2022 off season Post Gobert. A new era begins

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/09/09/espn-breaks-just-filthy-rich-utah-jazz-now/[/url]

[QUOTE]Two years ago, the Jazz had the best regular season in the NBA. Since then, they have had two disappointing playoff losses, and will probably post one of the worst records in the league in 2022-23. But with their draft capital, they could turn it around in as fast as a year or two. The Pistons, Spurs, Hornets, Pelicans, and even the Grizzlies were middling teams for several years hoping to finally make it big in the draft, and the Jazz could manage to do it in a single season if only one of their four picks hits big. Even if two of the picks result in average players, the rebuild will be over fast.

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unlikely to be only a year or two though it was only a bit over a year when Gobert emerged and they were good though of course the Jazz still tried to tank despite that! :cry:

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/09/09/jarred-vanderbilt-front-center-rebuild/[/url]

[QUOTE]What’s not to like? A 6’9” power forward, and former McDonald’s All-American, he slipped to the second round in the 2018 NBA Draft and has played for the Nuggets and Wolves. Last year, he started 67 games for the playoff-bound Wolves alongside Karl-Anthony Towns, Patrick Beverly, Anthony Edwards, and D’Angelo Russell. Because of the roster around him, he only posted 6.9 points, which is up from his career average of 5.4 points per game.

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old school 4 in today's game. Plenty not to like which is why he's on the Jazz and all NBAer/DPOTY/future HOFer Gobert is on the Wolves

[QUOTE]While he isn’t a star by any means, he has already established himself as a decent fourth or fifth option with the starting rotation and is only 23 years old, so he could still show some vast improvement. The Lakers want him as a cheap player to get some valuable bench minutes, but the Jazz see him as a piece to help solidify a young core around the star they will eventually find in the draft.

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probably won't be starting and at 7 points a game he's hopefully not your 4th or 5th option

[QUOTE]Vanderbilt is not a shooting threat by any means, but as a starter, he averaged well over eight rebounds and can defend multiple positions anywhere on the floor. The Jazz are in desperate need of defense, especially behind a depleted frontcourt.

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they were desperate for D. Now they are just desperate

[QUOTE][INDENT]I truly believe with the addition of Jarred Vanderbilt the [URL="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Lakers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]#Lakers[/URL] would have the best defense in the [URL="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]#NBA[/URL].

With players such as AD, Beverley, Vanderbilt and Bron (when he wants). [URL="https://t.co/Oe04BDQNsC"]pic.twitter.com/Oe04BDQNsC[/URL]
— Lakers Vino (@VinoUncorked) [URL="https://twitter.com/VinoUncorked/status/1568094382192054285?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"]September 9, 2022[/URL]
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why would anyone think that Davis and Lebron will be on the floor? They need a 3rd star to carry them when those guys aren't playing.

[QUOTE]The Lakers also want some additional defensive prowess. On top of that, Vanderbilt is already an above-average role player with elite physical gifts. His size and grace on the court suggest that he could soon be one of the most consistent starters in the league.

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where do you come up with this shit? Yes he's young and can play but nothing screams out NBA starter even if he did start last year on a play in team. Unless he develops a shot he's a backup ideally

[QUOTE]I don’t think that he will ever be an All-Star, but he is [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/26/utah-jazz-3-players-break-next-season/"]poised for a breakout[/URL] year and could show the league that a power forward can play third fiddle to an elite backcourt. Every team needs some role players, and the Jazz found a great one before they even get their star.

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the guy rebounds and plays D. Let's not get carried away. If the Lakers want to give up unprotected picks for him see ya! :cheers:

[QUOTE] Zach Lowe: [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/02qH92woqxqG4Gdc0FdS3U"]The second package is Clarkson-Bogdanovic-Beasley. From what I’ve been told around the league, the Jazz feel like all three of those guys are worth a first-round pick[/URL].

– via [URL="https://open.spotify.com/episode/02qH92woqxqG4Gdc0FdS3U"]Spotify[/URL]


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ideally but Bojan, Clarkson, Conley and Gay need to go before the season starts regardless. Beasley can stay at least until the trade deadline

[url]https://twitter.com/spidadmitchell/status/1568620551257702404[/url]

Looks good! Can't wait to see Sexton, Lauri and the rook in the ugly new unis!

[url]https://www.deseret.com/2022/9/10/23338818/utah-jazz-getting-excited-about-collin-sexton[/url]

[QUOTE]Nobody is perfect, and there are certainly some concerns, as there are with almost every player. Sexton’s 3-point shooting efficiency has steadily decreased over his time in the NBA and he hasn’t always lived up to his defensive potential.

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not counting the 11 games last year he's still shot over 37% from 3 and his overall % has went up so he's became better at finishing and/or mid range. What kind of defensive potential does he have at 6'1? If he gives any kind of effort at that end he'll be better than Mitchell

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/9/10/23346661/latest-utah-jazz-trade-rumors-jazz-reveal-trade-value-for-bogdanovic-clarkson-and-beasley[/url]

[QUOTE]If there’s one thing we’ve learned this offseason, once Danny Ainge sets a price for a player, he’ll stick with it. If a team is willing to pay that price, then the trade will happen. It’s been such a breath of fresh air this offseason to see Danny Ainge provide a dominant level of negotiation with the Jazz, and there’s a level of comfort knowing that if the Jazz’s price isn’t met, the trade doesn’t happen.

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we'll see. I think it's better they aren't on the team than waiting for Danny's price. Beasley can start the year with the Jazz. The others need to go somehow

[QUOTE]This also bodes very well for the future. Danny Ainge has put a value on assets and picks that the front office beforehand hasn’t had. If you don’t remember, the Jazz’s two previous offseasons were the death knell for the most recent roster. The Jazz traded a first-round pick just to get off of Derrick Favors contract after giving him a contract no other team would have given. They made draft-day trades of their picks to the [URL="https://www.postingandtoasting.com"]Knicks[/URL], only to see the Knicks use the exact same picks to move up in the draft (maybe that’s why the Knicks thought they could fleece the Jazz for Donovan Mitchell). They decided to draft a center in the first round that no one had in their mock earlier than the second round, in stead of drafting Desmond Bane. There are a lot of reasons the most recent iteration of the Jazz didn’t work out, the catastrophic failures of the recent leadership were likely the biggest reason of all.

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and they still had no starting PF! Stop with the Bane stuff already. They needed a center. Right now you are seeing why you need to be developing guys at every position all the time. Udoka showed he can play last year. Now you go into the season with some experience. If you want to argue there was a better 5 than Udoka fine. Bane would have sat the bench and you would have wished they picked someone else

[QUOTE]I hope Jazz will trade JC instead to Bulks. Coz Lebron doesn't bode well with Clarkson's game.Their chemistry, even though they're friends, didn't really fit well in their last stint together in the Cleveland playoffs. And Bulks really needs a reliable scorer on the bench. [/QUOTE]

Clarkson's game sux for anyone. If they fleece a 1st from someone for him Ainge should get executive of the year

[url]https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2022/9/10/23343610/an-in-depth-look-at-the-utah-jazzs-talen-horton-tucker-nba-los-angeles-lakers-2022-23[/url]

[QUOTE]In his fairness, I don’t think his role with the Lakers was conducive to his success. He just isn’t a good shooter and expecting him to succeed at doing so was setting him up for failure. Nonetheless, for THT to have any success with the Jazz, he [I]must [/I]improve this aspect of his game. Even if he can become an average shooter, his ability to create off the dribble will become significantly easier. As it stands, most teams in the league are happy with ignoring him on the perimeter.

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expecting him to become an average shooter is asking a lot. He's awful!

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/09/10/ranking-utah-jazz-rookies-2022-23-season/[/url]

[QUOTE]Kessler, Juzang, and Agbaji all had decorated college careers, but with the exception of Agbaji, none of them were considered lottery picks by anyone. None of these guys have a super high ceiling, mostly due to the fact that they may have already physically peaked, but that doesn’t mean the role players for the next era of Utah basketball haven’t already been signed.

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two were picked higher than Rudy so stop predicting what they will be

[QUOTE]His sophomore year was better than his junior year, and that lack of improvement is a big red flag for me. Apparently, it is for Utah as well, as he is the only player on a two-way deal, instead of the standard rookie contract. Maybe time with the G-League Stars will help him out, but I’m afraid Juzang just isn’t at the NBA level, and he may never get there.

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Sneed? He looks like an NBA player. See if he can show something with the Stars. They should be good this year!

[QUOTE]Fontecchio is not a defensive stopper, and with the modern NBA wing being a “three and D” type of player, I’m not confident he will be able to make the leap and defend with any sort of success. Still, shooting 40% from deep allowed Kyle Korver to thrive in the league, maybe Simone can have a similar story.

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unlike most Euros he actually has some decent stats and has continued that in the Euro championships. He might get them a 1st by the trade deadline!

[QUOTE]In his most recent college season, he averaged 4.6 blocks. That’s good enough o put him second in the country. He also put up 11.4 points, and much like the departed Stifle Tower, none of those came from behind the arc.

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he shoots the 3

[QUOTE]Kessler did not play in the Summer League, so we don’t have that insight, although it’s safe to say he will succeed if he can play to his strengths. He will never become an elite scorer like Embiid or Jokic, and he is not the best rebounder considering he stands at 7’1”, but he is a fantastic rim protector who could get some rebounding skills and work in the pick and roll with Collin Sexton. We think he might [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/09/3-starting-center-options-utah-jazz-2022/"]crack the starting five[/URL], but expect him to be raw and error-prone, with the occasional flash of potential in season one.

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can't see him over Udoka unless Udoka is hurt. Still need a vet in case Kessler isn't ready and to mentor these guys though that could be Lauri. Kessler is a Star until he proves otherwise. No reason to rush him

[QUOTE]There’s no other way to say it: he can score. In the Summer League, he didn’t miss a beat, shooting 37% and averaging a cool 15 points. The Jazz may have found the point guard of the future to pair with Collin Sexton, meaning they can add forwards and centers in the upcoming drafts.

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don't think he's a pg though is he? You think Stanley Johnson is a 2 so what do you care I guess!

[QUOTE]Agbaji is ready to play now. There shouldn’t be too much of a learning curve. He can score, pass, and handle the ball. His defense isn’t bad. It’s clear he was a steal with the 14th pick, and he fell into Utah’s lap.

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from what we saw with COTM no one is ready now. At least we don't have to worry about Hardy favoring players from his alma mater like with COTM. Maybe after the trade deadline he can step in for Beasley

[QUOTE]With Agbaji, what you see is what you get. And what I see is a dominant scorer who can do a little bit of everything and has a lengthy NBA career ahead of him.

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18 points a game and 1.6 assists is a dominant scoring pg!

[url]https://*********.com/lists/traded-nba-draft-picks-gold-magic-johnson-barkley/?itm_source=parsely-api[/url]

[QUOTE][INDENT] [B]August 5, 1976[/B]: The New Orleans Jazz traded a 1977 1st round draft pick (Kenny Carr was later selected), a 1978 1st round draft pick (Freeman Williams was later selected), a 1979 1st round draft pick (Magic Johnson was later selected) and a 1980 2nd round draft pick (Sam Worthen was later selected) to the Los Angeles Lakers for a 1977 2nd round draft pick (Essie Hollis was later selected) and a 1978 1st round draft pick (Jack Givens was later selected). This exchange was arranged as compensation for Utah signing veteran free agent Gail Goodrich on July 19, 1976.
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Ouch! He almost helped them get to .500. The Maravich trade was even worse. Gave up everything to suck with Pete!

[QUOTE]The Warriors are once again involved with trading away a draft pick that turned into gold, as in 1980, the team dealt away the rights to the No. 3 pick the day before the draft to the Boston Celtics, a pick that wound up becoming Hall-of-Fame big man [B]Kevin McHale[/B].

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no mention of the Jazz passing on McHale for Dr. Dunkenstein!

[QUOTE]If it isn’t clear by now, teams are [I]much[/I] safer about trading away first-round picks these days.

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unless Danny "unprotected picks" Ainge is involved!

Lauri Markkanen had an enormous game against Croatia, helping his team get to the quarter-finals and making history along the way. [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/1389587/lauri-markkanen-finland-croatia-eurobasket-2022/"]He had 43 points – a new Finnish national team record at a major FIBA event – 9 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, and 19/29 from the field, with 0 turnovers[/URL]. “It was one of those nights in which it looked like I shot the ball and it always went in. Great win, I’m just trying to do what the team needs me to do. We knew that we can beat everybody when we play our best basketball: Croatia is a great team”, he said.

– via [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/1389587/lauri-markkanen-finland-croatia-eurobasket-2022/"]EuroHoops.net[/URL]





After all thanks to Markkanen’s game, Finland managed to make the Eurobasket quarterfinals for the first time since 1967 and he is happy to do it, not only for himself and his team but also about Petteri Koponen who led Finland back to respectability before Markkanen and he is still along for the ride: [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/1389587/lauri-markkanen-finland-croatia-eurobasket-2022/"]“When I made the team in 2015 it felt great and unreal to being in the same locker room with him. For him to say that, it means a lot. He’s a legend”[/URL].
– via [URL="https://www.eurohoops.net/en/eurobasket/1389587/lauri-markkanen-finland-croatia-eurobasket-2022/"]EuroHoops.net[/URL]

Italy over Croatia and Jokic as well!

Former Jazz player [URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]Kyrylo Fesenko signed for 2022-23 with Kuwaiti team Al-Nasr SC[/URL].
– via [URL="https://*********.com/lists/international-transactions-log-where-are-former-nba-players-going/"]Alberto De Roa @ *********[/URL]

[url]https://thejnotes.com/2022/09/11/jazz-asking-price-malik-beasley-might-high/[/url]

[QUOTE][h=1]The Jazz asking price on Malik Beasley might be too high[/h][/QUOTE]

I'd set the price high on him. As long as they don't feel he will be a bad influence on their young guys he's young enough to keep around. Start him and play him big minutes and deal him at the trade deadline. Conley, Clarkson, Bojan and Gay need to go at whatever price!

[QUOTE]When the[URL="https://thejnotes.com/"] Utah Jazz[/URL] traded Rudy Gobert for picks and players, most of us assumed the players would not be here for very long. Patrick Beverly has already been shipped to Los Angeles for young talent, but Jarred Vanderbilt seems to be [URL="https://thejnotes.com/2022/09/09/jarred-vanderbilt-front-center-rebuild/"]a part of the Jazz rebuild[/URL] and could play in SLC for quite a while.

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I wouldn't get too attached to Vanderbilt or anyone yet

[QUOTE]Rookie Walker Kessler and Leandro Bolmaro are very young and might fit the timeline, but 25-year-old [URL="https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beaslma01.html#all_transactions"]Malik Beasley[/URL] might be the next recent acquisition to go. The only issue is Utah seems to think he is [URL="https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10048497-nba-trade-rumors-jazz-think-bogdanovic-clarkson-beasley-are-worth-1st-round-picks"]worth a first-round pick[/URL].

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the only issue is they have other guys they need to move more urgently

[QUOTE]The Jazz have the most picks out of anyone to finish this decade, but you can never have too much of a good thing. As far as tradable players go, Clarkson and Bogdanovic are the two most desirable players on the Jazz, and Beasley is probably a distant third.

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and Conley is easily better than any of them

[url]https://valleyofthesuns.com/2022/09/11/phoenix-suns-jazz-picks/[/url]

[QUOTE]Bogdanovic has been linked most with Phoenix in recent weeks, with the Croatian currently playing with Suns big man Dario Saric at Eurobasket. He’s certainly worth a first-rounder, however it may be lottery, or at least top 10 protected.

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Saric is probably one of the pieces coming to the Jazz

[QUOTE]Clarkson will probably accrue a first-round pick as well, though that isn’t a guarantee. If Utah want a first for Beasley, then they may be best waiting until close to the trade deadline mid-season. It’s hard to envisage a team being desperate enough right now, but that may change as the season develops.

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not sure how desperate you have to be to want to improve your team. Gambling on the bum Clarkson is desperate. Jazz know!

[QUOTE]Still, it’s unlikely they’d necessarily give up two first-round picks for a combination of the above players. Rather, perhaps they’d heavily lower the protections, or even rid them all together. Would the Suns give up Jae Crowder, Dario Saric, Torrey Craig and Josh Okogie, along with a fully unprotected future first-round pick, for Bogdanovic and Clarkson?

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don't love the guys they have. Too old! But if that's what you have to do to get rid of Clarkson do it!

[url]https://factoryofsadness.co/2022/09/10/the-utah-jazz-may-have-blown-the-donovan-mitchell-trade-to-the-cleveland-cavaliers/[/url]

[QUOTE]To say the Mitchell trade reminds me of the Jarrett Allen trade would be an understatement. Once again teams get next to nothing for something and[URL="https://factoryofsadness.co/2022/09/08/the-cleveland-cavaliers-can-no-longer-afford-to-trade-cedi-osman/"] the Cavs are far better for it.[/URL]

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3 former lottery picks and 3 unprotected 1sts isn't exactly nothing. Jazz will win this trade big!

[QUOTE]So personally, I don’t think you could go wrong with either package but I do think the Cavs’ offer had a lot more talent in it, while the Knicks offered a better draft package. Some agree with this, some don’t but what can’t be argued is that the Jazz did bungle this trade; because while both t[URL="https://factoryofsadness.co/2022/09/09/what-should-the-cleveland-cavaliers-starting-5-look-like/"]rade packages were fine, neither was truly great.[/URL]

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Getting a comparable player to Mitchell who is 2 years younger and makes 60 million less is great without the rest. Ainge did good. Could have done better early on it sounds like though

[QUOTE]By all accounts, the Knicks screwed themselves out of a trade by playing chicken with the Jazz and the Jazz took a deal that quite honestly, isn’t that good from the Cavs. They’ll likely move Markkanen, and then hope they land a top draft pick in 2023 or 2024, otherwise, they’re really screwed.

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I'm sure Lauri is available along with the rest of the roster. Cavs still have a small backcourt and a guy that doesn't play D or pass masquerading as an all star. Have fun Cleveland! :cheers: