Phil Jackson: Rodman is the greatest athlete I've ever coached

[QUOTE=iamgine]:oldlol: all we need is look at old videos. [/QUOTE]

Oh, is that all? :oldlol:

Funny how no one has [b]ever[/b] mentioned Rodman when discussing the most athletic players in history prior to this comment by Jackson, huh? :oldlol:

I love how you won't define athleticism, by the way. If we're going by what we see with our eyes, Jordan (and Kobe, and Pippen, and Shaq of players PJax has coached) are all worlds more athletic than Rodman.

[QUOTE]Then Jordan sh!ts on Worm in speed/quickness, body control, coordination, leaping, dexterity.[/QUOTE]

Im not sure he was just worlds beyond a prime Rodman in any of those. rodman was known as one of the best athletes in the NBA in his youth. And youth is a relative term. he came into the NBA at 25. He was past a persons usual physical prime before he was even a big minutes player. And even then...he was a beast. he could run with anyone on the break. Even when he was skinny he could hold his own in the post with legit bigmen and still guard Jordan or Drexler types. He could jump too. I doubt he had a 40 inch vertical but he had some springs. He had some of the most amazing blocks ever(like Charles Barkley...two non shot blockers who had fantastic blocks when they did get them).

Rodman peaked popularity wise in his mid to late 30s. He wasnt nearly the athlete he was when he was young by then. Rodman could have been in the 1981 draft. Hes like a month younger than Isiah Thomas. From what I saw of young Dennis I think his early 20s version would be considered a great athlete even today. Somewhere between Josh Smith and Kenyon Martin as an athlete though it wouldnt show since hed do little to display it as they do.

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You really never heard of Rodman being a great athlete? I remember an announcer saying he thought Dennis might be the most gifted player in the NBA in the late 80s. He meant physically. Around the time that everyone spoke on how he ran like a deer.....

[QUOTE=mjbulls23]Rodman didn't have a great basketball IQ? :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

Funny thing is... his basketball IQ made him stand out. That guy must've had clairvoyant abilities as to where rebounds went.

[QUOTE=Loki]Oh, is that all? :oldlol:

Funny how no one has [b]ever[/b] mentioned Rodman when discussing the most athletic players in history prior to this comment by Jackson, huh? :oldlol:

I love how you won't define athleticism, by the way. If we're going by what we see with our eyes, Jordan (and Kobe, and Pippen, and Shaq of players PJax has coached) are all worlds more athletic than Rodman.[/QUOTE]
Who ever discuss that? The best athlete might be MJ but he was not the most athletic. Jordan was great but he wasn't a freak specimen like Rodman. Anyone can do what Jordan did. Jordan was an athletic player with skill, mental and minds above his peers. He might be the most skillful player ever. But no one can rebound like Rodman. Pure athleticism, Rodman wins.

And again, Let me know when you have better credentials than Phil Jackson to speak.

Rebounding is more instinct and desire than athletic ability. By his houston years Barkley was strong but not a top athlete in any other way...still got 13 rebounds a game.

[QUOTE=Heretik32]Funny thing is... his basketball IQ made him stand out. That guy must've had clairvoyant abilities as to where rebounds went.[/QUOTE]
You do know that basketball isn't all about rebounds and his basketball IQ was just average if not below. Not like Pippen, Bird or MJ who had great Bball IQ. While it's true that he had a knack for where rebounds went, he also used his freak athleticism to get the rebounds.

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You really never heard of Rodman being a great athlete? I remember an announcer saying he thought Dennis might be the most gifted player in the NBA in the late 80s. He meant physically. Around the time that everyone spoke on how he ran like a deer.....[/QUOTE]

There's a difference between saying that someone is a great athlete and saying that he's a better overall athlete than 3 of the top 10 athletes who have ever played (MJ/Shaq/Kobe). I believe Rodman is a great athlete, no question. I don't believe he's on their level, however, much less above it.

As for your other points, well, I've seen Jordan outrun Rodman while dribbling on breaks, so I'm not sold that he's as fast as MJ. And even if he was equal in end-to-end speed, what about lateral quickness/acceleration/leaping/body control/overall coordination.

I just don't see it. When you think of the elite athletes in history, you don't think of Dennis Rodman, despite his physical versatility (which never really happened at the same time -- i.e., he generally didn't guard PF/C's and SG/SF's during the same years -- but is impressive nonetheless).

[QUOTE=iamgine]Who ever discuss that? The best athlete might be MJ but he was not the most athletic. Jordan was great but he wasn't a freak specimen like Rodman. Anyone can do what Jordan did. Jordan was an athletic player with skill, mental and minds above his peers. He might be the most skillful player ever. But no one can rebound like Rodman. Pure athleticism, Rodman wins.
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Holy [b]sh!t[/b], dude. :hammerhead: :roll:

[QUOTE=Loki]:oldlol:

Holy [b]sh!t[/b], dude. :hammerhead: :roll:[/QUOTE]
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must be the first time loki is wrong aboout MJ :roll:

[QUOTE=iamgine]lol how does he get all those rebounds? [B]He sure as hell not have a great basketball IQ.[/B] Jordan was very strong for his position, that helps him a lot but a lot of guys are more athletic than him. But you're Jordan hardcore fanatic so I understand.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but I just had to quote this so that I could bask in it's stupidity.

That is by far one of the most ignorant statements I have seen someone post on ISH. Rodman knew the game, he knew what to do on offense and what to do on defense, he knew where to be, what to do and where to go. Rodman's IQ for basketball is matched by very few players.

Yeah, Rodman definitely had a very good basketball IQ. No question there.

[QUOTE=Kebab Stall]I'm sorry, but I just had to quote this so that I could bask in it's stupidity.

That is by far one of the most ignorant statements I have seen someone post on ISH. Rodman knew the game, he knew what to do on offense and what to do on defense, he knew where to be, what to do and where to go. Rodman's IQ for basketball is matched by very few players.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. He also had a nack for that ball, he wanted the rebound more than anybody else, Rodman was a f'n beast!

[QUOTE=Kebab Stall]I'm sorry, but I just had to quote this so that I could bask in it's stupidity.

That is by far one of the most ignorant statements I have seen someone post on ISH. Rodman knew the game, he knew what to do on offense and what to do on defense, he knew where to be, what to do and where to go. Rodman's IQ for basketball is matched by very few players.[/QUOTE]
great bball iq = Bird, MJ, Stockton, Pippen, Nash, many NBA coaches, etc

not Rodman, he had average bball IQ with freaky athleticism and a knack for rebounding. You basically just describe most NBA players.

[QUOTE=iamgine]great bball iq = Bird, MJ, Stockton, Pippen, Nash, many NBA coaches, etc

not Rodman, he had average bball IQ with freaky athleticism and a knack for rebounding. You basically just describe most NBA players.[/QUOTE]
Average basketball IQ, is an understatement if you ask me. Rodman was a genius when it came to playing basketball, he just knew the game. His rebounding was more the desire to go and get the ball over anything else, but to say that his basketball IQ was average.....I just think you're wrong.

[QUOTE=Kebab Stall]Average basketball IQ, is an understatement if you ask me. Rodman was a genius when it came to playing basketball, he just knew the game. His rebounding was more the desire to go and get the ball over anything else, but to say that his basketball IQ was average.....I just think you're wrong.[/QUOTE]

Too bad I got to spread it round before being able to repp you again. That's exactly the formula: Rodman = high bball IQ + reckless desire for rebounds + being able to get into opponents' heads. No other player in the league has ever been able to match that combination.