose was in the perfect situation that year. He had a very good all around team who gave it their all in the regular season, a coach who brought the best of them in the regular season, and they were gunning for that #1 seed. They were the best defensive team in the league that year not because of Rose.

MVP Rose wasn't even as good as 2nd year Wade or LeBron.

[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]Wade averaged 26\6\5\2\1 on 50% that year while sharing the spotlight with LeBron. Already numbers better than Rose that year, plus better defensively. If LeBron wasn't on the Heat he would of averaged about 28\7\5. No argument Wade was better.

LeBron averaged 26\7\7\1\1 51% sharing spotlight with Wade. Easily 28\8\7 if he stayed with Cavs. Rose has zero argument over LeBron.

Dwight Howard averaged 23\14\3 on 59%, winning DPOY and carrying the Magic to once again 50+ wins. The defensive impact alone puts him over Rose.

Dirk, I won't even get into Dirk, his amazing post-season run puts him above Rose that year.

Durant averaged 28\7\3 46% on a team that made it to the WCF. Can be argued that he was better than Rose.

Kobe Bryant averaged 26\5\5 on a 57 win team, can be argued as well.

Lets face it, Rose was in the perfect situation that year. He had a very good all around team who gave it their all in the regular season, a coach who brought the best of them in the regular season, and they were gunning for that #1 seed. They were the best defensive team in the league that year not because of Rose.

MVP Rose wasn't even as good as 2nd year Wade or LeBron.[/QUOTE]


Every post I've seen from you is hating Bulls/Rose.

Give it a rest, Rose won MVP and deserved it based on judging criteria. If you have an issue with it, blame the judging criteria for an MVP :facepalm

[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]Wade averaged 26\6\5\2\1 on 50% that year while sharing the spotlight with LeBron. Already numbers better than Rose that year, plus better defensively. If LeBron wasn't on the Heat he would of averaged about 28\7\5. No argument Wade was better.

LeBron averaged 26\7\7\1\1 51% sharing spotlight with Wade. Easily 28\8\7 if he stayed with Cavs. Rose has zero argument over LeBron.

Dwight Howard averaged 23\14\3 on 59%, winning DPOY and carrying the Magic to once again 50+ wins. The defensive impact alone puts him over Rose.

Dirk, I won't even get into Dirk, his amazing post-season run puts him above Rose that year.

Durant averaged 28\7\3 46% on a team that made it to the WCF. Can be argued that he was better than Rose.

Kobe Bryant averaged 26\5\5 on a 57 win team, can be argued as well.

Lets face it, Rose was in the perfect situation that year. He had a very good all around team who gave it their all in the regular season, a coach who brought the best of them in the regular season, and they were gunning for that #1 seed. They were the best defensive team in the league that year not because of Rose.

MVP Rose wasn't even as good as 2nd year Wade or LeBron.[/QUOTE]
So much truth. Repped.

[QUOTE=poido123]Every post I've seen from you is hating Bulls/Rose.

Give it a rest, Rose won MVP and deserved it based on judging criteria. If you have an issue with it, blame the judging criteria for an MVP :facepalm[/QUOTE]

We all understand WHY Rose won the MVP
Just don't act like he was actually a top-3 player

[QUOTE=poido123]Every post I've seen from you is hating Bulls/Rose.

Give it a rest, Rose won MVP and deserved it based on judging criteria. If you have an issue with it, blame the judging criteria for an MVP :facepalm[/QUOTE]

I like Rose and I think he's a great player but I also think Dwight deserved the MVP that year over Rose and I hate Dwight. Rose got lucky with his MVP. He was (and still may be) an MVP calibre player and should have been in the discussion I just don't think he deserved to win it.

[QUOTE=Pointguard]Wonder why people were saying things like this. GTS was a good poster but I don't see him anymore. Actually one of the guys that knew the game very well.[/QUOTE]:confusedshrug:



Do still post here just not as much... majority of the threads are fairly well trolled now, not even worth wasting the time when the average response will be tldr, 6-24 or 2-5

[QUOTE=Papaya Petee]Wade averaged 26\6\5\2\1 on 50% that year while sharing the spotlight with LeBron. Already numbers better than Rose that year, plus better defensively. If LeBron wasn't on the Heat he would of averaged about 28\7\5. No argument Wade was better. [/quote]
I don't have a problem with people arguing those two despite Rose obviously being better in the 4th quarter than both of them. And Rose was definitely more effective against the elite teams that year. Wade and Lebron were great all around players that year. But the better teams beat them all year and frequently lost to better teams. I don't argue with people saying Dirk had a better outcome that year as well. I already said this.
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Dwight Howard averaged 23\14\3 on 59%, winning DPOY and carrying the Magic to once again 50+ wins. The defensive impact alone puts him over Rose. [/quote]
Rose just knew how to win games better than him. The more important the game got as the year ended, the better player in the deciding moments of the game, and against better competition it wasn't even close. Rose got his teams wins. No way, does defense mean more than that. Unless the goal of the game is to lose. Rose's post season run puts him over Howard whose near 50/20 got them beat bad and Howard's 8/8 was their only convincing win. Howard's big numbers had a counter effect on the team.
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Durant averaged 28\7\3 46% on a team that made it to the WCF. Can be argued that he was better than Rose. [/quote]
It can argued but he really wasn't a guy that could consistently impose his will on the game yet. The game always had guys like that.
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Kobe Bryant averaged 26\5\5 on a 57 win team, can be argued as well. [/quote]
His game was off that year and his team wasn't effective or pretended to be. Their stats were equal despite Rose's team having all sorts of problems with a much younger team.
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Lets face it, Rose was in the [B][U]perfect situation[/U][/B] that year. He had a very good all around team who gave it their all in the regular season, a coach who brought the best of them in the regular season, and they were gunning for that #1 seed. They were the best defensive team in the league that year not because of Rose.

MVP Rose wasn't even as good as 2nd year Wade or LeBron.[/QUOTE]
:lol The Rose standard is crazy. The perfect situation??? Really??

*His team was one of the younger teams around.
*They were not used to playing with each other being new to each other
*He lost 57 games to his second and third best players.
*They ran a new system - look at how bad CP3/Blake, Kobe/Nash/DH, Lebron/Wade/Bosh, Dirk without Chandler, looked in a new system.
*First time coach
*The coach gave 20 mins of practice time to offense
*Didn't have another player in any significant top ten statistical category
*Didn't have two significant veteran players
*Team wasn't built around him
*No finishers
*No creators
*No consistent shooters (Korver's shot died after the ASG)
*All of this when there was the formation of super teams, experienced teams, veteran teams and just plain healthy teams and the Bulls still had the best record.

Sorry not one current player around has anything like that on their resume, rarely have they ever had the best record with great advantages on their side, much less [B]great disadvantages[/B]. But the Derrick Rose standard is that this is a perfect situation.


AAmmmmaaazing.

The "perfect situation" is OKC where the core has been playing together for five years with two players top two in their position, with a top shot blocker in the game, a top wing defender, a top post defender, super scorers with a deep bench. Or the Clippers, or the Heat, Or the Lakers situation two years ago if they were healthy. But Rose... this is just hilarious.