Gervin " "I could get 30 or 40 every night real easy, these days"

[QUOTE=gencbiba]Never averaged 40 though. Just an old star trying to become relevant again. His spotlight is over.[/QUOTE]
[I]"Don't hate the player, hate the game" [/I]

it can be easy for him to score.. but every night is an overstatement. 40 ppg for a season. Gervin?? dont think so

[quote=Sir Charles][B]George Gervin is one of the Greatest SGs ever by far a better scorer than Kobe could dream of being. This guy played in an era where handchecking existed, was 6`7, could leap, had major wingspan for his frame, could donate fundamentals to players of today and was fast quick like a gassel not to mention that after Jordan, he was probably the most difficult SG to stop when taking driving to the basket or taking a jumpshot frontwords. T

Some clips[/B]

[URL="http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=sU4HLdrWAsc"]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=sU4HLdrWAsc[/URL][/quote]

I would like to see Gervin get those kind of #'s against the zone.

[QUOTE=Godfather]I would like to see Gervin get those kind of #'s against the zone.[/QUOTE]

Yeah man, even since they allowed teams to start using zones and shading no one ever scores over 30 anymore. Sucks.

[QUOTE=Psileas]I agree about the Kobe hyperbole. Kobe, after all, is a player whom "Sir Charles" doesn't like, anyway and it's well-known he's biased against him.

And I had forgotten that he bolds his own messages. Partially because when I quote messages, I never bother to copy the exact same type of the writer's style. If he writes in green, I won't bother to quote his text in green, as well. I didn't use the "bold" thing for sarcasm reasons.[/QUOTE]

[B]Wrong I don`t hate on Bryant I think Bryant is the Best SG in the laste 8-10 years but he doesn`t have the the fundamentals Ice had "Scoring Wise" just "Scoring Wise". Bryant is probably an all around better player and maybe even more skilled in a "1 on 1 off the dribble" (ala Jordan) game but Ice`s front "face jump shots", "foot work to post shoot" and when "finding his way through the lane or onto the basket in general using the backboard or finger rolls" are way superior offensive skills than Bryant`s (in general). Ice was a leaper, quick as hell , great foot work and fundamentals to get his jumpers, off the backboard shots and lay ups off etc, was 6`7 and had wingspan of a typical 6`9er probably...that makes him way more of a threat comming on to the basket reason why he shot at a way superior FG% than Bryant and in a time where handchecking was allowed.[/B]

[QUOTE=plowking]Basketball is the only sport where the previous generation is considered better then the current generation. This is ridiculous first of all. People actually think the game has gone backwards and that players are becoming worse?[/QUOTE]


Can you name any runningback intodays game better than JIm Brown
Can you name 5 better baseplayers in todays game better than Hank Aaron,Mickey Mantle,Willie mays, Babe Ruth, Joe Dmagigo can you name a better boxer today than Ali,Joe Louis can you name a better hockey player today than Wayne G. So I guess basketball isnt the only sport that the old legends are better than todays players.

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Can you name any runningback intodays game better than JIm Brown
Can you name 5 better baseplayers in todays game better than Hank Aaron,Mickey Mantle,Willie mays, Babe Ruth, Joe Dmagigo can you name a better boxer today than Ali,Joe Louis can you name a better hockey player today than Wayne G. So I guess basketball isnt the only sport that the old legends are better than todays players.[/QUOTE]

[B]Exactly to be great in these days doesn`t make you better than before`s players (just because excessive marketing, superior global communications etc) and in basketball it has clearly been show by coaches (who still coach today) and ex players that very few players of today are great compared to the 80s and 90s span of talent in most areas :confusedshrug:

Todays players can mostly be compared skill wise to the 70s span (ofcourse athletically they are more 80s and 90s) and even some 70s players are clearly superior to the ones today: Jabbar for example can only be compared to likes of Hakeem and Shaq.

Shaq is one example of a somewhat modern player whom would be a Top All Time 4-5 Center in any era. Same with Garnett Defensively and All Around Wise (offensive scoring wise he can`t)

Guys like Allen Iverson would not be considered as great if the handchecking rules were kept not to mention the hard way of play of the 80s: no puss fouls. Also all the flashy athletic leaping guys that appeared in the drafts of the 90s ended up having no chance on the 80s draft Legends or Great Role Players: that was clearly shown as these 80s Draft Legends and Roke Players Drafted in that era totally (not half way but totally) dominated the league up un till 2000 (1st team with more 90s drafts that finally won). The fact is very 90s stars achieved the same impact as those 80s draft players and in most cases where totally over shadowed by the Jordan`s, Barkley`s, Hakeem`s, Ewings etc.

Only the rich in fundamentals 90s draft players where not over shadowed such as : Grant Hill, Jason Kidd, Payton, Chris Webber and very few more.

More Examples:

Soccer:

Any Player today has the All Around Fundamental Offensive Skills as Pele? :no: (player of the 50s-60s-70s)
Any Player today has more Impact or is More Modern (80s player) than Rudd Gullit? (whom lasted only 5-6yers before they destroyed his leggs because he was to much of an impact player: think of Kaka but add to that = speed, potence, center forward headering capacity and way more defensive skills: could play Central Back, Full Back etc) :no:
Any Player today has the Technical Efficiency in a Fast Break (counter attack) or Scoring Efficiency than Teofilo Cubillas? :no: (player from the 60s-70s)
Any Player today has the Scoring Fundamentals as Marco Van Basten? :no:
Any Player today has Superior 1 on 1 Offensive Skills per meter than Romario? :no:
Any Defender today has more in General Skills and Soccer IQ than Franz Beckenbauer? :no: (player from the 60s-70s)
Any goal Keeper today has the Goal Keeping IQ as Rinat Dasaev ? (Russia Goal Keeper of the 70s and 80s) :no:
Any goal Keeper today more Agil or Athletic than Thomas Knokono? (Camerun Goal Keeper of the 70s-80s-90s)

Any Boxer toady has a harder jab than Mike Tyson today? :no:

Etc..like those there are many examples [/B]

[QUOTE=Niquesports]Can you name any runningback intodays game better than JIm Brown
Can you name 5 better baseplayers in todays game better than Hank Aaron,Mickey Mantle,Willie mays, Babe Ruth, Joe Dmagigo can you name a better boxer today than Ali,Joe Louis can you name a better hockey player today than Wayne G. So I guess basketball isnt the only sport that the old legends are better than todays players.[/QUOTE]

In 30 years people will be saying the same thing about guys today, the problem is you're judging people that are still playing and havent etched their legacies in stone yet, against guys who already have.


And :roll: Babe Ruth and Joe Dimaggio, I cant take any athlete serious when their were segregated leagues.

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]

Any Boxer toady has a harder jab than Mike Tyson today? :no:

Etc..like those there are many examples [/B][/QUOTE]
:roll:

Yes, plenty of heavyweights with harder jabs than Mike, he barely even used a jab.

[QUOTE=abuC]:roll:

Yes, Mike Tyson barely even used a jab.[/QUOTE]

[B]I ment hit any hit. His hit register is still the strongest till date and he is an 80s and early 90s boxer.

Any Heavyweight more Skilled, Agil or as Quick as Cassius Clay? :no: [/B]

[QUOTE=abuC]:roll:

Yes, Mike Tyson barely even used a jab.[/QUOTE]

[B]I ment hit any hit. His hit register is still the strongest till date and he is an 80s and early 90s boxer.

Any Heavyweight more Skilled, Agil or as Quick as Cassius Clay? :no: [/B]

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]Exactly to be great in these days doesn`t make you better than before`s players (just because excessive marketing, superior global communications etc) and in basketball it has clearly been show by coaches (who still coach today) and ex players that very few players of today are great compared to the 80s and 90s span of talent in most areas :confusedshrug:

Todays players can mostly be compared skill wise to the 70s span (ofcourse athletically they are more 80s and 90s) and even some 70s players are clearly superior to the ones today: Jabbar for example can only be compared to likes of Hakeem and Shaq.

Shaq is one example of a somewhat modern player whom would be a Top All Time 4-5 Center in any era. Same with Garnett Defensively and All Around Wise (offensive scoring wise he can`t)

Guys like Allen Iverson would not be considered as great if the handchecking rules were kept not to mention the hard way of play of the 80s: no puss fouls. Also all the flashy athletic leaping guys that appeared in the drafts of the 90s ended up having no chance on the 80s draft Legends or Great Role Players: that was clearly shown as these 80s Draft Legends and Roke Players Drafted in that era totally (not half way but totally) dominated the league up un till 2000 (1st team with more 90s drafts that finally won). The fact is very 90s stars achieved the same impact as those 80s draft players and in most cases where totally over shadowed by the Jordan`s, Barkley`s, Hakeem`s, Ewings etc.

Only the rich in fundamentals 90s draft players where not over shadowed such as : Grant Hill, Jason Kidd, Payton, Chris Webber and very few more.

More Examples:

Soccer:

Any Player today has the All Around Fundamental Offensive Skills as Pele? :no: (player of the 50s-60s-70s)
Any Player today has more Impact or is More Modern (80s player) than Rudd Gullit? (whom lasted only 5-6yers before they destroyed his leggs because he was to much of an impact player: think of Kaka but add to that = speed, potence, center forward headering capacity and way more defensive skills: could play Central Back, Full Back etc) :no:
Any Player today has the Technical Efficiency in a Fast Break (counter attack) or Scoring Efficiency than Teofilo Cubillas? :no: (player from the 60s-70s)
Any Player today has the Scoring Fundamentals as Marco Van Basten? :no:
Any Player today has Superior 1 on 1 Offensive Skills per meter than Romario? :no:
Any Defender today has more in General Skills and Soccer IQ than Franz Beckenbauer? :no: (player from the 60s-70s)
Any goal Keeper today has the Goal Keeping IQ as Rinat Dasaev ? (Russia Goal Keeper of the 70s and 80s) :no:
Any goal Keeper today more Agil or Athletic than Thomas Knokono? (Camerun Goal Keeper of the 70s-80s-90s)

Any Boxer toady has a harder jab than Mike Tyson today? :no:

Etc..like those there are many examples [/B][/QUOTE]


I think in any sports you will only find about 5 players that can be mentioned in the all time class of there sport per era.I think the 70's is the most underrated era in basketball.

[QUOTE=abuC]:roll:

Yes, plenty of heavyweights with harder jabs than Mike, he barely even used a jab.[/QUOTE]

[B]Sorry i ment hit. Any boxer today has a harder hit than Tyson? Strongest registered hit till today :confusedshrug:

Any Tennis player has More Natural Talent than Mcenroe whom even went against using stiff Racket`s because he said "That Helps Less Talented Players Be Better than They Really Are"[/B]

[QUOTE=Sir Charles][B]I ment hit any hit. His hit register is still the strongest till date and he is an 80s and early 90s boxer.

Any Heavyweight more Skilled, Agil or as Quick as Cassius Clay? :no: [/B][/QUOTE]


Hit register? This isnt Rocky 4, when did anyone calculate Mike's power? Also, George Foreman is probably the hardest puncher in heavyweight history.


Nope, there arent any heavyweights as gifted as Ali, but then again Boxing was second only to baseball then in terms of popularity, now you have a much smaller talent pool to pick from. Most American athletes that fit the body mold of heavyweight boxer are steered towards football or basketball.


Look, I get it, you think everything from 1960-1980 is greater than today, my grandfather is the same way about the 40s and 50s, that doesnt make it true.

[QUOTE=abuC]In 30 years people will be saying the same thing about guys today, the problem is you're judging people that are still playing and havent etched their legacies in stone yet, against guys who already have.


And :roll: Babe Ruth and Joe Dimaggio, I cant take any athlete serious when their were segregated leagues.[/QUOTE]


I can agree with your point but with the exception of say maybe Kobe,LBJ that from what you have seen will be even considered in a all time class I already said Shaq and I dont think at this point in his career Paul is better that players like Tiny,Walt Frazier ect. but the jury is still out on him