80's vs 90's

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Amen, but don`t say Jordan Dominanted. Say the JORDAN-PIPPEN DUO DOMINATED and With A Great All Around Team :rolleyes:

Then Again in 1996 The Bulls Won Again With An 80s Based Drafted Team!

Jordan: 1984 SUPERSTAR
Pippen: 1988 SUPERSTAR
Harper: 1986 (All Star Caliber for 5-6 over 20 ppg and A Top Defensive SG)
Rodman: 1986 All-Star. Defensive Player of The Year and Top Rebounder of the 90s


Sorry...but...

Kevin Jhonson is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1987 :)
Tim Hardaway is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1989 (at age 23, could have been drafter earlier maybe) :)

And Yes, David Robinson was drafted in 1989. He is 80s not 90s :no: and could have probaly entered the NBA even earlier in 1986 at age 21 but he decided to finish his Marine etc:)


On the other Hand. Yes 90s Was An Era of Marketing but 80s was More Passionete and Fan-Like by Far. Fans in the 80s Where Also More Blind and Rivalries Were Way Superior to the 90s [/B]:)

[B]1980s Rocks:pimp:[/B][/QUOTE]

what you typed is no different from ant other decade. look at now, this decade is dominated by players drafted in the 90s. shaq, duncan, bryant, the whole pistons team, garnett, pierce,allen, nash, iverson all are dominating the league now and thats not a knock on players like chris paul, james, wade and player drafted in the 00s.

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Amen, but don`t say Jordan Dominanted. Say the JORDAN-PIPPEN DUO DOMINATED and With A Great All Around Team :rolleyes:

Then Again in 1996 The Bulls Won Again With An 80s Based Drafted Team!

Jordan: 1984 SUPERSTAR
Pippen: 1988 SUPERSTAR
Harper: 1986 (All Star Caliber for 5-6 over 20 ppg and A Top Defensive SG)
Rodman: 1986 All-Star. Defensive Player of The Year and Top Rebounder of the 90s


Sorry...but...

Kevin Jhonson is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1987 :)
Tim Hardaway is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1989 (at age 23, could have been drafter earlier maybe) :)

And Yes, David Robinson was drafted in 1989. He is 80s not 90s :no: and could have probaly entered the NBA even earlier in 1986 at age 21 but he decided to finish his Marine etc:)


On the other Hand. Yes 90s Was An Era of Marketing but 80s was More Passionete and Fan-Like by Far. Fans in the 80s Where Also More Blind and Rivalries Were Way Superior to the 90s [/B]:)

[B]1980s Rocks:pimp:[/B][/QUOTE]

So you're argument is for the 80's because the players that dominated the 90's were drafted in the 80's? That doesn't make sense. So stars like Magic, Bird, Dr J, Moses Malone, etc don't count for the 80's because they were drafted in the 70's?

And also...

[QUOTE=Sir Charles]Amen, but don`t say Jordan Dominanted. Say the JORDAN-PIPPEN DUO DOMINATED and With A Great All Around Team [/QUOTE]

Are you crazy?

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Amen, but don`t say Jordan Dominanted. Say the JORDAN-PIPPEN DUO DOMINATED and With A Great All Around Team :rolleyes:

Then Again in 1996 The Bulls Won Again With An 80s Based Drafted Team!

Jordan: 1984 SUPERSTAR
Pippen: 1988 SUPERSTAR
Harper: 1986 (All Star Caliber for 5-6 over 20 ppg and A Top Defensive SG)
Rodman: 1986 All-Star. Defensive Player of The Year and Top Rebounder of the 90s


Sorry...but...

Kevin Jhonson is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1987 :)
Tim Hardaway is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1989 (at age 23, could have been drafter earlier maybe) :)

And Yes, David Robinson was drafted in 1989. He is 80s not 90s :no: and could have probaly entered the NBA even earlier in 1986 at age 21 but he decided to finish his Marine etc:)


On the other Hand. Yes 90s Was An Era of Marketing but 80s was More Passionete and Fan-Like by Far. Fans in the 80s Where Also More Blind and Rivalries Were Way Superior to the 90s [/B]:)

[B]1980s Rocks:pimp:[/B][/QUOTE]

and i have a question for you were do you put players like magic, bird, jabaar, malone, dr. j, and parrish as far as decade? because they were all drafted in the 70s

No matter how much you argue 97 Bulls... the 80's is superior to the 90's. Lets compare how many HOF players were in the NBA in the mid 80's to how many HOF players were in the NBA in the mid 90's.

[B]80's[/B]
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Michael Jordan
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Dominique Wilkins
Joe Dumars
Isiah Thomas
Patrick Ewing
Hakeem Olajuwon
John Stockton
Moses Malone
Robert Parish
Julius Erving
Adrian Dantley
Kevin McHale
Clyde Drexler
Alex English
James Worthy

[B]90's[/B]
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Patrick Ewing
Reggie Miller
Charles Barkley
Clyde Drexler
Shaquille O'neal
David Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Karl Malone
John Stockton
Joe Dumars
Jason Kidd (Future HOF)
Gary Payton (Future HOF)

Thats 20 HOF players for the 80's and only 14 for the 90's. Much more HOF players in the Mid 80's. AMAZING! No matter what you say the 80's will always be #1. Not only did they have better players but they also had better teams as well.

:bowdown: 80's:bowdown:

[QUOTE=97 bulls]what you typed is no different from ant other decade. look at now, this decade is dominated by players drafted in the 90s. shaq, duncan, bryant, the whole pistons team, garnett, pierce,allen, nash, iverson all are dominating the league now and thats not a knock on players like chris paul, james, wade and player drafted in the 00s.[/QUOTE]

Dwayne Wade has already won a championship and was a Finals MVP and Lebron took his team to a championship in '07. Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili were drafted this decade and a huge part of 3 championship teams.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]No matter how much you argue 97 Bulls... the 80's is superior to the 90's. Lets compare how many HOF players were in the NBA in the mid 80's to how many HOF players were in the NBA in the mid 90's.

[B]80's[/B]
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Michael Jordan
Charles Barkley
Karl Malone
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Dominique Wilkins
Joe Dumars
Isiah Thomas
Patrick Ewing
Hakeem Olajuwon
John Stockton
Moses Malone
Robert Parish
Julius Erving
Adrian Dantley
Kevin McHale
Clyde Drexler
Alex English
James Worthy

[B]90's[/B]
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Patrick Ewing
Charles Barkley
Clyde Drexler
Shaquille O'neal
David Robinson
Hakeem Olajuwon
Karl Malone
John Stockton
Joe Dumars
Jason Kidd (Future HOF)
Gary Payton (Future HOF)

Thats 20 HOF players for the 80's and only 13 for the 90's. Much more HOF players in the Mid 80's. AMAZING! No matter what you say the 80's will always be #1. Not only did they have better players but they also had better teams as well.

:bowdown: 80's:bowdown:[/QUOTE]
that may be so but alot of players playing at a hof level were injured by the 2000 decade hardaway, and hill to name a few. then you did not mention iverson, mourning, mutombo, rodman, garnett, richmond, miller, and webber. then, some of the guys you mentioned in the 80s list made it more for their contributions in the 70s jabaar, erving, and malone. kareem was a good center in the 80-85 years and a decent center in the later 80s.

so from that view the 90s had more hofs than the 80s.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]that may be so but alot of players playing at a hof level were injured by the 2000 decade hardaway, and hill to name a few. then you did not mention iverson, mourning, mutombo, rodman, garnett, richmond, miller, and webber. then, some of the guys you mentioned in the 80s list made it more for their contributions in the 70s jabaar, erving, and malone. kareem was a good center in the 80-85 years and a decent center in the later 80s.

so from that view the 90s had more hofs than the 80s.[/QUOTE]

Richmond, Webber and Rodman are not HOFers. If they are HOFers then you have to put guys like Dennis Johnson and Sidney Moncrief in the HOF first.

And even if u add Miller, Mourning, Mutumbo, Iverson, & Garnett to the list there were still more HOFers in the 80's.

Edit: If Rodman is chosen to the HOF then he would have to be listed on the 80's list as well because he enterd the NBA in 1986. And I also forgot to Mention George Gervin for the 80's.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]that may be so but alot of players playing at a hof level were injured by the 2000 decade hardaway, and hill to name a few. then you did not mention iverson, mourning, mutombo, rodman, garnett, richmond, miller, and webber. [B]then, some of the guys you mentioned in the 80s list made it more for their contributions in the 70s jabaar, erving, and malone.[/B] kareem was a good center in the 80-85 years and a decent center in the later 80s.

so from that view the 90s had more hofs than the 80s.[/QUOTE]

Kareem was in his prime in the 70's but he was still the top 2 Center in the NBA throughout the 80's. Also Dr.J won his only NBA MVP award and NBA Championship in the 80's. And there is no doubt Moses Malone was in his prime in the 80's.

Jabbar 1980 NBA MVP
Erving 1981 NBA MVP
M. Malone 1982 & 1983 NBA MVP

[QUOTE=97 bulls]and i have a question for you were do you put players like magic, bird, jabaar, malone, dr. j, and parrish as far as decade? because they were all drafted in the 70s[/QUOTE]

[B]Magic and Bird are 1979-80 so the 1980 season is part of it in the Play-Offs they are 80s drafted pretty much too. They only came 5 years before the greatest draft ever, the 1984 draft: Hakeem, Jordan, Barkley, Stockton..[/B]

[B]Parish, Jabbar, Moses and the DR are 70s players but till part of the Golden 1980s because they where part of Championship Contending Teams in the 80s and in the case od Parish and Kareem 1987 to 1989.

The Doctor kept pulling in 20 ppg, 5 rpg and 5 aspg till about 1985. Even though Past His Prime he still kept rocking! :rockon:

Parish kept pulling in 15-21 ppg at 55% FG% or mor and 10 rpg till 1989. :rockon:

Moses was the leagues leading rebounder in the early 80s to go along an average of 31 to 20 ppg till 1989 :rockon:

Kareem kept scoring over 20 ppg at 53 to 59.9% FG% til 1986. :rockon:

Yes they where not in their Prime. Except for maybe Moses and Parish in the early 80s but they kept Schooling Big Time till 1989 :confusedshrug:

Shaq was an 90s player but he kept ruling and dominating the early 2000s. So that also makes him both a 90s Player and a 2000s Dominating Star Player:) [/B]

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]It was actually the mid 90's where the NBA started to sink. MJ wasn't in the NBA in 93-94 & 94-95 then when MJ came back in 95-96 the NBA added 2 new teams to the NBA which lowerd competition a bit.[/QUOTE]

The NBA started sucking in the 1994 season and as just now starting to recover. '94-'99 was horrible, horrible basketball. The greatness of MJ overshadowed just how overrated and bad the NBA was then.

'80-'93 was the golden era for the NBA. Hopefully someday we can get back to those types of days.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]that may be so but alot of players playing at a hof level were injured by the 2000 decade hardaway, and hill to name a few. then you did not mention iverson, mourning, mutombo, rodman, garnett, richmond, miller, and webber. then, some of the guys you mentioned in the 80s list made it more for their contributions in the 70s jabaar, erving, and malone. kareem was a good center in the 80-85 years and a decent center in the later 80s.

so from that view the 90s had more hofs than the 80s.[/QUOTE]

Do you count Shaq and Duncan and as 90s or 00s? Dirk and KG, 90s or 00s? Iverson & Kobe, 90s or 00s?

Is it when they were drafted or when they dominated? I just named 6 first ballot HOFers but the line is very gray. Shaq dominated the 90s and the 00s, where does he go?

[QUOTE=nycelt84]Dwayne Wade has already won a championship and was a Finals MVP and Lebron took his team to a championship in '07. Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili were drafted this decade and a huge part of 3 championship teams.[/QUOTE]

this is true but like i said there is an exception to every rule. for the most part this decade is dominated by players drafted in the 90s. and i also said that the more things change the more they stay the same. sam cassel was a rookie and a huge part of the rockets back to back championships. toni kukoc was in his third year and was an integral part of the bulls championship teams
shaq and penny made it to the finals in their 2nd and third years.

in the 80s olajuwan made it to the chip in only his third season i believe

[QUOTE=97 bulls]this is true but like i said there is an exception to every rule. for the most part this decade is dominated by players drafted in the 90s. and i also said that the more things change the more they stay the same. sam cassel was a rookie and a huge part of the rockets back to back championships. toni kukoc was in his third year and was an integral part of the bulls championship teams
shaq and penny made it to the finals in their 2nd and third years.

[B]in the 80s olajuwan made it to the chip in only his third season i believe[/B][/QUOTE]

Olajuwan made it to the championship in his 2nd season.

[QUOTE=miles berg]The NBA started sucking in the 1994 season and as just now starting to recover. '94-'99 was horrible, horrible basketball. The greatness of MJ overshadowed just how overrated and bad the NBA was then.

'80-'93 was the golden era for the NBA. Hopefully someday we can get back to those types of days.[/QUOTE]

:rockon:

:banghead: [QUOTE=miles berg]The NBA started sucking in the 1994 season and as just now starting to recover. '94-'99 was horrible, horrible basketball. The greatness of MJ overshadowed just how overrated and bad the NBA was then.

'80-'93 was the golden era for the NBA. Hopefully someday we can get back to those types of days.[/QUOTE]

[B]I agree with you that Jordan had quite easy in the early 90s but the 90s still where greater than the 2000s.

Even the late 90s!:rockon: .

In the late 90s you still had:

Iverson
Shaq
Webber
Kemp
Kidd
G.Hill
Vin Baker (Could have been Greater)
Kevin Jhonson
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Hakeem
Malone
Stockton
Robinson
Drexler
Hardaway
Miller
Ewing

Along many Great 1980s Roll Players like: Chambers, Hornacek, Shremp, Oakley, Perkins, Marlie, Harper, Paxon, Thrope, Kenny Smith, Rick Smiths etc..

Plus upcoming Stars like:

Duncan
Garnett
Bryant
Pierce

etc...


Even the Late 90s was better than the **** I see today:( but ofcourse nothign will ever surpass

The Legendary 1980s and Early 90s (Still the Dominationg of the 1980s Drafted Players till 1999!).

Nothing Ever!:confusedshrug: [/B]

[QUOTE=97 bulls]this is true but like i said there is an exception to every rule. for the most part this decade is dominated by players drafted in the 90s. and i also said that the more things change the more they stay the same. sam cassel was a rookie and a huge part of the rockets back to back championships. toni kukoc was in his third year and was an integral part of the bulls championship teams
shaq and penny made it to the finals in their 2nd and third years.

in the 80s olajuwan made it to the chip in only his third season i believe[/QUOTE]

Sam Cassell and Toni Kukoc are nowhere near the level of James, Wade, Paul. Thats a terrible comparison.

[QUOTE=nycelt84]Sam Cassell and Toni Kukoc are nowhere near the level of James, Wade, Paul. Thats a terrible comparison.[/QUOTE]

Earlier in the thread he compared Webber and Hardaway to Magic and Barkley:roll: .

[QUOTE=nycelt84]Sam Cassell and Toni Kukoc are nowhere near the level of James, Wade, Paul. Thats a terrible comparison.[/QUOTE]

[B]Kukoc was an All Time Underrated Player!. A 6`11 ft fundamental Smallforward with better ball handling , scoring abilities and even passing ablities than many or most of the SGs a that I see today :rolleyes:. Just go look at the 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games and against the Dream Team and you will realize what I say. This man could have scored over 20 ppg and 5-6 aspg to go along 6-7 rpg for most of his career if he played in a weaker team which relied on him as the Main Focus in his Prime.

In the Bulls he was not the Main Top Scorer and Game Creator because those elements belonged to Jordan and Scottie. Still Kocok was the best 6th man in the league in the early 90s and a Top SF. Toni was a Missmatch for any SF guarding him and some PFs when facing the Bulls in the Mid 90s. Too tall for SFs to guard (hed just shoot or post them up and score) and too Quick and Talented for PFs!.[/B]

[B]He would have been drafteted in 1989-90 too[/B]

[B]I am one of those people that firmly believed Toni should have been a starter SF in those Bulls line ups in the 90s.

C: Longley/Wellington
PF: Rodman
SF: Kucok
SG-PG: Jordan
PG-SG: Pippen[/B]

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Earlier in the thread he compared Webber and Hardaway to Magic and Barkley:roll: .[/QUOTE]

[B]Guys that are comperable to Magic are Big O, Stockton, Isiah and Kid. Thats about it.

Guys comperable to Barkley are Malone or Duncan. Thats about it.

Still only Big O would compete with Magic and nowbody would compete with Chalres in his Prime 1985 to 1995. Not eve close:rolleyes: :confusedshrug: [/B]

[QUOTE=miles berg]Do you count Shaq and Duncan and as 90s or 00s? Dirk and KG, 90s or 00s? Iverson & Kobe, 90s or 00s?

Is it when they were drafted or when they dominated? I just named 6 first ballot HOFers but the line is very gray. Shaq dominated the 90s and the 00s, where does he go?[/QUOTE]
truthfully, i dont know. my thing is that there isnt much of a difference. all eras had great players obviously some better than others. i really dont know how you can say one era is better than another because of when certain players were drafted. because all careers overlap decades so really its a no win situation. im more interested in why 80s proponents are so hell bent on belittleing the 90s ans 00s. i mean, i remember the 80s and as far as style id say the 80s is the more exciting.but the 80s had their weaknesses too. rampant drug abuse and inflated stats due to pace dont help the 80s.

as far as competition the bulls never really had a team as great as them in my opinion, they were the greatest team assembled best player ever, best defensive player ever, the best rebounder ever, statisticly, the best 3pt shooter ever one of the best european players ever. one of the best benches ever and the best coach ever. and heres were i differ with alot of people its not a knock on the teams they played against or insufficient competition, they were just better than everyone else. if the bulls never existed then there would be a similar magic bird rivalry probably between shaq and olajuwan and barkley and malone. which would mean that you would probably have to give a couple more mvps and a multiple championships to those players which would make them in the same argument with magic and bird.

[QUOTE=Sir Charles]:banghead:

[B]I agree with you that Jordan had quite easy in the early 90s but the 90s still where greater than the 2000s.

Even the late 90s!:rockon: .

In the late 90s you still had:

Iverson
Shaq
Webber
Kemp
Kidd
G.Hill
Vin Baker (Could have been Greater)
Kevin Jhonson
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Hakeem
Malone
Stockton
Robinson
Drexler
Hardaway
Miller
Ewing

[/B][/QUOTE]

You can do that for nearly any era. I mean, I can make a laundry list of players right now:

LeBron James
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Garnett
Paul Pierce
Tracy McGrady
Dwyane Wade
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Steve Nash
Amare Stoudemire
Dwight Howard
Yao Ming
Elton Brand
Baron Davis
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Ray Allen
Carlos Boozer

That's just 20 guys off of the top of my head that are absolute superstars.

Carmelo Anthony, Jermaine ONeal, Chris Bosh, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Andre Iguodala, Ron Artest, Kevin Martin, Brandon Roy, Al Jefferson, Rudy Gay, etc....the list is just so long, not to mention young superstars like Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, & Derrick Rose that have yet to make their mark on the league.

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Guys that are comperable to Magic are Big O, Stockton, Isiah and Kid. Thats about it.

Guys comperable to Barkley are Malone or Duncan. Thats about it.

Still only Big O would compete with Magic and nowbody would compete with Chalres in his Prime 1985 to 1995. Not eve close:rolleyes: :confusedshrug: [/B][/QUOTE]

Please, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, and Amare Stoudemire would all drop 35+ on a prime Barkley, right now. No way in hell he could guard those guys. Everyone wants to live in the past but the guys today are better than any era of NBA players ever and the NBA today is the best it has been since '93. It took a decade to get over expansion and salary caps and all the free agency and stuff but todays NBA is loaded with some of the greatest players to ever play in this league.

[QUOTE=nycelt84]Sam Cassell and Toni Kukoc are nowhere near the level of James, Wade, Paul. Thats a terrible comparison.[/QUOTE]
i was comparing those two players to ginobli and parker. two players who were integral parts of championships in their early years olajuwan was also in that post. when did i compare them to james, wade, and paul

bulls were just too good with the goat pippen kukoc and the goat rebounder and good bench guys

Well, I take that back. Any era with Jordan, Magic, and Bird all dominating is the best, atleast so far. There have never been 3 guys in the league at the same time as great as those three were. Not all dominating at the same time like they did.

Thats why the 80s were so great.

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Kukoc was an All Time Underrated Player!. A 6`11 ft fundamental Smallforward with better ball handling , scoring abilities and even passing ablities than many or most of the SGs a that I see today :rolleyes:. Just go look at the 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games and against the Dream Team and you will realize what I say. This man could have scored over 20 ppg and 5-6 aspg to go along 6-7 rpg for most of his career if he played in a weaker team which relied on him as the Main Focus in his Prime.

In the Bulls he was not the Main Top Scorer and Game Creator because those elements belonged to Jordan and Scottie. Still Kocok was the best 6th man in the league in the early 90s and a Top SF. Toni was a Missmatch for any SF guarding him and some PFs when facing the Bulls in the Mid 90s. Too tall for SFs to guard (hed just shoot or post them up and score) and too Quick and Talented for PFs!.[/B]

[B]He would have been drafteted in 1989-90 too[/B]

[B]I am one of those people that firmly believed Toni should have been a starter SF in those Bulls line ups in the 90s.

C: Longley/Wellington
PF: Rodman
SF: Kucok
SG-PG: Jordan
PG-SG: Pippen[/B][/QUOTE]

So what if he's underrated, he's nowhere near as being as good as Chris Paul, Lebron James or D-Wade. His best season is not as good as either of their worst seasons.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]Earlier in the thread he compared Webber and Hardaway to Magic and Barkley:roll: .[/QUOTE]
im not the only person to compare the two.

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Kukoc was an All Time Underrated Player!. A 6`11 ft fundamental Smallforward with better ball handling , scoring abilities and even passing ablities than many or most of the SGs a that I see today :rolleyes:. Just go look at the 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games and against the Dream Team and you will realize what I say. This man could have scored over 20 ppg and 5-6 aspg to go along 6-7 rpg for most of his career if he played in a weaker team which relied on him as the Main Focus in his Prime.

In the Bulls he was not the Main Top Scorer and Game Creator because those elements belonged to Jordan and Scottie. Still Kocok was the best 6th man in the league in the early 90s and a Top SF. Toni was a Missmatch for any SF guarding him and some PFs when facing the Bulls in the Mid 90s. Too tall for SFs to guard (hed just shoot or post them up and score) and too Quick and Talented for PFs!.[/B]

[B]He would have been drafteted in 1989-90 too[/B]

[B]I am one of those people that firmly believed Toni should have been a starter SF in those Bulls line ups in the 90s.

C: Longley/Wellington
PF: Rodman
SF: Kucok
SG-PG: Jordan
PG-SG: Pippen[/B][/QUOTE]

i firmly agree he would have been a 20 7 and 7 guy as a stater

[QUOTE=nycelt84]So what if he's underrated, he's nowhere near as being as good as Chris Paul, Lebron James or D-Wade. His best season is not as good as either of their worst seasons.[/QUOTE]

no one said he was. and if you took it like that i apologize

[QUOTE=miles berg]You can do that for nearly any era. I mean, I can make a laundry list of players right now:

LeBron James
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Garnett
Paul Pierce
Tracy McGrady
Dwyane Wade
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Steve Nash
Amare Stoudemire
Dwight Howard
Yao Ming
Elton Brand
Baron Davis
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Ray Allen
Carlos Boozer

That's just 20 guys off of the top of my head that are absolute superstars.

Carmelo Anthony, Jermaine ONeal, Chris Bosh, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Andre Iguodala, Ron Artest, Kevin Martin, Brandon Roy, Al Jefferson, Rudy Gay, etc....the list is just so long, not to mention young superstars like Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, & Derrick Rose that have yet to make their mark on the league.[/QUOTE]

[B]Question for you.

Would any of those teams beat The Best Selection Team of the late 90s?

C: Shaq (Hakeem/Robinson, Mutumbo)
PF: Malone (Webber, Barkley, Duncan, Garnett, Kemp, Rodman)
SF: Pippen (Grant Hill...)
PG: Stockton (Kidd, Penny Hardaway..)
SG: Jordan (Iverson...)

:no:

Would Any of those Teams Beat The Best Selection Team of the Late 80s and Early 90s?

C: Hakeem (Robinson, Ewing, Kareem, Moses, Eaton, Laimbeer, Brad Daugherty, Shaq)
PF: Barkley (Malone, McHale, healthy Ralph Samson or Derrick Coleman, Rodman, Oakley, Mahorn)
SF: Bird (Wilkins, Worthy, Pippen, Tom Chambers, Alex English...)
PG: Magic (Stockton, Isiah, KJ, Tim Hardaway, Sidney Moncrief)
SG: Jordan (Drexler, Bernarding King, Dumars, Rolando Blackman, Dantley)

:hammerhead:

:violin: [/B]

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Amen, but don`t say Jordan Dominanted. Say the JORDAN-PIPPEN DUO DOMINATED and With A Great All Around Team :rolleyes:

Then Again in 1996 The Bulls Won Again With An 80s Based Drafted Team!

Jordan: 1984 SUPERSTAR
Pippen: 1988 SUPERSTAR
Harper: 1986 (All Star Caliber for 5-6 over 20 ppg and A Top Defensive SG)
Rodman: 1986 All-Star. Defensive Player of The Year and Top Rebounder of the 90s


Sorry...but...

Kevin Jhonson is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1987 :)
Tim Hardaway is an 80s Player. Drafted in 1989 (at age 23, could have been drafter earlier maybe) :)

And Yes, David Robinson was drafted in 1989. He is 80s not 90s :no: and could have probaly entered the NBA even earlier in 1986 at age 21 but he decided to finish his Marine etc:)


On the other Hand. Yes 90s Was An Era of Marketing but 80s was More Passionete and Fan-Like by Far. Fans in the 80s Where Also More Blind and Rivalries Were Way Superior to the 90s [/B]:)

[B]1980s Rocks:pimp:[/B][/QUOTE]


I made my list in a general sense..when I think of jordan for example I think of 80's...the mj with hair tongue wagging and sky walking (althought that wasnt MJ in his prime,which was later in the 90s )

But when you think of say Kevin Johson and a Tim HArdaway...I understand they may have been drafted (late) 80's but they are pretty much 90s era players...same can be said for David Robinson.

I mean i guess it boils down everyones opinion ..and thats just mine..

And last but not least,Jordan Dominated the NBA ..no if's/ but's /questions... in the 90s ask the knicks..Spurs..Blazers..Suns and all the other ringless Hall Of Famers etc..Jordan was dominant with a perfect cast of teammates who knew they're role and played within the system.

[QUOTE=97 bulls]truthfully, i dont know. my thing is that there isnt much of a difference. all eras had great players obviously some better than others. i really dont know how you can say one era is better than another because of when certain players were drafted. because all careers overlap decades so really its a no win situation. im more interested in why 80s proponents are so hell bent on belittleing the 90s ans 00s. i mean, i remember the 80s and as far as style id say the 80s is the more exciting.but the 80s had their weaknesses too. rampant drug abuse and inflated stats due to pace dont help the 80s.

as far as competition the bulls never really had a team as great as them in my opinion, they were the greatest team assembled best player ever, best defensive player ever, the best rebounder ever, statisticly, the best 3pt shooter ever one of the best european players ever. one of the best benches ever and the best coach ever. and heres were i differ with alot of people its not a knock on the teams they played against or insufficient competition, they were just better than everyone else. if the bulls never existed then there would be a similar magic bird rivalry probably between shaq and olajuwan and barkley and malone. which would mean that you would probably have to give a couple more mvps and a multiple championships to those players which would make them in the same argument with magic and bird.[/QUOTE]

[B]If There where no Bird-Magic and Jordans in the late 80s and early 90s Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Robinson, Pippen, Drexler, Stockton, Wilkins etc would have been winning MVPs like Crazy. And if these dudes played in their 20s and early 30s today they would win every MVP over Iverson, Bryant, Duncan, Garnett, Pierce, Ming, Shaq, Lebron James etc.

Only 2 Players that would stand out would beShaq and Lebron James[/B]:confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=23jordan23]I made my list in a general sense..when I think of jordan for example I think of 80's...the mj with hair tongue wagging and sky walking (althought that wasnt MJ in his prime,which was later in the 90s )

But when you think of say Kevin Johson and a Tim HArdaway...I understand they may have been drafted (late) 80's but they are pretty much 90s era players...same can be said for David Robinson.

I mean i guess it boils down everyones opinion ..and thats just mine..

And last but not least,Jordan Dominated the NBA ..no if's/ but's /questions... in the 90s ask the knicks..Spurs..Blazers..Suns and all the other ringless Hall Of Famers etc..Jordan was dominant with a perfect cast of teammates who knew they're role and played within the system.[/QUOTE]

[B]Sory dude but Jordan was Prime by 1986-87 season at age 23 and was 26 in 1989-90. Phyisically he was even PRIMER in the LATE 80s than the 90s. He could leap higher, was faster, quicker, more unstoppable in the 1 on 1 situation absolutley impossible to Guard with handchecking rules and real fauls etc. Jordan later on became a smarter, more wittiy player and developed a better fadeaway shot but in terms of Unstoppablenss he was Primer in the Late 80s :confusedshrug: [/B]

I think most people acknowledge that the 80's was the greatest era in NBA history. I mean back in those days you needed 3 HOFers to even think about making the NBA Finals. Players were much more fundamentally sound in the 80's than they were in the 90's and today. By 1996 the NBA expanded by 25%. If you even had 1 HOF player on your team in the 90's it was almost a guarantee playoff spot while in the 80's 1 HOF player might not get you into the playoffs. The talent in the 80's was just amazing and we will never see another decade like that again. The Rivalries were 100x better in the 80's than in the 90's. You had Celtics vs Sixers in the early 80's. Lakers vs Celtics throughout the whole decade. And Celtics vs Pistons in the late 80's. You also had 3 of the greatest players of all time playing in the mid 80's. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan. Those 3 players won atleast 1 MVP award in the 80's. 4 out of the 10 greatest teams in NBA history played in the 80's. The '83 Sixers, '86 Celtics, '87 Lakers , and '89 Pistons. Anyone who doesn't think the 80's were the greatest decade in NBA history really needs a history lesson.

Here is another way to look at it. Lets list some of the 2nd and 3rd tier stars from each decade (some that haven't even been mentioned) and see which were better.


[B]'80s[/B]
Fat Lever
Micheal Ray Richardson
Otis Birdsong
Walter Davis
Gus Williams
Buck Williams
Kiki Vandeghe
Norm Nixon
Reggie Theus
Marques Johnson
Alvin Robertson
Mo Cheeks
Larry Nance

Now,compare with 2nd and 3rd tier '90s All-Stars

[B]
'90s[/B]
Horace Grant
Mookie Blaylock
John Starks
Terrell Brandon
Larry Johnson
Tom Gugliotta
Otis Thorpe
Dan Majerle
Terry Porter
Kevin Duckworth
Danny Manning
Sean Elliot
Glen Rice


Now, which group of star players is better?

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]If There where no Bird-Magic and Jordans in the late 80s and early 90s Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Robinson, Pippen, Drexler, Stockton, Wilkins etc would have been winning MVPs like Crazy. And if these dudes played in their 20s and early 30s today they would win every MVP over Iverson, Bryant, Duncan, Garnett, Pierce, Ming, Shaq, Lebron James etc.

Only 2 Players that would stand out would beShaq and Lebron James[/B]:confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

if your talking about the whole decade i would say that shaq early 00s td and kobe would have something to say about that mvps and championships aainst all those other teams. but obviously jordan is in another world.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Here is another way to look at it. Lets list some of the 2nd and 3rd tier stars from each decade (some that haven't even been mentioned) and see which were better.


[B]'80s[/B]
Fat Lever
Micheal Ray Richardson
Otis Birdsong
Walter Davis
Gus Williams
Buck Williams
Kiki Vandeghe
Norm Nixon
Reggie Theus
Marques Johnson
Alvin Robertson
Mo Cheeks
Larry Nance

Now,compare with 2nd and 3rd tier '90s All-Stars

[B]
'90s[/B]
Horace Grant
Mookie Blaylock
John Starks
Terrell Brandon
Larry Johnson
Tom Gugliotta
Otis Thorpe
Dan Majerle
Terry Porter
Kevin Duckworth
Danny Manning
Sean Elliot
Glen Rice


Now, which group of star players is better?[/QUOTE]

80's:rockon:

[QUOTE=miles berg]Please, Tim Duncan, Dirk Nowitzki, and Amare Stoudemire would all drop 35+ on a prime Barkley, right now. No way in hell he could guard those guys. Everyone wants to live in the past but the guys today are better than any era of NBA players ever and the NBA today is the best it has been since '93. It took a decade to get over expansion and salary caps and all the free agency and stuff but todays NBA is loaded with some of the greatest players to ever play in this league.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much everything you just said is wrong.:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Sory dude but Jordan was Prime by 1986-87 season at age 23 and was 26 in 1989-90. Phyisically he was even PRIMER in the LATE 80s than the 90s. He could leap higher, was faster, quicker, more unstoppable in the 1 on 1 situation absolutley impossible to Guard with handchecking rules and real fauls etc. Jordan later on became a smarter, more wittiy player and developed a better fadeaway shot but in terms of Unstoppablenss he was Primer in the Late 80s :confusedshrug: [/B][/QUOTE]

Jordan's prime could best be defined as 1988-1992, which inconveniently is evenly divided between the 80s and 90s.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers]I think most people acknowledge that the 80's was the greatest era in NBA history. I mean back in those days you needed 3 HOFers to even think about making the NBA Finals. Players were much more fundamentally sound in the 80's than they were in the 90's and today. By 1996 the NBA expanded by 25%. If you even had 1 HOF player on your team in the 90's it was almost a guarantee playoff spot while in the 80's 1 HOF player might not get you into the playoffs. The talent in the 80's was just amazing and we will never see another decade like that again. The Rivalries were 100x better in the 80's than in the 90's. You had Celtics vs Sixers in the early 80's. Lakers vs Celtics throughout the whole decade. And Celtics vs Pistons in the late 80's. You also had 3 of the greatest players of all time playing in the mid 80's. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan. Those 3 players won atleast 1 MVP award in the 80's. 4 out of the 10 greatest teams in NBA history played in the 80's. The '83 Sixers, '86 Celtics, '87 Lakers , and '89 Pistons. Anyone who doesn't think the 80's were the greatest decade in NBA history really needs a history lesson.[/QUOTE]

here we go again. now, if your talking about popularity by your "most fans " statement then its 90s hands down. the 90s had higher ratings. and as far as hofers on teams, if your talking about careers then the 97 bulls have at least 4 players that are going to the hall or are in(jordan, pippen rodman, and parrish) not to mention kukoc might get in based on his accomplishments. but how many of those teams had players playing at a hof level for every year? i mean, was kareem really playing at a hof level in 87 and 88? i believe without looking that he averaged about 15-17 points and 6-7 rebounds as a third option behind worthy and scott. the celtics had 3 hof but remember mchale was a 6th man for 2 of their 3 championships. the pistons probably will have 3 players with hof careers but while they were winning only two. or how about the sixers, i know they had only 2 and i feel that was the best team in the 80s.now, the bulls had three players in the 96-98 teams all palying at a hof level. so to sum it up all those teams you mention only had about 2 players playn at a hof level.