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Wilt was probably in the 34-38" range for vertical. Come on people -- 24"? :oldlol: Wilt was a world-class athlete in many respects (not just basketball). As noted, he competed in many jumping events at an elite collegiate level. No way was his vert only 24".
[QUOTE=OldSchoolBBall]Wilt was probably in the 34-38" range for vertical. Come on people -- 24"? :oldlol: Wilt was a world-class athlete in many respects (not just basketball). As noted, he competed in many jumping events at an elite collegiate level. No way was his vert only 24".[/QUOTE]
Well, using my math, which is questionable...
Wilt was credited with dunking on a 12 ft rim. He had a standing reach of 9'-6". The basketball is 10" in diameter. He would have to get at least 1" higher to get the ball over the rim.'
12ft. + essentially 1 ft for the ball and clearing the rim...
13 ft. - 9'6" = 3 ft. 6"... or 42 inches.
Of course, there were eye-witness accounts of Wilt touching the top of the backboard, which is 13 ft. So, a MINIMUM leap of 42" seems logical to me.
And, one more time...we are talking about a PART-TIME high-jump CHAMPION...as well as a LONG-JUMPER, and a TRIPLE-JUMPER. As well as a competitive 4x100, 440, and 880 athlete.
[QUOTE=asdf1990]did he still kill the mountain lion with bare hands?[/QUOTE]
yup, he was an amazing pokemon master.
[QUOTE]winning the high jump competition in the Big Eight track and field championships, clearing the bar at 6-6."[/QUOTE]
I think people overlook the fact that from his feet to his waist, Wilt was freakishly long. I'd estimate he was about 4.5 feet tall at his waist. High jump is all about getting the lower half of your body over the bar (ie. getting your waist over) and the rest of your body will follow, especially the way the old schoolers jumped.
What he lacked for in his vertical jump, he makes up easily with his long legs. Wilt essentially had a foot higher head start over your typical high jumper because of this. He needs to jump only about 2 feet to get his waist level with the bar. Measuring purely the vertical part of his jump, he needs to jump about ~ 2.5 feet to clear the bar with his waist and then time his legs to cross as well. Notice here, it's all about getting his waist about half a foot over the bar:
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It's great coordination for a man his size, but the freakishly long lower half of his body is what make him a great high jumper, not his vertical (which is quite average). The fact his highest jump was 6'6, only further confirms that his vertical was in the 30-33 inch range, because that's exactly the height you'd expect him to max out at.
LOL @ 42+ inches. Yea, I'm sure Wilt had a higher vertical than MJ and Vince. Makes me wonder how these people function in real life with such little common sense. Nothing worse than stans who go out of their way to exaggerate their favorite athlete's feats. There's no doubt in my mind Russell had a higher vertical leap, he cleared 6'8 while being much shorter and would routinely win jumpballs against him.
And again, a 12 foot dunk would require him to jump about 30-32 inches:
[QUOTE=Fatal9]So even if we accept the claim that he dunked on a 12 foot hoop, he would still need only a 30-32 inch vertical to do it. If you go by strictly the math it's 33-35, but his reach when extending with just one hand is more than 9'7, probably about to 9'10-9'11 (stand with both your arms up, and then try extending just one arm up like you would on a dunk and see the 4-5 inch difference in your reach). 24 inches is quite likely for his [B]standing[/b] vertical, but if we include running I'd estimate about 29-32 inches, which is still excellent for a man his height.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=asdf1990]did he still kill the mountain lion with bare hands?[/QUOTE]
Among the various Wilt stories, this isn't among the most exaggerated.
The story about Wilt and the cougar was told, among else, by Jack Ramsey, who wasn't any kind of Wilt promoter. He said that Wilt showed him seemingly recent scratches by what seemed to him to come from a big cat. I don't know whether it was a cougar, but
1. it's not mentioned whether it was a grown up cougar or if it was male or female.
2. Cougars are not anywhere near the real big cats (tigers, lions and jaguars) in terms of size or ferocity. A human of Wilt's size and strength should have no problem killing a cougar, when in an emergency state.
3. Despite that most animals avoid humans, we're still viewed as weak animals for our size (and not really nutritious, either). If some big carnivore attacks a human, there's a good chance that the carnivore is old or sick and asks for some easy pray, so we can't exclude this possibility, either.
[QUOTE=Fatal9]I think people overlook the fact that from his feet to his waist, Wilt was freakishly long. I'd estimate he 4.5 feet tall at his waist. High jump is all about getting your waist over the bar and the rest of your body will follow, especially the way the old schoolers jumped.
What he lacks for in his vertical jump, he makes up easily in his waist height. He needs to jump only about 2 feet to get his waist on level with the bar. Measuring purely the vertical part of his jump, he needs to jump about ~ 2.5 feet to clear the bar with his waist and then time his legs to cross as well. Notice here, it's all about getting his waist about half a foot over the bar:
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It's great coordination for a man his size, but the freakishly long lower half of his body is what make him a great high jumper, not his vertical (which is quite average).
[B]LOL @ 42+ inches. Yea, I'm sure Wilt had a higher vertical than MJ and Vince. Makes me wonder how these people function in real life with such little common sense. Nothing worse than stans who go out of their way to exaggerate their favorite athlete's feats. There's no doubt in my mind Russell had a higher vertical leap, he cleared 6'8 while being much shorter and would routinely win jumpballs against him[/B].
And again, a 12 foot dunk would require him to jump about 30-32 inches:[/QUOTE]
And it amazes me at those with an anti-Wilt agenda do everything in their power to diminish what he accomplished. They find a season, in which he averages 45 ppg, leads the league in rebounding, sets a FG% record, leads the league in Win Shares, and sets an all-time PER record...and blame HIM for the team losing 49 games (not to mention the fact that their scoring differential was only 2 ppg)...but say nothing of the cast of clowns that he played with (and who collectively shot .412 from the field).
They rip him for a 46-34 game, because he missed 17 FTs. They blame HIM for his losing in that playoff series, despite the fact that his teammates like Greer (shot .325), Jackson (shot .429), Walker (shot .375), Jones (shot .325), and Cunningham (shot .161...yes .161 from the field)...while Chamberlain averaged 28 ppg, 30 rpg, and shot .509...and dominated Russell in the process.
They slam him for leading the league in assists, despite the fact that his TEAM ran away with the best record in the league.
They try to downplay his scoring by saying that he shot about .525 during his "scoring" years...(with one season in which he averaged 33.5 ppg on .540)...which is about the same as Robinson and Olajuwon shot in their BEST seasons, and in leagues that shot MUCH higher percentages. And, of course, they won't mention Kareem having FG% seasons of .539, .529, .518, and .513.
They NEVER mention the fact that Wilt outrebounded EVERYBODY...and most by huge margins.
They NEVER acknowledge that he faced TWELVE HOF centers...and either outplayed, or downright DOMINATED them all. And, when his offensive numbers go down slightly in the post-season, they won't tell you that he faced a HOF center in 112 of his 160 post-season games...or that he obliterated the few centers that he faced in the post-season that were not HOF caliber.
They even slap him for playing nearly 48 mpg in his career (45.2 in his regualr season career, and 47.2 mpg in his 160 post-season games.)
They seldon bring up his defense. AND, they will find a few games in which Russell slightly outplayed him. BUT, they NEVER mention that Wilt held Russell down as well. While Russell routinely played brilliantly in the post-season, even offensively, he seldom matched those post-season numbers against Wilt. In fact, Wilt easily outscored Russell in every post-season series...some by HUGE margins; he outrebounded Russell in every post-season series...some by HUGE margins; and he outshot Russell in virtually every post-season series (that I could find numbers on)...and some by HUGE margins.
They ridicule his stats...despite the fact that he was the ONLY player putting up those monster seasons. Wilt won his scoring titles by as much as nearly 20 ppg. He won his rebounding titles by as much as nearly 5 rpg. He won his FG% titles by as much as .162 (yes... .162 and in another by a .157 margin.)
They attempt to downplay his numbers because of competition...despite the fact that Chamberlain played against TWELVE HOF centers in his career.
They will go out of their way to claim that he "only" won two titles...but god forbid, they mention the fact that he narrowly missed FIVE (even six) more rings, by the slimmest of margins. They blame HIM for those post-season "failures" despite the fact that he almost always had inferior personnel; or the fact that he routinely had an incompetent coach; or that his fellow teammates invariably choked at the worst possible times; or that his opposing teams would routinely hit a "miracle" shot to beat his team; or that, he would dominate his opposing center, but his fellow teammates would play miserably; or that the officials probably cost him one, maybe two rings; or that his team's suffered injuries at the worst possible time.
Nope...it was ALWAYS Chamberlain's fault. He was a "stat-padder". He was a "choker." He was a "loser."
And of course...no way he was a great leaper, despite being a high-jump champ...PART-TIME. Or that he was also a LONG-JUMPER. Or that he was aloso a TRIPLE-JUMPER. Or that he was also a sprinter. Or that he was a competitive 440 and 880 participant. They won't acknlowedge eye-witness accounts, by reputable sports figures, of touching the top of the backboard. Or that the NBA banned the dunking of FTs because legend has it that Chamberlain was capable of doing such a feat with a start from inside the top half of the FT circle. They won't bring up the fact that Wilt was dunking on 12 ft rims in college, that were set up by coach...DURING Wilt's college career.
They will tell you he was not capable of 500 lb bench presses, despite the internet being plastered with accounts of 500+...including eye-witness accounts. Or that Howard Cosell proclaimed him as perhaps the strongest man in the world during an Ali-Wilt interview.
Nope...they will tell you that much of what Wilt was credited with was an impossibility...just like scoring 100 pts in a game; or averaging 50 ppg in a season; or grabbing 55 rebounds in a game; or averaging 27 rpg over the course of a season; or having post-seasons of 30 rpg, or post-seasons over 30 rpg against Russell; or snaring 41 rebounds in a post-season game...against Russell; or averaging 40 ppg in his first seven seasons...COMBINED; or shooting .727 in a season (or .683 in another one); or making 35 straight FGAs; or having 55 of the TOTAL of 61 40-30 games in NBA history; or scoring 70+ points, six times, which is two more than everyone else who has ever played...COMBINED; or that he scored 60+ points in a game 32 times...which is two more than virtually every other player who has ever played...COMBINED (MJ and Kobe are next with five BTW); or that he led the league in assists one year; or that he had seasons that were estimated to have been double-digit blocks...per game; or that there is a recorded game in 1969, in which he blocked 23 shots; or that Harvey Pollack had him with 25 blocks in another game; ...or that he holds 130+ NBA records...and in MANY cases, he holds the next mark or marks, as well. Or that MANY of his records will never be approached, much less broken...
yep...that was Wilt. And ONLY Wilt.
^ LMAO, what the hell does any of that have to do with anything I posted? Went from discussing his vertical leap to you bringing out the excuse brigade for his entire career, wtf. Don't tell me you typed that out :oldlol:
[QUOTE=Fatal9]^ LMAO, what the hell does any of that have to do with anything I posted? Went from discussing his vertical leap to you bringing out the excuse brigade for his entire career, wtf. Don't tell me you typed that out :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
:roll: When he feels Wilt's legacy is threatened in any way(even Wilt's sex life :wtf: ), he resorts to spamming the board with irrelevant crap. It's second nature to him.
:roll:I can't believe people actually believe the 40+ inch Wilt stories.
Good job post Fatal. Great job.
[quote=Bobe Kryant][URL="http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/wilt/article3.html"]http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/wilt/article3.html[/URL]
Certainly doesn't sound like the athletic freak we've heard so much about. He also had only a 7'2 wingspan which is pretty surprising. And 225lbs is just embarassing. Shaq weighed something like 310lbs at the same age with 10x the athleticism.
For comparison, Shaq had a 7'7 wingspan and 36 vertical.[/quote]
At peak form he was 290 lbs. By his Lakers years he was 300+. Chamberlain's wingspan was 7'6-7'7 (varying reports on this). He also ran a 4.4 40 yd dash in dress shoes during a KC Chiefs tryout according to Hall OF Fame NFL coach Hank Stram, who also called him the best wide receiver he had ever seen (over Jerry Rice).
As one can see at 0:34 Chamberlain overpowers Thurmond on the offensive glass, without shoving him in the back.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keLsXWNLCF0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keLsXWNLCF0[/URL]
He also was able to control the basketball like no other in NBA history.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycO_MYuF89k#t=7m08s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycO_MYuF89k#t=7m08s[/URL]
[URL="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x48zv5_nba-vault-the-1967-sixers-rick-kaml_sport"]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x48...ick-kaml_sport[/URL] (Two fake passes at 4:30 mark)
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTRjFYwF_RQ#t=2m55s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTRjFYwF_RQ#t=2m55s[/URL]
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kocq3D4zd-U#t=4m44s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kocq3D4zd-U#t=4m44s[/URL]
Not to neglect he would routinely dunk the ball from the foul line for his free throws prior to the rule change, without a long running start as seen in various dunk contests over the years.
[URL="http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=340UAAAAIBAJ&sjid=wAAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7302,4611332&dq"]Toldeo Blade - Nov 28, 1956[/URL]
[I]'It seems Wilt has an unorthodox method of shooting free throws. The big guy takes aim at the basket from several feet behind the line. Then he takes about three giant steps, leaves his feet before reaching the line, and stuffs the ball through the hoop.
Under the old rule, it was perfectly legal as Wilt never touched the floor before letting go of the ball. In addition his percentage was fantastic.
"Why, he would have had a free throw percentage of 100," said [Tex] Winter. "He never missed."
Incidentally the rules committee did not mention Chamberlain by name as a reason for the change. The rule change was made, according to the committee, "[B]to prevent freak activity[/B]."[/I]'
[URL="http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=1XYyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2OkFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2229,2425147&dq"]The Miami News - Nov 7, 1962[/URL]
[I]'He can clean and jerk a 375-lb. weight, run the quarter mile in 47s, and high-jump over 6-11.'[/I]
[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1075691/2/index.htm"]Sports Illustrated - March 2, 1964[/URL]
[I]'The St. Louis Hawks' 6-foot-9, 240-pound Zelmo Beaty, for example, found out recently that he can no longer take Chamberlain's great strength for granted. Unable to slow Wilt down with conventional maltreatment, Beaty tried to yank his shorts off. Chamberlain, [B]who can press 400 pounds without breathing hard[/B], makes it a point to control his temper, primarily because he is genuinely afraid he might kill somebody. Beaty's unethical yank, however, was too much. Wilt flicked an arm, and Beaty flew across the floor like a man shot out of a cannon. Referee Mendy Rudolph rushed over to him and said: "For God's sake, stay down, man. Don't even twitch a muscle." Beaty didn't twitch, and he is still active in the NBA.[/I]'
NFL legend Jim Brown publicly stating that he'd rather get in a boxing ring with heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali as opposed to Wilt Chamberlain.
[URL="http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_dkLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QlcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7163,2399606&dq"]The Evening Independent - Sep 15, 1966[/URL][I]
'Chamberlain, like Brown, is a great athlete and seriously considered becoming a fighter a year and a half ago. Wilt and Jimmy have competed against each other in foot races and tests of strength.
"I'd rather fight Clay than Wilt," Brown said. "Chamberlain's too big and he's too strong, but I'm no fighter. I'm saving whatever fighting I've got to do for the Dirty Dozen."[/I]'
[URL="http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=gPoNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=w3sDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7049,3815406&dq"]St. Petersburg Times - Feb 25, 1969[/URL]
[I]'Wilt Chamberlain is probably the first giant in history to be able to break 50 seconds in the 440, win a Big Eight high-jump title and be able to set a pick. In fact, he may not be a true giant. Medicine has taken the mystery out of gigantism. Most giants of the past were physical weaklings. Some were 90 percent legs.[B] Wilt Chamberlain, by common consent, is the world's strongest man.[/B][/I]'
He was even stronger during his later years in life.
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[URL="http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TSMoAAAAIBAJ&sjid=S1cDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2229,911381&dq"]The Evening Independent - Jan 6, 1967[/URL]
[I]"I'd bet you $1,000 I could lift 1,000 pounds," the 76ers singular 7-1 center said, "I have. I've also hand-wrestled two men at the same time and beat them. And there's nothing I'd like to do better than play pro football."[/I]
[URL="http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_R8TAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lAUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6593,3084647&dq"]Ocala Star-Banner - Sep 17, 1975[/URL]
[I]'As inconspicuously as possible for a 7-foot 1-inch impresario, Wilt Chamberlain stopped by the New York Knicks' office for a quick social hello and now he was waiting for an elevator that would take him upstairs to the Madison Square Garden arena floor. When the elevator doors opened, Wilt stepped back as two husky workmen struggled to wheel a heavily loaded dolly into the corridor. On the dolly there were 10 big cartons of envelopes. For perhaps a minute the workmen pushed and pulled, trying to get the wheels of the dolly across the uneven gap between the elevator and the floor, huffing and puffing, they finally dropped their hands in frustration. "You look," Wilt said, "like you need a little help," His massive arms unencumbered by a chocolate sleeveless shirt, he reached down, grabbed the rope attached to the dolly and lifted the load into the corridor as if it had been a baby in a stroller. The workmen stared and thanked him. Wilt smiled, entered the elevator and the doors closed.
"I never saw anything like that," one of the workmen said. "These carton each weight about 80 pounds. This is an[B] 800 [/B]pound load."
That's the approximate weight of four Knick teammates. And if Wilt were to join the Knicks for the approaching National Basketball Association season, he believes he could lift the team into contention with the Boston Celtics for the Atlantic Division title.'[/I]
I believe jlauber recently posted a John Havlicek quote on a physical confrontation Chamberlain had with NFL player and part time professional wrestler Big Daddy Lipscomb in the early 60's. Ended with Lipscomb on the floor and Chamberlain muttering, "Nobody messes with Wilt."
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[QUOTE]I believe jlauber recently posted a John Havlicek quote on a physical confrontation Chamberlain had with NFL player and part time professional wrestler Big Daddy Lipscomb in the early 60's. Ended with Lipscomb on the floor and Chamberlain muttering, "Nobody messes with Wilt."
[/QUOTE]
Yes. That article was written MANY years ago. I believe it was Sport Magazine, but it may have been an SI article. Unfortunately, I have never been able to find it on the internet. So, if anyone challenges me on it, I have to admit that I have not been able to find it. Still, perhaps one day maybe we will see that Havlicek story again. If anyone else can find it, please post it.
And for those that may not believe me, there are still many more astonishing articles about Chamberlain's staggering power plastered all over the internet.
And, once again, great post Abe.
HAHA! Wilt and other journalists talking about fables regarding Wilt's feats and strengths is considered hard proof now?
He ran 4.4 back then, so if we could do it again today, it would probably come out to 4.55+. His standing vert was around 23-26 inches, which isn't bad at all for a tall person, and his running vert might have hit 30.
I don't understand you internet fanboys. You disgust me. You go so far as to make up stupid stories about this guy. It's irritating and nobody actually takes you seriously.
His standing vert was [B]not [/B]23-26 inches. At least, you could read what I wrote a little before instead of repeating the same story.
Again, play at 1:50:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tt13a6b_uA[/url]
This is not a 23-26 inch vertical jump, else his head should be 9-12 inches from the basket, which isn't the case. And it's a standing jump.
A 24-inch vertical for a male athlete, standing or not, would not be worthy of mentioning. Not now, not 100 years ago, not 2,000 years ago. The average male at an athlete's age can jump about 20 inches, without real training. What do you think the average male could jump in the 60's that would make 24 look impressive? Like 12 inches? And 8 for females?
[QUOTE=Psileas]His standing vert was [B]not [/B]23-26 inches. At least, you could read what I wrote a little before instead of repeating the same story.
Again, play at 1:50:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tt13a6b_uA[/url]
This is not a 23-26 inch vertical jump, else his head should be 9-12 inches from the basket, which isn't the case. And it's a standing jump.
A 24-inch vertical for a male athlete, standing or not, would not be worthy of mentioning. Not now, not 100 years ago, not 2,000 years ago. The average male at an athlete's age can jump about 20 inches, without real training. What do you think the average male could jump in the 60's that would make 24 look impressive? Like 12 inches? And 8 for females?[/QUOTE]
Not only that, but that footage was taken when he was a little over a year removed from major knee surgery, at age 34, somewhere around 300 lbs., and without benefit of a running start. IMHO, take a healthy Wilt, around 22-25 years old, and around 260-270 lbs, and give him a running start, and you tell me what kind of actual vertical leap that he had at his peak?
Maybe Wilt's vertical was not 48" as he himself claimed. But these clowns that post verticals of 24" or even 30-32" are being ridiculous. The man was a high-jump champ, as well as a long jumper and triple jumper. He was arguably the greatest athlete of all-time for cryingoutloud.
[quote=DaniloGallinari]HAHA! Wilt and other journalists talking about fables regarding Wilt's feats and strengths is considered hard proof now?
He ran 4.4 back then, so if we could do it again today, it would probably come out to 4.55+. His standing vert was around 23-26 inches, which isn't bad at all for a tall person, and his running vert might have hit 30.
I don't understand you internet fanboys. You disgust me. You go so far as to make up stupid stories about this guy. It's irritating and nobody actually takes you seriously.[/quote]
In other words, the NCAA changed the FT shooting rules for no apparent reason. :applause:
What would be a more accurate assessment of Chamberlain's physical prowess in your opinion?
[QUOTE]Maybe Wilt's vertical was not 48" as he himself claimed. But these clowns that post verticals of 24" or even 30-32" are being ridiculous. The man was a high-jump champ, as well as a long jumper and triple jumper. He was arguably the greatest athlete of all-time for crying out loud.[/QUOTE]
Indeed the fact that he could extend himself going up beit for a rebound or a slam dunk would be a factor as well. His wingspan also I believe was longer than reported by most at 7'6.
It may, however, be time to quit posting on Chamberlain any longer as none of the detractors will ever give him proper due.
[QUOTE=ShaqAttack3234]:roll: When he feels Wilt's legacy is threatened in any way(even Wilt's sex life :wtf: ), he resorts to spamming the board with irrelevant crap. It's second nature to him.[/QUOTE]
replace the name "Wilt" with "Shaq", and that's pretty much second nature to ShaqAttack3234:roll: :lol
[QUOTE=PHILA]Indeed the fact that he could extend himself going up beit for a rebound or a slam dunk would be a factor as well. His wingspan also I believe was longer than reported by most at 7'6.
[B]It may, however, be time to quit posting on Chamberlain any longer as none of the detractors will ever give him proper due[/B].[/QUOTE]
I have been tempted. However, I can only speak for myself here...I am nearly 56 years old...I SAW Chamberlain play. And I WITNESSED many of his incredible feats.
I find it fascinating, that so many here, that did NOT see Chamberlain play...can make ridiculous comments about him. Statements like he faced 6-6 wimpy white centers. Or that he merely dunked on those helpless white centers. Or that he was a "loser", or a "choker", or a "failure" (yet Olajuwon, who also only played on two title teams, and was involved in EIGHT first round playoff exits is BETTER?) They say that Russell "owned" Wilt. Or they claim that he was far from the mythical athlete that has been written about him since the 50's. I have even read some "expert" opinions that say that Wilt would be a "poor-man's Samuel Dalembert" in TODAY's NBA...despite the fact that Chamberlain was a MUCH better athlete than ANYONE playing in today's NBA.
If posters have an agenda to diminish Chamberlain's career, then I will continue to post the real truth. Whether the other poster's want to believe it, or not.
[QUOTE=DaniloGallinari]HAHA! Wilt and other journalists talking about fables regarding Wilt's feats and strengths is considered hard proof now?
He ran 4.4 back then, so if we could do it again today, it would probably come out to 4.55+. His standing vert was around 23-26 inches, which isn't bad at all for a tall person, and his running vert might have hit 30.
I don't understand you internet fanboys. You disgust me. You go so far as to make up stupid stories about this guy. It's irritating and nobody actually takes you seriously.[/QUOTE]
Haha... you're a Danillo Gallinari fan...
Sorry. :hammerhead:
From what I've seen.. Tyson Chandler is a comparable athlete to a young Wilt imo.
[QUOTE=Knick Killer]masterdurant24 loves c0ck[/QUOTE]
Hey, I'm from H-Town, I've never heard of a Danilo Gallinari fan...
[QUOTE=jlauber]I have been tempted. However, I can only speak for myself here...I am nearly 56 years old...I SAW Chamberlain play. And I WITNESSED many of his incredible feats.
I find it fascinating, that so many here, that did NOT see Chamberlain play...can make ridiculous comments about him. Statements like he faced 6-6 wimpy white centers. Or that he merely dunked on those helpless white centers. Or that he was a "loser", or a "choker", or a "failure" (yet Olajuwon, who also only played on two title teams, and was involved in EIGHT first round playoff exits is BETTER?) They say that Russell "owned" Wilt. Or they claim that he was far from the mythical athlete that has been written about him since the 50's. I have even read some "expert" opinions that say that Wilt would be a "poor-man's Samuel Dalembert" in TODAY's NBA...despite the fact that Chamberlain was a MUCH better athlete than ANYONE playing in today's NBA.
If posters have an agenda to diminish Chamberlain's career, then I will continue to post the real truth. Whether the other poster's want to believe it, or not.[/QUOTE]
That's the spirit:applause:
You might look into setting up a vintage website with some othe experienced basketball fans, collect all sources put them into the site(google site is a very good choice by the way)...
[QUOTE=ImmortalD24]From what I've seen.. Tyson Chandler is a comparable athlete to a young Wilt imo.[/QUOTE]
How many scoring, rebounding, FG%, and assist titles has Chandler won? How many high-jump championships? How many legitimate offers for heavy-weight boxing title bouts? How many NFL coaches proclaimed that he could be an All-Pro? How many stories have been written which credit him for being one of the strongest men in the world? Did he participate in the high-jump, long-jump, triple-jump, 4x100, 440, 880, and shot-put in college? How many RULES were put in place in a futile attempt to curtail his overall dominance? And does he hold some 130+ NBA records?
[QUOTE=jlauber]How many scoring, rebounding, FG%, and assist titles has Chandler won? How many high-jump championships? How many legitimate offers for heavy-weight boxing title bouts? How many NFL coaches proclaimed that he could be an All-Pro? How many stories have been written which credit him for being one of the strongest men in the world? Did he participate in the high-jump, long-jump, triple-jump, 4x100, 440, 880, and shot-put in college? How many RULES were put in place in a futile attempt to curtail his overall dominance? And does he hold some 130+ NBA records?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Psileas]His standing vert was [B]not [/B]23-26 inches. At least, you could read what I wrote a little before instead of repeating the same story.
Again, play at 1:50:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tt13a6b_uA[/url]
This is not a 23-26 inch vertical jump, else his head should be 9-12 inches from the basket, which isn't the case. And it's a standing jump.
A 24-inch vertical for a male athlete, standing or not, would not be worthy of mentioning. Not now, not 100 years ago, not 2,000 years ago. The average male at an athlete's age can jump about 20 inches, without real training. What do you think the average male could jump in the 60's that would make 24 look impressive? Like 12 inches? And 8 for females?[/QUOTE]
Actually by looking at flight time (the most accurate way to determine vertical leaps from footage), his jump there is 21-22 inches (flight time = .65s - .68s). This assumes no issues with playback, and if anything the footage tends to be a fraction of a second slower. He seems to be going all out there too. Now I know Wilt is in his older days there (though he did retain a lot of his athleticism), but 25-26 inches still sounds about right for his standing vert in his younger days. Based on everything else I've said in the thread, I still see no evidence of him having a max vertical over 30-33 inches, and a standing vertical over 25-27 inches. This is still excellent for a man his size.
This dunk below coming after he tore his patella tendon (not far off what Greg Oden has suffered in recent years) rehabbing his knee and working hard to come back from what was a career threatening injury in a matter of a few months.
A casual dunk attempt where he nearly bangs his head on the backboard, this in his mid 30's with an artificially repaired knee tendon.
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50+ inches is just as crazy as the 20 or 24 inch claims. As to note below, he had a tremendous reach and could really extend himself.
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[QUOTE=Fatal9]Actually by looking at flight time (the most accurate way to determine vertical leaps from footage), his jump there is 21-22 inches (flight time = .65s - .68s). This assumes no issues with playback, and if anything the footage tends to be a fraction of a second slower. He seems to be going all out there too. Now I know Wilt is in his older days there (though he did retain a lot of his athleticism), but 25-26 inches still sounds about right for his standing vert in his younger days. Based on everything else I've said in the thread, I still see no evidence of him having a max vertical over 30-33 inches, and a standing vertical over 25-27 inches. This is still excellent for a man his size.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure about the flight time of .65-.68 sec? What program did you use?
Wilt's standing reach was 9'6. 22 inches would mean that his hand should be at 11'4, which is 2 inches below the top of the white square. Also that his head is 1 foot 1 inch below the rim and way below the middle of the net (which is 15-18 inches long, as written at [url]http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_1.html?nav=ArticleList)[/url].
Check the dunk at [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=849_WdqJ8o8#t=3m38s[/url]
It's one of Wilt's closest to the rim plays seen from relatively close and Wilt's head looks way above the middle of the net, which, if true, should give him clearly above 27 inches (corresponding to the height of the middle of a typical net). His hand also looks to be above the top of the square, although it's tougher to judge than the head.
Well, if 32" is good enough for a 7-1 man with a 7-8 wing-span to dunk on a 12 ft, rim with a basketball that has a diameter of 10"...or if is good enough to cause the powers-that-be to outlaw the dunking of FTs...or if it is good enough to allow that said player to touch the top of the backboard...or win a high-jump championship, or long-jump over 22 ft., or to block 25 shots in a game, or over 10 a game over the course of a full-season, or to grab 41 rebounds out of a total of 134 in a '67 playoff game against Russell...or to win multiple rebound titles, while so few other seven-footers have even won one...
then I will accept that Wilt had a 32" vertical leap.
[QUOTE=Psileas]Are you sure about the flight time of .65-.68 sec? What program did you use?
Wilt's standing reach was 9'6. 22 inches would mean that his hand should be at 11'4, which is 2 inches below the top of the white square. Also that his head is 1 foot 1 inch below the rim and way below the middle of the net (which is 15-18 inches long, as written at [url]http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_1.html?nav=ArticleList)[/url].
Check the dunk at [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=849_WdqJ8o8#t=3m38s[/url]
It's one of Wilt's closest to the rim plays seen from relatively close and Wilt's head looks way above the middle of the net, which, if true, should give him clearly above 27 inches (corresponding to the height of the middle of a typical net). His hand also looks to be above the top of the square, although it's tougher to judge than the head.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but you have to remember when you extend with just one arm (as you do on a block or dunk), your actual reach becomes much higher than your listed standing reach. Try just putting both or one your arms up without extending, and then right after, completely extend one side of your body like you would for a block, you'll see a difference of 4 or 5 inches in your reach. I don't know if I described that well, but I think you know what I mean. As for flight time, I had the video on my computer, and I just kept cutting off the video until the exact moment when he took off/landed. When you get down to just the block portion (which is under a second), you can scroll back and forth by increments of .01s, so I would say it's pretty accurate.
[quote=MasterDurant24]Haha... you're a Danillo Gallinari fan...
Sorry. :hammerhead:[/quote]
Haha... You're a Durant fan...
Sorry. :hammerhead:
See how stupid you are?
[QUOTE=Fatal9]Yes, but you have to remember when you extend with just one arm (as you do on a block or dunk), your actual reach becomes much higher than your listed standing reach. Try just putting both or one your arms up without extending, and then right after, completely extend one side of your body like you would for a block, you'll see a difference of 4 or 5 inches in your reach. I don't know if I described that well, but I think you know what I mean. As for flight time, I had the video on my computer, and I just kept cutting off the video until the exact moment when he took off/landed. When you get down to just the block portion (which is under a second), you can scroll back and forth by increments of .01s, so I would say it's pretty accurate.[/QUOTE]
I think standing reach has to do with the highest point that you'll reach with one hand (usually your "strong" one) while standing still (not on tiptoes of course) and that you have the right to extend it as much as you can, because "not extending" is subjective.
Now, if I quote well the next thing you wrote, you mean extend my body as if I'm going up for a block but actually quickly raise on my tiptoes? Yes, that's technically not a jump, but the back side of your foot is still a few inches above the ground. But that's Wilt actually jumping. There are no tricks to reach a lot of inches above your standing reach without jumping. If you meant something else, I can't find any way to see a 4-5 inch difference compared to fully extending my hand. After all, however you want to measure jumping, the same thing applies to everyone.
That's the main reason I preferred mentioning his head's height. The hand's height is more obscure, although it still looks like Wilt's whole palm is above the fingertip of his opponent, who gets more than his whole palm above the rim.
Let all the fanboys dream about this guy. 23-26 standing vert is excellent for a 7 footer. Running vert would be around 30-34, which is excellent.
Watch out though. If you talk about Wilt lying about his girl count, these fanboys might harass you with proof...
[QUOTE=DaniloGallinari]Haha... You're a Durant fan...
Sorry. :hammerhead:
See how stupid you are?[/QUOTE]
But there are tons more Durant fans than Gallinari fans. I was laughing because I never heard of anyone being a fan of him. So excuse me...
[quote=MasterDurant24]But there are tons more Durant fans than Gallinari fans. I was laughing because I never heard of anyone being a fan of him. So excuse me...[/quote]
English might not be your first language, but that's no excuse for your lack of smarts. Wise up, boy.
People can be fans of whichever player they desire. Do they have to ask for your opinion first? How stupid can you be?
You know John Amaechi had fans too right?
You were implying that with me being a Gallinari fan, my opinion on Wilt is worthless? How about your opinion? Chicken shit.
[QUOTE=DaniloGallinari]English might not be your first language, but that's no excuse for your lack of smarts. Wise up, boy.
People can be fans of whichever player they desire. Do they have to ask for your opinion first? How stupid can you be?
You know John Amaechi had fans too right?
[B]You were implying that with me being a Gallinari fan, my opinion on Wilt is worthless? How about your opinion? Chicken shit.[/[/B]QUOTE]
What? Nah nah man. I wasn't saying your opinion was worthless at all. I was just being off topic and acknowledging the rarity of a Gallinari fan. Sorry if I gave you the wrong vibe...:confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Bobe Kryant][url]http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/wilt/article3.html[/url]
Certainly doesn't sound like the athletic freak we've heard so much about. He also had only a 7'2 wingspan which is pretty surprising. And 225lbs is just embarassing. Shaq weighed something like 310lbs at the same age with 10x the athleticism.
For comparison, Shaq had a 7'7 wingspan and 36 vertical.[/QUOTE]
I'm reading that article and I believe that was when Wilt was a freshman possibly
[I]The Stilt is most effective simply because of his physical qualities. He stands 7-feet in his sweat socks. Over this frame are spread 225 sinewy pounds. He is almost as agile as a 5-11 playmaker. He can jump 24 inches straight up. Against the varsity he was not bothered noticeably by the new 12-foot lane. His timing on the slightly off-target shots of his mates, in another year, will match that of Bill Russell, the fabulous human funnel of San Francisco. Spectators can actually see his pie-plate hands jam down inside the net. [/I]
Dude probably increased his standing vert by the time he entered the NBA
[I]At his athletic peak, he was said to have been measured with a vertical jump of 48-50 inches[/I]
[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/130817-greatness-revisited-why-wilt-chamberlain-is-the-greatest-nba-player-ever"]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/130817-greatness-revisited-why-wilt-chamberlain-is-the-greatest-nba-player-ever[/URL]
[QUOTE=Calabis]I'm reading that article and I believe that was when Wilt was a freshman possibly
[I]The Stilt is most effective simply because of his physical qualities. He stands 7-feet in his sweat socks. Over this frame are spread 225 sinewy pounds. He is almost as agile as a 5-11 playmaker. He can jump 24 inches straight up. Against the varsity he was not bothered noticeably by the new 12-foot lane. His timing on the slightly off-target shots of his mates, in another year, will match that of Bill Russell, the fabulous human funnel of San Francisco. Spectators can actually see his pie-plate hands jam down inside the net. [/I]
Dude probably increased his standing vert by the time he entered the NBA
[I]At his athletic peak, he was said to have been measured with a vertical jump of 48-50 inches[/I]
[URL="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0150219/bio"][/URL][/QUOTE]
No 7 foot man can jump 48 inches. It doesn't happen.
[QUOTE=MasterDurant24]No 7 foot man can jump 48 inches. It doesn't happen.[/QUOTE]
And no way anyone can have a vertical of over 50" either, right? And, obviously, 60" would be a physical impossibility.